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(The Raw Story)   The ACLU and the SLPC apparently got ahold of an HBOGo password and watched some old John Oliver episodes as they file suit against a pretrial services company that kept people in jail even after they'd posted bail unless they paid thousands in fees   ( rawstory.com) divider line
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2017-08-08 02:38:08 PM  
Jebus Farking Christ... how long has this shiat been going on?
 
2017-08-08 02:56:53 PM  
Between jailing rape victims to compel testimony and now this, Louisiana just has some serious issues regarding their "justice" system.
 
2017-08-08 03:08:58 PM  

real_headhoncho: Jebus Farking Christ... how long has this shiat been going on?


Since at least Dickensian times?
 
2017-08-08 03:13:52 PM  
Bail: Last Week Tonight with John Oliver (HBO)
Youtube IS5mwymTIJU


ACLU and SPLC can't find YouTube?
 
2017-08-08 03:20:04 PM  
Private prisons and private prison services are some of the most corrupt businesses in America.  In PA, they bribed juvenile judges to send them children to incarcerate.

Hell is too good for them.
 
2017-08-08 03:20:19 PM  
Kaiasha White...

I'm sure they concluded she must have been guilty of something.
 
2017-08-08 03:30:19 PM  
I think you can actually see that segment for free on YouTube.
 
2017-08-08 03:31:58 PM  

Anastacya: Between jailing rape victims to compel testimony and now this, Louisiana just has some serious issues regarding their "justice" system.


Louisiana is also the first state to make crimes against police officers count as hate crimes. Y'know, things like assaulting a cop's fist with your nose or assaulting a cop's steel-toed boot with your genitals.
 
2017-08-08 03:31:58 PM  

Marcus Aurelius: Private prisons and private prison services are some of the most corrupt businesses in America.  In PA, they bribed juvenile judges to send them children to incarcerate.

Hell is too good for them.


Are these children sent to work the salt mines after their stay on Pleasure Island?

OtherLittleGuy: [iFrame https://www.youtube.com/embed/IS5mwymTIJU - 480x270]

ACLU and SPLC can't find YouTube?


Internetting is hard

Bith Set Me Up: Since at least Victorian times?


FTFY
 
2017-08-08 03:40:17 PM  
Why does the ACLU and the SLPC hate our freedoms?
 
2017-08-08 03:40:55 PM  
This judge deserves nothing less than life in prison.
 
2017-08-08 03:43:01 PM  
End cash bail.
 
2017-08-08 03:43:42 PM  

bluenovaman: This judge deserves nothing less than life in prison.


Nope.  Penalty for corrupt cops, prosecutors, and judges should be death.
 
2017-08-08 03:45:27 PM  
A great charity where your money goes directly to getting people out of pre-trial jail.

The Chicago Community Bond Fund (CCBF) pays bond for people charged with crimes in Cook County, Illinois. Through a revolving fund, CCBF supports individuals whose communities cannot afford to pay the bonds themselves and who have been impacted by structural violence. Inability to pay bond results in higher rates of conviction, longer sentences, loss of housing and jobs, separation of families, and lost custody of children. By paying bond, CCBF restores the presumption of innocence before trial and enables recipients to remain free while fighting their cases. CCBF also engages in public education about the role of bond in the criminal legal system and advocates for the abolition of money bond. CCBF is committed to longterm relationship building and organizing with people most directly impacted by criminalization and policing.

Link
 
2017-08-08 03:46:26 PM  

Diogenes: Kaiasha White...

I'm sure they concluded she must have been guilty of something.


Google image search Cleve Dunn, the owner of the company.
 
2017-08-08 03:46:51 PM  

Satanic_Hamster: bluenovaman: This judge deserves nothing less than life in prison.

Nope.  Penalty for corrupt cops, prosecutors, and judges should be death.


It's not corruption, it's PRIVATIZATION. There's a difference.
 
2017-08-08 03:47:14 PM  

Diogenes: Kaiasha White...

I'm sure they concluded she must have been guilty of something.


Guilty of being arrested.
 
2017-08-08 03:49:33 PM  

Marcus Aurelius: Private prisons and private prison services are some of the most corrupt businesses in America.  In PA, they bribed juvenile judges to send them children to incarcerate.

Hell is too good for them.


Their first mistake was to allow juveniles to be judges.
 
2017-08-08 03:49:38 PM  

Marcus Aurelius: Private prisons and private prison services are some of the most corrupt businesses in America.  In PA, they bribed juvenile judges to send them children to incarcerate.

