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(The Daily Beast)   Why did Mueller put a high-powered legal bulldog on his team? To kick some Russian ass, duh   ( thedailybeast.com) divider line
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2017-08-16 08:16:53 AM  
Pretty much.

The team that Mueller is assembling looks a LOT like there are going to be all sorts of RICO links, and they're setting up the hooks to take down a LOT of money laundering and influence peddling, and going after the money behind all this mess.

Which should have a lot of folks in Washington and Moscow worried a bit...
 
2017-08-16 08:30:54 AM  
Just the one?  I thought he had a whole team of legal bulldogs?
 
2017-08-16 08:52:41 AM  
It could matter if Checks and Balances are still in place. Liftbro and The Tortoise don't seem to much care, so long as the idea of GOP unity is achieved.
 
2017-08-16 08:54:03 AM  
Maybe all these competent people can hurry the fark up while there's a republic left to save.
 
2017-08-16 08:55:28 AM  

hubiestubert: Pretty much.

The team that Mueller is assembling looks a LOT like there are going to be all sorts of RICO links, and they're setting up the hooks to take down a LOT of money laundering and influence peddling, and going after the money behind all this mess.

Which should have a lot of folks in Washington and Moscow worried a bit...


If the rumors are true - If I were an East Coast mobster who has done business with Trump I'd be getting a bit nervous right about now. I don't think there is a rabbit hole Mueller won't go down.
 
2017-08-16 09:03:27 AM  

Archie Goodwin: If I were an East Coast mobster who has done business with Trump I'd be getting a bit nervous right about now.


F*ck, if I was an East Coast mobster, I'd be singing like Tweety Bird if it meant I could avoid charges against me.
 
2017-08-16 09:37:18 AM  
"A former federal prosecutor from Brooklyn who spent his career going after mobsters, ponzi-schemers, and white collar criminals, Weissmann is known as a tenacious operator who uses strategies that have dazzled some legal experts and disturbed others. They believe his presence on Mueller's team means the probe may push legal boundaries as it investigates alleged collusion between Trump and Russian interests. "

lol.  Someone with a good Christian name like Weissman surely won't rock the boat with the tolerant right.
 
2017-08-16 10:04:31 AM  
who spent his career going after mobsters, ponzi-schemers, and white collar criminals,

Ahahahahahaha!

That IRS audit is going to look like a prostate check after this guy is through.
 
2017-08-16 10:05:20 AM  
Oh! We're back to THAT storyline now.

Ole 45's attempts at misdirection, film-flam-ery, and smoke n mirrors aren't working
 
2017-08-16 10:08:03 AM  
Did people think Mueller was not working over the weekend? He probably just added two dozen names to his subpoena list.
 
2017-08-16 10:08:09 AM  

Nadie_AZ: It could matter if Checks and Balances are still in place. Liftbro and The Tortoise don't seem to much care, so long as the idea of GOP unity is achieved.


Only for impeachment. There is no question that you can indict Senators and Congresscritters. NYAG is going to have a field day, and Mueller is going to plow the road for him.
 
2017-08-16 10:08:19 AM  
I still don't understand why ANYONE would want to associate with Trump. A RICO investigation can cast a pretty wide net.  You might inadvertently get caught up in it.

Trump:  This is Bob, he's joining my staff.
Bob: Hi, everybody!
Mueller: Pull the file on Bob.
 
2017-08-16 10:08:40 AM  

betty swollocks: Oh! We're back to THAT storyline now.

Ole 45's attempts at misdirection, film-flam-ery, and smoke n mirrors aren't working


Unlike us, Mueller's people aren't letting time spent saying "Nazis bad!" put a drag on their work. (Unlike, say, *me*...)
 
2017-08-16 10:10:34 AM  
This is not fair. On one side Mueller got what looks like the lawyer equivalent of Ocean's Eleven, and on the other side trump got what is looks like the home alone villains. He doesn't have a chance.

/Just a side note, Home Alone villains are just as evil as most bond villains, just lack the skills.
 
