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(News.com.au)   "Trump might talk tough when it comes to North Korea, but the reality is the US President can't actually do much at all." Empty words ring hollow   ( news.com.au) divider line
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2017-08-12 03:07:59 AM  
He can order nuke launches himself and no one can stop him.
And once one nuke starts flying, so do the rest in the world, as MAD and alliances kick into action. That is what nukes are for. They either are a deterrent to a sane government against war, or they are the reset button that incinerates the Earth entirely.
 
2017-08-12 03:49:57 AM  
Like I said in previous threads, a nuclear first strike by Trump against North Korea will result in retaliatory second strikes by most other countries against the US and Russia. Well, maybe not the US since most rational actors will know that NK was nuked by Trump and not by the US, but Russia will certainly end up on the shiat lists of over 180 countries and Putin does not want that. He's probably already told Trump not to launch a first strike under any circumstances.
 
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2017-08-12 06:33:27 AM  
He can have North Korea and much of the South blown up.  That's a lot really.
 
2017-08-12 07:20:48 AM  
Well, if there's anything that Trump is, he's he's spiteful.  Tell him he can't do it, and he'll be the first to launch.  He hasn't been able to get the Congress to do his bidding, the courts thwart him, and that leaves the military to obey orders.  I hope there are enough leaders there willing to face court martial to tell him 'no,' and make it stick.
 
2017-08-12 07:54:02 AM  

cherryl taggart: Well, if there's anything that Trump is, he's he's spiteful.  Tell him he can't do it, and he'll be the first to launch.  He hasn't been able to get the Congress to do his bidding, the courts thwart him, and that leaves the military to obey orders.  I hope there are enough leaders there willing to face court martial to tell him 'no,' and make it stick.


Good soldiers know they don't follow immoral orders. Let's hope we have Trump surrounded by many of them.
 
2017-08-12 08:06:53 AM  
North Korean's are already dead, they just don't know it yet.
 
2017-08-12 08:17:54 AM  
Trump should fly out to one of the carriers idling by NK and hold a big party, like Bush did but with a 'fark you' sign instead of mission accomplished
 
2017-08-12 08:18:06 AM  
I'm just hoping we don't look back on this time and say "We knew he wasn't fit to be President.  Why didn't we remove him BEFORE he ______________?"
 
2017-08-12 08:21:35 AM  

Chariset: I'm just hoping we don't look back on this time and say "We knew he wasn't fit to be President.  Why didn't we remove him BEFORE he ______________?"


Assuming we survive long enough to ask, of course.
 
2017-08-12 08:21:41 AM  
Lee blikke maak die meeste geraas.
 
2017-08-12 08:22:20 AM  
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2017-08-12 08:22:32 AM  
You mean the guy who frequently states he will do things '1000 percent' makes other egregious and exaggerated claims? I'm pretty shocked to learn this.
 
2017-08-12 08:24:17 AM  

Deep Contact: North Korean's are already dead, they just don't know it yet.


Everybody's "already dead" - and most of us know it. No one here gets out alive.
 
2017-08-12 08:25:41 AM  
"His bellicose remarks on the North Korean nuclear crisis are likely to make Pyongyang even more nervous, raising the odds of an unintended escalation or misunderstanding."

Diplomacy is for pussies.
 
2017-08-12 08:27:20 AM  

Lost Thought 00: Trump should fly out to one of the carriers idling by NK and hold a big party, like Bush did but with a 'fark you' sign instead of mission accomplished


Yeah - nothing will inspire our men and women in uniform like having a fat, loudmouthed draft dodger swaggering around the deck of an aircraft carrier.
 
2017-08-12 08:30:11 AM  

Pichu0102: He can order nuke launches himself and no one can stop him.
And once one nuke starts flying, so do the rest in the world, as MAD and alliances kick into action. That is what nukes are for. They either are a deterrent to a sane government against war, or they are the reset button that incinerates the Earth entirely.


