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2017-08-18 08:29:52 AM  
I wonder if the well constructed or cheap ones would make more noise when they hit the pavement.
 
2017-08-18 08:46:58 AM  
I'm guessing this is the one that goes too far in the minds of rationale people, and the whole "tear down history" movement will fall apart in finger-pointing and snickering.
 
2017-08-18 09:31:07 AM  
RIP Dr Scott

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/Wait, what?
 
2017-08-18 09:42:03 AM  
JUDGE in the DRED Scott decision.
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"I AM THE LAW!"
 
2017-08-18 12:08:07 PM  

Lucky LaRue: I'm guessing this is the one that goes too far in the minds of rationale people, and the whole "tear down history" movement will fall apart in finger-pointing and snickering.


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2017-08-18 12:11:25 PM  
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2017-08-18 12:18:35 PM  
FTA:

"Taney, a Maryland native, is best known as the chief justice who penned the 1857 Dred Scott decision. It denied citizenship to black slaves and descendants of slaves, that slavery couldn't be banned in new territories of the United States, and that "the enslaved African race were not intended to be included" in the words "all men are created equal" in the Declaration of Independence."

And you wonder why a civil war happened just 4 years later.

Yeah, Taney was a horse's ass and it's high time his stature got removed. Having lived in Frederick, I hope that all the Taney streets will be changed to Obama street.
 
2017-08-18 12:46:48 PM  
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Sorry guys, the Nazi's were snappier dressers.
 
2017-08-18 01:22:12 PM  
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2017-08-18 01:23:10 PM  

Tr0mBoNe: I wonder if the well constructed or cheap ones would make more noise when they hit the pavement.


Only one way to find out... hopefully the experiment has a large enough sample size.
 
2017-08-18 01:25:38 PM  
My turds are part of history but that doesn't mean they belong in museum.  Want history?  Read a farking book.
 
2017-08-18 01:25:59 PM  
I vote that all the removed Confederate and racist monuments be moved to Trump Tower or other Trump properties, since he finds them so beautiful.
 
2017-08-18 01:26:09 PM  

Astorix: FTA:

"Taney, a Maryland native, is best known as the chief justice who penned the 1857 Dred Scott decision. It denied citizenship to black slaves and descendants of slaves, that slavery couldn't be banned in new territories of the United States, and that "the enslaved African race were not intended to be included" in the words "all men are created equal" in the Declaration of Independence."

And you wonder why a civil war happened just 4 years later.

Yeah, Taney was a horse's ass and it's high time his stature got removed. Having lived in Frederick, I hope that all the Taney streets will be changed to Obama street.


I doubt Taneytown will rename itself though. But they may consider letting black motorists use only 3/5 of a lane.
 
2017-08-18 01:26:59 PM  
SMASH SMASH SMASH!!!
 
2017-08-18 01:30:38 PM  

Lucky LaRue: I'm guessing this is the one that goes too far in the minds of rationale people, and the whole "tear down history" movement will fall apart in finger-pointing and snickering.


If your historical education is coming from statues, then you have a whole mess of problems. Namely, being stupid.
 
2017-08-18 01:31:54 PM  
Regardless of the subject of the statue. That was a despicable underhanded way of having it removed without involving the public.
 
2017-08-18 01:32:51 PM  

smunns: Regardless of the subject of the statue. That was a despicable underhanded way of having it removed without involving the public.


I guess if the people didn't want this to happen, they should have voted in different Representatives.
 
2017-08-18 01:33:32 PM  
"I will say, then, that I am not, nor ever have been, in favor of bringing about in any way the social and political equality of the white and black races -- that I am not, nor ever have been, in favor of making voters or jurors of negroes, nor of qualifying them to hold office, nor to intermarry with white people; and I will say in addition to this that there is a physical difference between the white and black races...I, as much as any man, am in favor of having the superior position assigned to the white race."
-Abraham Lincoln


http://teachingamericanhistory.org/library/document/the-lincoln-dougl​a​s-debates-4th-debate-part-i/
 
2017-08-18 01:34:35 PM  

Lucky LaRue: I'm guessing this is the one that goes too far in the minds of rationale people, and the whole "tear down history" movement will fall apart in finger-pointing and snickering.


