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(The New Civil Rights Movement)   The White House approved policy to ban transgender service members called "A Guidance Policy for Open Transgender Service Phase Out," Its going to Secretary of Defense Jim Mattis for approval   ( thenewcivilrightsmovement.com) divider line
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2017-08-06 04:17:41 PM  
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"I got mine, fark You!"

 
2017-08-06 04:22:49 PM  
$20 says they make it ok if you get a waiver. Especially in times of war when they can't get people to volunteer.

They like this as much as anyone. Yes, military leadership is conservative, but the one thing they care above all else is staffing levels. They do not want to turn anyone away if they don't have to when they have open slots.
 
2017-08-06 04:26:16 PM  

NewportBarGuy: They do not want to turn anyone away if they don't have to when they have open slots.


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2017-08-06 04:34:59 PM  

NewportBarGuy: $20 says they make it ok if you get a waiver. Especially in times of war when they can't get people to volunteer.

They like this as much as anyone. Yes, military leadership is conservative, but the one thing they care above all else is staffing levels. They do not want to turn anyone away if they don't have to when they have open slots.


You dropped your /s
 
2017-08-06 04:37:39 PM  

NewportBarGuy: $20 says they make it ok if you get a waiver. Especially in times of war when they can't get people to volunteer.

They like this as much as anyone. Yes, military leadership is conservative, but the one thing they care above all else is staffing levels. They do not want to turn anyone away if they don't have to when they have open slots.


I think the numerous Farsi and Arabic translators kicked out under DADT during OIF/OEF may disagree with this assessment.
 
2017-08-06 04:39:49 PM  

rwhamann: NewportBarGuy: $20 says they make it ok if you get a waiver. Especially in times of war when they can't get people to volunteer.

They like this as much as anyone. Yes, military leadership is conservative, but the one thing they care above all else is staffing levels. They do not want to turn anyone away if they don't have to when they have open slots.

I think the numerous Farsi and Arabic translators kicked out under DADT during OIF/OEF may disagree with this assessment.


*sigh*

Goddammit. Can you all just let me believe that we can mitigate this nightmare.

I know it will probably just be sweeping denial. I'm trying to a semblance of hope here.

Fine. I'll just have another beer.
 
2017-08-06 04:44:42 PM  
"'Taylor's family has disowned her,' he said. 'Her family is the United States Coast Guard. And I told Taylor, 'I will not turn my back. We have made an investment in you, and you have made an investment in the Coast Guard, and I will not break faith.'"

Seriously farking dusty up in here.
 
2017-08-06 04:58:07 PM  
Jesus, I'm glad I retired from the Navy with my full pension before this stupid shiat happened. I simply cannot wrap my head around any of this. I mean, the transgender servicemember phase-out that's been proposed is insane. There are numerous countries who have long allowed trans people to serve with no problem. This is nothing but that motherfarker Trump pandering to the evangelical christian base.

People who stepped up to serve, most of them before they were allowed to be open about being transgender, many who have been in for years and have multiple war time deployments are facing being discharged from the military before being able to put in the required service time for retirement benefits.

And after all the "out" transgender troops are kicked to the curb, for those who have not come out, it's going to be just like it was for gay service personnel in the past. I know what it was like, wondering when someone would find out the truth about me.  It's not fun, I'll tell you what.

We're are going backwards, not forward.  Every goddamned asshole who voted for Trump should be hanging their heads in shame for this and every other horrible thing that their farking god emperor has wreaked on our country.

F*ck.  Just f*ck it all.
 
2017-08-06 05:18:50 PM  

docpeteyJ: We're are going backwards, not forward.  Every goddamned asshole who voted for Trump should be hanging their heads in shame for this and every other horrible thing that their farking god emperor has wreaked on our country.


This along with every farken asshole that voted for some protest vote candidate.
 
2017-08-06 05:44:08 PM  

docpeteyJ: Jesus, I'm glad I retired from the Navy with my full pension before this stupid shiat happened. I simply cannot wrap my head around any of this. I mean, the transgender servicemember phase-out that's been proposed is insane. There are numerous countries who have long allowed trans people to serve with no problem. This is nothing but that motherfarker Trump pandering to the evangelical christian base.


Hey Doc! [waves]

I made the mistake of going onto a Mil Av forum where a few Americans are obediently bleating all the Trumptard talking points. Most of the Brits are just baffled by the sudden change in policy, we got used to having trans personnel openly serving a while ago, although I'm somewhat ashamed to say there are still a few who object. Unsurprisingly, they are much the same bunch who objected to female aircrew being accepted for RAF flying training.

Your point about retirement benefits is well-made, cutting serving personnel off from those (and any other benefits they may accrue) is a particularly shiatty move.

This is an interview with an RAF trans pilot who just happens to be from the first unit I served with.
 
2017-08-06 05:49:08 PM  
I hope that all the lawyers at Lambda Legal (and other places) are ready to fight for these brave men and women. Because this is beyond bullshiat and so bigoted that I want the smackdown for it to be hard, violent, and very, very vocal.
 
2017-08-06 05:56:48 PM  

optikeye: This along with every farken asshole that voted for some protest vote candidate.


Funny thing is, there are a lot of those here on Fark, but you almost never see them admit to it these days.  They were so farking proud of the choice they were going to make, but after 2 Scoops won, they shut up about it quick.
 
2017-08-06 06:02:23 PM  

F5 F5 Esc: docpeteyJ: Jesus, I'm glad I retired from the Navy with my full pension before this stupid shiat happened. I simply cannot wrap my head around any of this. I mean, the transgender servicemember phase-out that's been proposed is insane. There are numerous countries who have long allowed trans people to serve with no problem. This is nothing but that motherfarker Trump pandering to the evangelical christian base.

