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2017-08-12 12:57:19 PM  
Yeah, well...

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2017-08-12 02:39:02 PM  
From what I can tell, Republicans are mostly about blind adherence to ideology these days. Whatever ideology.
 
2017-08-12 04:42:11 PM  

edmo: Yeah, well...

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Racial integration happened.
 
2017-08-12 04:43:00 PM  

edmo: Yeah, well...

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How far your country has fallen.
 
2017-08-12 04:51:19 PM  
So many assholes to thank for such a spectacular downfall.
 
2017-08-12 05:03:17 PM  
I'd like to thank all the assholes. We have the best assholes, the biggest assholes. You can't get assholes like this anywhere else on earth, folks. Believe me. And that sad thing was sad, let's not forget that while were remembering these amazing assholes that make our country the greatest asshole collection ever, in the history of assholes. People will look back and remember our assholes as the primo, big league asdholes.
 
2017-08-12 05:03:32 PM  

Smoking GNU: edmo: Yeah, well...

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How far your country has fallen.


Why do we fall?

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2017-08-12 05:06:19 PM  
Some of us have been saying that free trade is a bad deal for the United States for well over 2 decades now.  Every time I drive to my father's house  bare 24 miles away, I pass 4 shuttered factories, two of which I used to work at (in the IT departments).  Three of them closed down an went to Mexico (one before the ink was dry on NAFTA), and one that was put out of business by cheap imports from China.

So in short, the Republicans were on the wrong side of this issue as were the Democrats.

But hey, that two major political party system has served us so well in the last few decades.....
 
2017-08-12 05:06:37 PM  
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2017-08-12 05:09:42 PM  

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How could you forget the "arugula" in incidents.
 
2017-08-12 05:15:15 PM  

dittybopper: Some of us have been saying that free trade is a bad deal for the United States for well over 2 decades now.  Every time I drive to my father's house  bare 24 miles away, I pass 4 shuttered factories, two of which I used to work at (in the IT departments).  Three of them closed down an went to Mexico (one before the ink was dry on NAFTA), and one that was put out of business by cheap imports from China.

So in short, the Republicans were on the wrong side of this issue as were the Democrats.

But hey, that two major political party system has served us so well in the last few decades.....


It surely can destroy local economies, but on the plus side, my money goes a LOT farther than it used to, thanks to $15 coffee makers and $20 shirts.  Maybe I'd actually have some savings if I didn't blow all the extra money on avocado toast.

/in the gig economy for 20 years
 
2017-08-12 05:15:43 PM  
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Pendulum's gonna pendul
 
2017-08-12 05:18:55 PM  

dittybopper: Some of us have been saying that free trade is a bad deal for the United States for well over 2 decades now.  Every time I drive to my father's house  bare 24 miles away, I pass 4 shuttered factories, two of which I used to work at (in the IT departments).  Three of them closed down an went to Mexico (one before the ink was dry on NAFTA), and one that was put out of business by cheap imports from China.

So in short, the Republicans were on the wrong side of this issue as were the Democrats.

But hey, that two major political party system has served us so well in the last few decades.....


Free trade has some fine print needed to work.

Namely, trade should be intingent on trade partners holding a bare minimum of ethics including working conditions and liveable wages.

We could be a lot more competitive if we insisted the slave labor making all our products werent, you know, slaves...

When you can pack em into firehazard textile plants and pay them cents a day... yeah, not going to work out.

But then again, billionaires, which our global market serves to exclusively, dont care about your unemployment numbers. But plz do vote republican some more, they love that.
 
2017-08-12 05:32:03 PM  

snowjack: From what I can tell, Republicans are mostly about blind adherence to ideology these days. Whatever ideology.


Not. Even.

They're all about blind ideology when they're out of power; small government this, personal responsibility that. When they're in power however, it's all about power for the sake of power. They'll change the rules, undermine people's voting rights, and stand by the most detestable shiat so long as it means they stay in power. They have no principles, no morals, no ideology.
 