He can "order" anything he wants, doesn't mean he's going to get it.
 
2017-08-12 08:30:22 AM  
Trump has already signaled his willingness to backtrack by stating that we would retaliate if Guam was targeted.  Guam isn't targeted.  NK has never stated they were going to target Guam. NK has stated they are firing unarmed missiles at the sea in international waters in the vicinity of Guam.  Trump has to be aware that he is drawing a "Red Line" that no one every had any intention of crossing.  NK can still do this and not violate the "Red Line" drawn by Trump and come off as the winners to their population in this absurd dick measuring contest.
 
2017-08-12 08:30:27 AM  

jso2897: Yeah - nothing will inspire our men and women in uniform like having a fat, loudmouthed draft dodger swaggering around the deck of an aircraft carrier.


Might inspire one of them to push him off...
 
2017-08-12 08:32:10 AM  

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2017-08-12 08:35:05 AM  

Deep Contact: North Korean's


North Korean's what?
 
2017-08-12 08:36:52 AM  
"Empty (small) hands wring hollow" also applies.
 
2017-08-12 08:37:02 AM  

RyogaM: NK has never stated they were going to target Guam. NK has stated they are firing unarmed missiles at the sea in international waters in the vicinity of Guam.


NK knows they can't hit Guam. But goddamnit, they are getting really good at hitting the sea. Play to your strengths.
 
2017-08-12 08:37:30 AM  
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2017-08-12 08:39:13 AM  
I assume we still have tactical nukes. A few well placed small ones might be an option. A bad option, but better than ICBM launches.
 
2017-08-12 08:40:22 AM  

Summoner101: Carl Carlson: [img.fark.net image 794x1058]

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Classic. That was honestly the first Weekend Update I've watched since the Dennis Miller era.
 
2017-08-12 08:43:53 AM  

Deep Contact: North Korean's are already dead, they just don't know it yet.


what a North Korean may look like:
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2017-08-12 08:45:07 AM  

TrollingForColumbine: I assume we still have tactical nukes. A few well placed small ones might be an option. A bad option, but better than ICBM launches.


Well it's only a bad option for Koreans, Chinese and Japanese. They're not real people anyway right?
 
2017-08-12 08:45:14 AM  

TrollingForColumbine: I assume we still have tactical nukes. A few well placed small ones might be an option. A bad option, but better than ICBM launches.


Yeah...no.  The response to a nuclear strike won't be in proportion to its relative size.  Using nukes of any kind opens Pandora's box. That's why one has been stupid enough to do so...yet.
That's like saying, "We're totally farked" is better than saying, "We're totally and supremely farked".
 
2017-08-12 08:52:57 AM  
The pro business neoconservative types still have some sway. We're definitely firing missiles, but they'll be conventional. A lot more lucrative for the defense industry to fire 1,000 conventional weapons than 1 or 2 nukes.  Ill advised or not, no military commander will balk at throwing some missiles at the mine fields or artillery emplacements near the dmz. They may lay down in front of a nuke order though.
 
2017-08-12 08:56:13 AM  

mdemon81: TrollingForColumbine: I assume we still have tactical nukes. A few well placed small ones might be an option. A bad option, but better than ICBM launches.

Well it's only a bad option for Koreans, Chinese and Japanese. They're not real people anyway right?


Seriously. The only message using a nuke sends now is that it will be OK for everyone to use them. The near literal opening of Pandora's Box. We've got plenty of conventional explosive smart weapons that'd send a better message quite nicely, I think.
 
2017-08-12 09:13:16 AM  
Best thing to do, schedule talks, DPRK opts out, impose sanctions, and then just farking ignore Lil Fat Kim. Let him have his squandered life style as the pariah he is, they will implode and have China pay for the economic burden unifying a one Korea. (China has supported the DPRK for it's existence the whole time.)
 
2017-08-12 09:13:52 AM  
Trump badly needs a conventional war, he's just terrible at rhetoric and baiting and winds up looking erratic and weak.

