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2017-08-16 03:18:07 PM  
A shame, too. One of my very favorite journalists is John Sepulvado, whose work I got to know when he was covering the Malheur occupation for an Oregon public radio station. He's had some difficulties in his life. I know he doesn't have a college degree, I'm not even sure if he's a high school graduate. But precisely because his background's different than yer typical middle class J-school graduate, he speaks true things that many journalists would miss.

There need to be more like him.
 
2017-08-16 03:20:33 PM  
Not my newsroom.
 
2017-08-16 03:23:33 PM  
Sepulvado talks --

Link to podcast in which he discusses alcoholism, recovery, working as a journalist, etc

Speaking frankly and entertainingly about Ammon Bundy and the rest of the Bundy family:

Oregon Territory SPJ: Covering the Oregon Standoff, Part 2
Youtube Vj8Zdnhqxvg
 
2017-08-16 03:57:39 PM  
As most are owned by a few massive conglomerates, this surprises you?
 
2017-08-16 04:00:51 PM  
In b4 "AS LONG AS THEY HIRE THE BEST PEOPLE FOR THE JOB" stuff that gets trotted out only when suddenly brown people and women.
 
2017-08-16 04:53:57 PM  
"Do as I say, not as I do" is practically the left's motto.

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Pictured above: HuffPo's editorial team (top) and a /pol/ meetup (bottom)
 
2017-08-16 04:54:46 PM  
Where else are newsrooms demanding diversity?
 
2017-08-16 04:57:06 PM  

someonelse: Where else are newsrooms demanding diversity?


Hey, take it easy. Building straw men is hard work.
 
2017-08-16 04:57:17 PM  

Prolific Prole: "Do as I say, not as I do" is practically the left's motto.

[img.fark.net image 850x1036]
Pictured above: HuffPo's editorial team (top) and a /pol/ meetup (bottom)


Huffington Post is such a bastion of integrity that they use the anti-vax, HIV-denying, supplement-shilling Dr Mercola as their health resource.
 
2017-08-16 05:01:02 PM  
Well, then that settles it.
The media cannot possibly trusted, so everything they've recorded or written up 'til now is fake news, and Ben Garrison is Cartoonist of Record.
 
2017-08-16 05:02:49 PM  
Recognizing my house is on fire means i can't tell you your house is on fire

It makes sense if you don't think about it
 
2017-08-16 05:03:56 PM  

Prolific Prole: "Do as I say, not as I do" is practically the left's motto.

[img.fark.net image 850x1036]
Pictured above: HuffPo's editorial team (top) and a /pol/ meetup (bottom)


It looks like 3 of the 14 women in the HuPo photo are clearly non-white, and some others might be Hispanic.  I don't see the hypocrisy.

I also don't see what the two photos have to do with each other.
 
2017-08-16 05:07:30 PM  
So the goal was to equal or exceed racial parity with the general population, but all the comparisons the article uses are a handful of local populations known for being statistical outliers? Am I being retarded and missing the point, or is the article being intentionally disingenuous?
 
2017-08-16 05:12:28 PM  
Newsrooms will take any race of unpaid intern. Its not their fault only recent graduates with trust funds apply.
 
2017-08-16 05:14:46 PM  
when it come to journalistic integrity based on the racial diversity of at least a 4-person masthead of any major newsroom, I think it's prudent to also consider the racial diversity of the North American Curling Association at the same time, that way, the results can be extrapolated.
 
2017-08-16 05:22:23 PM  
My newsroom has two African-Americans on the editorial side, one man and one woman. The man is our sole sports writer, while the woman (technically not even in our newsroom, but she's my bestie so I count her) oversees our online operation. Our sole photog is a Hispanic female. One white male and two white females (including me). We're about to add a third female. Our ad staff is almost completely female, all white.

When I started here, we had about 300 employees. It's been mostly "consolidations" and layoffs. Some ran when better opportunities opened. Family kept me here, but that's not the case anymore. I am the oldest staffer on the editorial side, so I'm sure I'll get the ax next. That's been the pattern (not that anyone has proven it in court despite attempts).
 
2017-08-16 05:31:58 PM  

Prolific Prole: "Do as I say, not as I do" is practically the left's motto.

[img.fark.net image 850x1036]
Pictured above: HuffPo's editorial team (top) and a /pol/ meetup (bottom)


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2017-08-16 05:34:54 PM  

Ocean_Pimp: Recognizing my house is on fire means i can't tell you your house is on fire

It makes sense if you don't think about it


What if I told you, that your house isn't actually on fire and the folks saying that is, are trying to get you to abandon the property to then so they can benefit?
 
2017-08-16 05:36:11 PM  
Can the right answer a single criticism without having to say "YEAH WELL WHAT ABOUT WHAT THOSE PEOPLE DO HUH???"

Like, can they?  Is it possible?
 