2017-08-16 10:10:40 AM  
So are they gonna drag this investigation along for Trump's whole first term? Quit wasting time and taxpayer dollars and do something FFS.
 
2017-08-16 10:11:05 AM  
A guy like this would tear those ambulance chasers Trump hired a very wide new arsehole.
 
2017-08-16 10:11:30 AM  
Bend over and say cheese.
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2017-08-16 10:14:09 AM  

wesmon: So are they gonna drag this investigation along for Trump's whole first term? Quit wasting time and taxpayer dollars and do something FFS.


A) There's a farkload of wrong doing in this White House and B) money laundering and influence peddling is extremely complicated and is designed to be difficult to track by authorities.

I agree that the absolute shiat show that Trump and the GOP are putting on makes time of the essence, but what can you do?
 
2017-08-16 10:15:18 AM  

wesmon: So are they gonna drag this investigation along for Trump's whole first term? Quit wasting time and taxpayer dollars and do something FFS.


You want it done fast or you want it done right? Pick one.

Mueller knows this is a one shot deal. He's not going to move on Two Scoops until he's 100% certain he's got him.
 
2017-08-16 10:17:10 AM  

Mercutio74: wesmon: So are they gonna drag this investigation along for Trump's whole first term? Quit wasting time and taxpayer dollars and do something FFS.

A) There's a farkload of wrong doing in this White House and B) money laundering and influence peddling is extremely complicated and is designed to be difficult to track by authorities.

I agree that the absolute shiat show that Trump and the GOP are putting on makes time of the essence, but what can you do?


This. And while I'd like Trump out of office ASAP, I ALSO want Mueller's case to be ironclad. I want Trump and his cronies to get walloped with so much evidence that the GOP will HAVE to take serious action...or put the idea that they're the 'law and order' party to bed once and for all.
 
2017-08-16 10:17:47 AM  

Angry Drunk Bureaucrat: Archie Goodwin: If I were an East Coast mobster who has done business with Trump I'd be getting a bit nervous right about now.

F*ck, if I was an East Coast mobster, I'd be singing like Tweety Bird if it meant I could avoid charges against me.


I wonder how many cold-calls he is getting.
 
2017-08-16 10:18:39 AM  

the_innkeeper: Nadie_AZ: It could matter if Checks and Balances are still in place. Liftbro and The Tortoise don't seem to much care, so long as the idea of GOP unity is achieved.

Only for impeachment. There is no question that you can indict Senators and Congresscritters. NYAG is going to have a field day, and Mueller is going to plow the road for him.


I wonder if anyone has told Trump that he can't pardon state charges.
 
2017-08-16 10:18:45 AM  
This should make the alt-right happy, right?  Because they're alllll about being anti Commie.
 
2017-08-16 10:19:46 AM  

the_innkeeper: Angry Drunk Bureaucrat: Archie Goodwin: If I were an East Coast mobster who has done business with Trump I'd be getting a bit nervous right about now.

F*ck, if I was an East Coast mobster, I'd be singing like Tweety Bird if it meant I could avoid charges against me.

I wonder how many cold-calls he is getting.


Seriously. The more Mueller probes and prods, the more likely it is that he's going to uncover something that's going to hurt the family business. If I'm smart, I'm getting out ahead of this, trying to get immunity, and bring down the a-hole who f*cked me over.
 
2017-08-16 10:19:53 AM  

mrshowrules: "A former federal prosecutor from Brooklyn who spent his career going after mobsters, ponzi-schemers, and white collar criminals, Weissmann is known as a tenacious operator who uses strategies that have dazzled some legal experts and disturbed others. They believe his presence on Mueller's team means the probe may push legal boundaries as it investigates alleged collusion between Trump and Russian interests. "

lol.  Someone with a good Christian name like Weissman surely won't rock the boat with the tolerant right.


I've been saying for months Weissman is the game changer. Respected in Washington and reviled on Wall Street, he's the government's big game hunter on financial crimes.

Even Ken Lay, who was worth 9-figures and was personal friends with Dubya and Cheney couldn't escape a conviction. Weissman was the cause of his "heart attack" while awaiting sentencing.
 
