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2017-08-12 08:59:05 PM  
You kind of have to trust Whedon's instincts on this. People want a satisfying end to a movie.

If they're going to throw in some huge "nope, you guys are actually f*cked and all you just did meant nothing" then maybe save it for the after credits. Except this is DC and apparently they don't bother with those.

At least the DC shows are good. They should give up on the movies and focus more on those, maybe do some feature-length movies based on the shows.
 
2017-08-12 09:21:22 PM  
I'm having a hard time thinking of two directors with more vastly different styles than Snyder and Whedon.
 
2017-08-12 10:06:53 PM  
Wait, does this mean Snyder won't get to make his dark and gritty "Heroes vs. Darkseid: The Darkest, Grimmest Darkening" movie after all the darkly grim and grimly dark stuff that's been leading up to it?
 
2017-08-12 10:08:01 PM  
You mean we won't find out that Aquaman, Flash and Cyborg all have mothers named Martha?
 
2017-08-12 11:09:56 PM  
There's pretty much no way this isn't going to suck.

Honestly, of all the superhero movies that have come out since "Iron Man", only a couple of them hold up as good movies. "Winter Soldier" is good. And...hell, I don't even know. So many of the rest are just stupid action flicks, or brooding, self-important action flicks.

It's been said a million times, but the only superhero movie that did almost everything right was "The Incredibles".

It's like people have been fooled into lowering their expectations so much for modern movies that they consider any movie with 10 minutes of "good stuff" to be AWESOME! FIVE STARS! Even if the rest of it is boring filler.
 
2017-08-12 11:13:27 PM  

BizarreMan: You mean we won't find out that Aquaman, Flash and Cyborg all have mothers named Martha?


I can't seem to find it right now, but hilariously there was a deleted scene in Watchmen where two random background characters bond over their mothers having the same name.
 
2017-08-12 11:22:22 PM  

fusillade762: I'm having a hard time thinking of two directors with more vastly different styles than Snyder and Whedon.


Especially when one's style is basically just "sucking."

/watches people fight over which I am referring to
//Spoiler: It's Snyder.
 
2017-08-12 11:22:47 PM  

Sid_6.7: You kind of have to trust Whedon's instincts on this. People want a satisfying end to a movie.

If they're going to throw in some huge "nope, you guys are actually f*cked and all you just did meant nothing" then maybe save it for the after credits. Except this is DC and apparently they don't bother with those.

At least the DC shows are good. They should give up on the movies and focus more on those, maybe do some feature-length movies based on the shows.


Or just live adapt those. I'd live an R Rated "Under the Hood".
 
2017-08-12 11:24:22 PM  

Cookbook's Anarchist: Sid_6.7: You kind of have to trust Whedon's instincts on this. People want a satisfying end to a movie.

If they're going to throw in some huge "nope, you guys are actually f*cked and all you just did meant nothing" then maybe save it for the after credits. Except this is DC and apparently they don't bother with those.

At least the DC shows are good. They should give up on the movies and focus more on those, maybe do some feature-length movies based on the shows.

Or just live adapt those. I'd live an R Rated "Under the Hood".


Love even... fark autocorrect on mobile. It first thought I wanted to say Kiev...

/not a pol thread
 
2017-08-12 11:24:32 PM  
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2017-08-12 11:26:18 PM  
I'm guessing by putting in more women kicking ass, that will get him being labeled as an even bigger sexist by radical feminists?
 
2017-08-12 11:31:19 PM  

IlGreven: I'm guessing by putting in more women kicking ass, that will get him being labeled as an even bigger sexist by radical feminists?


He's going to kill off Wonder Woman.
 
2017-08-12 11:41:49 PM  

BizarreMan: You mean we won't find out that Aquaman, Flash and Cyborg all have mothers named Martha?


This being Whedon, they may all have fathers named Martha.
 
2017-08-12 11:43:48 PM  

weddingsinger: BizarreMan: You mean we won't find out that Aquaman, Flash and Cyborg all have mothers named Martha?

I can't seem to find it right now, but hilariously there was a deleted scene in Watchmen where two random background characters bond over their mothers having the same name.