I don't have large doubts that Russia is prodding him along. A conflagration in that region, and one that diminishes the US, is super helpful for them.
 
2017-08-12 09:15:45 AM  

Chariset: I'm just hoping we don't look back on this time and say "We knew he wasn't fit to be President.  Why didn't we remove him BEFORE he ______________?"


We've been doing that for awhile now.
 
2017-08-12 09:32:58 AM  

August11: cherryl taggart: Well, if there's anything that Trump is, he's he's spiteful.  Tell him he can't do it, and he'll be the first to launch.  He hasn't been able to get the Congress to do his bidding, the courts thwart him, and that leaves the military to obey orders.  I hope there are enough leaders there willing to face court martial to tell him 'no,' and make it stick.

Good soldiers know they don't follow immoral orders. Let's hope we have Trump surrounded by many of them.


While the US Military is filled with good soldiers and sailors, the good ones know that have they will have three choices.  Follow the orders (even if they are illegal), resign, or face courts martial.  There is no in-between for them, and I really feel for those serving right now.  I'm a Vet and I would hate to be in the military command structure right now serving under the fruitcake we know as the Donald.  The man is nuttier than a fruit cake.

He wants war, badly, and right now is saying that he would have no problem launching military intervention against Venezuela.  I'm thinking that Trump sees war as an extension of his man-hood, and that by being a war-time president he will go down in history as the greatest president ever, even more bigly than Washington.
 
2017-08-12 09:34:54 AM  

NomenousQuandary: Seriously. The only message using a nuke sends now is that it will be OK for everyone to use them. The near literal opening of Pandora's Box. We've got plenty of conventional explosive smart weapons that'd send a better message quite nicely, I think.

That's what they said about the nuclear option in the Senate. Trump believes it worked out quite well.  Harry Reid isn't so sure.
 
2017-08-12 09:48:11 AM  

TrollingForColumbine: I assume we still have tactical nukes. A few well placed small ones might be an option. A bad option, but better than ICBM launches.


What, an NJ golf club?

/poster can't say that can they?
//one may suffice?
///not an expert
 
2017-08-12 09:48:17 AM  
and how many people are going to cover thier own as and say "I tried to stop Trump from launching the missiles, but he fought me off and did it anyway"
 
2017-08-12 09:48:33 AM  

jso2897: Lost Thought 00: Trump should fly out to one of the carriers idling by NK and hold a big party, like Bush did but with a 'fark you' sign instead of mission accomplished

Yeah - nothing will inspire our men and women in uniform like having a fat, loudmouthed draft dodger swaggering around the deck of an aircraft carrier.


Not that you're wrong, but our men and women in uniform overwhelmingly voted for this fat, loudmouthed draft dodger.
 
2017-08-12 09:53:58 AM  
Can't do anything? Three words; War Powers Resolution.

Ignorant farks.
 
2017-08-12 09:55:12 AM  

kkinnison: and how many people are going to cover thier own as and say "I tried to stop Trump from launching the missiles, but he fought me off and did it anyway"


Do we have child soldiers, or wheelchair-bound soldiers? What sort of soldier could doughy, 71 year old, walking heart attack Trump plausibly "fight off"?
 
2017-08-12 09:55:50 AM  
 
2017-08-12 09:57:48 AM  
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2017-08-12 09:58:11 AM  

Pichu0102: He can order nuke launches himself and no one can stop him.
And once one nuke starts flying, so do the rest in the world, as MAD and alliances kick into action. That is what nukes are for. They either are a deterrent to a sane government against war, or they are the reset button that incinerates the Earth entirely.


Trump can order strikes all day long. That doesn't mean he's going to get them. Mattis didn't get where he is by having his head up his ass. In fact Gen. Mattis says he that he prefers to resolve issues over North Korea's missile and nuclear programs through diplomacy; I believe he would be willing to face court martial rather than launching an unprovoked first strike.
 
