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(Washington Post)   Opinion: Pence will be found on Russian dump   ( washingtonpost.com) divider line
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2017-08-14 04:18:55 PM  
Isn't this the logical evolution of the argument of Nazi soldiers when they were questioned about their conduct during WWII?  The problem with said argument for Pence will be that he sounds like a total idiot if he says he "wasn't in the loop".  If he was, he could be tied in to the conspiracy concerning Russia.

Pence should resign if he has any ambitions for the big chair in 2020, citing "a difference of opinion" with Trump.  Weak as that maybe, considering it's Trump, at least it sounds plausible.  Not to mention klaxons will be going off in GOP circles that someone like Pence had to leave because even he couldn't deal with Trump's antics.
 
2017-08-14 04:36:07 PM  
We can only hope.

So far Trump has farked up 7 ways until Sunday and still holds power.
 
2017-08-14 07:17:30 PM  
A vice president is either implicated as being in the loop or looks foolish if he insists that he was out of it.

So far it seems he's going for the "foolish" route.
 
2017-08-14 07:28:43 PM  

fusillade762: So far it seems he's going for the "foolish" route.


Wasn't that the route that landed him his current job?
 
2017-08-14 07:38:36 PM  
duh.

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2017-08-14 07:54:10 PM  
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2017-08-14 07:54:55 PM  
Golly, I hope so!
 
2017-08-14 07:58:10 PM  
Like, rooting around for recyclables?
 
2017-08-14 07:58:11 PM  
He was in charge of the transition. If he didn't know about the Russia involvement, he was incompetent, and if he did know, he was in on it, or at least willing to allow it.

There's not an angle Mother's Boy can play on this that makes him look smart, let alone Presidential.
 
2017-08-14 07:58:21 PM  
Makes perfect sense, Trump is into Russians peeing on him and Pence likes to be on the recieving end of a Russian after eating McDonalds.
 
2017-08-14 07:58:48 PM  
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2017-08-14 07:59:43 PM  
Will he be eaten by wolves? And if so, was he delicious?

/ Sees what you did there.
 
2017-08-14 08:02:26 PM  
Pence is the scum of the earth anyway, so fark him.
 
2017-08-14 08:02:49 PM  
Damn subby that is harsh.  I'll take swimming mishaps on the Volga river for 800 Alex.
 
2017-08-14 08:04:53 PM  
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Poop thread
 
2017-08-14 08:06:37 PM  

fusillade762: A vice president is either implicated as being in the loop or looks foolish if he insists that he was out of it.

So far it seems he's going for the "foolish" route.


I'm figuring Pence will go for the 'Jebus forgives me' route and the evangelical suckers will fall for it as well dual.
 
2017-08-14 08:07:26 PM  
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2017-08-14 08:09:56 PM  
The Pirates of Pence ass.
 
2017-08-14 08:11:14 PM  
So, he's screwed?

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2017-08-14 08:12:34 PM  
Pence's problem is he doesn't appeal to the entire Republican base. Evangelicals will love him but paleocon business types don't care about him at all and the neo-racists don't like him at worst. Pence only has the Christers pulling for him and alone they can't do much.
 
2017-08-14 08:13:57 PM  
FTFAVice President Pence denounced a New York Times article suggesting he is eyeing a 2020 run for president, calling it "disgraceful and offensive."

Ugh, goddammitsomuch. "Disgraceful and offensive"? Really?

Ignoring the fact that Pence is a complete and total f*cking liar about this, I'd at least have simply shrugged my shoulders at "absurd and unfounded." Or "ridiculous and without merit." Or even "premature and silly."

But NOOOOO, you goddamn Jesus Wheezers can't go three days without clutching your pearls and sobbing in phony dismay at the horrid state of modern affairs, so I guess "disgraceful and offensive" it is.

When will you tough as nails, bootstrappy, stern-faced alpha male Republicans ever stop your perpetual simpering?
 
2017-08-14 08:15:28 PM  

Scorpitron is reduced to a thin red paste: Pence only has the Christers pulling for him


0_o
 
2017-08-14 08:15:34 PM  
In
Under
Eating

I can think of a lot of other more apt descriptions...
 
2017-08-14 08:18:26 PM  

Percise1: In
Under
Eating

I can think of a lot of other more apt descriptions...


Not subby, but I imagine it may be a play on an old automotive joke..."found on reservation dump" was how l heard it.
 
