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2017-08-12 06:47:28 PM  
I blew my voice out singing back at my stereo speakers in my Nirvana fanboy days.  Lost my upper range to a steroidal inhaler.  

Now I have a pretty good old timey blues voice that I use to decent effect with a mic.  Band broke up though.
 
2017-08-12 06:50:39 PM  

brandent: weddingsinger: Don't make me pull this car over: Here's the paragraph you clicked to see.
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The flip of that is when Harry Connick, Jr. was giving advice on American Idol and gave advice to stop... oversinging(?).  (picks up more on point at around 3:30)

[iFrame https://www.youtube.com/embed/-QKZ_xp4va0 - 480x270]

I guess I'd never thought about WHY I liked him other than he's cool and the music is good.  I had no idea he was ever involved with American Idol.  His advice of back off and sing the damn song that was written is amazingly simple and good advice.  I get so tired of all the various made up notes and runs in music but never quite had the words to know what to say about it.  What a great video.  Thanks for posting.  Now I know exactly why I hate Mariah Carey's singing.


Indeed.  As I think of this, it might be why I like his version of "Don't Get Around Much" over Nat King Cole's which sounds so much peppier and cleaner.

Found another clip with Connick trying to school Jennifer Lopez.

Harry Connick, Jr. Teaches Jennifer Lopez About Pentatonics
Youtube pH9l8KlcuBA
 
2017-08-12 07:10:34 PM  

RJReves:  Mercury, on the other hand, averaged a value of 0.57, meaning he was vibrating something in his throat even Pavarotti couldn't move.


There's a gay joke in there somewhere, but I'm not gonna be the one...
 
2017-08-12 07:14:26 PM  

RJReves: The most accomplished "pop" singer ever:
[www.biography.com image 300x170]

Discuss.


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2017-08-12 07:19:09 PM  
I assume the average pop singer doesn't take lessons. How many of them don't know enough to sing from the diaphragm? I'd imagine that this contributes greatly to the problem.
 
2017-08-12 07:22:43 PM  

Terrapin Bound: RJReves:  Mercury, on the other hand, averaged a value of 0.57, meaning he was vibrating something in his throat even Pavarotti couldn't move.

There's a gay joke in there somewhere, but I'm not gonna be the one...


Actually, I'm quite surprised no one has... I thoroughly expected one.
 
2017-08-12 07:40:22 PM  

weddingsinger: brandent: weddingsinger: Don't make me pull this car over: Here's the paragraph you clicked to see.
[img.fark.net image 422x750]

The flip of that is when Harry Connick, Jr. was giving advice on American Idol and gave advice to stop... oversinging(?).  (picks up more on point at around 3:30)

[iFrame https://www.youtube.com/embed/-QKZ_xp4va0 - 480x270]

I guess I'd never thought about WHY I liked him other than he's cool and the music is good.  I had no idea he was ever involved with American Idol.  His advice of back off and sing the damn song that was written is amazingly simple and good advice.  I get so tired of all the various made up notes and runs in music but never quite had the words to know what to say about it.  What a great video.  Thanks for posting.  Now I know exactly why I hate Mariah Carey's singing.

Indeed.  As I think of this, it might be why I like his version of "Don't Get Around Much" over Nat King Cole's which sounds so much peppier and cleaner.

Found another clip with Connick trying to school Jennifer Lopez.

[iFrame https://www.youtube.com/embed/pH9l8KlcuBA - 480x270]


The part where someone thought Jennifer Lopez knew something about music I guess was the first error.  She's a dancer by trade and became barely passable as a singer since pop singer doesn't take a whole bunch if you have looks and can dance.  But using her to judge any kind of serious music talent show seems a bit odd.
 
2017-08-12 07:52:33 PM  
Sounds like there are some folks with subject matter knowledge on this thread. And others who are just weighing in because they know stuff and dislike Adele.

I'm a professional singer, and work with singers of all ages who manage to keep their voices healthy. Vocal problems are not as simple as "singing too loud".

When I was in college in the '80s, we had a masterclass with a guy who described himself as a "belter", and he had a technique. This is musical theater technique. What he said seemed sound, and as he was in his 40's with a voice that shook the roof, it worked for him.

She may have a bad technique, or not, but even vocal professionals weighing in here are in danger of crossing a sort of Goldwater Rule, where psychology experts are warned against diagnosing symptoms of a politician they've not personally examined. This has been a salient topic of late.