2017-08-12 05:34:00 PM  
Oh. A ditty thread again.

(bails out for the day)
 
2017-08-12 05:34:46 PM  

misanthropicsob: edmo: Yeah, well...

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Racial integration happened.


The Dixiecrats!

They switched parties...
 
2017-08-12 05:34:55 PM  
Yep. And I also seem to remember the Democrats hating NAFTA, so obviously they'll be all in favor of the internecine  trade wars Trump is about to embroil us in.
 
2017-08-12 05:35:12 PM  
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2017-08-12 05:39:20 PM  

weddingsinger: dittybopper: Some of us have been saying that free trade is a bad deal for the United States for well over 2 decades now.  Every time I drive to my father's house  bare 24 miles away, I pass 4 shuttered factories, two of which I used to work at (in the IT departments).  Three of them closed down an went to Mexico (one before the ink was dry on NAFTA), and one that was put out of business by cheap imports from China.

So in short, the Republicans were on the wrong side of this issue as were the Democrats.

But hey, that two major political party system has served us so well in the last few decades.....

It surely can destroy local economies, but on the plus side, my money goes a LOT farther than it used to, thanks to $15 coffee makers and $20 shirts.  Maybe I'd actually have some savings if I didn't blow all the extra money on avocado toast.

/in the gig economy for 20 years


There is a major danger you're not considering:  When you outsource your manufacturing, that's a strategic problem because when you end up in a war where you are dependent on foreign sources for a significant portion of your goods, those foreign nations have disproportionate influence on how you conduct foreign policy against other nations.  And it opens up your supply lines to being attacked.

Imagine if Outer Bophuthatswana assassinated [insert your favorite president here].  Or committed some other clear act of war.   China sends a message saying "You attack our friends, and we're going to brick every part of your infrastructure that we can, and we'll halt all shipments to the US and instruct our  our ships at sea to turn back around".   Instant shortages in a number of goods, some pretty important.

It's kinda funny, switching for a moment, as I was searching old related  posts I ran across this one of mine:

dittybopper  [TotalFark]     2015-05-15 12:41:32 PM      
walkingtall: Ross Perot, I totally forgot how smart that little shiat was.

The guy was smart, but not charismatic, and while he knew what he was doing when it came to business and managing people, he didn't know how to run a political campaign.
Even still, he got something like 19% of the vote.



Instead, now we have Trump, who is the Anti-Perot.
 
2017-08-12 05:43:09 PM  

dittybopper: weddingsinger: dittybopper: Some of us have been saying that free trade is a bad deal for the United States for well over 2 decades now.  Every time I drive to my father's house  bare 24 miles away, I pass 4 shuttered factories, two of which I used to work at (in the IT departments).  Three of them closed down an went to Mexico (one before the ink was dry on NAFTA), and one that was put out of business by cheap imports from China.

So in short, the Republicans were on the wrong side of this issue as were the Democrats.

But hey, that two major political party system has served us so well in the last few decades.....

It surely can destroy local economies, but on the plus side, my money goes a LOT farther than it used to, thanks to $15 coffee makers and $20 shirts.  Maybe I'd actually have some savings if I didn't blow all the extra money on avocado toast.

/in the gig economy for 20 years

There is a major danger you're not considering:  When you outsource your manufacturing, that's a strategic problem because when you end up in a war where you are dependent on foreign sources for a significant portion of your goods, those foreign nations have disproportionate influence on how you conduct foreign policy against other nations.  And it opens up your supply lines to being attacked.

Imagine if Outer Bophuthatswana assassinated [insert your favorite president here].  Or committed some other clear act of war.   China sends a message saying "You attack our friends, and we're going to brick every part of your infrastructure that we can, and we'll halt all shipments to the US and instruct our  our ships at sea to turn back around".   Instant shortages in a number of goods, some pretty important.