Hell is too good for them.


Private, for-profit prisons are probably why we have the biggest prison population in the world. Incarceration and rehabilitation of criminals is one of the proper functions of government. Adding a profit motive to prisons creates an environment that favors high rates of recidivism and ever-tougher sentencing instead of focusing on rehab to get those rates way down. How we ended up with a for-profit system like this I have no idea.
 
2017-08-08 03:50:22 PM  
The owner of the company is on the right:

i.ytimg.com

The judge in question:

bloximages.newyork1.vip.townnews.com


Since I think we can rule out race as an issue, what we have here appears to be good old fashioned greed and political corruption.
 
2017-08-08 03:50:55 PM  

Dusk-You-n-Me: A great charity where your money goes directly to getting people out of pre-trial jail.

The Chicago Community Bond Fund (CCBF) pays bond for people charged with crimes in Cook County, Illinois. Through a revolving fund, CCBF supports individuals whose communities cannot afford to pay the bonds themselves and who have been impacted by structural violence. Inability to pay bond results in higher rates of conviction, longer sentences, loss of housing and jobs, separation of families, and lost custody of children. By paying bond, CCBF restores the presumption of innocence before trial and enables recipients to remain free while fighting their cases. CCBF also engages in public education about the role of bond in the criminal legal system and advocates for the abolition of money bond. CCBF is committed to longterm relationship building and organizing with people most directly impacted by criminalization and policing.

Link


Can't say enough good things about these people.   Most people don;t realize that when you go to a bail bondsman you pay a fee for that bail bond that can be up to 10% of the bail set (which, thanks to the existence of bailbondsmen is set higher than most people can afford)   and you don;t get that money back, no matter what happens, so just being arrested can cost someone several thousand dollars.   In  a world where most Americans don;t even have $2K in savings that's a significant financial hit for someone who may be completely innocent to take.  Add these predatory scumbags on top of it and often times taking a guilty plea and doing 18 months is cheaper and less devastating to your life than waiting a year or so for trial and being found innocent.   That is no way to run a "justice" system
 
2017-08-08 03:51:48 PM  

facepalm.jpg: Satanic_Hamster: bluenovaman: This judge deserves nothing less than life in prison.

Nope.  Penalty for corrupt cops, prosecutors, and judges should be death.

It's not corruption, it's PRIVATIZATION. There's a difference.


Privatization should be outlawed as well.  But where you have privatization, you also tend to end up with corruption.  Look at that judge in Pennsylvania.
 
2017-08-08 03:51:52 PM  

facepalm.jpg: Satanic_Hamster: bluenovaman: This judge deserves nothing less than life in prison.

Nope.  Penalty for corrupt cops, prosecutors, and judges should be death.

It's not corruption, it's PRIVATIZATION. There's a difference.


Yeah! Corruption is when bigwig government officials get the money; Privatization is when corporate bigwigs get the money.
 
2017-08-08 03:52:20 PM  

Marcus Aurelius: Private prisons and private prison services are some of the most corrupt businesses in America.  In PA, they bribed juvenile judges to send them children to incarcerate.

Hell is too good for them.


Bribery? They're just spreading the justice.
 
2017-08-08 03:53:13 PM  

Dusk-You-n-Me: End cash bail.


That shiat bag Rand Paul (along with Kamala Harris) just introduced a bill to do so.
 
2017-08-08 03:55:45 PM  

gar1013: Since I think we can rule out race as an issue, what we have here appears to be good old fashioned greed and political corruption.


I'm confused ... if a white person and a black person both commit the identical crime with the identical victims, your assessment of the situation is different solely because the perps, in this case, are both black?
 
2017-08-08 03:56:10 PM  

JonBuck: Marcus Aurelius: Private prisons and private prison services are some of the most corrupt businesses in America.  In PA, they bribed juvenile judges to send them children to incarcerate.

Hell is too good for them.

Private, for-profit prisons are probably why we have the biggest prison population in the world. Incarceration and rehabilitation of criminals is one of the proper functions of government. Adding a profit motive to prisons creates an environment that favors high rates of recidivism and ever-tougher sentencing instead of focusing on rehab to get those rates way down. How we ended up with a for-profit system like this I have no idea.


It only to insure that the law is being enforced.
 
2017-08-08 03:56:16 PM  
 
2017-08-08 03:57:25 PM  

Marcus Aurelius: Private prisons and private prison services are some of the most corrupt businesses in America.  In PA, they bribed juvenile judges to send them children to incarcerate.