2017-08-14 08:18:27 PM  
I thought it was supposed to be a pee tape?
 
2017-08-14 08:19:18 PM  

Scorpitron is reduced to a thin red paste: Pence's problem is he doesn't appeal to the entire Republican base. Evangelicals will love him but paleocon business types don't care about him at all and the neo-racists don't like him at worst. Pence only has the Christers pulling for him and alone they can't do much.


Oh come on.  The God botherers and the DerpNazis share a heightened propensity towards inappropriate contact with minors.  So they have that common thread.
 
2017-08-14 08:30:29 PM  

Atillathepun: The Pirates of Pence ass.

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I absolutely refuse to laugh at that sublime joke.
 
2017-08-14 08:35:54 PM  
If Trump goes down for cheating to get himself elected, then we will see lawsuits arguing to invalidate the entire election. (The courts will very likely shoot this down instead of calling for a special election on a national level..... but, many won't agree that they made the right decision.)

So, even if Pence becomes POTUS, some people will believe his path that made him Leader of the Free World is invalid, as well as the points in this article.

To sum it up.... he might become the next POTUS, but very few will respect his authority.
 
2017-08-14 08:48:07 PM  
Pence doesn't have a good option.
He can stay and be tarred with the same brush as the rest of the administration, or leave and miss out on the chance to take the golden throne.
 
2017-08-14 08:58:55 PM  
Assuming Pence is involved, I want Mueller to make him flip on Trump to protect himself.
 
2017-08-14 08:58:57 PM  
Pence is worse than Trump because he would rather serve as apologist-in-chief, rather than speak up.
 
2017-08-14 09:02:24 PM  
If there's anything that puts Pence in jeopardy of impeachment, that's going to be the straw that breaks the camel's back.

Not only because Ryan is next in line, but because the GOP can't risk losing the House in 2018 and then having to impeach.
 
2017-08-14 09:12:24 PM  
 Whereas Paul Manafort will be found in a Russian dump.
 
2017-08-14 09:25:38 PM  
It seems to me that Pence plans to ride Trump into the ground, so to speak.  He'll turn on him, but doesn't want to do it too soon.

The timing will be... tricky.
 
2017-08-14 09:32:07 PM  
I am sensing a lot of IF coming off this plan.
 
2017-08-14 09:48:52 PM  
Saw Pence on TV today trying to distract everyone by focusing on Venezuela and North Korea.  He'd probably love a war just about now.
 
2017-08-14 09:49:39 PM  

fusillade762: A vice president is either implicated as being in the loop or looks foolish if he insists that he was out of it.

So far it seems he's going for the "foolish" route.


If the alternative to being thought a moron is risking a life sentence in Levenworth (best case) for being a traitor, you'd be surprised how many people are willing to look like morons.

/He was handpicked by Manafort for Trump
//Odds he's not in on it comparable to my odds of a threesome with victoria's secret models tonight
 
2017-08-14 10:03:46 PM  
I knew he was a turd burglar.
 
2017-08-14 10:05:37 PM  
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2017-08-14 10:12:26 PM  

Rwa2play: Isn't this the logical evolution of the argument of Nazi soldiers when they were questioned about their conduct during WWII?  The problem with said argument for Pence will be that he sounds like a total idiot if he says he "wasn't in the loop".  If he was, he could be tied in to the conspiracy concerning Russia.

Pence should resign if he has any ambitions for the big chair in 2020, citing "a difference of opinion" with Trump.  Weak as that maybe, considering it's Trump, at least it sounds plausible.  Not to mention klaxons will be going off in GOP circles that someone like Pence had to leave because even he couldn't deal with Trump's antics.


I'm pretty sure "I wasn't in the loop" is the exact quote one GHWBush used about massacring some 40,000 civilians in Guatemala and El Salvador (along with some unknown number of Sandanistas).  At roughly the same time the 101st Airborn was losing soldiers right and left due to "flying helicopters with night vision goggles designed for tanks" and even a contracted airliner, but I've never heard of a claim they were in Central America (although the helicopter story always sounded stupid.  And they were always crashing them).
 
2017-08-14 10:26:40 PM  
All of this sounds great... Except Trump wasn't supposed to win.

So forgive me if I don't believe the conventional wisdom
 
2017-08-14 10:49:39 PM  
From your lips to dog's ears.
 
