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(The New York Times)   Leaked report could force Trump to choose between science and his base. Science is doomed   ( nytimes.com) divider line
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2017-08-09 03:25:08 AM  
You can use science to prove anything that's even remotely true.
 
2017-08-09 05:01:25 AM  
I don't know what you folks are on about. It gets warmer, it gets colder, that's just the way things happen. Humans have nothing to do with it, or at least I don't since I got an automatic thermostat.
 
2017-08-09 05:03:24 AM  
why did this country elect someone who is extremely hostile to facts that he just doesn't want to hear....?  this seems destined for disaster.
 
2017-08-09 05:25:27 AM  
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2017-08-09 07:11:05 AM  
Is a "leaked report" the sound of hooker pee?
 
2017-08-09 07:22:49 AM  
Leaked report from an anomalous source no doubt.
 
2017-08-09 07:51:56 AM  

Weaver95: why did this country elect someone who is extremely hostile to facts that he just doesn't want to hear....?  this seems destined for disaster.


Why? Because you're a country that is extremely hostile to facts.
 
2017-08-09 07:52:03 AM  
It was already doomed.
 
2017-08-09 07:52:10 AM  
Science is all about Discovery.  So is a prosecutor.
 
2017-08-09 07:52:12 AM  
Well, the answer is clear. FIRE ALL THE SCIENTISTS!
 
2017-08-09 07:52:55 AM  
The impending release of a key government report on climate change will force President Trump to choose between accepting the conclusions of his administration's scientists and the demands of his conservative supporters

Gee, I wonder which he'll go for?
 
2017-08-09 07:53:09 AM  
Subby says that like there's some doubt which he'll choose.
 
2017-08-09 07:54:54 AM  
Article says his base is "deeply unconvinced" about the science, which vastly overestimates their capacity for thought. His base is STIGGINIT.
 
2017-08-09 07:55:48 AM  

TheMarchHare: Weaver95: why did this country elect someone who is extremely hostile to facts that he just doesn't want to hear....?  this seems destined for disaster.

Why? Because you're a country that is extremely hostile to facts.


No, we have a system of electing Representatives that is skewed heavily towards representing the common clay of the new west. Thanks slavery!
 
2017-08-09 07:56:47 AM  
He's going to choose his base.  Next topic.
 
2017-08-09 07:59:11 AM  
Trump's butthole needs some lotion
Demeanor's just so vinegar-y
He'll tweet 'bout the commotion
And revel in some hooker pee

He's blinded to all science
(He's blinded to all science!)
 
2017-08-09 08:00:22 AM  

fusillade762: You can use science to prove anything that's even remotely true.


Oh yeah?  Prove it.
 
2017-08-09 08:03:33 AM  
Maybe Science should start flattering him on Twitter.
 
2017-08-09 08:13:52 AM  

Catlenfell: Maybe Science should start flattering him on Twitter.


This. If they'd named the report the Tremendous Trump Report on Bigly Weather Differentials he'd be all over it.
 
2017-08-09 08:27:52 AM  

Brandyelf: Catlenfell: Maybe Science should start flattering him on Twitter.
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This. If they'd named the report the Tremendous Trump Report on Bigly Weather Differentials he'd be all over it.


Then they should. I don't care what it's called, if it helps get more people (extremely stupid or no)  on board with the truth, then I don't care if it soothes his ego one bit. He's got a limited shelf life and this is for the bigger picture that will remain.
 
2017-08-09 08:29:18 AM  

Weaver95: why did this country elect someone who is extremely hostile to facts that he just doesn't want to hear....?  this seems destined for disaster.


See, you have to understand people. We, on the whole, prefer to hear things that are nice, complimentary and praising of our accomplishments. Electing Trump is merely an extension of that - He thinks about the deals and big pictures! Everything that makes him money makes US money, because he's a job creator. He only hires the BEST people, and he only supports the BEST theories. Since those theories usually make us feel better, of COURSE we like him.

/feel dirty even typing that.
 
2017-08-09 08:33:23 AM  
I see it's Climate Change Wednesday on Fark...
 
2017-08-09 08:34:00 AM  
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/What a Trump climate report may look like
 
2017-08-09 08:35:38 AM  

wildcardjack: [i.ytimg.com image 850x637]


Welcome to you are doom?  And why is doom in quotes?

/best show ever
//
 
2017-08-09 08:36:52 AM  
tell him it says his "hair" is going to get more bigly blown around.
 
2017-08-09 08:45:21 AM  
I thought this was old news.  I heard about it last week.  Nothing came of it. He will just ignore that it leaked so he doesn't have to address it
 
2017-08-09 08:49:16 AM  

GuyFawkes: wildcardjack: [i.ytimg.com image 850x637]

Welcome to you are doom?  And why is doom in quotes?

/best show ever
//


Well, you signed off on the proofs, so...
 
2017-08-09 08:52:05 AM  

Weaver95: why did this country elect someone who is extremely hostile to facts that he just doesn't want to hear....?  this seems destined for disaster.