2017-08-16 05:39:35 PM  
Subby wants peopke of color to have more influence in America because he fears they don't have enough?
 
2017-08-16 05:44:46 PM  

Prolific Prole: "Do as I say, not as I do" is practically the left's motto.

[img.fark.net image 850x1036]
Pictured above: HuffPo's editorial team (top) and a /pol/ meetup (bottom)


7 smarts so this the thread where all the conservatives are hanging out
 
2017-08-16 05:53:23 PM  

spongeboob: Subby wants peopke of color to have more influence in America because he fears they don't have enough?


Honest question -- do you believe white people don't have enough power and influence in America?
 
2017-08-16 06:02:03 PM  
I would chalk that up less to any agenda or lack thereof and more to the massive shrinkage of the modern newsroom.

I can also tell you from my college days in the 90s that I could count on two fingers the number of minority students I met in the journalism program. Keep in mind this was at University of South Carolina, so we ain't talking about some lily-white area of the country. One was a philipino male who tought me how to do page design. The other was a black female who really wanted to be in the program, but the last I saw of her she was heading for a washout because she couldn't pass copyediting. Her English writing skills were simply not going to get her through the program as it was then. I tried to help her best I could, but my guess is she moved on to something else.
 
2017-08-16 06:03:14 PM  
About 30% of college graduates in The U.S. are minorities.
About 95% of jobs in a newsroom require a college degree.
About 30% of jobs in news are held by minorities.

What's the problem here? I don't get it.
 
2017-08-16 06:03:31 PM  
BUT WHAT ABOUT BUT WHAT ABOUT BUT WHAT ABOUT BUT WHAT ABOUT BUT WHAT ABOUT BUT WHAT ABOUT BUT WHAT ABOUT BUT WHAT ABOUT BUT WHAT ABOUT BUT WHAT ABOUT
 
2017-08-16 06:11:12 PM  
Dear left thanks for the support but we aren't two years old  I don't need or want you to hold my hand. Thank you.


Dear right, we will never agree so let's agree not to you stay out of my way and I'll stay out of yours.

Signed us
 
2017-08-16 06:12:03 PM  

phaseolus: spongeboob: Subby wants peopke of color to have more influence in America because he fears they don't have enough?

Honest question -- do you believe white people don't have enough power and influence in America?


No


my boobies was that I think subby is some conservative who only cares about diversity when it comes to stigginity
 
2017-08-16 06:51:22 PM  
The article seemed to misrepresent the goal and then proved itself full of shiat with its own numbers.

The stated goal "In 1978, the American Society of News Editors (ASNE) made a pledge to achieve parity with the percentage of people of color in the general population by the year 2000" since pushed back to 2025.

The data points provided: Washington Post - 31 percent; New York Times - 22 percent; LA Times - 34 percent.  That's 2/3 right about on target, with the NYT running behind.  The overall US demographics are 64% white / 36% other (or 72% white / 28 % other if you look at RACE rather than cultural identity, as "hispanic" can be counted as a minority by cultural origin but if you just look at race, then many hispanics could be counted as white by color or black by color).  Still a HELLUVALOT closer than Congress or major corporate board rooms or executive suites.
 
2017-08-16 07:00:53 PM  

bayoukitty: My newsroom has two African-Americans on the editorial side, one man and one woman. The man is our sole sports writer, while the woman (technically not even in our newsroom, but she's my bestie so I count her) oversees our online operation. Our sole photog is a Hispanic female. One white male and two white females (including me). We're about to add a third female. Our ad staff is almost completely female, all white.

When I started here, we had about 300 employees. It's been mostly "consolidations" and layoffs. Some ran when better opportunities opened. Family kept me here, but that's not the case anymore. I am the oldest staffer on the editorial side, so I'm sure I'll get the ax next. That's been the pattern (not that anyone has proven it in court despite attempts).


Age discrimination is illegal. Salary discrimination is not. If you get the boot because you earn more..... then again.. if you decide to sue you might want to use a pay as a proxy for age tact.
 
2017-08-16 07:01:42 PM  
So I guess the implication is that there is systemic bias in the news idustry like there is systemic bias everywhere else. If thats true, then Id say its hypocritical for these news outlets to chastise any other for not having enough diversity. If thats true, of course
 
2017-08-16 07:21:13 PM  

Krieghund: Prolific Prole: "Do as I say, not as I do" is practically the left's motto.

[img.fark.net image 850x1036]
Pictured above: HuffPo's editorial team (top) and a /pol/ meetup (bottom)

It looks like 3 of the 14 women in the HuPo photo are clearly non-white, and some others might be Hispanic.  I don't see the hypocrisy.

I also don't see what the two photos have to do with each other.


I don't remember the complete story behind the top picture but I think some senior editor tweeted that image like "what do you notice?" expecting a bunch of positive feedback and pretty much got skewered and grilled by Black Twitter (TM). MRAs were giddy for a week.

