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2017-08-12 05:38:52 PM  
13 votes:

FriarReb98: bingethinker: Anything I've heard her sing, it's like she's bellowing as loud as she can. Maybe back off a little. They have amplifiers now.

This was the argument my friend made a few days ago. She's a voice and piano teacher. I would add to it that it's so obvious how many little things she does wrong hi there because she wants to or hasn't been told not to.  I admit, I am sometimes guilty of the same, but I'm not out there making millions, just a couple of grand around Christmas time.


I'm convinced that mainstream music is bereft of anyone who knows what they are doing.
2017-08-12 06:00:47 PM  
10 votes:
Here's the paragraph you clicked to see.
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2017-08-12 05:45:50 PM  
9 votes:
Do they pay that writer by the word?
2017-08-12 05:05:19 PM  
9 votes:
Anything I've heard her sing, it's like she's bellowing as loud as she can. Maybe back off a little. They have amplifiers now.
2017-08-12 07:14:26 PM  
6 votes:

RJReves: The most accomplished "pop" singer ever:
[www.biography.com image 300x170]

Discuss.


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2017-08-12 05:32:38 PM  
6 votes:
If Adele's singing wrong....I don't want to be right.
2017-08-12 06:41:49 PM  
5 votes:

weddingsinger: Don't make me pull this car over: Here's the paragraph you clicked to see.
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The flip of that is when Harry Connick, Jr. was giving advice on American Idol and gave advice to stop... oversinging(?).  (picks up more on point at around 3:30)

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I guess I'd never thought about WHY I liked him other than he's cool and the music is good.  I had no idea he was ever involved with American Idol.  His advice of back off and sing the damn song that was written is amazingly simple and good advice.  I get so tired of all the various made up notes and runs in music but never quite had the words to know what to say about it.  What a great video.  Thanks for posting.  Now I know exactly why I hate Mariah Carey's singing.
2017-08-12 06:32:16 PM  
5 votes:

FriarReb98: RJReves: The most accomplished "pop" singer ever:
[www.biography.com image 300x170]

Discuss.

See above. He was getting into opera when he started getting sick. It's pretty much how he worked up the power so sing half the stuff on Innuendo. I can only dream of having the talent he had.


While a typical vibrato will fluctuate between 5.4 Hz and 6.9 Hz, Mercury's was 7.04 Hz. To look at that in a more scientific way, a perfect sine wave for vibrato assumes the value of 1, which is pretty close to where famous opera singer Luciano Pavarotti sat. Mercury, on the other hand, averaged a value of 0.57, meaning he was vibrating something in his throat even Pavarotti couldn't move.
2017-08-12 06:27:00 PM  
5 votes:

RJReves: The most accomplished "pop" singer ever:
[www.biography.com image 300x170]

Discuss.


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Classically trained opera singer
2017-08-12 06:19:41 PM  
5 votes:
The most accomplished "pop" singer ever:
biography.comView Full Size


Discuss.
2017-08-12 06:14:28 PM  
5 votes:

Don't make me pull this car over: Here's the paragraph you clicked to see.
[img.fark.net image 422x750]


The flip of that is when Harry Connick, Jr. was giving advice on American Idol and gave advice to stop... oversinging(?).  (picks up more on point at around 3:30)

Harry Connick Jr. on singing standards on American Idol
Youtube -QKZ_xp4va0
2017-08-12 05:47:52 PM  
5 votes:
That took a hell of a long time to say that singers are pushing too much and need to relax.
2017-08-12 05:46:51 PM  
5 votes:
Learning how to use your instrument properly without damaging it is difficult. To have a long singing career, you either need years of private coaching, a degree in Vocal Music, or a lot of luck.
2017-08-12 07:52:33 PM  
4 votes:
Sounds like there are some folks with subject matter knowledge on this thread. And others who are just weighing in because they know stuff and dislike Adele.

I'm a professional singer, and work with singers of all ages who manage to keep their voices healthy. Vocal problems are not as simple as "singing too loud".