Please explain yourself.  Provide the guiding principle behind your thoughts.  Your justification.  Your ... rationale.
 
2017-08-18 01:34:40 PM  

thorpe


I doubt Taneytown will rename itself though.


Heh - I wandered in here to make a similar comment.
 
2017-08-18 01:35:37 PM  
Dred Scott!!
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2017-08-18 01:39:02 PM  
I removed all the Scalia statues from my front lawn just this morning.
 
2017-08-18 01:40:04 PM  
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WHEC 37- USCGC Roger B. Taney, now a museum ship in Baltimore inner harbor.  Should she stay or should she go?
 
2017-08-18 01:40:29 PM  

Astorix: FTA:

"Taney, a Maryland native, is best known as the chief justice who penned the 1857 Dred Scott decision. It denied citizenship to black slaves and descendants of slaves, that slavery couldn't be banned in new territories of the United States, and that "the enslaved African race were not intended to be included" in the words "all men are created equal" in the Declaration of Independence."

And you wonder why a civil war happened just 4 years later.

Yeah, Taney was a horse's ass and it's high time his stature got removed. Having lived in Frederick, I hope that all the Taney streets will be changed to Obama street.


Having lived on Taney Ave in Frederick, I concur.
 
2017-08-18 01:42:25 PM  
I saw on Facebook the other day...

"Should we take down [name of statue] next?  Where does it end?"

"Yes.  We should take that statue down.  Take all the statues down.  No one else needs to die over a statue.  Remove all of them."
 
2017-08-18 01:43:10 PM  

fark_it_i'm_outta_here: "I will say, then, that I am not, nor ever have been, in favor of bringing about in any way the social and political equality of the white and black races -- that I am not, nor ever have been, in favor of making voters or jurors of negroes, nor of qualifying them to hold office, nor to intermarry with white people; and I will say in addition to this that there is a physical difference between the white and black races...I, as much as any man, am in favor of having the superior position assigned to the white race."
-Abraham Lincoln

http://teachingamericanhistory.org/library/document/the-lincoln-dougla​s-debates-4th-debate-part-i/


And then the whole emancipation proclamation happened so... Cool story bro.
 
2017-08-18 01:43:37 PM  

Astorix: Having lived in Frederick, I hope that all the Taney streets will be changed to Obama street.


Good thing you didn't live in Taneytown.
 
2017-08-18 01:44:24 PM  

TommyDeuce: RIP Dr Scott

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/Wait, what?


Janet!
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2017-08-18 01:45:32 PM  

Mad Scientist: [img.fark.net image 850x637]WHEC 37- USCGC Roger B. Taney, now a museum ship in Baltimore inner harbor.  Should she stay or should she go?


Now that's a dilemma. If she goes there will be trouble. But if she stays it will be double. So, I've got to let you know: she should go.
 
2017-08-18 01:45:39 PM  
Only people ignorant of history support this.  The Dred-Scott decision was actually a step towards ending slavery.

But hey, let ignorance rule the day.  I say let's take down the Washington Monument.  Washington owned slaves!  http://chicago.cbslocal.com/2017/08/16/jackson-washington-park-prote​st​-presidents-slave-owners/

I agree with taking down memorials to a nation that waged war on the US.  We don't have memorials remembering the Japanese who gave their lives to bomb Pearl Harbor.  But where we're heading now with calls to take down depictions of George Washington and others is nothing more than ignorance and stupidity. But we are talking about progressives, aren't we?
 
2017-08-18 01:50:47 PM  

probesport: TommyDeuce: RIP Dr Scott

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/Wait, what?

Janet!
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Rocky!

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2017-08-18 01:51:08 PM  

thorpe: Astorix: FTA:

"Taney, a Maryland native, is best known as the chief justice who penned the 1857 Dred Scott decision. It denied citizenship to black slaves and descendants of slaves, that slavery couldn't be banned in new territories of the United States, and that "the enslaved African race were not intended to be included" in the words "all men are created equal" in the Declaration of Independence."

And you wonder why a civil war happened just 4 years later.

Yeah, Taney was a horse's ass and it's high time his stature got removed. Having lived in Frederick, I hope that all the Taney streets will be changed to Obama street.

I doubt Taneytown will rename itself though. But they may consider letting black motorists use only 3/5 of a lane.