His voters can relate to it.
 
2017-08-09 09:01:50 AM  

agent00pi: GuyFawkes: wildcardjack: [i.ytimg.com image 850x637]

Welcome to you are doom?  And why is doom in quotes?

/best show ever
//

Well, you signed off on the proofs, so...


Hah!  That was going to be my second slashie but I hit "Add Comment" too quickly!

/Tell him to give me "Cat Party" or it's going to be talon party. At your face's house.
//Barnaby Jones!
 
2017-08-09 09:02:09 AM  
Maybe global warming will help balance out the nuclear winter.
 
2017-08-09 09:13:46 AM  

Hoblit: Brandyelf: Catlenfell: Maybe Science should start flattering him on Twitter.
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This. If they'd named the report the Tremendous Trump Report on Bigly Weather Differentials he'd be all over it.

Then they should. I don't care what it's called, if it helps get more people (extremely stupid or no)  on board with the truth, then I don't care if it soothes his ego one bit. He's got a limited shelf life and this is for the bigger picture that will remain.


The trouble is, if you're really devoted to seeking truth (as any proper scientist should be), you need Oscar-worthy acting skills to spout all that insincere flattery at someone who is one of the least deserving of flattery persons on the planet.
 
2017-08-09 09:23:05 AM  
Science was doomed beforehand; that's why they published the report; nothing to lose.

That's why I'm actually worried about North Korea.
 
2017-08-09 09:28:20 AM  
People who fanatically hold a belief will not have their minds changed, regardless of the evidence.  At some point for them, it becomes less about the content of the belief, and more about the obsession with holding on to that belief.  They'll manufacture an unending series of "what ifs" and conspiracies, not matter how convoluted, to keep the belief intact.

"The moon landings are fake because yada yada yada".
"Um, you do realize that your theory there would require thousand upon thousands of people, spread across the country, working in perfect harmony, on hundreds of different projects, in complete secrecy, where even one break in the conspiracy would likely bring the whole thing to its knees?"

Same thing with religion.  A time machine could be built, and recordings of meetings between Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John, holding brainstorming meetings about how to best gain power and continue controlling the populace through a planned update of the original control-document, and people would say, "That's what Satan WANTS you to think".  Or, more recently, irrefutable evidence that antivax shiat is made up, homeopathy is crap, Trump/Russia collusion didn't happen, or non-GMO foods in absolutely no way superior or safer than GMO food.

There's nothing you can do to convince fanatics that their crazy beliefs just aren't true.
 
2017-08-09 09:29:46 AM  
trump has met many of his supporters. trump has never met science. Decision:
 
2017-08-09 09:34:11 AM  
It already was.
 
2017-08-09 09:35:52 AM  

GDubDub: People who fanatically hold a belief will not have their minds changed, regardless of the evidence.  At some point for them, it becomes less about the content of the belief, and more about the obsession with holding on to that belief.  They'll manufacture an unending series of "what ifs" and conspiracies, not matter how convoluted, to keep the belief intact.

"The moon landings are fake because yada yada yada".
"Um, you do realize that your theory there would require thousand upon thousands of people, spread across the country, working in perfect harmony, on hundreds of different projects, in complete secrecy, where even one break in the conspiracy would likely bring the whole thing to its knees?"

Same thing with religion.  A time machine could be built, and recordings of meetings between Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John, holding brainstorming meetings about how to best gain power and continue controlling the populace through a planned update of the original control-document, and people would say, "That's what Satan WANTS you to think".  Or, more recently, irrefutable evidence that antivax shiat is made up, homeopathy is crap, Trump/Russia collusion didn't happen, or non-GMO foods in absolutely no way superior or safer than GMO food.

There's nothing you can do to convince fanatics that their crazy beliefs just aren't true.


Well done, slipping that "Trump/Russia collusion didn't happen" in there, but it might be too subtle to get many bites.  4/10
 
2017-08-09 09:38:22 AM  
"evidence for a changing climate abounds, from the top of the atmosphere to the depths of the oceans"

Let's see how much evidence they have that we're causing it.
 
2017-08-09 09:41:15 AM  

GDubDub: People who fanatically hold a belief will not have their minds changed, regardless of the evidence.  At some point for them, it becomes less about the content of the belief, and more about the obsession with holding on to that belief.  They'll manufacture an unending series of "what ifs" and conspiracies, not matter how convoluted, to keep the belief intact.

"The moon landings are fake because yada yada yada".
"Um, you do realize that your theory there would require thousand upon thousands of people, spread across the country, working in perfect harmony, on hundreds of different projects, in complete secrecy, where even one break in the conspiracy would likely bring the whole thing to its knees?"

Same thing with religion.  A time machine could be built, and recordings of meetings between Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John, holding brainstorming meetings about how to best gain power and continue controlling the populace through a planned update of the original control-document, and people would say, "That's what Satan WANTS you to think".  Or, more recently, irrefutable evidence that antivax shiat is made up, homeopathy is crap, Trump/Russia collusion didn't happen, or non-GMO foods in absolutely no way superior or safer than GMO food.