When I was in college in the '80s, we had a masterclass with a guy who described himself as a "belter", and he had a technique. This is musical theater technique. What he said seemed sound, and as he was in his 40's with a voice that shook the roof, it worked for him.

She may have a bad technique, or not, but even vocal professionals weighing in here are in danger of crossing a sort of Goldwater Rule, where psychology experts are warned against diagnosing symptoms of a politician they've not personally examined. This has been a salient topic of late.

There are a lot of other things that can affect a singer's voice besides bad technique. Colds, allergies, lack of rest, a grueling schedule, singing repeatedly with a bad sound system.

Those other things make them do something like a bench press 30lbs heavier than they should do. Gonna hurt yourself.

Her technique may be fine. Her schedule, and lack of self-care may weigh into the whole thing.
2017-08-12 09:21:33 PM  
3 votes:
Ask Daryl Hall how he still does it at his age.
Too bad Ian Anderson has lost it.
2017-08-12 08:13:40 PM  
3 votes:
More and more singers are cancelling big shows and turning to surgery to fix their damaged vocal cords. But is the problem actually down to the way they sing?

Of farking course it is.  The voice is an instrument.  Abuse it over and over and it will become damaged.  This isn't even an issue for debate.

Properly-trained opera singers can perform for hours at a time, multiple days a week.

Amateurs.
2017-08-12 06:50:39 PM  
3 votes:

brandent: weddingsinger: Don't make me pull this car over: Here's the paragraph you clicked to see.
[img.fark.net image 422x750]

The flip of that is when Harry Connick, Jr. was giving advice on American Idol and gave advice to stop... oversinging(?).  (picks up more on point at around 3:30)

[iFrame https://www.youtube.com/embed/-QKZ_xp4va0 - 480x270]

I guess I'd never thought about WHY I liked him other than he's cool and the music is good.  I had no idea he was ever involved with American Idol.  His advice of back off and sing the damn song that was written is amazingly simple and good advice.  I get so tired of all the various made up notes and runs in music but never quite had the words to know what to say about it.  What a great video.  Thanks for posting.  Now I know exactly why I hate Mariah Carey's singing.


Indeed.  As I think of this, it might be why I like his version of "Don't Get Around Much" over Nat King Cole's which sounds so much peppier and cleaner.

Found another clip with Connick trying to school Jennifer Lopez.

Harry Connick, Jr. Teaches Jennifer Lopez About Pentatonics
Youtube pH9l8KlcuBA
2017-08-12 05:54:14 PM  
3 votes:
Bel canto.
2017-08-12 05:43:57 PM  
3 votes:
I'm not singing, and trust me, you don't want me singing.
2017-08-13 04:08:24 AM  
2 votes:
Twenty years ago. Indiana University Auditorium, a big old cracker box, I'm in the student seats a few yards from the back wall of the upper balcony. Tony Bennett and a trio. Time for a Union break, the musicians step away, but Tony stays for one more number before intermission. Says he loves these big auditoriums, they remind him of the old music halls with sound systems so unreliable he sometimes didn't bother. So, he sets the microphone down, steps front and center. Does "Fly Me to the Moon", a capella - strong and clear, and fills the room. I sat there mesmerized, "Now, that's singing!"
Goose bumps and throat lumps every time I think of it ever since.
2017-08-12 10:30:53 PM  
2 votes:

feanorn: Could we at least start to get some singers who can properly enunciate? Mushmouth must be catching.


Lots of singers (notice I didn't say "musicians") don't realize that their voice gets muffled by instruments and that singing on a stage is different than singing in a small room to yourself.
2017-08-12 10:22:40 PM  
2 votes:
Could we at least start to get some singers who can properly enunciate? Mushmouth must be catching.
2017-08-12 07:40:22 PM  
2 votes:

weddingsinger: brandent: weddingsinger: Don't make me pull this car over: Here's the paragraph you clicked to see.
[img.fark.net image 422x750]

The flip of that is when Harry Connick, Jr. was giving advice on American Idol and gave advice to stop... oversinging(?).  (picks up more on point at around 3:30)

[iFrame https://www.youtube.com/embed/-QKZ_xp4va0 - 480x270]

I guess I'd never thought about WHY I liked him other than he's cool and the music is good.  I had no idea he was ever involved with American Idol.  His advice of back off and sing the damn song that was written is amazingly simple and good advice.  I get so tired of all the various made up notes and runs in music but never quite had the words to know what to say about it.  What a great video.  Thanks for posting.  Now I know exactly why I hate Mariah Carey's singing.