It's kinda funny, switching for a moment, as I was searching old related  posts I ran across this one of mine:

dittybopper  [TotalFark]     2015-05-15 12:41:32 PM      
walkingtall: Ross Perot, I totally forgot how smart that little shiat was.

The guy was smart, but not charismatic, and while he knew what he was doing when it came to business and managing people, he didn't know how to run a political campaign.
Even still, he got something like 19% of the vote.


Instead, now we have Trump, who is the Anti-Perot.


Its not a problem, if you avoid war.

But if our country was a house party, war would be the cocaine lines on the glass coffee table.
 
2017-08-12 05:45:02 PM  

dittybopper: Some of us have been saying that free trade is a bad deal for the United States for well over 2 decades now.


Are you kidding? Free trade is great for America. I love going to Wal-Mart and picking up a tshirt for under 5 bucks.

Yeah, we don't manufacture cheap crap here anymore. Who cares? Adapt or die. Besides, factories are bad for the environment. Let Japan and South Korea and China and Vietnam deal with that. It's not like globalization is going away. Read "90% of Everything" if you'd like to know more.

But people losing manufacturing jobs in your neck of the woods doesn't mean free trade is bad. Hell, it means it's working. Capitalism finds and exploits inefficient systems really, really well.
 
2017-08-12 05:46:49 PM  

dittybopper: weddingsinger: dittybopper: Some of us have been saying that free trade is a bad deal for the United States for well over 2 decades now.  Every time I drive to my father's house  bare 24 miles away, I pass 4 shuttered factories, two of which I used to work at (in the IT departments).  Three of them closed down an went to Mexico (one before the ink was dry on NAFTA), and one that was put out of business by cheap imports from China.

So in short, the Republicans were on the wrong side of this issue as were the Democrats.

But hey, that two major political party system has served us so well in the last few decades.....

It surely can destroy local economies, but on the plus side, my money goes a LOT farther than it used to, thanks to $15 coffee makers and $20 shirts.  Maybe I'd actually have some savings if I didn't blow all the extra money on avocado toast.

/in the gig economy for 20 years

There is a major danger you're not considering:  When you outsource your manufacturing, that's a strategic problem because when you end up in a war where you are dependent on foreign sources for a significant portion of your goods, those foreign nations have disproportionate influence on how you conduct foreign policy against other nations.  And it opens up your supply lines to being attacked.

Imagine if Outer Bophuthatswana assassinated [insert your favorite president here].  Or committed some other clear act of war.   China sends a message saying "You attack our friends, and we're going to brick every part of your infrastructure that we can, and we'll halt all shipments to the US and instruct our  our ships at sea to turn back around".   Instant shortages in a number of goods, some pretty important.

It's kinda funny, switching for a moment, as I was searching old related  posts I ran across this one of mine:

dittybopper  [TotalFark]     2015-05-15 12:41:32 PM      
walkingtall: Ross Perot, I totally forgot how smart that little shiat was.

The guy was smart, but not charismat ...


Same issue happens with the raw resources to manufacture those goods.  While 70 years ago we would be talking about steel and rubber, in our modern world we're talking about rare Earth elements to make parts that go into smart phones and solar panels and for electric cars.  Most of that already comes from China (by far most of it).
 
2017-08-12 05:49:47 PM  

Kittypie070: Oh. A ditty thread again.

(bails out for the day)


*follows*

I'd rather look at catbutt
 
2017-08-12 06:14:49 PM  

MurphyMurphy: ut then again, billionaires, which our global market serves to exclusively, dont care about your unemployment numbers. But plz do vote republican some more, they love that.


It's kinda cute that you think it's only a Republican thing.

Who pushed for and received Normalized Trade Relations with China?  Bill Clinton.
Who negotiated and signed NAFTA?  George H. W. Bush, ratified by the Democratically controlled Senate.
Who was negotiating the Trans-Pacific Partnership (in secret, no less)?  Barack Obama.

