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(CNN)   The GOP is now openly, on the record, questioning Trump's competence. Pence suddenly returned from South America. Everyone's headed to Camp David tomorrow, supposedly to discuss Best Korea. Is it 25th Amendment time, folks?   ( cnn.com) divider line
    More: PSA, President of the United States, Corker, Sen. Bob Corker, Thomas Jefferson, President Donald Trump, racially motivated protests, Tennessee, Bill Clinton  
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ZAZ [TotalFark]
2017-08-17 05:06:21 PM  
No.
 
2017-08-17 05:11:34 PM  
No.  But I have the feeling that he will be pushed into resigning.
 
2017-08-17 05:14:23 PM  
Yes. The GOP is absolutely f*cking terrified right now.
 
2017-08-17 05:15:40 PM  

2xhelix: No.  But I have the feeling that he will be pushed into resigning.


I mean, how do you even do that?  They have pressure points on him, but no real leverage.
 
2017-08-17 05:17:08 PM  

2xhelix: No.  But I have the feeling that he will be pushed into resigning.


On the one hand: It's plausible.  They have an agenda they need to push through and Trump isn't helping matters.

OTOH: It's Trump.  In his mind, he doesn't want the public narrative to implicate he "quit".   He'd have no control over that and that's what he craves more than money.
 
2017-08-17 05:17:50 PM  

Angry Drunk Bureaucrat: 2xhelix: No.  But I have the feeling that he will be pushed into resigning.

I mean, how do you even do that?  They have pressure points on him, but no real leverage.


Not to mention: you don't think the Trumpheads would turn on the GOP in a heartbeat if he was pushed into resigning?
 
2017-08-17 05:19:54 PM  

Rwa2play: Angry Drunk Bureaucrat: 2xhelix: No.  But I have the feeling that he will be pushed into resigning.

I mean, how do you even do that?  They have pressure points on him, but no real leverage.

Not to mention: you don't think the Trumpheads would turn on the GOP in a heartbeat if he was pushed into resigning?


I'm sure the calculus some of them are doing is whether they want to risk losing in the primaries or in the general.
 
2017-08-17 05:25:23 PM  

Angry Drunk Bureaucrat: 2xhelix: No.  But I have the feeling that he will be pushed into resigning.

I mean, how do you even do that?  They have pressure points on him, but no real leverage.


They tell him that he has lost their support and not a single bill will go to his desk. That's what they told Nixon.

But... I have a hard time thinking Trump would leave like that. They are going to have to threaten him with something big. Something that will put one of his kids in jail or cost him most of his assets.

It's a hope, but I really think they see him as the biggest threat to their party right now
 
2017-08-17 05:26:23 PM  
Corker on Thursday declined to detail what he meant by "radical changes" and said he did not want to discuss specific officials in the White House."There just needs to be a different approach," he said.But he took aim at Trump for his Tuesday comments that played to the extremist wing of his political base and sparked condemnation from Republican lawmakers as well as business leaders and others.No. Trump's comments on Tuesday played to white supremacists, white nationalists, fascists, and neo-Nazis. Trump deliberately appealed to the folks who praised him on white power web sites. He appealed to David Duke, and Richard Spencer, and the folks who decided that murder was A-OK when it came to counter-protestors.Even using an euphemism at this point is disingenuous. He wasn't playing to "the extremist wing of his political base." He was playing to his political base, which includes white supremacists, white nationalists, fascists, and neo-Nazis. He did so deliberately, almost immediately after reluctantly reading a written statement that condemned those same supporters, because he didn't want to risk losing those supporters.Trump is the Nazi Sympathizer President. Any attempt to softpedal this should be met with blunt, direct, and open language.
 
2017-08-17 05:27:02 PM  
I thought there was half a chance this morning, but then Barcelona happened. Now it could break in one of two ways:
1. OMG Muslims again; he's right about them and that outweighs everything else.
2. Look how quick he is to call out terrorism when it's Muslims somewhere far away, the hypocrite!