Indeed.  As I think of this, it might be why I like his version of "Don't Get Around Much" over Nat King Cole's which sounds so much peppier and cleaner.

Found another clip with Connick trying to school Jennifer Lopez.

[iFrame https://www.youtube.com/embed/pH9l8KlcuBA - 480x270]


The part where someone thought Jennifer Lopez knew something about music I guess was the first error.  She's a dancer by trade and became barely passable as a singer since pop singer doesn't take a whole bunch if you have looks and can dance.  But using her to judge any kind of serious music talent show seems a bit odd.
2017-08-12 06:45:19 PM  
2 votes:

Don't make me pull this car over: Here's the paragraph you clicked to see.
[img.fark.net image 422x750]


Does the Guardian pay by the word?   One light novel later and the author didn't even get to the point yet.
2017-08-12 06:39:37 PM  
2 votes:

weddingsinger: Don't make me pull this car over: Here's the paragraph you clicked to see.
[img.fark.net image 422x750]

The flip of that is when Harry Connick, Jr. was giving advice on American Idol and gave advice to stop... oversinging(?).  (picks up more on point at around 3:30)

[iFrame https://www.youtube.com/embed/-QKZ_xp4va0 - 480x270]


"Oversinging" is the perfect word.  Harry makes a lot of good points -  just understand the song and sing it.  Making it yours doesn't involve singing 20 notes to hit one, and doing that isn't "improvising".
2017-08-12 06:12:37 PM  
2 votes:
Oh hell, just sing the track and then we'll smear half a jar of Auto-tune all over it.  The rubes lap that sh*t up like whatever it is that people lap up.  Like pancakes.
2017-08-12 05:53:27 PM  
2 votes:

LoneWolf343: FriarReb98: bingethinker: Anything I've heard her sing, it's like she's bellowing as loud as she can. Maybe back off a little. They have amplifiers now.

This was the argument my friend made a few days ago. She's a voice and piano teacher. I would add to it that it's so obvious how many little things she does wrong hi there because she wants to or hasn't been told not to.  I admit, I am sometimes guilty of the same, but I'm not out there making millions, just a couple of grand around Christmas time.

I'm convinced that mainstream music is bereft of anyone who knows what they are doing.


Well, not anyone.
The producers certainly seem to know how to market.
2017-08-12 05:47:33 PM  
2 votes:
ctrl + f: smoke

no matches

She smoked multiple cigarette packs a day for years. On top of that she didn't have training or discipline over her voice as it matured.

She is not a singer. She's a shouter pretending to be a singer.
2017-08-12 05:36:27 PM  
2 votes:

bingethinker: Anything I've heard her sing, it's like she's bellowing as loud as she can. Maybe back off a little. They have amplifiers now.


This was the argument my friend made a few days ago. She's a voice and piano teacher. I would add to it that it's so obvious how many little things she does wrong hi there because she wants to or hasn't been told not to.  I admit, I am sometimes guilty of the same, but I'm not out there making millions, just a couple of grand around Christmas time.
2017-08-13 06:45:47 AM  
1 vote:
Wow! I had no idea that a thread about singing would include the subject of Freddie Mercury's vibrator.
2017-08-13 12:19:57 AM  
1 vote:

ecmoRandomNumbers: feanorn: Could we at least start to get some singers who can properly enunciate? Mushmouth must be catching.

Lots of singers (notice I didn't say "musicians") don't realize that their voice gets muffled by instruments and that singing on a stage is different than singing in a small room to yourself.