Taneytown is not named after him; it was there before he was born.
 
2017-08-18 01:53:11 PM  

TommyDeuce: [img.fark.net image 425x275]

Sorry guys, the Nazi's were snappier dressers.


To me they look like demented, space alien teletubbies.
 
2017-08-18 01:56:47 PM  

smunns: Regardless of the subject of the statue. That was a despicable underhanded way of having it removed without involving the public.


Yeah. Public input on the removal of statues has always give will in the past. What exactly are these state "legislators" trying to avoid? Do they think some poor girl will be murdered by white supremacists or something?
 
2017-08-18 01:58:24 PM  

smunns: Regardless of the subject of the statue. That was a despicable underhanded way of having it removed without involving the public.


"We're cool with it." -- The Public
 
2017-08-18 01:59:47 PM  

Astorix: Yeah, Taney was a horse's ass and it's high time his stature got removed. Having lived in Frederick, I hope that all the Taney streets will be changed to Obama street.


You should really wait until someone is dead before naming things in their honor.

Petain was a hero of France after WWI.
After WWII, he was a traitor to the nation.
 
2017-08-18 02:00:33 PM  
Good - getting rid of anything celebrating Taney is well overdue.  His Dred Scott opinion wasn't just an example of a limited opinion restricted to a narrow reading of the laws.  That at least might have been forgiven in hindsight.  Nope - instead he went full on flagrant activist judge and did not limit his opinion to the legal or procedural matters before the court.  Instead he felt it necessary to spend time discussing how the Declaration of Independence 'all men are created equal' line was not meant to cover slaves or even africans at all.  That was totally unnecessary since the Dec. isn't law, so it was only done out of spite.  He also declared the Missouri Compromise, an act of Congress, unconstitutional, even though it wasn't even directly relevant to the case at hand. He further declared that non-slave states had no ability to grant freedom to slaves (again, not entirely relevant to the case, so totally unnecessary to address).  His decision was mostly not necessary to resolve the case before the Court; the obvious reading of it was him taking an opportunity to exceed the authority of the Supreme Court and go on a personal tirade against the idea of africans being equal or worthy of any rights at all, and a total rejection of any challenge to the institution of slavery in the US.  He's a piece of shiat and deserves to be remembered only by the awful words he wrote.
 
2017-08-18 02:00:39 PM  

Sean VasDeferens: Only people ignorant of history support this.  The Dred-Scott decision was actually a step towards ending slavery.


That like saying that a Nazi killed Hitler.
 
2017-08-18 02:00:58 PM  

fark_it_i'm_outta_here: "I will say, then, that I am not, nor ever have been, in favor of bringing about in any way the social and political equality of the white and black races -- that I am not, nor ever have been, in favor of making voters or jurors of negroes, nor of qualifying them to hold office, nor to intermarry with white people; and I will say in addition to this that there is a physical difference between the white and black races...I, as much as any man, am in favor of having the superior position assigned to the white race."
-Abraham Lincoln

http://teachingamericanhistory.org/library/document/the-lincoln-dougla​s-debates-4th-debate-part-i/


Unfortunately, I know you won't read this speech on Lincoln by Douglass, but at least everyone else can know that your post is disingenuous.

http://teachingamericanhistory.org/library/document/oration-in-memory​-​of-abraham-lincoln/
 
2017-08-18 02:02:20 PM  

Super Chronic: Mad Scientist: [img.fark.net image 850x637]WHEC 37- USCGC Roger B. Taney, now a museum ship in Baltimore inner harbor.  Should she stay or should she go?

Now that's a dilemma. If she goes there will be trouble. But if she stays it will be double. So, I've got to let you know: she should go.


She's a Good Ship named after a Bad Man.  (lyric needs work.)
 
2017-08-18 02:04:12 PM  

Mad Scientist: [img.fark.net image 850x637]WHEC 37- USCGC Roger B. Taney, now a museum ship in Baltimore inner harbor.  Should she stay or should she go?


Just scrap off that name, and paint on a new one.
It's a boat, not a portrait.
 
2017-08-18 02:04:18 PM  

Sean VasDeferens: Only people ignorant of history support this.  The Dred-Scott decision was actually a step towards ending slavery.