Both sides do the same thing.  They piss in your eyes and tell you it's Holy Water.  They make you believe that they believe in the same things you do, when in fact they only thing they really believe in is getting elected/reelected.

You think the Democrats are the party of the "little guys"?  The single largest donor in the 2016 election cycle was Thomas Steyer who donated $91 million to the Democrats.  Of the top 5 donors, only 1, Sheldon Adelson, donated to the Republicans.  The other 4 donated solely to Democrats.
https://www.opensecrets.org/overview/topindivs.php

Not that the Republicans are any better:  They negotiated NAFTA, for example.  But the point I'm making is that it's the whole unofficial but very real two-party shadow political system that is killing us.  Both sides *ARE* bad, so don't vote Republican *OR* Democrat.  That's what they want you to do so that they can continue to dominate the political landscape.
 
2017-08-12 06:31:52 PM  

dittybopper: MurphyMurphy: ut then again, billionaires, which our global market serves to exclusively, dont care about your unemployment numbers. But plz do vote republican some more, they love that.

It's kinda cute that you think it's only a Republican thing.

Who pushed for and received Normalized Trade Relations with China?  Bill Clinton.
Who negotiated and signed NAFTA?  George H. W. Bush, ratified by the Democratically controlled Senate.
Who was negotiating the Trans-Pacific Partnership (in secret, no less)?  Barack Obama.

Both sides do the same thing.  They piss in your eyes and tell you it's Holy Water.  They make you believe that they believe in the same things you do, when in fact they only thing they really believe in is getting elected/reelected.

You think the Democrats are the party of the "little guys"?  The single largest donor in the 2016 election cycle was Thomas Steyer who donated $91 million to the Democrats.  Of the top 5 donors, only 1, Sheldon Adelson, donated to the Republicans.  The other 4 donated solely to Democrats.
https://www.opensecrets.org/overview/topindivs.php

Not that the Republicans are any better:  They negotiated NAFTA, for example.  But the point I'm making is that it's the whole unofficial but very real two-party shadow political system that is killing us.  Both sides *ARE* bad, so don't vote Republican *OR* Democrat.  That's what they want you to do so that they can continue to dominate the political landscape.


The point im making is,

Free of regulations, it cant work.

Only one team seems to be on the 'no regulations ever' train,

but please continue with your tired 'both sides are bad' bullshiat.

/we can fix these systems
//but one side is completely subservient to the owners of multinational corporations
 
2017-08-12 07:57:29 PM  

dittybopper: MurphyMurphy: ut then again, billionaires, which our global market serves to exclusively, dont care about your unemployment numbers. But plz do vote republican some more, they love that.

It's kinda cute that you think it's only a Republican thing.

Who pushed for and received Normalized Trade Relations with China?  Bill Clinton.
Who negotiated and signed NAFTA?  George H. W. Bush, ratified by the Democratically controlled Senate.
Who was negotiating the Trans-Pacific Partnership (in secret, no less)?  Barack Obama.

Both sides do the same thing.  They piss in your eyes and tell you it's Holy Water.  They make you believe that they believe in the same things you do, when in fact they only thing they really believe in is getting elected/reelected.

You think the Democrats are the party of the "little guys"?  The single largest donor in the 2016 election cycle was Thomas Steyer who donated $91 million to the Democrats.  Of the top 5 donors, only 1, Sheldon Adelson, donated to the Republicans.  The other 4 donated solely to Democrats.
https://www.opensecrets.org/overview/topindivs.php

Not that the Republicans are any better:  They negotiated NAFTA, for example.  But the point I'm making is that it's the whole unofficial but very real two-party shadow political system that is killing us.  Both sides *ARE* bad, so don't vote Republican *OR* Democrat.  That's what they want you to do so that they can continue to dominate the political landscape.