Hell is too good for them.


"Judge" Mark Ciavarella took 2.2 million dollars to ruin several thousand young lives.  Thankfully he's serving a 28 year old sentence and will die in prison. (albeit a minimum security facitility)  How the fark do you get away with this and only get sentenced to a federal country club setting?

http://nypost.com/2014/02/23/film-details-teens-struggles-in-state-de​t​ention-in-payoff-scandal/

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kids_for_cash_scandal

There's even a movie "Kids for Cash" that was released in 2014.
 
2017-08-08 04:01:16 PM  

real_headhoncho: Jebus Farking Christ... how long has this shiat been going on?


I remember a slightly different version of this in Georgia in 1980's. The firms got a bit greedy, so they got their hand slapped. They switched gears and now work on the Probation side of things now (with most of the same abuses).
 
2017-08-08 04:01:20 PM  

BunkyBrewman: Marcus Aurelius: Private prisons and private prison services are some of the most corrupt businesses in America.  In PA, they bribed juvenile judges to send them children to incarcerate.

Hell is too good for them.

"Judge" Mark Ciavarella took 2.2 million dollars to ruin several thousand young lives.  Thankfully he's serving a 28 year old sentence and will die in prison. (albeit a minimum security facitility)  How the fark do you get away with this and only get sentenced to a federal country club setting?


He is both white and rich (and we know exactly how he made his money, too).
 
2017-08-08 04:04:51 PM  

Crazy Lee: And, on a related note:

http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/pennsylvania-seeks-close-books-kid​s-cash-scandal-n408666


Wow, 18 months for the guy bribing justice, sure sounds like justice served...
 
2017-08-08 04:08:14 PM  

gar1013: The owner of the company is on the right:

[i.ytimg.com image 196x110]

The judge in question:

[bloximages.newyork1.vip.townnews.com image 850x566]


Since I think we can rule out race as an issue, what we have here appears to be good old fashioned greed and political corruption.


Not the first time, won't be the last
 
2017-08-08 04:09:44 PM  

harleyquinnical: Bith Set Me Up: Since at least Victorian times 1188?


FTFY


FTFY
 
2017-08-08 04:12:11 PM  
And I've talked to so many MAGA-heads that hate, and I mean HATE the ACLU and consider them the cancer of America. Frankly, to me the ACLU is one of the few examples of our Democracy still functioning

So many American't don't understand that we only have our Freedoms and Protections under the Constitution so long as we are willing to stand up for them. They would literally have their fellow Citizens lay down and take it any which way Corporations and the Government want to give it

Knowing the ACLU exists and is working hard to protect the People from the lawlessness and fascism that is running rampant at all levels of Government is one of the few things that still leave me with a shred of hope for this Nation
 
2017-08-08 04:17:30 PM  
Ah, the joys of libertarianism and unfettered capitalism.
 
2017-08-08 04:18:04 PM  

real_headhoncho: Jebus Farking Christ... how long has this shiat been going on?


Oh come on, they are probably guilty of something.
 
2017-08-08 04:21:22 PM  

whitroth: Ah, the joys of libertarianism and unfettered capitalism.


It's not libertarianism if it involves an agent of the state using their power to do something.  That's pretty much the exact opposite of libertarianism.
 
2017-08-08 04:22:42 PM  

IDisposable: gar1013: Since I think we can rule out race as an issue, what we have here appears to be good old fashioned greed and political corruption.

I'm confused ... if a white person and a black person both commit the identical crime with the identical victims, your assessment of the situation is different solely because the perps, in this case, are both black?


Let's make it simple:  if these two knuckleheads were white, racism might be a factor in their scheme, as most of the accused who were victimized were black.

Since these two individuals are black, and primarily vicitimizing black individuals, it's highly unlikely that racism is a motivating factor.
 
2017-08-08 04:24:09 PM  

ukexpat: gar1013: The owner of the company is on the right:

[i.ytimg.com image 196x110]

The judge in question:

[bloximages.newyork1.vip.townnews.com image 850x566]


Since I think we can rule out race as an issue, what we have here appears to be good old fashioned greed and political corruption.

Not the first time, won't be the last


Kids for cash?  Didn't they just re-open as Kars for Kids with a catchy radio jungle?
 
2017-08-08 04:25:00 PM  

whitroth: Ah, the joys of libertarianism and unfettered capitalism.