They also might not be aware that certain frequencies don't get picked up so well by a particular microphone, or how best to sing into it in order to get enough sound across.

Concerts might be a challenge, but I've never understood why studio recordings are sometimes mixed in such a way as to make the vocals unintelligible.
2017-08-13 12:10:34 AM  
1 vote:
As long as Floor Jansen and Sharon den Adel take care of themselves all will be right with the world...
2017-08-12 09:45:25 PM  
1 vote:
As a karaoke host, I consider myself a leading authority on "singing the wrong way".

If I could sing as wrong as Adele, I wouldn't be a karaoke host.
2017-08-12 09:00:07 PM  
1 vote:
Some folks can't sing at all. But insist on trying.
2017-08-12 08:05:39 PM  
1 vote:

knack: Yeah, to the point that I (personally, and an admitted misphoniac)
///Yes, I made that word up - but it illustrates the point.


Misophonia, is a condition in which negative emotions, thoughts, and physical reactions are triggered by specific sounds. It is also called "select sound sensitivity syndrome". Misophonia can adversely affect ability to achieve life goals and to enjoy social situations. Treatment consists of developing coping strategies such as cognitive behavioral therapy and exposure therapy.

/The struggle is real
2017-08-12 07:22:43 PM  
1 vote:

Terrapin Bound: RJReves:  Mercury, on the other hand, averaged a value of 0.57, meaning he was vibrating something in his throat even Pavarotti couldn't move.

There's a gay joke in there somewhere, but I'm not gonna be the one...


Actually, I'm quite surprised no one has... I thoroughly expected one.
2017-08-12 07:10:34 PM  
1 vote:

RJReves:  Mercury, on the other hand, averaged a value of 0.57, meaning he was vibrating something in his throat even Pavarotti couldn't move.


There's a gay joke in there somewhere, but I'm not gonna be the one...
2017-08-12 06:39:27 PM  
1 vote:

RJReves: FriarReb98: RJReves: The most accomplished "pop" singer ever:
[www.biography.com image 300x170]

Discuss.

See above. He was getting into opera when he started getting sick. It's pretty much how he worked up the power so sing half the stuff on Innuendo. I can only dream of having the talent he had.

While a typical vibrato will fluctuate between 5.4 Hz and 6.9 Hz, Mercury's was 7.04 Hz. To look at that in a more scientific way, a perfect sine wave for vibrato assumes the value of 1, which is pretty close to where famous opera singer Luciano Pavarotti sat. Mercury, on the other hand, averaged a value of 0.57, meaning he was vibrating something in his throat even Pavarotti couldn't move.


However, the forments in the classical voice ring clear. The pop voice generally doesn't have those forments.

/forments
2017-08-12 06:30:04 PM  
1 vote:

RJReves: I sing best solo. Solo no one can hear me.


With me it's more like baseball.  'Aannnd the pitch is low and outside'.
2017-08-12 06:24:25 PM  
1 vote:

Priapetic: So, The Loudness Wars, a capella?


Pretty much.
2017-08-12 06:23:46 PM  
1 vote:
So, The Loudness Wars, a capella?
2017-08-12 06:23:33 PM  
1 vote:

RJReves: The most accomplished "pop" singer ever:
[www.biography.com image 300x170]

Discuss.


See above. He was getting into opera when he started getting sick. It's pretty much how he worked up the power so sing half the stuff on Innuendo. I can only dream of having the talent he had.
2017-08-12 06:06:11 PM  
1 vote:

AstroJesus: Bel canto.


I need to do more reading on it. There's a thing on You Tube somewhere of Pavarotti and Caballo talking about it that I found while looking for stuff about Freddie one time.
2017-08-12 06:05:52 PM  
1 vote:
All of you can't sing. Well, most of you can't.

/professional classical singer
2017-08-12 05:43:55 PM  
1 vote:
Oh, no doubt about that. Everything I do is wrong when I sing. Don't care, I'll strum louder to make up for it.
2017-08-12 05:37:46 PM  
1 vote:
I sing best solo. Solo no one can hear me.
 
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