I kind of want a Marvel movie to make a reference to this at some point. Like basically two characters have mother's with different names followed by one noting that it was a missed opportunity for a bonding moment.
 
2017-08-13 12:02:33 AM  

timujin: Wait, does this mean Snyder won't get to make his dark and gritty "Heroes vs. Darkseid: The Darkest, Grimmest Darkening" movie after all the darkly grim and grimly dark stuff that's been leading up to it?


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2017-08-13 12:11:54 AM  

The Flexecutioner: timujin: Wait, does this mean Snyder won't get to make his dark and gritty "Heroes vs. Darkseid: The Darkest, Grimmest Darkening" movie after all the darkly grim and grimly dark stuff that's been leading up to it?

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I really want Martin Short in a Marvel movie now. I don't care who he plays.
 
2017-08-13 12:14:18 AM  

BizarreMan: You mean we won't find out that Aquaman, Flash and Cyborg all have mothers named Martha?


You know, I know you're joking, but I can't shake the thought out of my noggin that they'd actually try that...

Or we discover right before Superman breaks Darkseid's neck that his mother's name is Martha...
 
2017-08-13 12:16:11 AM  

realmolo: There's pretty much no way this isn't going to suck.

Honestly, of all the superhero movies that have come out since "Iron Man", only a couple of them hold up as good movies. "Winter Soldier" is good. And...hell, I don't even know. So many of the rest are just stupid action flicks, or brooding, self-important action flicks.

It's been said a million times, but the only superhero movie that did almost everything right was "The Incredibles".

It's like people have been fooled into lowering their expectations so much for modern movies that they consider any movie with 10 minutes of "good stuff" to be AWESOME! FIVE STARS! Even if the rest of it is boring filler.


Did a Superhero movie pee in your cereal?  No?  Kill your dog?  No?  Someone liking what you don 't like?'

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Just go watch something else and Shut The Hell Up!

 
2017-08-13 12:17:32 AM  

realmolo: There's pretty much no way this isn't going to suck.

Honestly, of all the superhero movies that have come out since "Iron Man", only a couple of them hold up as good movies. "Winter Soldier" is good. And...hell, I don't even know. So many of the rest are just stupid action flicks, or brooding, self-important action flicks.

It's been said a million times, but the only superhero movie that did almost everything right was "The Incredibles".

It's like people have been fooled into lowering their expectations so much for modern movies that they consider any movie with 10 minutes of "good stuff" to be AWESOME! FIVE STARS! Even if the rest of it is boring filler.

What about Spider-Man: Homecoming? I loved every minute of that.

But yes, The Incredibles is why I'm not too broken up by the fact that we've never had, and likely never will have, a decent Fantastic Four movie.
 
2017-08-13 12:20:14 AM  

timujin: Wait, does this mean Snyder won't get to make his dark and gritty "Heroes vs. Darkseid: The Darkest, Grimmest Darkening" movie after all the darkly grim and grimly dark stuff that's been leading up to it?


If Snyder wants grimdark he needs to direct a 40k movie.

But I'll give him credit for Watchmen. He did an amazing job with it.
 
2017-08-13 12:22:03 AM  

COMALite J: a decent Fantastic Four movie.


That's dead at least twice over, sadly. I like to see artistic efforts succeed. We get so much more out of that compared to the failures.
 
2017-08-13 12:28:00 AM  

Sid_6.7: timujin: Wait, does this mean Snyder won't get to make his dark and gritty "Heroes vs. Darkseid: The Darkest, Grimmest Darkening" movie after all the darkly grim and grimly dark stuff that's been leading up to it?

If Snyder wants grimdark he needs to direct a 40k movie.

But I'll give him credit for Watchmen. He did an amazing job with it.


You know, I can't believe I'm saying this, but Snyder would be PERFECT for a 40k movie, especially if it focuses on the Space Marines. Honestly, just change 300 to a sci-fi setting and you're at least halfway there already.
 
2017-08-13 12:45:29 AM  

Cookbook's Anarchist: Sid_6.7: You kind of have to trust Whedon's instincts on this. People want a satisfying end to a movie.

If they're going to throw in some huge "nope, you guys are actually f*cked and all you just did meant nothing" then maybe save it for the after credits. Except this is DC and apparently they don't bother with those.

