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(Guardian)   New Zealand should ban alcohol from supermarkets because having it there "normalizes its use". Kinda late for that   ( theguardian.com) divider line
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2017-08-07 02:58:06 PM  
You know what actually normalises alcohol?

Kids growing up and seeing that the only time parents are laughing and actually having fun is when they're drinking.
 
2017-08-07 09:51:58 PM  
That ship sailed the moment mankind discovered fermentation.
 
2017-08-07 09:52:38 PM  
I am thinking someone high up on the medical association has a religious objection to others drinking.
 
2017-08-07 09:53:50 PM  
New Zealand should ban beets on hamburgers if they really want to do something for society.
 
2017-08-07 09:54:54 PM  
i.giphy.com
 
2017-08-07 09:55:52 PM  

winedrinkingman: I am thinking someone high up on the medical association has a religious objection to others drinking.


I suppose you could say that about some unknown kiwi but most of those in the medical field concur.

cdn.static-economist.com
 
2017-08-07 09:57:59 PM  
If NZ has a problem with binge drinking, I think they're taking a very clueless approach to the problem.
 
2017-08-07 09:58:04 PM  

UsikFark: winedrinkingman: I am thinking someone high up on the medical association has a religious objection to others drinking.

I suppose you could say that about some unknown kiwi but most of those in the medical field concur.

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Howwwwwww do they think meth causes that little harm to others?
 
2017-08-07 10:01:47 PM  

UsikFark: winedrinkingman: I am thinking someone high up on the medical association has a religious objection to others drinking.

I suppose you could say that about some unknown kiwi but most of those in the medical field concur.

[cdn.static-economist.com image 595x513]


Butane? wtf, really?
No, I guess I don't want to know.
 
2017-08-07 10:04:59 PM  
I feel the same way about Kale
 
2017-08-07 10:06:47 PM  

Orion5k: UsikFark: winedrinkingman: I am thinking someone high up on the medical association has a religious objection to others drinking.

I suppose you could say that about some unknown kiwi but most of those in the medical field concur.

[cdn.static-economist.com image 595x513]

Howwwwwww do they think meth causes that little harm to others?


How do they measure "Harm"?
 
2017-08-07 10:07:57 PM  

Orion5k: UsikFark: winedrinkingman: I am thinking someone high up on the medical association has a religious objection to others drinking.

I suppose you could say that about some unknown kiwi but most of those in the medical field concur.

[cdn.static-economist.com image 595x513]

Howwwwwww do they think meth causes that little harm to others?


It's the UK, that might have something to do with it. You can pick it apart all you want, for example they don't have krokodil on there, but these kinds of rankings consistently list alcohol as more harmful than all or most other drugs. America has about 15M alcoholics and about 0.6M heroin users (2015).
 
2017-08-07 10:11:19 PM  

Voodoo_Stu: Orion5k: UsikFark: winedrinkingman: I am thinking someone high up on the medical association has a religious objection to others drinking.

I suppose you could say that about some unknown kiwi but most of those in the medical field concur.

[cdn.static-economist.com image 595x513]

Howwwwwww do they think meth causes that little harm to others?

How do they measure "Harm"?


http://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(10)614​6​2-6/abstract
Methods
Members of the Independent Scientific Committee on Drugs, including two invited specialists, met in a 1-day interactive workshop to score 20 drugs on 16 criteria: nine related to the harms that a drug produces in the individual and seven to the harms to others. Drugs were scored out of 100 points, and the criteria were weighted to indicate their relative importance.

I don't subscribe to The Lancet.
 
2017-08-07 10:12:07 PM  

Voodoo_Stu: Orion5k: UsikFark: winedrinkingman: I am thinking someone high up on the medical association has a religious objection to others drinking.

I suppose you could say that about some unknown kiwi but most of those in the medical field concur.

[cdn.static-economist.com image 595x513]

Howwwwwww do they think meth causes that little harm to others?

How do they measure "Harm"?


And here's an Economist article on it if you like:
https://www.economist.com/blogs/dailychart/2010/11/drugs_cause_most_h​a​rm
 
2017-08-07 10:15:13 PM  

UsikFark: Voodoo_Stu: Orion5k: UsikFark: winedrinkingman: I am thinking someone high up on the medical association has a religious objection to others drinking.

I suppose you could say that about some unknown kiwi but most of those in the medical field concur.

[cdn.static-economist.com image 595x513]

Howwwwwww do they think meth causes that little harm to others?

How do they measure "Harm"?

http://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(10)6146​2-6/abstract
Methods
Members of the Independent Scientific Committee on Drugs, including two invited specialists, met in a 1-day interactive workshop to score 20 drugs on 16 criteria: nine related to the harms that a drug produces in the individual and seven to the harms to others. Drugs were scored out of 100 points, and the criteria were weighted to indicate their relative importance.

I don't subscribe to The Lancet.


This doctor does subscribe...
 
2017-08-07 10:19:06 PM  
They just started selling beer in grocery stores where I live.