So I dunno.
 
2017-08-17 05:27:10 PM  
...damn it, Fark. Seriously - reposting, with formatting:

Corker on Thursday declined to detail what he meant by "radical changes" and said he did not want to discuss specific officials in the White House.

"There just needs to be a different approach," he said.But he took aim at Trump for his Tuesday comments that played to the extremist wing of his political base and sparked condemnation from Republican lawmakers as well as business leaders and others.


No.

Trump's comments on Tuesday played to white supremacists, white nationalists, fascists, and neo-Nazis. Trump deliberately appealed to the folks who praised him on white power web sites. He appealed to David Duke, and Richard Spencer, and the folks who decided that murder was A-OK when it came to counter-protestors.

Even using an euphemism at this point is disingenuous. He wasn't playing to "the extremist wing of his political base." He was playing to his political base, which includes white supremacists, white nationalists, fascists, and neo-Nazis. He did so deliberately, almost immediately after reluctantly reading a written statement that condemned those same supporters, because he didn't want to risk losing those supporters.

Trump is the Nazi Sympathizer President. Any attempt to softpedal this should be met with blunt, direct, and open language.
 
2017-08-17 05:28:36 PM  

Angry Drunk Bureaucrat: Rwa2play: Angry Drunk Bureaucrat: 2xhelix: No.  But I have the feeling that he will be pushed into resigning.

I mean, how do you even do that?  They have pressure points on him, but no real leverage.

Not to mention: you don't think the Trumpheads would turn on the GOP in a heartbeat if he was pushed into resigning?

I'm sure the calculus some of them are doing is whether they want to risk losing in the primaries or in the general.


Here's a scenario:

TOMORROW:  TRUMP RESIGNS, CITING HEALTH CONCERNS. PENCE TO BE SWORN IN AS PRESIDENT.

Six months from now during an interview on TrumpTV: "Yeah I resigned, but only because the GOP leadership told me so."

/Cue Trumpheads losing their minds and wanting GOP blood.
 
2017-08-17 05:34:11 PM  

Rwa2play: Angry Drunk Bureaucrat: 2xhelix: No.  But I have the feeling that he will be pushed into resigning.

I mean, how do you even do that?  They have pressure points on him, but no real leverage.

Not to mention: you don't think the Trumpheads would turn on the GOP in a heartbeat if he was pushed into resigning?


Some poll (don't recall whose) said he's losing a good chunk of the Trumpette demo since Charlotteville. Heather Heyer's mom has touched nerves.
 
2017-08-17 05:34:38 PM  

Angry Drunk Bureaucrat: Rwa2play: Angry Drunk Bureaucrat: 2xhelix: No.  But I have the feeling that he will be pushed into resigning.

I mean, how do you even do that?  They have pressure points on him, but no real leverage.

Not to mention: you don't think the Trumpheads would turn on the GOP in a heartbeat if he was pushed into resigning?

I'm sure the calculus some of them are doing is whether they want to risk losing in the primaries or in the general.


If they don't get him out and unf*ck themselves sharpish, they forever become the party of racists and bigots.  And this time, they get to wear that biatch like a shiatty facial tattoo.
 
2017-08-17 05:38:21 PM  

Rwa2play: Here's a scenario:

TOMORROW:  TRUMP RESIGNS, CITING HEALTH CONCERNS. PENCE TO BE SWORN IN AS PRESIDENT.

Six months from now during an interview on TrumpTV: "Yeah I resigned, but only because the GOP leadership told me so."

/Cue Trumpheads losing their minds and wanting GOP blood.


img.fark.net
 
2017-08-17 05:39:35 PM  
I don't see them invoking the 25th Amendment.  Nor do I think pressuring him to resign is likely.  What I anticipate is an intervention, or since Pence seems to be leading it, a "come to Jesus meeting" where the possibility of those two things features prominently.  They will demand that his tweets be reviewed before being released and will present tweets for him to "approve" that focus on tax cuts, repealing Obamacare, and infrastructure.
 