2017-08-12 10:01:29 AM  

TrollingForColumbine: I assume we still have tactical nukes. A few well placed small ones might be an option. A bad option, but better than ICBM launches.


Tactical nukes are outlawed.  Unless of course you're Israel, who armed fighters with nuclear tipped air-to-ground missiles during the Yom Kippur War.
 
2017-08-12 10:08:47 AM  

Nadie_AZ: [img.fark.net image 425x363]


That is going to be one very messy room.
 
2017-08-12 10:10:21 AM  

Jake Havechek: TrollingForColumbine: I assume we still have tactical nukes. A few well placed small ones might be an option. A bad option, but better than ICBM launches.

Tactical nukes are outlawed.  Unless of course you're Israel, who armed fighters with nuclear tipped air-to-ground missiles during the Yom Kippur War.


Outlawed? Most of the US arsenal is dial-a-yeild. The same type can go from .3-300kT
 
2017-08-12 10:12:05 AM  

Smashed Hat: RyogaM: NK has never stated they were going to target Guam. NK has stated they are firing unarmed missiles at the sea in international waters in the vicinity of Guam.

NK knows they can't hit Guam. But goddamnit, they are getting really good at hitting the sea. Play to your strengths.


It could be a problem if they aim for the sea but miss.
 
2017-08-12 10:12:46 AM  

Dakai: August11: cherryl taggart: Well, if there's anything that Trump is, he's he's spiteful.  Tell him he can't do it, and he'll be the first to launch.  He hasn't been able to get the Congress to do his bidding, the courts thwart him, and that leaves the military to obey orders.  I hope there are enough leaders there willing to face court martial to tell him 'no,' and make it stick.

Good soldiers know they don't follow immoral orders. Let's hope we have Trump surrounded by many of them.

While the US Military is filled with good soldiers and sailors, the good ones know that have they will have three choices.  Follow the orders (even if they are illegal), resign, or face courts martial.  There is no in-between for them, and I really feel for those serving right now.  I'm a Vet and I would hate to be in the military command structure right now serving under the fruitcake we know as the Donald.  The man is nuttier than a fruit cake.

He wants war, badly, and right now is saying that he would have no problem launching military intervention against Venezuela.  I'm thinking that Trump sees war as an extension of his man-hood, and that by being a war-time president he will go down in history as the greatest president ever, even more bigly than Washington.


yea, where the hell did that come from?  what the hell do we need military intervention in Venezuela for?

My understanding is they owe us money; there seem to be better ways to get it back/capture resources than sending in the marines.

Just trade them TP for oil; it sounds like a shiatty deal for them but they don't have anything to deal with shiatty things at the moment.
 
2017-08-12 10:13:41 AM  

Dave The Slushy: Jake Havechek: TrollingForColumbine: I assume we still have tactical nukes. A few well placed small ones might be an option. A bad option, but better than ICBM launches.

Tactical nukes are outlawed.  Unless of course you're Israel, who armed fighters with nuclear tipped air-to-ground missiles during the Yom Kippur War.

Outlawed? Most of the US arsenal is dial-a-yeild. The same type can go from .3-300kT


Well yeah, but it's not like Bush could have given the okay to use one in Iraq to take out a military installation or ammo dump.
 
2017-08-12 10:19:34 AM  

acad1228: Pichu0102: He can order nuke launches himself and no one can stop him.
And once one nuke starts flying, so do the rest in the world, as MAD and alliances kick into action. That is what nukes are for. They either are a deterrent to a sane government against war, or they are the reset button that incinerates the Earth entirely.

Trump can order strikes all day long. That doesn't mean he's going to get them. Mattis didn't get where he is by having his head up his ass. In fact Gen. Mattis says he that he prefers to resolve issues over North Korea's missile and nuclear programs through diplomacy; I believe he would be willing to face court martial rather than launching an unprovoked first strike.


I thought Mattis was retired?
 
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