2017-08-16 10:20:20 AM  

stoli n coke: wesmon: So are they gonna drag this investigation along for Trump's whole first term? Quit wasting time and taxpayer dollars and do something FFS.

You want it done fast or you want it done right? Pick one.

Mueller knows this is a one shot deal. He's not going to move on Two Scoops until he's 100% certain he's got him.


Imagine that. The last few days, going over everything for a fourth, fifth time and looking up from the table at each other and exclaiming, "This is it. These guys are done. Start making the calls."
 
2017-08-16 10:21:44 AM  
I'm still wondering when Preet Bharara will join the wonder team.
 
2017-08-16 10:22:37 AM  

hubiestubert: Pretty much.

The team that Mueller is assembling looks a LOT like there are going to be all sorts of RICO links, and they're setting up the hooks to take down a LOT of money laundering and influence peddling, and going after the money behind all this mess.

Which should have a lot of folks in Washington and Moscow worried a bit...


https://www.popehat.com/2016/06/14/lawsplainer-its-not-rico-dammit/
They would have to show an unbelievably clear link between anyone and the mob before RICO kicks in, and expect courts to overturn RICO before anybody connected with DC gets hit by those laws.

RICO might be the thing that gets the low level (that the courts don't have an intersted in protecting the establishment) that still have real connection with NYC and/or Russian mobsters.  It is even in The Prince, warning princes that taking inheritances will make a greater enemy than taking the father's life (in this case it means that sons in law will squel if their fortune is on the line).

But otherwise it isn't RICO.  Nobody in the cabinet or similar is in any danger of RICO.
 
2017-08-16 10:22:44 AM  

stoli n coke: wesmon: So are they gonna drag this investigation along for Trump's whole first term? Quit wasting time and taxpayer dollars and do something FFS.

You want it done fast or you want it done right? Pick one.

Mueller knows this is a one shot deal. He's not going to move on Two Scoops until he's 100% certain he's got him.


I'm getting the feeling that he might have several things on Wiggy by the time this is all said and done.  This could very well stretch into the next administration if it's really, really deep enough.  Trump could be in a courtroom for the rest of his life and if not him, his children very well could be as well.

We're thinking of terms of 'getting Trump out of office.'  I think Mueller is thinking in terms of 'the Trump name won't be the worth the piss Donald lusts after.'
 
2017-08-16 10:22:55 AM  

SoupGuru: Maybe all these competent people can hurry the fark up while there's a republic left to save.


We survived McCarthy and the Red Scare. Trump is no less a pipsqueak than McCarthy.
 
2017-08-16 10:28:16 AM  

yet_another_wumpus: hubiestubert: Pretty much.

The team that Mueller is assembling looks a LOT like there are going to be all sorts of RICO links, and they're setting up the hooks to take down a LOT of money laundering and influence peddling, and going after the money behind all this mess.

Which should have a lot of folks in Washington and Moscow worried a bit...

https://www.popehat.com/2016/06/14/lawsplainer-its-not-rico-dammit/
They would have to show an unbelievably clear link between anyone and the mob before RICO kicks in, and expect courts to overturn RICO before anybody connected with DC gets hit by those laws.

RICO might be the thing that gets the low level (that the courts don't have an intersted in protecting the establishment) that still have real connection with NYC and/or Russian mobsters.  It is even in The Prince, warning princes that taking inheritances will make a greater enemy than taking the father's life (in this case it means that sons in law will squel if their fortune is on the line).

But otherwise it isn't RICO.  Nobody in the cabinet or similar is in any danger of RICO.


RICO

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2017-08-16 10:28:39 AM  

2xhelix: Bend over and say cheese.
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There seems to 3 aspects to Trump right now, how hated he is; how ineffectual he is and how criminal he is and we are about to experience a convergence of all 3.
 
2017-08-16 10:29:01 AM  

wesmon: So are they gonna drag this investigation along for Trump's whole first term? Quit wasting time and taxpayer dollars and do something FFS.


Yeah, it's almost like Beng... whoops. *rolls eyes*
 
2017-08-16 10:30:15 AM  

yet_another_wumpus: Nobody in the cabinet or similar is in any danger of RICO.