2017-08-17 05:41:20 PM  
He's not resigning. If the Black man he hates so much could do the job for 8 years, then by gum, he can do it for 16.
 
2017-08-17 05:41:30 PM  
I've been saying "this is it...this is what's going to do him in..." for months now. Obviously didn't happen. I'm going to wait until he's waving just before getting on the helicopter and the News crawl at the bottom of the screen reads: Donald Trump Resigns in Disgrace to celebrate.
 
2017-08-17 05:42:50 PM  

stan unusual: I don't see them invoking the 25th Amendment.  Nor do I think pressuring him to resign is likely.  What I anticipate is an intervention, or since Pence seems to be leading it, a "come to Jesus meeting" where the possibility of those two things features prominently.  They will demand that his tweets be reviewed before being released and will present tweets for him to "approve" that focus on tax cuts, repealing Obamacare, and infrastructure.


And if he says "No?"
 
2017-08-17 05:44:56 PM  

Circusdog320: I've been saying "this is it...this is what's going to do him in..." for months now. Obviously didn't happen. I'm going to wait until he's waving just before getting on the helicopter and the News crawl at the bottom of the screen reads: Donald Trump Resigns in Disgrace to celebrate.


If the GOP decides to go to war, Trump is going to find out what it is like to lose everything.

I'm kind of fine with it, but it is going to be absolutely destructive to the country on so many fronts.
 
2017-08-17 05:45:48 PM  
There is no way he resigns without getting promises from the Fed and State governments that he and his family will never be prosecuted for anything.
 
2017-08-17 05:47:30 PM  
Can we just stop with the 25th Amendment crap, please?  Just.  Stop.

I don't understand why that fantasy keeps being repeated so much.

The 25th requires more than straight-up impeachment does.  You have to have the Cabinet, the VP AND 2/3rds of BOTH Houses of Congress agree to remove him.

Impeachment requires 50% plus one vote in the House to indict and 2/3rd of Senators to convict.  Period.

If you have NO sponsors to impeach him, why would you get the Cabinet to go along?

Donnie Two Scoops can't fire the VP.  But he can fire all the other ones.  So if they pulled this stunt, he sends his letter to Congress, they don't vote to remove him.  Four days later, he resumes the presidential power and fires the cabinet and goes on.

Is there some idiot on this site who genuinely thinks Ben Carson or Rick Perry or Jeff Sessions or Steve Munchkin-Man have the moral courage to go out in a futile blaze of glory that way?  And why?
 
2017-08-17 05:47:39 PM  

2xhelix: No.  But I have the feeling that he will be pushed into resigning.


If he resigns he is a private citizen who can be criminally prosecuted like anyone else. As long as he is president, he is effectively immune from prosecution as long as the republican controlled congress protects him.

He's not resigning. He can't resign.
 
2017-08-17 05:50:10 PM  

Angry Drunk Bureaucrat: stan unusual: I don't see them invoking the 25th Amendment.  Nor do I think pressuring him to resign is likely.  What I anticipate is an intervention, or since Pence seems to be leading it, a "come to Jesus meeting" where the possibility of those two things features prominently.  They will demand that his tweets be reviewed before being released and will present tweets for him to "approve" that focus on tax cuts, repealing Obamacare, and infrastructure.

And if he says "No?"


If he says No, nothing. The thing with the 25th is that it's easy for Trump. All Trump has to do is say "actually, I'm perfectly capable of holding the Office". And he gets to go back to being President.

At that point it can be contested but it will take a super-majority of both Houses of Congress to side with Pence.
 