2017-08-14 11:19:43 PM  

Captain Shaky: If Trump goes down for cheating to get himself elected, then we will see lawsuits arguing to invalidate the entire election. (The courts will very likely shoot this down instead of calling for a special election on a national level..... but, many won't agree that they made the right decision.)


I have given this some thought. The only legal route to fix this election is for Trump to resign. Pence takes the presidency, nominates Hillary for VP,  and then Pence resigns.
 
2017-08-14 11:39:27 PM  

Harry_Seldon: Captain Shaky: If Trump goes down for cheating to get himself elected, then we will see lawsuits arguing to invalidate the entire election. (The courts will very likely shoot this down instead of calling for a special election on a national level..... but, many won't agree that they made the right decision.)

I have given this some thought. The only legal route to fix this election is for Trump to resign. Pence takes the presidency, nominates Hillary for VP,  and then Pence resigns.


If you're not being snarky, then the masturbatory fanfic has truly reached a new level of derp.  The comment you're replying to is almost as bad.  It's been 9 months since the election.  There's not going to be a do-over, as much as we'd like to have one.  There are process in place to handle this like Mueller, and mechanisms in place to remedy this like impeachment, but the system needs time to work.  Working yourselves into a frenzy with wishful fantasies of either Mattis being president or Hillary giving Trump the People's Elbow to ascend to the top spot are just that, fantasies.
 
2017-08-14 11:47:58 PM  

Karate Explosion: All of this sounds great... Except Trump wasn't supposed to win.
So forgive me if I don't believe the conventional wisdom


Oh, you are one savvy customer.
Now tell me how both sides are bad.
 
2017-08-15 12:50:14 AM  

Comic Book Guy: Harry_Seldon: Captain Shaky: If Trump goes down for cheating to get himself elected, then we will see lawsuits arguing to invalidate the entire election. (The courts will very likely shoot this down instead of calling for a special election on a national level..... but, many won't agree that they made the right decision.)

I have given this some thought. The only legal route to fix this election is for Trump to resign. Pence takes the presidency, nominates Hillary for VP,  and then Pence resigns.

If you're not being snarky, then the masturbatory fanfic has truly reached a new level of derp.  The comment you're replying to is almost as bad.  It's been 9 months since the election.  There's not going to be a do-over, as much as we'd like to have one.  There are process in place to handle this like Mueller, and mechanisms in place to remedy this like impeachment, but the system needs time to work.  Working yourselves into a frenzy with wishful fantasies of either Mattis being president or Hillary giving Trump the People's Elbow to ascend to the top spot are just that, fantasies.


I was just making the thought experiment of "what would happen if some court invalidated the election?" It wasn't some masturbatory fantasy. Get a grip.
 
2017-08-15 05:44:34 AM  

Harry_Seldon: Comic Book Guy: Harry_Seldon: Captain Shaky: If Trump goes down for cheating to get himself elected, then we will see lawsuits arguing to invalidate the entire election. (The courts will very likely shoot this down instead of calling for a special election on a national level..... but, many won't agree that they made the right decision.)

I have given this some thought. The only legal route to fix this election is for Trump to resign. Pence takes the presidency, nominates Hillary for VP,  and then Pence resigns.

If you're not being snarky, then the masturbatory fanfic has truly reached a new level of derp.  The comment you're replying to is almost as bad.  It's been 9 months since the election.  There's not going to be a do-over, as much as we'd like to have one.  There are process in place to handle this like Mueller, and mechanisms in place to remedy this like impeachment, but the system needs time to work.  Working yourselves into a frenzy with wishful fantasies of either Mattis being president or Hillary giving Trump the People's Elbow to ascend to the top spot are just that, fantasies.

I was just making the thought experiment of "what would happen if some court invalidated the election?" It wasn't some masturbatory fantasy. Get a grip.


Put both hands on the table then.
 
2017-08-15 07:20:39 AM  

Atillathepun: The Pirates of Pence ass.


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2017-08-15 09:27:47 AM  

LedLawless: Whereas Paul Manafort will be found in a Russian dump.


Manafort IS a Russian Dump.
 
2017-08-15 09:35:53 AM  

Captain Shaky: If Trump goes down for cheating to get himself elected, then we will see lawsuits arguing to invalidate the entire election.


The problem with your dream-come-true scenario is that the Russian collusion story already disintegrated. They just pushed it to get a special prosecutor to try to find something shady in Trump's taxes. That's your best last hope, but it still won't end in Trump's removal from office. In fact, the obvious pettiness from the butthurt left is only damaging their side.
 
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