No, but you waive the threat of a RICO charge in front of some of the lower-to-middle folks, maybe they start talking about other things the upper folks did.
 
2017-08-16 10:31:19 AM  

Guntram Shatterhand: stoli n coke: wesmon: So are they gonna drag this investigation along for Trump's whole first term? Quit wasting time and taxpayer dollars and do something FFS.

You want it done fast or you want it done right? Pick one.

Mueller knows this is a one shot deal. He's not going to move on Two Scoops until he's 100% certain he's got him.

I'm getting the feeling that he might have several things on Wiggy by the time this is all said and done.  This could very well stretch into the next administration if it's really, really deep enough.  Trump could be in a courtroom for the rest of his life and if not him, his children very well could be as well.

We're thinking of terms of 'getting Trump out of office.'  I think Mueller is thinking in terms of 'the Trump name won't be the worth the piss Donald lusts after.'


I'm just waiting for the 'BAH GOD, MUELLER... HE'S DAID! CALL OFF THE COURT. HE'S DAID!'
 
2017-08-16 10:32:03 AM  

Scoobie: I'm still wondering when Preet Bharara will join the wonder team.


He won't.  He's possibly a witness to obstruction, given his firing, and is also quite openly biased. I love Bhara, but he'd be a legit conflict of interest on Mueller's team.
 
2017-08-16 10:33:21 AM  
Andrew Weissmann.  (((This ought to piss them off)))
 
2017-08-16 10:34:37 AM  

LordJiro: Mercutio74: wesmon: So are they gonna drag this investigation along for Trump's whole first term? Quit wasting time and taxpayer dollars and do something FFS.

A) There's a farkload of wrong doing in this White House and B) money laundering and influence peddling is extremely complicated and is designed to be difficult to track by authorities.

I agree that the absolute shiat show that Trump and the GOP are putting on makes time of the essence, but what can you do?

This. And while I'd like Trump out of office ASAP, I ALSO want Mueller's case to be ironclad. I want Trump and his cronies to get walloped with so much evidence that the GOP will HAVE to take serious action...or put the idea that they're the 'law and order' party to bed once and for all.


Yup, anything that's less than 10000% ironclad will have the GOP lock ranks to shield him, even the slightest bit of plausible deniability will give them cover to do nothing. And for the base to shrug everything off. It needs to be so obvious that there's less than Birther level of support for "wrongly impeached"
 
2017-08-16 10:34:41 AM  

Angry Drunk Bureaucrat: yet_another_wumpus: Nobody in the cabinet or similar is in any danger of RICO.

No, but you waive the threat of a RICO charge in front of some of the lower-to-middle folks, maybe they start talking about other things the upper folks did.


/And, of course, I used the phrase "RICO charge" in exactly the way the author had an aneurysm about.
 
2017-08-16 10:35:52 AM  

ValisIV: He won't. He's possibly a witness to obstruction, given his firing, and is also quite openly biased. I love Bhara, but he'd be a legit conflict of interest on Mueller's team.


Very valid points. But damn, it would be fun from a Donnie Two Scoops standpoint.
 
2017-08-16 10:36:45 AM  

Scoobie: I'm still wondering when Preet Bharara will join the wonder team.


He won't. There is too much conflict of interest. The defence would have a field day obfuscating and deflecting. Hell, he may even be a called as a witness.
 
2017-08-16 10:41:20 AM  

Scoobie: I'm still wondering when Preet Bharara will join the wonder team.


I don't think he can, as he was fired by Trump. I think that makes him, like Comey, a material witness to obstruction of justice.
 
2017-08-16 10:49:58 AM  
After listening to the bloviating coming from our commander in chief,  the silence coming from Mueller is soothing.
 
2017-08-16 10:55:52 AM  

yet_another_wumpus: hubiestubert: Pretty much.

The team that Mueller is assembling looks a LOT like there are going to be all sorts of RICO links, and they're setting up the hooks to take down a LOT of money laundering and influence peddling, and going after the money behind all this mess.