If HuffPo is based in NYC, that's a super white workplace -- Oi! concerts around here are more racially diverse than that table.
 
2017-08-16 07:35:03 PM  

RINO: So the goal was to equal or exceed racial parity with the general population, but all the comparisons the article uses are a handful of local populations known for being statistical outliers? Am I being retarded and missing the point, or is the article being intentionally disingenuous?


No, this hiring quota shiat is stupid. That's all.
 
2017-08-16 07:37:42 PM  

IHadMeAVision: Krieghund: Prolific Prole: "Do as I say, not as I do" is practically the left's motto.

[img.fark.net image 850x1036]
Pictured above: HuffPo's editorial team (top) and a /pol/ meetup (bottom)

It looks like 3 of the 14 women in the HuPo photo are clearly non-white, and some others might be Hispanic.  I don't see the hypocrisy.

I also don't see what the two photos have to do with each other.

I don't remember the complete story behind the top picture but I think some senior editor tweeted that image like "what do you notice?" expecting a bunch of positive feedback and pretty much got skewered and grilled by Black Twitter (TM). MRAs were giddy for a week.

If HuffPo is based in NYC, that's a super white workplace -- Oi! concerts around here are more racially diverse than that table.


Who farking cares? If no black dudes are applying for the jobs at HuffdPo, or no Asian lesbians with peg legs and a lazy eye, HuffPo doesn't need to go out of their way to farking find some. If people are applying for these jobs, and losing them to less qualified white people, that's one thing, but otherwise, this whole argument is as stupid now as it was 20 years ago. It was relevant back in the 50s, 60s and 70s, but now it should only be an issue if someone shows that qualified people are actually getting sidelined.
 
2017-08-16 08:00:24 PM  
Point proven, but probably not the one you were going for.
 
2017-08-16 08:01:40 PM  
or on air...
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2017-08-16 08:49:01 PM  
YOUR BLOG SUCKS.
 
2017-08-16 08:55:29 PM  

Mikey1969: I don't remember the complete story behind the top picture but I think some senior editor tweeted that image like "what do you notice?" expecting a bunch of positive feedback and pretty much got skewered and grilled by Black Twitter (TM). MRAs were giddy for a week.

If HuffPo is based in NYC, that's a super white workplace -- Oi! concerts around here are more racially diverse than that table.

Who farking cares? If no black dudes are applying for the jobs at HuffdPo, or no Asian lesbians with peg legs and a lazy eye, HuffPo doesn't need to go out of their way to farking find some. If people are applying for these jobs, and losing them to less qualified white people, that's one thing, but otherwise, this whole argument is as stupid now as it was 20 years ago. It was relevant back in the 50s, 60s and 70s, but now it should only be an issue if someone shows that qualified people are actually getting sidelined.


Preaching to the choir.

I just found that bit of internet drama to be particularly delicious, because it IS hypocrisy on the part of HuffPo in light of how their stories are editorialized to preach the gospel of privilege. The HuffPo story about Macklemore's old haircut that was greened on the entertainment tab today accuses the guy of "advancing white supremacy," linking to an unhinged the Guardian article that basically says everything Macklemore can ever do is wrong because he's a white rapper, and calls him "patronizing" for saying during his Oscar speech that Kendrick Lamar deserved the award instead, which is blindingly obvious to anyone who listens to any hip-hop.

It's like no context except race and gender are relevent.
 
2017-08-16 08:56:05 PM  

spongeboob: Prolific Prole: "Do as I say, not as I do" is practically the left's motto.

[img.fark.net image 850x1036]
Pictured above: HuffPo's editorial team (top) and a /pol/ meetup (bottom)

7 smarts so this the thread where all the conservatives are hanging out


Well they can't go into a trump or Nazi thread without getting rightfully castrated, so circle jerking to non-existent hypocrisy is about the only thing they're going to get while "Trump thinks Nazis are good people" is still parading through the news.
 
2017-08-16 08:58:41 PM  

phaseolus: I know he doesn't have a college degree, I'm not even sure if he's a high school graduate. But precisely because his background's different than yer typical middle class J-school graduate, he speaks true things that many journalists would miss.


This used to be more true of journalists decades ago.  Now I bet you can count the number of national journalists with military service on one hand, if that, for example.  The number of national journalists who have worked on a farm, been a plumber, or performed any sort of manual labor is a very small percentage of the total.  The vast majority come from the same big journalism schools which pretty much guarantees they have mostly the same backgrounds.  New York Times is going to hire the person with the degree from Emerson or Northwestern before they hire someone with a journalism degree from some podunk midwestern farm college.  Which means that the sorts of people they hire aren't going to understand the issues of podunk midwestern farmers.

Yet they're going to report on those issues just the same.  And they'll get them wrong.