But hey, let ignorance rule the day.  I say let's take down the Washington Monument.  Washington owned slaves!  http://chicago.cbslocal.com/2017/08/16/jackson-washington-park-protes​t-presidents-slave-owners/

I agree with taking down memorials to a nation that waged war on the US.  We don't have memorials remembering the Japanese who gave their lives to bomb Pearl Harbor.  But where we're heading now with calls to take down depictions of George Washington and others is nothing more than ignorance and stupidity. But we are talking about progressives, aren't we?


Only a step towards ending slavery in that it was such a farking horrible decision that it motivated rational people against what it represented.

You should also question what would have happened if the decision went the other way.  If slaves could become free simply by reaching the North, that would have also eroded the institution of slavery and caused interstate tensions resulting in civil war.  The path would have been somewhat different, but probably ending in the same place along a similar timeline.

Dred Scott was an inhuman decision authored by a horrible person.  The fact that it was part of a chain of events leading to eventual emancipation does not redeem either Taney or his work, and he certainly does not deserve to be honored.
 
2017-08-18 02:05:49 PM  

Mad Scientist: [img.fark.net image 850x637]WHEC 37- USCGC Roger B. Taney, now a museum ship in Baltimore inner harbor.  Should she stay or should she go?


Just slap a plaque on it stating the ship was named after a pro-slavery ahole.
 
2017-08-18 02:07:40 PM  

Shakin_Haitian: fark_it_i'm_outta_here: "I will say, then, that I am not, nor ever have been, in favor of bringing about in any way the social and political equality of the white and black races -- that I am not, nor ever have been, in favor of making voters or jurors of negroes, nor of qualifying them to hold office, nor to intermarry with white people; and I will say in addition to this that there is a physical difference between the white and black races...I, as much as any man, am in favor of having the superior position assigned to the white race."
-Abraham Lincoln

http://teachingamericanhistory.org/library/document/the-lincoln-dougla​s-debates-4th-debate-part-i/

And then the whole emancipation proclamation happened so... Cool story bro.


It doesn't change the fact that he was a racist and thought white people were a superior race.
 
2017-08-18 02:09:36 PM  
Serious question--At what point does this stop?

Monuments to the following should stay or be razed due to slavery or outdated racial beliefs that dont fit with current sensibilities?

George Washington
Thomas Jefferson
All founding fathers?
Lincoln
Teddy Roosevelt
FDR
Eisenhower
Grant
Andrew Jackson
Robert Byrd
Ronald Reagan
Mohammed
Moses
 
2017-08-18 02:11:18 PM  

fark_it_i'm_outta_here: It doesn't change the fact that he was a racist and thought white people were a superior race.


Thoughts are one thing, systematically imposing your will on others, and starting a war to that effect, is another.

Lincoln might have been the ghost-writer of Mein Kampf for all I care, we honor people for their actions, not their thoughts, and Lincoln's actions are absolutely worthy of praise.
 
2017-08-18 02:15:38 PM  

CivicMindedFive: Serious question--At what point does this stop?


It stops when the nazis stop trying to murder others for having a different opinion.

If you really think that keeping a statue to a traitor is worth murdering all who want it removed, perhaps you should reexamine your priorities.
 
2017-08-18 02:15:52 PM  

CivicMindedFive: Serious question--At what point does this stop?

Monuments to the following should stay or be razed due to slavery or outdated racial beliefs that dont fit with current sensibilities?

George Washington

Not a Traitor to the US
Thomas Jefferson Not a Traitor to the US
All founding fathers? Not a Traitor to the US
Lincoln Not a Traitor to the US
Teddy Roosevelt Not a Traitor to the US
FDR Not a Traitor to the US
Eisenhower Not a Traitor to the US
Grant Not a Traitor to the US
Andrew Jackson Not a Traitor to the US, but an asshole.
Robert Byrd Not a Traitor to the US, repentant asshole.
Ronald Reagan Not a Traitor to the US
Mohammed Religious figures shouldn't get monuments on the public dime.
Moses Religious figures shouldn't get monuments on the public dime.
 
2017-08-18 02:16:03 PM  
I'm entirely sure that the people who want to remove monuments will go too far.....but this is not one of those cases. Only an asshole would think that this is one of those cases.
 
2017-08-18 02:17:08 PM  
What does it cost to pay a government employee overtime, and rent a crane?
 
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