There are a lot of other things that can affect a singer's voice besides bad technique. Colds, allergies, lack of rest, a grueling schedule, singing repeatedly with a bad sound system.

Those other things make them do something like a bench press 30lbs heavier than they should do. Gonna hurt yourself.

Her technique may be fine. Her schedule, and lack of self-care may weigh into the whole thing.
 
2017-08-12 07:59:28 PM  
bingethinker: Anything I've heard her sing, it's like she's bellowing as loud as she can. Maybe back off a little. They have amplifiers now.

Yeah, to the point that I (personally, and an admitted misphoniac) can't stand to hear her sing. It physically hurts when people do that bellow stuff - like my ears/head are being penetrated.

/not commenting on whether or not she's talented
//just don't like it and don't see what's so great
///Yes, I made that word up - but it illustrates the point.
 
2017-08-12 08:05:39 PM  

knack: Yeah, to the point that I (personally, and an admitted misphoniac)
///Yes, I made that word up - but it illustrates the point.


Misophonia, is a condition in which negative emotions, thoughts, and physical reactions are triggered by specific sounds. It is also called "select sound sensitivity syndrome". Misophonia can adversely affect ability to achieve life goals and to enjoy social situations. Treatment consists of developing coping strategies such as cognitive behavioral therapy and exposure therapy.

/The struggle is real
 
2017-08-12 08:13:40 PM  
More and more singers are cancelling big shows and turning to surgery to fix their damaged vocal cords. But is the problem actually down to the way they sing?

Of farking course it is.  The voice is an instrument.  Abuse it over and over and it will become damaged.  This isn't even an issue for debate.

Properly-trained opera singers can perform for hours at a time, multiple days a week.

Amateurs.
 
2017-08-12 08:52:16 PM  
My friends always ask me to sing Tenor.... Tenor fifteen miles away...
 
2017-08-12 09:00:07 PM  
Some folks can't sing at all. But insist on trying.
 
2017-08-12 09:10:12 PM  
Unfortunately, we all love to hear a song with the singer giving it everything she's got. It makes the song seem more genuine, the lyrics more truthful.
 
2017-08-12 09:21:33 PM  
Ask Daryl Hall how he still does it at his age.
Too bad Ian Anderson has lost it.
 
2017-08-12 09:29:40 PM  

Smock Pot: Remember:

it should never hurt to sing or fart.


0.o

I'm in trouble...
 
2017-08-12 09:45:25 PM  
As a karaoke host, I consider myself a leading authority on "singing the wrong way".

If I could sing as wrong as Adele, I wouldn't be a karaoke host.
 
2017-08-12 10:07:49 PM  
Not me.

Nodules on the vocal cords are from strain. I taught choir. I can speak in a large room for quite a while without amplification. I had a genius choral pedagogy professor in college. You need enough air behind your voice so you don't tense your vocal cords. Also, for the love of God and Christina Aguilera, don't sing out of your range and stay away from melisma. You sound a mess.
 
2017-08-12 10:22:40 PM  
Could we at least start to get some singers who can properly enunciate? Mushmouth must be catching.
 
2017-08-12 10:30:53 PM  

feanorn: Could we at least start to get some singers who can properly enunciate? Mushmouth must be catching.


Lots of singers (notice I didn't say "musicians") don't realize that their voice gets muffled by instruments and that singing on a stage is different than singing in a small room to yourself.
 
2017-08-12 10:35:23 PM  
"What do mean, that's it? It's farking Stonehenge! Look at the diagram, it's supposed to be 18 meters tall!"
"It says 18mm."
"Right, 18 meters. This thing's so small I could bloody well swallow it. See?"

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2017-08-12 10:58:08 PM  
When Adele gets to the louder parts of "Hello", I can't understand a word. I can believe she's damaging her voice.
 
2017-08-12 11:20:43 PM  

RJReves: FriarReb98: RJReves: The most accomplished "pop" singer ever:
[www.biography.com image 300x170]

Discuss.

See above. He was getting into opera when he started getting sick. It's pretty much how he worked up the power so sing half the stuff on Innuendo. I can only dream of having the talent he had.