At least the DC shows are good. They should give up on the movies and focus more on those, maybe do some feature-length movies based on the shows.

Or just live adapt those. I'd live an R Rated "Under the Hood".


Unfortunately, if they did that now it probably would be panned as a Winter Soldier rip-off, with the hero's sidekick coming back from the dead.
 
2017-08-13 12:50:04 AM  

Iczer: BizarreMan: You mean we won't find out that Aquaman, Flash and Cyborg all have mothers named Martha?

You know, I know you're joking, but I can't shake the thought out of my noggin that they'd actually try that...

Or we discover right before Superman breaks Darkseid's neck that his mother's name is Martha...


Or Supes tears up when he finds out that Darkseid's best friend was named Granny Goodness ;)
 
2017-08-13 01:05:16 AM  

AntonChigger: Sid_6.7: timujin: Wait, does this mean Snyder won't get to make his dark and gritty "Heroes vs. Darkseid: The Darkest, Grimmest Darkening" movie after all the darkly grim and grimly dark stuff that's been leading up to it?

If Snyder wants grimdark he needs to direct a 40k movie.

But I'll give him credit for Watchmen. He did an amazing job with it.

You know, I can't believe I'm saying this, but Snyder would be PERFECT for a 40k movie, especially if it focuses on the Space Marines. Honestly, just change 300 to a sci-fi setting and you're at least halfway there already.


If anything needs a 40k movie treatment it's AGP.
 
2017-08-13 01:09:48 AM  

Sid_6.7: AntonChigger: Sid_6.7: timujin: Wait, does this mean Snyder won't get to make his dark and gritty "Heroes vs. Darkseid: The Darkest, Grimmest Darkening" movie after all the darkly grim and grimly dark stuff that's been leading up to it?

If Snyder wants grimdark he needs to direct a 40k movie.

But I'll give him credit for Watchmen. He did an amazing job with it.

You know, I can't believe I'm saying this, but Snyder would be PERFECT for a 40k movie, especially if it focuses on the Space Marines. Honestly, just change 300 to a sci-fi setting and you're at least halfway there already.

If anything needs a 40k movie treatment it's AGP.


I agree. And to clarify: a space marine movie wouldn't work. They can never translate to camera well between the ridiculous size plus the armor. A live-action 40k movie would need to focus more on the 'little people', which would let them discard more of the post-production absurdities that would otherwise be needed.
 
2017-08-13 01:44:45 AM  
Good, I don't want a two part movie unless it is on TV,. I want a beginning middle and end. Indiana Jones, James Bond, the Fraiser Mummies, a series of movies that work if they are self contained or as a series. The best Star Wars the first trilogy, the crappy ones the prequels. The original cast Star Trek movies, were one time line but unconnected stories.
 
2017-08-13 01:56:25 AM  

BizarreMan: You mean we won't find out that Aquaman, Flash and Cyborg all have mothers named Martha?


Even worse. They face their greatest foe yet: Martha Stewart.
 
2017-08-13 02:15:40 AM  

AntonChigger: Sid_6.7: timujin: Wait, does this mean Snyder won't get to make his dark and gritty "Heroes vs. Darkseid: The Darkest, Grimmest Darkening" movie after all the darkly grim and grimly dark stuff that's been leading up to it?

If Snyder wants grimdark he needs to direct a 40k movie.

But I'll give him credit for Watchmen. He did an amazing job with it.

You know, I can't believe I'm saying this, but Snyder would be PERFECT for a 40k movie, especially if it focuses on the Space Marines. Honestly, just change 300 to a sci-fi setting and you're at least halfway there already.


Nope. I want a 30K movie. Do the Horus Heresy.
 
2017-08-13 02:43:01 AM  

Sid_6.7: COMALite J: a decent Fantastic Four movie.

That's dead at least twice over, sadly. I like to see artistic efforts succeed. We get so much more out of that compared to the failures.


I think people need to accept the fact that the Fantastic Four were cool Silver Age heroes, but they just don't translate well to the modern age.  This is why they fail.
 
2017-08-13 03:23:27 AM  
Anyone see the other ending planned for the first Avengers movie?