2017-08-17 05:51:15 PM  

stan unusual: I don't see them invoking the 25th Amendment.  Nor do I think pressuring him to resign is likely.  What I anticipate is an intervention, or since Pence seems to be leading it, a "come to Jesus meeting" where the possibility of those two things features prominently.  They will demand that his tweets be reviewed before being released and will present tweets for him to "approve" that focus on tax cuts, repealing Obamacare, and infrastructure.


Yep.  It's MAYBE an Intervention.  Although when he yells at them all to STFU and don't talk back, they will all STFU and then the whimpering will begin.

The entire act of rebellion by people within his administration would be to quietly tender a resignation so that they can spend more time with their family, mistresses and slush funds.  Oh and their lawyers.  A lot of spare time with lawyers in their futures.
 
2017-08-17 05:55:04 PM  
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2017-08-17 05:57:33 PM  

wejash: The 25th requires more than straight-up impeachment does. You have to have the Cabinet, the VP AND 2/3rds of BOTH Houses of Congress agree to remove him.


No, it doesn't. The initial vote only needs the VP and a simple majority of the Cabinet. Congress only gets involved if the President thereafter delivers a declaration that no inability exists.
 
2017-08-17 06:00:05 PM  

kronicfeld: wejash: The 25th requires more than straight-up impeachment does. You have to have the Cabinet, the VP AND 2/3rds of BOTH Houses of Congress agree to remove him.

No, it doesn't. The initial vote only needs the VP and a simple majority of the Cabinet. Congress only gets involved if the President thereafter delivers a declaration that no inability exists.


If he isn't going to fight it, why not resign and at least have the reason for your leaving be on your terms, not that you were pushed out and were too chicken to fight it.
 
2017-08-17 06:00:52 PM  

gilgigamesh: 2xhelix: No.  But I have the feeling that he will be pushed into resigning.

If he resigns he is a private citizen who can be criminally prosecuted like anyone else. As long as he is president, he is effectively immune from prosecution as long as the republican controlled congress protects him.

He's not resigning. He can't resign.


There's no reason they can't offer him a Nixon full-pardon package. At this point in Watergate, the GOP would've given Nixon anything to get him to step down. Trump is infinitely more toxic, and Pence would have 3-1/2 years to remind everyone how awful he was.
 
2017-08-17 06:01:12 PM  
He is sticking with the David Duke wing of the Republican Party. That is his base. He has made clear that he considers anti-nazis and neo-nazis equivalent. And he has publicly stated his belief that the Confederacy was glorious not treasonous.
 
2017-08-17 06:03:02 PM  

kronicfeld: wejash: The 25th requires more than straight-up impeachment does. You have to have the Cabinet, the VP AND 2/3rds of BOTH Houses of Congress agree to remove him.

No, it doesn't. The initial vote only needs the VP and a simple majority of the Cabinet. Congress only gets involved if the President thereafter delivers a declaration that no inability exists.


Also, Congress could get around the cabinet requirement by passing a law to change it to some other "governing body".

His larger point is correct though. As it stands republican congressional leadership won't go farther than muttering "Nazis bad". They are too chickenshiat to even call Trump out by name let alone remove him from office.
 
2017-08-17 06:06:16 PM  

FormlessOne: ...damn it, Fark. Seriously - reposting, with formatting:

Corker on Thursday declined to detail what he meant by "radical changes" and said he did not want to discuss specific officials in the White House.

"There just needs to be a different approach," he said.But he took aim at Trump for his Tuesday comments that played to the extremist wing of his political base and sparked condemnation from Republican lawmakers as well as business leaders and others.

No.

Trump's comments on Tuesday played to white supremacists, white nationalists, fascists, and neo-Nazis. Trump deliberately appealed to the folks who praised him on white power web sites. He appealed to David Duke, and Richard Spencer, and the folks who decided that murder was A-OK when it came to counter-protestors.

Even using an euphemism at this point is disingenuous. He wasn't playing to "the extremist wing of his political base." He was playing to his political base, which includes white supremacists, white nationalists, fascists, and neo-Nazis. He did so deliberately, almost immediately after reluctantly reading a written statement that condemned those same supporters, because he didn't want to risk losing those supporters.