There's nothing you can do to convince fanatics that their crazy beliefs just aren't true.


Wait, why did you slip a conspiracy theory in there?
 
2017-08-09 09:52:47 AM  

WelldeadLink: "evidence for a changing climate abounds, from the top of the atmosphere to the depths of the oceans"

Let's see how much evidence they have that we're causing it.


What evidence, exactly, would cause you to change your mind?

A handwritten note from God blazing in the sky, saying "Hey, guys, it's not me."?
 
2017-08-09 10:06:41 AM  

fusillade762: You can use science to prove anything that's even remotely true.


You can use propaganda and either pick data, or deliberately misrepresent (make up) data.  Science requires a certain emotional detachment from your preconceived ideas about the world as it is.   Politics in the best sense needs to bridge our values as a society (metaphysics), with science to improve policy and get the best outcomes.  Cutting taxes for the wealthy, eliminating dozens of great programs, and demolishing the health care systems are well known to be strongly negative for the majority of Americans.  So we are talking about a President who considers ordinary humans as entirely disposable, and tens of thousands of elderly and disabled children and adults are acceptable collateral damage for these policies.  Do you think he gives a crap what science says?  He still has a few years of bragging in the country club house between the back and front 9.  That's way more important than the stupid environment or human life.
 
2017-08-09 10:09:15 AM  

Weaver95: why did this country elect someone who is extremely hostile to facts that he just doesn't want to hear....?  this seems destined for disaster.


As I posted in another thread, republicans have been cutting education spending for decades for a reason.

Education creates liberals -  ignorance creates anger.
 
2017-08-09 10:10:25 AM  
If Trump was even slightly clever, he'd go on Fox News and decry the liberal conspiracy to shut down all business in the name of climate change, then an hour later go on CNBC and talk about investing in renewable energy. It's not his idiot base would ever see those segments and on the chance that they did, he can just claim FAKE NEWS and say that they took his comments out of context.
 
2017-08-09 10:13:17 AM  
The eco-terrorists are some of the craziest nuts out there.
This may have a benefit for us.
 
2017-08-09 10:16:47 AM  

Commander Lysdexic: [img.fark.net image 624x331]
/What a Trump climate report may look like


For some reason, the bit with "Hilliary" apparently bleeding from her wherever was what got the chuckle out of me. Not only because it seems like the sort of thing that he would fixate on, but because it would imply he doesn't know she hasn't been doing that for probably a decade or s...

Wait. Oh my God. Did he think that was what she was doing at the debates, when she was late coming out of the bathroom? The thing he "didn't want to talk about"? BAHAHAHA. I'll just bet that was it. It did seem odd that he'd make such a big deal out of number one or number two, but if he thought it was number three... snrk. Wow, every time I think I've plumbed the depth of his ignorance, I realize it goes derper.
 
2017-08-09 10:20:45 AM  

stevecore: I thought this was old news.  I heard about it last week.  Nothing came of it. He will just ignore that it leaked so he doesn't have to address it


The story, titled "Scientists fear Trump will dismiss blunt climate report," said the draft report "has not yet been made public" but "a copy of it was obtained by The New York Times."
The paper also said "those who challenge scientific data on human-caused climate change" are worried the report will be publicly released.
But those who worked on the report are pushing back against the claims, saying the version that was obtained and posted in full by the New York Times has actually been online and available to the public for months.

The NY Times lying?

This is my shocked face.jpeg
 
2017-08-09 10:48:22 AM  

ds615: The eco-terrorists are some of the craziest nuts out there.
This may have a benefit for us.


I would really hate to see it come to that - but at some point, humanity has the right to defend itself against a greedy handful who would literally sacrifice us all for their own wealth.
 
2017-08-09 11:26:27 AM  

Eddie Adams from Torrance: If Trump was even slightly clever, he'd go on Fox News and decry the liberal conspiracy to shut down all business in the name of climate change, then an hour later go on CNBC and talk about investing in renewable energy. It's not his idiot base would ever see those segments and on the chance that they did, he can just claim FAKE NEWS and say that they took his comments out of context.


He's not that clever.  If he were, he would realize that congress is only a slight majority GOP, and that his veto power means a lot.  Instead he rubber stamps whatever garbage Ryan/McConnel send over.  From where I sit, he likes the title but hates the responsibility, management of people, sharing power, and would be happier in retirement playing golf.
 
2017-08-09 11:37:43 AM  

GDubDub: There's nothing you can do to convince fanatics that their crazy beliefs just aren't true.


There's probably nothing I can say or do to convince you that may not be true.
 
2017-08-09 12:29:59 PM  
Raping the earth is to much to fun to stop and think twice about.
 
2017-08-09 01:18:34 PM  

EwoksSuck: Raping the earth is to much to fun to stop and think twice about.


Maybe earth needs to just lay back and enjoy it.
 
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