The whole movie is bookmarked by Maria Hill having a private conversation with the World Security Council, about how Nick Fury's handling it all wrong, all the mistakes made, the lives lost(with a shot of Iron Man's trashed helm to imply he dies).  When it resumes at the end of the movie, she points out that the biggest mistake was theirs, trying to nuke Manhattan, and that she'll talk about it publicly if they don't behave.

A bit more true to Maria Hill's history, from what I've heard, but a bit stranger for most people.
 
2017-08-13 05:14:01 AM  

Sid_6.7: At least the DC shows are good.


They are? The only one I tried was like a cap show from the 80s, poorly acted and even more poorly scripted. I hope this piece of shut is not characteristic of DC shows, although what I've heard about "Arrows" does not fill me with hope.
 
2017-08-13 05:23:58 AM  

padraig: Sid_6.7: At least the DC shows are good.

They are? The only one I tried was like a cap show from the 80s, poorly acted and even more poorly scripted. I hope this piece of shut is not characteristic of DC shows, although what I've heard about "Arrows" does not fill me with hope.


Arrow is (usually) a good show, a dark crime drama, if one with a bit of a soap opera streak with family secrets and past lovers.

Flash had a great first season, lots of good family stuff, but they've had a trend lately where the hero acts stupidly to advance the plot.  Hoping they fix that soon.

Legends of Tomorrow is weapons grade cheese, but usually a lot of fun.  Lots of groans and laughs.

Supergirl is.. well.. hard to describe.  Especially since it was a CBS show in the first season.
 
2017-08-13 05:52:51 AM  
You can never have enough dead pan dry sarcasm.
 
2017-08-13 07:03:46 AM  

Lord of the Highway: Sid_6.7: COMALite J: a decent Fantastic Four movie.

That's dead at least twice over, sadly. I like to see artistic efforts succeed. We get so much more out of that compared to the failures.

I think people need to accept the fact that the Fantastic Four were cool Silver Age heroes, but they just don't translate well to the modern age.  This is why they fail.


I don't agree with that at all.  The attempts at FF movies have failed because they were poor attempts.  There was too much emphasis on the looks of the superheroes and how trendy it looked with lots of CGI.
Jessica Alba may be fantastic looking, but is a lousy Sue Storm.  Every version of Doctor Doom has been terrible.  The version of Galactus in the Silver Surfer movie was so nauseating that I refuse to ever watch that movie again.  The reboot.. well let's not go there.

A movie like The Incredibles concentrated more on story, how the 4 fit together and challenges they face - and was a far better movie.
 
2017-08-13 07:56:38 AM  

BizarreMan: You mean we won't find out that Aquaman, Flash and Cyborg all have mothers named Martha?


All the same woman.

She faked her death because Batman's dad was secretly abusive and moved to Kansas where she had an open relationship with a farmer.

We'll learn this in Justice League: Womb of Justice.
 
2017-08-13 08:19:34 AM  

Lord of the Highway: Sid_6.7: COMALite J: a decent Fantastic Four movie.

That's dead at least twice over, sadly. I like to see artistic efforts succeed. We get so much more out of that compared to the failures.

I think people need to accept the fact that the Fantastic Four were cool Silver Age heroes, but they just don't translate well to the modern age.  This is why they fail.


They need to make a Fantastic  Four movie that is basically a crazy 60's sci fi movie period piece but done with modern effects. Basically take every crazy Kirby drawing of a machine or a monster or a bunch of spaceships flying through space and use those as your storyboards. Like exactly how they were drawn.
 
2017-08-13 08:25:58 AM  

stk: The Flexecutioner: timujin: Wait, does this mean Snyder won't get to make his dark and gritty "Heroes vs. Darkseid: The Darkest, Grimmest Darkening" movie after all the darkly grim and grimly dark stuff that's been leading up to it?

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2017-08-13 08:36:01 AM  
So much for the "hiring Whedon at the last minute doesn't mean the story will change" theory.
 
2017-08-13 08:59:37 AM  

realmolo: There's pretty much no way this isn't going to suck.

Honestly, of all the superhero movies that have come out since "Iron Man", only a couple of them hold up as good movies. "Winter Soldier" is good. And...hell, I don't even know. So many of the rest are just stupid action flicks, or brooding, self-important action flicks.