Trump is the Nazi Sympathizer President. Any attempt to softpedal this should be met with blunt, direct, and open language.


Even Prescott Bush's son rejected nazi sympathizing. We think. CIA man good at keeping secrets.
 
2017-08-17 06:12:08 PM  

Angry Drunk Bureaucrat: I mean, how do you even do that? They have pressure points on him, but no real leverage.


Before you say anything Mr President, we want you to sit here while Mike plays this video the CIA acquired of you in a Russian hotel room with some tinkling ladies.  Then we want you to look at these spreadsheets of your money laundering that the FBI has put together.
 
2017-08-17 06:12:57 PM  

fluffy_pope: There's no reason they can't offer him a Nixon full-pardon package. At this point in Watergate, the GOP would've given Nixon anything to get him to step down. Trump is infinitely more toxic, and Pence would have 3-1/2 years to remind everyone how awful he was.


You know what? I wouldn't even want that to happen. It isn't like Trump is acting any differently than when he was on the campaign trail. The only difference is he is the president now and has the power to make his inner demons manifest on all of us.

But that is what we collectively voted for. No, if I had my druthers I'd say no to the cavalry riding in to save us from ourselves. Certainly no to letting Trump skate away consequence-free from his misdeeds just as he has done his whole life.

Let this farce play out to its grim conclusion. We voted for it. We deserve it. We need it to learn that actions have consequences.

More importantly, we need it to purge, and effect some fundamental changes to our constitutional structure that are basically manifesting themselves as malignant cancer. If we just wipe our hands of Trump and move on like nothing happened, nothing will change.
 
2017-08-17 06:14:08 PM  
Is it time to invoke the 25th Amendment? Certainly.  Will it actually happen? No, not a chance in hell.
 
2017-08-17 06:16:44 PM  
If were are still here next year, and Trump is still President...
 
2017-08-17 06:21:31 PM  

2xhelix: Angry Drunk Bureaucrat: I mean, how do you even do that? They have pressure points on him, but no real leverage.

Before you say anything Mr President, we want you to sit here while Mike plays this video the CIA acquired of you in a Russian hotel room with some tinkling ladies.  Then we want you to look at these spreadsheets of your money laundering that the FBI has put together.


If they want to enact Project Pence, I think that's probably their only play.

The problem is, he might just say... Bring it on.
 
2017-08-17 06:24:51 PM  

gilgigamesh: fluffy_pope: There's no reason they can't offer him a Nixon full-pardon package. At this point in Watergate, the GOP would've given Nixon anything to get him to step down. Trump is infinitely more toxic, and Pence would have 3-1/2 years to remind everyone how awful he was.

You know what? I wouldn't even want that to happen. It isn't like Trump is acting any differently than when he was on the campaign trail. The only difference is he is the president now and has the power to make his inner demons manifest on all of us.
But that is what we collectively voted for. No, if I had my druthers I'd say no to the cavalry riding in to save us from ourselves. Certainly no to letting Trump skate away consequence-free from his misdeeds just as he has done his whole life.
Let this farce play out to its grim conclusion. We voted for it. We deserve it. We need it to learn that actions have consequences.
More importantly, we need it to purge, and effect some fundamental changes to our constitutional structure that are basically manifesting themselves as malignant cancer. If we just wipe our hands of Trump and move on like nothing happened, nothing will change.


I'm tempted to agree, but we're on an Internet clock nowadays and need some kind of functioning government ASAP. Even the GOP accepts that he can't stay where he is. Let them pretend to govern till the midterms, and then whittle away at them.
 
2017-08-17 06:24:55 PM  

kronicfeld: wejash: The 25th requires more than straight-up impeachment does. You have to have the Cabinet, the VP AND 2/3rds of BOTH Houses of Congress agree to remove him.