While a typical vibrato will fluctuate between 5.4 Hz and 6.9 Hz, Mercury's was 7.04 Hz. To look at that in a more scientific way, a perfect sine wave for vibrato assumes the value of 1, which is pretty close to where famous opera singer Luciano Pavarotti sat. Mercury, on the other hand, averaged a value of 0.57, meaning he was vibrating something in his throat even Pavarotti couldn't move.


Actually an over-fast vibrato is simply an untrained, unappealing vibrato.
 
2017-08-13 12:10:34 AM  
As long as Floor Jansen and Sharon den Adel take care of themselves all will be right with the world...
 
2017-08-13 12:19:57 AM  

ecmoRandomNumbers: feanorn: Could we at least start to get some singers who can properly enunciate? Mushmouth must be catching.

Lots of singers (notice I didn't say "musicians") don't realize that their voice gets muffled by instruments and that singing on a stage is different than singing in a small room to yourself.


They also might not be aware that certain frequencies don't get picked up so well by a particular microphone, or how best to sing into it in order to get enough sound across.

Concerts might be a challenge, but I've never understood why studio recordings are sometimes mixed in such a way as to make the vocals unintelligible.
 
2017-08-13 04:08:24 AM  
Twenty years ago. Indiana University Auditorium, a big old cracker box, I'm in the student seats a few yards from the back wall of the upper balcony. Tony Bennett and a trio. Time for a Union break, the musicians step away, but Tony stays for one more number before intermission. Says he loves these big auditoriums, they remind him of the old music halls with sound systems so unreliable he sometimes didn't bother. So, he sets the microphone down, steps front and center. Does "Fly Me to the Moon", a capella - strong and clear, and fills the room. I sat there mesmerized, "Now, that's singing!"
Goose bumps and throat lumps every time I think of it ever since.
 
2017-08-13 04:24:50 AM  

neapoi: To look at that in a more scientific way, a perfect sine wave for vibrato assumes the value of 1, which is pretty close


1 what?
 
2017-08-13 04:57:11 AM  
Four people can't be wrong
(except ya know when they are)
(but not this time)
The Mamas and Papas - Own Kind of Music
Youtube GzGN-GU7xdY
 
2017-08-13 06:45:47 AM  
Wow! I had no idea that a thread about singing would include the subject of Freddie Mercury's vibrator.
 
2017-08-13 07:02:46 AM  
FTA..."He made no assurances, but told Channel 4's Jon Snow that her surgically repaired voice "sounds smoother now than before"."

Surgery is coming.
 
2017-08-13 07:58:14 AM  

stirfrybry: Wow! I had no idea that a thread about singing would include the subject of Freddie Mercury's vibrator.


Sooo
Bonus?
 
2017-08-13 08:33:23 AM  

Smock Pot: Remember:

it should never hurt to sing or fart.


Clearly you've never experienced a menstruation fart.
 
2017-08-13 08:35:20 AM  

Billy Liar: weddingsinger: Don't make me pull this car over: Here's the paragraph you clicked to see.
[img.fark.net image 422x750]

The flip of that is when Harry Connick, Jr. was giving advice on American Idol and gave advice to stop... oversinging(?).  (picks up more on point at around 3:30)

[iFrame https://www.youtube.com/embed/-QKZ_xp4va0 - 480x270]

"Oversinging" is the perfect word.  Harry makes a lot of good points -  just understand the song and sing it.  Making it yours doesn't involve singing 20 notes to hit one, and doing that isn't "improvising".


So much this. Our chorus directer forbade it.
 
2017-08-13 08:38:10 AM  

CoysOdie: Ask Daryl Hall how he still does it at his age.
Too bad Ian Anderson has lost it.


Ian Anderson is an asshole.

/love me some Jethro Tull
 
2017-08-13 01:13:59 PM  

Don't make me pull this car over: Here's the paragraph you clicked to see.
[img.fark.net image 422x750]


When Lennon was working with Nilsson on the Pussycats album he kept pushing Nilsson to really belt it out gutturally, like Lennon did on Twist and Shout. Nilsson blew out his vocal cords and couldn't sing for a few years after.
 
2017-08-13 01:15:07 PM  

cyberspacedout: ecmoRandomNumbers: feanorn: Could we at least start to get some singers who can properly enunciate? Mushmouth must be catching.

Concerts might be a challenge, but I've never understood why studio recordings are sometimes mixed in such a way as to make the vocals unintelligible.


Check the lyrics. The sound engineer might have been doing them a favour.
 
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