They cleared out half the juice aisle for it.
 
2017-08-07 10:20:59 PM  

Boo_Guy: They just started selling beer in grocery stores where I live.

They cleared out half the juice aisle for it.


They sell whiskey in grocery stores where I live. And in gas stations.
 
2017-08-07 10:28:07 PM  

The Lurker at Your Threshold: That ship sailed the moment mankind discovered fermentation.


winedrinkingman: I am thinking someone high up on the medical association has a religious objection to others drinking.


These things.

Also, New Zealand is the country that legalized home distillation, isn't it?

I have a feeling this isn't going to go anywhere.

/Prohibition is pure idiocy.
 
2017-08-07 10:37:35 PM  

UsikFark: winedrinkingman: I am thinking someone high up on the medical association has a religious objection to others drinking.

I suppose you could say that about some unknown kiwi but most of those in the medical field concur.

[cdn.static-economist.com image 595x513]


A good general article on toxicities: https://www.theatlantic.com/daily-dish/archive/2007/03/dr​ugs-and-toxic​ity/229893/
And, in more detail:  https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4311234/

The protic polar solvent ethanol has no peer.
 
2017-08-07 10:44:16 PM  
Guy finds his house plumbed with beer - full length version
Youtube HG_wfMK7dko


These Kiwis know a better way to normalize alcohol.
 
2017-08-07 10:53:25 PM  

winedrinkingman: I am thinking someone high up on the medical association has a religious objection to others drinking.


Username checks out.
 
2017-08-07 10:56:05 PM  

Crazy Lee: UsikFark: winedrinkingman: I am thinking someone high up on the medical association has a religious objection to others drinking.

I suppose you could say that about some unknown kiwi but most of those in the medical field concur.

[cdn.static-economist.com image 595x513]

A good general article on toxicities: https://www.theatlantic.com/daily-dish/archive/2007/03/dru​gs-and-toxicity/229893/
And, in more detail:  https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4311234/

The protic polar solvent ethanol has no peer.


I'm pretty sure water holds that distinction.
 
2017-08-07 10:57:09 PM  
That's not what I can see in their final report (pdf). They want to raise the drinking age from 18 to 20 and institute minimum unit pricing on alcohol, but a Ctrl+F search returns no results for "supermarkets". They do want to decrease the density of off-licenses and trading hours, though.

That said, it'll never happen.The hospitality industry is quite a powerful lobby in NZ.
 
2017-08-07 10:59:54 PM  

UsikFark: winedrinkingman: I am thinking someone high up on the medical association has a religious objection to others drinking.

I suppose you could say that about some unknown kiwi but most of those in the medical field concur.

[cdn.static-economist.com image 595x513]


Careful.  Even suggesting that crack is more harmful that cocaine will get you labeled a racist fast as shiat.
 
2017-08-07 11:03:03 PM  

DarkVader: The Lurker at Your Threshold: That ship sailed the moment mankind discovered fermentation.

winedrinkingman: I am thinking someone high up on the medical association has a religious objection to others drinking.

These things.

Also, New Zealand is the country that legalized home distillation, isn't it?

I have a feeling this isn't going to go anywhere.

/Prohibition is pure idiocy.


Check out homedistiller.com, great kiwi site that completely explains the processes and equipment for making your own firewater. Really a good read...
 
2017-08-07 11:30:08 PM  

UsikFark: Voodoo_Stu: Orion5k: UsikFark: winedrinkingman: I am thinking someone high up on the medical association has a religious objection to others drinking.

I suppose you could say that about some unknown kiwi but most of those in the medical field concur.

[cdn.static-economist.com image 595x513]

Howwwwwww do they think meth causes that little harm to others?

How do they measure "Harm"?

http://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(10)6146​2-6/abstract
Methods
Members of the Independent Scientific Committee on Drugs, including two invited specialists, met in a 1-day interactive workshop to score 20 drugs on 16 criteria: nine related to the harms that a drug produces in the individual and seven to the harms to others. Drugs were scored out of 100 points, and the criteria were weighted to indicate their relative importance.

I don't subscribe to The Lancet.


So it's based on a bunch of people sitting in a conference room, only two of whom were actual specialists, not any sort of objective data? And not at all weighted for the number of users- because I'm pretty damn sure that a much higher percentage of alcohol drinkers manage to use the drug safely and responsibly than meth users. Or heroin users. Or crack users. Or PCP users. Or pretty much any other farking drug apart from pot or shrooms.

Alcohol deaths are so high because so many people use alcohol, not because of its inherent badness. So many people use it because, barring alcoholism, which is a disease caused primarily by genetic factors, it's pretty dang safe and controllable. Oh, and most of that "harm to others" is drunk driving, which is nothing inherent to the drug, it's inherent to our infrastructure. Build proper transit or build walkable cities where people can stumble home from the bar rather than drive home, and you'll see that number fall precipitously. I'm not saying there's no cost to alcohol use, but at least from what I can see of it, that's a pretty damn useless report.
 