No, it doesn't. The initial vote only needs the VP and a simple majority of the Cabinet. Congress only gets involved if the President thereafter delivers a declaration that no inability exists.


That's quiant.

You're posing a hypothetical of Trump accepting being fired.

And then slinking back home to Trump Tower in disgrace.

Donald Trump.

You have heard of him, right?

The guy with the gold fetish and an ego the size of Montana?  Him?

Really?  Him?

Stop it.  You're not that guy.
 
2017-08-17 06:27:54 PM  

wejash: kronicfeld: wejash: The 25th requires more than straight-up impeachment does. You have to have the Cabinet, the VP AND 2/3rds of BOTH Houses of Congress agree to remove him.

No, it doesn't. The initial vote only needs the VP and a simple majority of the Cabinet. Congress only gets involved if the President thereafter delivers a declaration that no inability exists.

That's quiant.

You're posing a hypothetical of Trump accepting being fired.

And then slinking back home to Trump Tower in disgrace.

Donald Trump.

You have heard of him, right?

The guy with the gold fetish and an ego the size of Montana?  Him?

Really?  Him?

Stop it.  You're not that guy.


The GOP, even after all this, they have no idea just what an unhinged lunatic he is.
 
2017-08-17 06:28:00 PM  
Hope is never a strategy.
 
2017-08-17 06:32:14 PM  

FlashHarry: Hope is never a strategy.


No, she's the new WH Communications Director. A great white Hope, if you will.
 
2017-08-17 06:32:45 PM  

FlashHarry: Hope is never a strategy.


Of course not. She's a communications director.
 
2017-08-17 06:33:48 PM  
damn you to heck, NewportBarAnticipatoryPlagiarist.
 
2017-08-17 06:34:30 PM  

fluffy_pope: damn you to heck, NewportBarAnticipatoryPlagiarist.


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:)
 
2017-08-17 06:39:37 PM  

NewportBarGuy: fluffy_pope: damn you to heck, NewportBarAnticipatoryPlagiarist.

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Soon...
 
2017-08-17 06:40:01 PM  

NewportBarGuy: Angry Drunk Bureaucrat: 2xhelix: No.  But I have the feeling that he will be pushed into resigning.

I mean, how do you even do that?  They have pressure points on him, but no real leverage.


They tell him that he has lost their support and not a single bill will go to his desk. That's what they told Nixon.


Does Trump even care?   He is there for the adulation of his "base" and the appearance of power and prestige that the office of POTUS affords him.   If he never got another bill come across his desk, I think he'd be elated.
 
2017-08-17 06:43:02 PM  

NewportBarGuy: FlashHarry: Hope is never a strategy.

No, she's the new WH Communications Director. A great white Hope, if you will.


fluffy_pope: FlashHarry: Hope is never a strategy.

Of course not. She's a communications director.


Get married you two. Or have a bromance. Or at least have another meetings of the minds.
 
2017-08-17 06:47:15 PM  

Kevin72: NewportBarGuy: FlashHarry: Hope is never a strategy.

No, she's the new WH Communications Director. A great white Hope, if you will.

fluffy_pope: FlashHarry: Hope is never a strategy.

Of course not. She's a communications director.

Get married you two. Or have a bromance. Or at least have another meetings of the minds.


YOU STAY OUT OF IT.
I dunno if I'm a Guelph or Ghibelline in this scenario...
 
2017-08-17 06:47:49 PM  

Angry Drunk Bureaucrat: stan unusual: I don't see them invoking the 25th Amendment.  Nor do I think pressuring him to resign is likely.  What I anticipate is an intervention, or since Pence seems to be leading it, a "come to Jesus meeting" where the possibility of those two things features prominently.  They will demand that his tweets be reviewed before being released and will present tweets for him to "approve" that focus on tax cuts, repealing Obamacare, and infrastructure.

And if he says "No?"


They will go back to working on excuses and blaming Democrats until the next crisis or until Mueller starts getting indictments.
 
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