Don't blame it on that.

Blame it on cronyism, which transcends all economic systems.
 
2017-08-08 04:26:53 PM  

rcain: And I've talked to so many MAGA-heads that hate, and I mean HATE the ACLU and consider them the cancer of America. Frankly, to me the ACLU is one of the few examples of our Democracy still functioning

So many American't don't understand that we only have our Freedoms and Protections under the Constitution so long as we are willing to stand up for them. They would literally have their fellow Citizens lay down and take it any which way Corporations and the Government want to give it

Knowing the ACLU exists and is working hard to protect the People from the lawlessness and fascism that is running rampant at all levels of Government is one of the few things that still leave me with a shred of hope for this Nation


"Funny", how few of the Oath Keepers and Three Percenters we see actively protesting this kind of thing. For organizations that claim to seek protection under the Constitution, you'd think they'd be right on top of this.
 
2017-08-08 04:27:44 PM  
Subby & modmin should be jailed for run-on sentence crimes with a shiatty headline kicker.
 
2017-08-08 04:30:28 PM  

IDisposable: whitroth: Ah, the joys of libertarianism and unfettered capitalism.

It's not libertarianism if it involves an agent of the state using their power to do something.  That's pretty much the exact opposite of libertarianism.


He means Libertarian with a capital L.
They are cool with agents of the states using their power to do things, as long as those things are in their interest.
 
2017-08-08 04:35:41 PM  

gar1013: The owner of the company is on the right:

[i.ytimg.com image 196x110]

The judge in question:

[bloximages.newyork1.vip.townnews.com image 850x566]


Since I think we can rule out race as an issue, what we have here appears to be good old fashioned greed and political corruption.


Sadly, you can't. Black people in America tend to be easier to victimize. Just because other black people are doing it to them doesn't mean race isn't a factor.
 
2017-08-08 04:38:32 PM  
Much like the Kids for Cash scheme by one or more Luzerne County judges and the private prison where fake sentences and incarceration made for sweet kickbacks.  Judge is now serving life.
 
2017-08-08 04:40:50 PM  

Marcus Aurelius: Private Fake prisons and private fake prison services are some of the most corrupt businesses in America.  In PA, they bribed juvenile judges to send them children to incarcerate.

Hell is too good for them.


///fixed for ya
 
2017-08-08 04:45:17 PM  

Contrabulous Flabtraption: Subby & modmin should be jailed for run-on sentence crimes with a shiatty headline kicker.


You must be one of those "progressive" Grammar Nazi's --- you only want to lock them up, not summarily execute them. Oh how far we've come
 
2017-08-08 04:47:02 PM  
judge's shady scheme to extort thousands by holding suspects 'for ransom'

Isn't that how these things are supposed to work for poor people?
 
2017-08-08 04:48:33 PM  
We need to stop all privitization services in the criminal justice system. There has been no cost savings in the long run -- especially when you consider kick backs -- rehabilitation programs have either flat out failed or been essentially useless because of the lack of interest by the corporations, cost cutting has decreased the quality of food given to the prisoners and increased resentment among them which has endangered guards, which are being cut back in favor of more cost cutting, while the corporations rake in the dough.

The private corporations have major professional lobbyists in congress and are not short on the ability to give 'gifts' on behalf of positive voting for the Privatization Companies and having congress turn a blind eye to the abuses they commit.

In many private prisons, the lack of adequate medical care is criminal. many who have mentally ill patients release them with about 3 days worth of medication, a couple of bucks in their pockets and a verbal suggestion to get mental health care. They no longer set the care up for the prisoner and don't care if the person released goes nuts because he didn't know how to get help and kills someone.

The few prisons which give the prisoners adequate continuing education, good food, even if grown on their lands, which also gives the prisoners some on the job training,reasonable medical and mental health care and do not overcrowd the crap out of their units, are showing big signs of success.

However, this is not a popular concept. A prison which had shown great success over the decades, did not have fences or walls to keep the prisoners in, looked much less like a prison inside and lots of activities, which also had stellar success and almost no recidivism, was switched over to a new warden, who believed in the old military type, put up fences, changed everything around and now faces major problems where there had been none.

And the government ignores it.

End privatization. Start looking to other nations who have great success with their prison systems and start copying them. Start kicking out the old guard who believe in treating prisoners like dirt no matter what they did and stop the historical process of taking major kickbacks that mainly serve to weaken the current prisons and endanger our lives.
 
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