Which should have a lot of folks in Washington and Moscow worried a bit...

https://www.popehat.com/2016/06/14/lawsplainer-its-not-rico-dammit/
They would have to show an unbelievably clear link between anyone and the mob before RICO kicks in, and expect courts to overturn RICO before anybody connected with DC gets hit by those laws.

RICO might be the thing that gets the low level (that the courts don't have an intersted in protecting the establishment) that still have real connection with NYC and/or Russian mobsters.  It is even in The Prince, warning princes that taking inheritances will make a greater enemy than taking the father's life (in this case it means that sons in law will squel if their fortune is on the line).

But otherwise it isn't RICO.  Nobody in the cabinet or similar is in any danger of RICO.


Nothing in the RICO statutes require a mob connection. The link you posted doesn't farking say that. They require an organization, which would include the RNC or even the Trump campaign, a pattern of racketeering offenses, and one of the criminal RICO offenses.

An enterprise is any union or group of people, even if they are not legally organized.

One of the Racketeering offenses is bribery.  It also includes wire and mail fraud - which from my white collar crime course, includes just about any type of crime using the mail or telephone. It also includes witness tampering and obstruction of justice, misuse of immigration documents, and human trafficking. They have to show two offenses in the past ten years to show a pattern - everything they are talking about occurred in about a year and a half.

For criminal rico to attach, all they have to show is that it affected interstate commerce, which is easy.

RICO is not laughable here. There is evidence to suggest that the Trump Organization has engaged in some or all of the example crimes I provided, that they are an enterprise, and that thier racketeering offenses affected interstate commerce.
 
2017-08-16 11:06:35 AM  

zeroman987: Nothing in the RICO statutes require a mob connection. The link you posted doesn't farking say that. They require an organization, which would include the RNC or even the Trump campaign, a pattern of racketeering offenses, and one of the criminal RICO offenses.


What zero said.  RICO is how they took down the Mayor of Providence RI.  There was no direct mob connection - just mobesque behavior.  I'd not be surprised if some RICO charges happen.....
 
2017-08-16 11:12:32 AM  
Didn't work for Mueller last time
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/It's Red Scare all over again. if you don't like Trutin, you are real fascist
 
2017-08-16 11:21:57 AM  
FTFA: The FBI's decision to send a dozen agents on an early-hour raid of former Trump campaign chairman Paul Manafort's home struck some observers as an audacious, even unprecedented move for a white collar criminal case.

Why is that unprecedented?  Oh yeah, rich white people.
 
2017-08-16 11:39:03 AM  
I think I speak for an ever-increasing number of Americans when I say: GO. NOW. FASTER.
 
2017-08-16 12:15:24 PM  

SoupGuru: Maybe all these competent people can hurry the fark up while there's a republic left to save.


I'm thinking about this like a video game I'm looking forward to.

Do I want it today? Yes!

But do I want a great experiance? Yes.

So, I trust in them to take their time and make sure they cross all their t's and dot their i's so they take down as many money grubbing, no-soul possessing bastards as possible.

At least there is no corporate overwatch pushing it ahead of schedule just to make their financial year look good.
 
2017-08-16 12:42:55 PM  

wesmon: So are they gonna drag this investigation along for Trump's whole first term? Quit wasting time and taxpayer dollars and do something FFS.


They're doing truckloads. The difference is that Mueller has a team of Professionals who put Country and Law before Party, STIGGNIT!, or Coked-Out Charlie Sheen levels of WINNING. That team is competent and airtight, which has D2S's inner circle clenched so hard that they're  converting the carbon in their feces into diamonds.

Unlike our Embarrassment In Chief, Mueller's not going to rush or half-ass this.  I'm sure a lot of people would like him to, but that's not going to happen. Mueller is systematically wrapping up every single person around Donald first. Nixon resigned years after Watergate happened, when the investigations were finally coming to an unescapable conclusion. These investigations are moving at light speed by comparison, because there is so much more to find. Watergate is going to look like somebody robbing a lemonade stand next to a bullet riddled bank heist, whenn all of the collusion and treason and flat-out larcenous greed comes to light.
 
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