2017-08-07 11:30:29 PM  

The Lurker at Your Threshold: That ship sailed the moment mankind discovered distillation fermentation.


FTFY
 
2017-08-07 11:33:01 PM  

Harry_Seldon: The Lurker at Your Threshold: That ship sailed the moment mankind discovered distillation fermentation.

FTFY


Have beer and wine gone out of style where you live or something?
 
2017-08-07 11:36:49 PM  

GDubDub: UsikFark: winedrinkingman: I am thinking someone high up on the medical association has a religious objection to others drinking.

I suppose you could say that about some unknown kiwi but most of those in the medical field concur.

[cdn.static-economist.com image 595x513]

Careful.  Even suggesting that crack is more harmful that cocaine will get you labeled a racist fast as shiat.


What the merry fark are you on about?
 
2017-08-07 11:45:23 PM  

Tigger: GDubDub: UsikFark: winedrinkingman: I am thinking someone high up on the medical association has a religious objection to others drinking.

I suppose you could say that about some unknown kiwi but most of those in the medical field concur.

[cdn.static-economist.com image 595x513]

Careful.  Even suggesting that crack is more harmful that cocaine will get you labeled a racist fast as shiat.

What the merry fark are you on about?


I think he's tired of being called a racist.
 
2017-08-07 11:49:56 PM  
We have beer, wine, and since a couple of years ago hard liquor in our grocery stores. I like it. Adding the hard stuff didn't change anything that I can see.
 
2017-08-07 11:50:22 PM  

cptjeff: Harry_Seldon: The Lurker at Your Threshold: That ship sailed the moment mankind discovered distillation fermentation.

FTFY

Have beer and wine gone out of style where you live or something?


Ships didn't sail too far before distillation.
 
2017-08-08 12:03:50 AM  
I live in Queensland, which is the one Australian state with laws prohibiting sale of alcohol from supermarkets. So we have bottle shops, which are usually close by the supermarkets and are often run by one of the two main supermarket chains. I'd say *buuuurp* it doesn't do anything to prevent the normalisation of alcohol, but I suspect that the motivations for having the separation have more to do with the fact that to run a bottleo you need to have a licence attached to a hotel (pub) or tavern, so it's more to prevent those establishments from falling over.
 
2017-08-08 12:18:07 AM  

UsikFark: winedrinkingman: I am thinking someone high up on the medical association has a religious objection to others drinking.

I suppose you could say that about some unknown kiwi but most of those in the medical field concur.

[cdn.static-economist.com image 595x513]


But isn't 70 percent around the number of doctors who are Muslim now? I do not think any other group of people even sends their kids to medical school anymore.
 
2017-08-08 12:25:24 AM  
♪♫ You ain't much fun since I quit drinkin' ♫♪
 
2017-08-08 12:35:17 AM  
We don't have booze in supermarkets here, with the exception of one pilot project that seems to be successful. Unfortunately it's located entirely separately from the grocery aisles, so you have to pay for your groceries first, then enter the kiosk that sells booze within the store. It's a store within a store.

/This province is run by prudes and it's infuriating.
//Close friends own a brewery, I hear horror stories
///I'm going dry the next 30 days, wish me luck (I'm going to need it)
 
2017-08-08 01:10:24 AM  
I hear that having beer in the supermarket has similar risks to having sheep in the barn. Normalizes the use, and all.
 
2017-08-08 02:31:37 AM  
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/other symptoms may include lack of coordination, loss of inhibitions, incontinence and posting comments on news-aggregator websites
 
2017-08-08 03:02:55 AM  
New Zealand has no claim to anything "normal".

I had a friend from New Zealand once. We got to bragging about past sexual exploits. I asked him how many previous partners he had. He started counting them, but I think he fell asleep.
 
2017-08-08 03:41:19 AM  

rebelyell2006: Boo_Guy: They just started selling beer in grocery stores where I live.

They cleared out half the juice aisle for it.

They sell whiskey in grocery stores where I live. And in gas stations.


Yeah
 
2017-08-08 05:22:16 AM  
Yeah, g'luck with that
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2017-08-08 04:45:11 PM  

GDubDub: Crazy Lee: UsikFark: winedrinkingman: I am thinking someone high up on the medical association has a religious objection to others drinking.

I suppose you could say that about some unknown kiwi but most of those in the medical field concur.

[cdn.static-economist.com image 595x513]

A good general article on toxicities: https://www.theatlantic.com/daily-dish/archive/2007/03/dru​gs-and-toxicity/229893/
And, in more detail:  https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4311234/

The protic polar solvent ethanol has no peer.

I'm pretty sure water holds that distinction.


Not a commonly utilized inebriant.  Not to mention, when used thus, the
 
2017-08-08 04:50:02 PM  
So much for ease of entry on this device...

...when used thus, one usually feels happy to be swimming (hyper hydration will get an honorable mention in the Journal of Emergency Medicine).
 
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