Nothing we could do - short of bombing ourselves into a new stone age - would push the globalization genie back into the bottle.  That's why it's very important to participate in deals like the TPP, because otherwise they'll just happen without us, and we are either at the table or on the menu.  At least being a party to them means that someone in that room is negotiating for our nation's interests, and at the moment we still have enough power to gain significant leverage to make the deal better for us.  The more we isolate ourselves, the less power we have in those kinds of negotiations.
 
2017-08-12 10:24:03 PM  

dittybopper: Imagine if Outer Bophuthatswana assassinated [insert your favorite president here].  Or committed some other clear act of war.   China sends a message saying "You attack our friends, and we're going to brick every part of your infrastructure that we can, and we'll halt all shipments to the US and instruct our  our ships at sea to turn back around".   Instant shortages in a number of goods, some pretty important.


That goes both ways, We're both each other's largest trading partners by exports and imports, and while we import a lot of toys and electronic devices from them, they import semiconductors and industrial machinery from us.  Basically, we build the machines they need to make the consumer products we buy.

Then there's the financial aspect of it.  The reason China owns about a billion dollars of our debt is that it's the global currency.  They're a communist nation with a history of nationalizing foreign investments, nobody is going to accept their treasury bonds as payment, particularly if they're in a trade war with the US... who has never failed to pay a debt.  Basically they'd have to go back to paying for things in gold.

Finally they'd be cutting themselves off from the world's largest market directly, and indirectly they'd severely limit their access to virtually all the other rich markets in the world if they wanted to keep their products out of our hands.

TLDR; they'd be hurting themselves more than us.
 
2017-08-12 10:59:24 PM  

MattytheMouse: snowjack: From what I can tell, Republicans are mostly about blind adherence to ideology these days. Whatever ideology.

Not. Even.

They're all about blind ideology when they're out of power; small government this, personal responsibility that. When they're in power however, it's all about power for the sake of power. They'll change the rules, undermine people's voting rights, and stand by the most detestable shiat so long as it means they stay in power. They have no principles, no morals, no ideology.


Well to be fair I think we're talking about different groups. I was talking about most Republicans. The followers. I think you're talking about the few in charge.
 
2017-08-12 11:27:10 PM  

edmo: Yeah, well...

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Charles Koch happened.
 
2017-08-13 02:01:43 AM  

dittybopper: MurphyMurphy: ut then again, billionaires, which our global market serves to exclusively, dont care about your unemployment numbers. But plz do vote republican some more, they love that.

It's kinda cute that you think it's only a Republican thing.

Who pushed for and received Normalized Trade Relations with China?  Bill Clinton.
Who negotiated and signed NAFTA?  George H. W. Bush, ratified by the Democratically controlled Senate.
Who was negotiating the Trans-Pacific Partnership (in secret, no less)?  Barack Obama.

Both sides do the same thing.  They piss in your eyes and tell you it's Holy Water.  They make you believe that they believe in the same things you do, when in fact they only thing they really believe in is getting elected/reelected.

You think the Democrats are the party of the "little guys"?  The single largest donor in the 2016 election cycle was Thomas Steyer who donated $91 million to the Democrats.  Of the top 5 donors, only 1, Sheldon Adelson, donated to the Republicans.  The other 4 donated solely to Democrats.
https://www.opensecrets.org/overview/topindivs.php

Not that the Republicans are any better:  They negotiated NAFTA, for example.  But the point I'm making is that it's the whole unofficial but very real two-party shadow political system that is killing us.  Both sides *ARE* bad, so don't vote Republican *OR* Democrat.  That's what they want you to do so that they can continue to dominate the political landscape.


This rational and sourced argument contradicts my personal beliefs and feelings, and as a liberal my feelings are truth. Therefore I banish your argument. I cast BSABSVR and ad hominem, thus negating your proof and logic. You are a bigoted racist, because I say that you are, so nothing that you say can ever be right. Be gone from this echo chamber, and never return.
 
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