You know how we always make fun of the science mistakes in journalism?   They slip through because reporters and editors aren't scientists and don't generally have a background in science, right?

What makes you think their reporting on other things is any more accurate?
 
2017-08-16 09:06:01 PM  
Goal set in the 1970s?
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2017-08-16 10:49:11 PM  

Nadie_AZ: As most are owned by a few massive conglomerates, this surprises you?


Until money is removed from news we'll never get actual news.
 
2017-08-16 10:51:03 PM  

Prolific Prole: "Do as I say, not as I do" is practically the left's motto.

[img.fark.net image 850x1036]
Pictured above: HuffPo's editorial team (top) and a /pol/ meetup (bottom)


And the rights is: fuk u i got money. I can buy any congressman i want, including yours.
 
2017-08-16 10:54:19 PM  

bayoukitty: My newsroom has two African-Americans on the editorial side, one man and one woman. The man is our sole sports writer, while the woman (technically not even in our newsroom, but she's my bestie so I count her) oversees our online operation. Our sole photog is a Hispanic female. One white male and two white females (including me). We're about to add a third female. Our ad staff is almost completely female, all white.

When I started here, we had about 300 employees. It's been mostly "consolidations" and layoffs. Some ran when better opportunities opened. Family kept me here, but that's not the case anymore. I am the oldest staffer on the editorial side, so I'm sure I'll get the ax next. That's been the pattern (not that anyone has proven it in court despite attempts).


Dont worry, journalism is all but dead and our corporate masters will tell us what we need to know.
 
2017-08-16 10:55:16 PM  

Mrbogey: Ocean_Pimp: Recognizing my house is on fire means i can't tell you your house is on fire

It makes sense if you don't think about it

What if I told you, that your house isn't actually on fire and the folks saying that is, are trying to get you to abandon the property to then so they can benefit?


Ud be describing a crony capitalist.
 
2017-08-16 10:56:24 PM  

Linux_Yes: Nadie_AZ: As most are owned by a few massive conglomerates, this surprises you?

Until money is removed from news we'll never get actual news.


I know you're Linux_Yes, but I can't smart this enough times. Wish I had alts.

Difficulty: I don't want governments or ideological volunteers writing my news either.
 
2017-08-16 11:18:35 PM  

IHadMeAVision: Linux_Yes: Nadie_AZ: As most are owned by a few massive conglomerates, this surprises you?

Until money is removed from news we'll never get actual news.

I know you're Linux_Yes, but I can't smart this enough times. Wish I had alts.

Difficulty: I don't want governments or ideological volunteers writing my news either.


Look up on youtube walter cronkite and his views on how the news industry has changed.  The news department of cbs used to be separate and did not take in advertising money. It did not produce profit and was treated as a public service by cbs.
 
2017-08-16 11:30:26 PM  

Linux_Yes: IHadMeAVision: Linux_Yes:
Until money is removed from news we'll never get actual news.

I know you're Linux_Yes, but I can't smart this enough times. Wish I had alts.

Difficulty: I don't want governments or ideological volunteers writing my news either.

Look up on youtube walter cronkite and his views on how the news industry has changed.  The news department of cbs used to be separate and did not take in advertising money. It did not produce profit and was treated as a public service by cbs.


The term for news outlets that did take ad money was "the Great Wall of China" to describe the supposed ethical separation between the ad side and news side of business, if I remember correctly.

Also: "If you're mother says she loves you, check it out" and "if it bleeds it ledes."

Only one of those is still relevent today.
 
2017-08-17 12:11:24 AM  
Class.
Not skin color or gender
 
2017-08-17 03:11:36 AM  
By all means, let's encourage minority college students to burden themselves with decades' worth of debt to join a dying profession.
 
2017-08-17 03:42:04 AM  

IHadMeAVision: Krieghund: Prolific Prole: "Do as I say, not as I do" is practically the left's motto.

[img.fark.net image 850x1036]
Pictured above: HuffPo's editorial team (top) and a /pol/ meetup (bottom)

It looks like 3 of the 14 women in the HuPo photo are clearly non-white, and some others might be Hispanic.  I don't see the hypocrisy.

I also don't see what the two photos have to do with each other.

I don't remember the complete story behind the top picture but I think some senior editor tweeted that image like "what do you notice?" expecting a bunch of positive feedback and pretty much got skewered and grilled by Black Twitter (TM). MRAs were giddy for a week.

If HuffPo is based in NYC, that's a super white workplace -- Oi! concerts around here are more racially diverse than that table.


I can't speak for race, but if the issue is "ZOMG! Theyre all wimminz!1" I (am bored) just did a quick count of gender from their "About Us" page and, from top down through "Entertainment" the names are 56 male, 77 female.

But figures that the HuffPo pic would send the MRAs into a tizzy.
 
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