It's been said a million times, but the only superhero movie that did almost everything right was "The Incredibles".

It's like people have been fooled into lowering their expectations so much for modern movies that they consider any movie with 10 minutes of "good stuff" to be AWESOME! FIVE STARS! Even if the rest of it is boring filler.


It must suck to be your friend.
 
2017-08-13 09:03:34 AM  
so now it's a grimdark movie where everyone is a wisecracker?
 
2017-08-13 09:21:58 AM  

Lord of the Highway: Sid_6.7: COMALite J: a decent Fantastic Four movie.

That's dead at least twice over, sadly. I like to see artistic efforts succeed. We get so much more out of that compared to the failures.

I think people need to accept the fact that the Fantastic Four were cool Silver Age heroes, but they just don't translate well to the modern age.  This is why they fail.


Counterpoint: Pixar's The Incredibles was a great movie. If you can't imagine how a particular set of characters can translate to cinema, all you're really saying is that you're the wrong person to ask for script ideas.
 
2017-08-13 09:24:05 AM  

BullBearMS: So much for the "hiring Whedon at the last minute doesn't mean the story will change" theory.


Before Snyder had to drop out the studio had already got Whedon to do rewrites and change the story. Snyder would have shot the same scenes, so Whedon taking over won't change the story. It had already changed before they asked him to take over directing.
 
2017-08-13 09:40:38 AM  

suicidejocky: stk: The Flexecutioner: timujin: Wait, does this mean Snyder won't get to make his dark and gritty "Heroes vs. Darkseid: The Darkest, Grimmest Darkening" movie after all the darkly grim and grimly dark stuff that's been leading up to it?

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On one hand, hilarious.

On the other hand, career suicide for anyone involved. Even the caterers.
 
2017-08-13 09:58:04 AM  
The ending will now be a short musical number after the Gorilla Grodd arrives and forces them all to perform his favorite songs from Cabaret.
 
2017-08-13 09:59:07 AM  
Alright we've got a DC movie that needs a new ending. Make it a ....happy ending.

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2017-08-13 10:43:35 AM  
He wasn't willing to accept Superman's lack of moustache?
 
2017-08-13 10:59:31 AM  

TheManofPA: I kind of want a Marvel movie to make a reference to this at some point. Like basically two characters have mother's with different names followed by one noting that it was a missed opportunity for a bonding moment.


Villain: "(pointing at framed pictures in his lair, one of which is labeled with Martha McVillain) My mother always told me I was meant for great things..."
Ant-Man: "Wait wait wait, your mom's name was Martha? MY mom's name was Martha too!"
Villain: "Really?"
Ant-Man: "No , man. How would that even be important right now?"
Villain is visibly caught off-guard
Ant-Man attacks
 
2017-08-13 12:23:18 PM  
I've hated all the DCEU movies so far (and haven't seen Wonder Woman yet, because I won't pay to see it; I'll catch it on HBO eventually), because WB is apparently embarrassed that the source material is comic books, and Snyder is a one-note, boring director who apparently lacks the ability to see colors or pay respect to the source material.

However, the positive things I've heard about Wonder Woman, and Whedon's record with this sort of thing make me think MAYBE the Justice League movie might actually be salvaged.

I still think the Snyderverse Batman is a murderous dick, and Superman is more like Ultraman from the Justice Lords. I still think I'd be amazed if I saw a Justice League movie in which the visuals were not dark, dreary, and desaturated.

I would have loved a DCEU that resembled Young Justice, Justice League Unlimited, or even Batman: The Animated Series. Instead, what I got was a DCEU that looks grim, dismal, and morally ambiguous, with nothing resembling hope, truth, justice, or even actual heroism. I see brutal killing. I see destruction. I see anger and bitterness. I see monsters wearing superhero costumes. I don't see my favorite DC heroes at all.
 
2017-08-13 12:26:46 PM  

The Bunyip: The ending will now be a short musical number after the Gorilla Grodd arrives and forces them all to perform his favorite songs from Cabaret.


No, you're thinking of the universe in which Paul Feig took over directing Justice League.
 
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