Hey Doc! [waves]

I made the mistake of going onto a Mil Av forum where a few Americans are obediently bleating all the Trumptard talking points. Most of the Brits are just baffled by the sudden change in policy, we got used to having trans personnel openly serving a while ago, although I'm somewhat ashamed to say there are still a few who object. Unsurprisingly, they are much the same bunch who objected to female aircrew being accepted for RAF flying training.

Your point about retirement benefits is well-made, cutting serving personnel off from those (and any other benefits they may accrue) is a particularly shiatty move.

This is an interview with an RAF trans pilot who just happens to be from the first unit I served with.


Thank you for that link. I just forwarded it on to my husband, who is serving in Iraq. One of his crew is transgender, a Staff Sgt with 16 years in. This is her third tour in Iraq.  And now she is facing being discharged in January when her current term of service comes up if this "phase out" policy goes into effect, and nothing to show for it except a boot mark in her ass.

I have several friends who are trans and are still serving, most of them with ten or more years in. It's disgusting to think that their service is somehow not valued simply because they are trans. I don't get it. They joined before it was allowed to openly trans. They only came out because a year ago, they were told it was okay to be openly trans in the military. And now Trump - that farking flag-humping asshole who "loves the military and veterans sooooooo much sooooo bigly" - wants them out.  No benefits, not so much as a thank you very much.
 
2017-08-06 06:08:28 PM  
Johnny Rockets:


You are a sad sad man J"J"R. On one hand you denounce Trump, on the other hand you basically support most of his policies especially when it comes to anything on immigration.
 
2017-08-06 06:17:51 PM  
So what are the odds that when Mattis receives this he gives it a 'wtf am I reading' and then drops it in the trash? Can he oppose this or is it more of a rubber stamp of whatever derp Trump wants?
 
2017-08-06 06:19:03 PM  

JustToLetYouKnowFriend: You are a sad sad man J"J"R. On one hand you denounce Trump, on the other hand you basically support most of his policies especially when it comes to anything on immigration.


I'm more likely to fall on the side of republicans when it comes to immigration and military action, that's it.  So that's what, 2 of 20 or so issues?  Care to restate your opinion?
 
2017-08-06 06:25:17 PM  

Johnny Rockets: JustToLetYouKnowFriend: You are a sad sad man J"J"R. On one hand you denounce Trump, on the other hand you basically support most of his policies especially when it comes to anything on immigration.

I'm more likely to fall on the side of republicans when it comes to immigration and military action, that's it.  So that's what, 2 of 20 or so issues?  Care to restate your opinion?


Nah, Ive never seen you post anything worthwhile, good or positive beyond your denouncement of Trump. Ive only ever seen you post jingoistic war-loving xenophobic things.
 
2017-08-06 06:29:16 PM  
SECDEF Mattis issued this memo the same day that Twitler issued his transgender ban tweets.

The actual memo is at the end of TFA.  Although it doesn't address the proposed ban directly, it certainly telegraphs his concerns with it.
 
2017-08-06 06:41:51 PM  

JustToLetYouKnowFriend: Nah, Ive never seen you post anything worthwhile, good or positive beyond your denouncement of Trump. Ive only ever seen you post jingoistic war-loving xenophobic things.


Yeah, it's such a radical position to take that people who are in the country illegally and commit crimes should get the boot.  Every other country in the world enforces immigration policy, but according to the super libs online, the USA should just let anyone and everyone walk right on in and then stay, no matter what they do once here.
 
2017-08-06 06:51:32 PM  
I've said it before. I'll say it again:

Dear trans Americans, other LGBTQ Americans, Muslim Americans, African Americans, female Americans, and all other unAmerican Americans: Canada has a long, proud history of taking in the States' unpersons, from escaped slaves to draft dodgers. We're proud of it. Hell, we're downright smug about it--and apart from a good round of moose hockey, there's nothing we like better than being smug.

Moreover, a damned good way for a politician up here to end his or her career is to get a rep as a suck-up to the States: any politician who tries to go, "Ehh... nahhhh, let's keep the States happy and mail their unpersons back this time," is going to find themselves unemployed in short order. shiat, we don't even have to wait until the next scheduled election: there's always the vote of non-confidence dangling over Parliament like the sword of a pissed-off electorate.

So if things really, really go south: go north.

Just bring some dragon-glass, if you wouldn't mind. The dead have been disrupting the moose hockey games.
 
2017-08-06 07:00:30 PM  
A lot of straight, white males sure seem desperate to have a group they can shiat on. As a straight, white male myself I really don't understand it.
 
2017-08-06 07:00:37 PM  

Helen_Arigby: I've said it before. I'll say it again:

Dear trans Americans, other LGBTQ Americans, Muslim Americans, African Americans, female Americans, and all other unAmerican Americans: Canada has a long, proud history of taking in the States' unpersons, from escaped slaves to draft dodgers. We're proud of it. Hell, we're downright smug about it--and apart from a good round of moose hockey, there's nothing we like better than being smug.

Moreover, a damned good way for a politician up here to end his or her career is to get a rep as a suck-up to the States: any politician who tries to go, "Ehh... nahhhh, let's keep the States happy and mail their unpersons back this time," is going to find themselves unemployed in short order. shiat, we don't even have to wait until the next scheduled election: there's always the vote of non-confidence dangling over Parliament like the sword of a pissed-off electorate.

So if things really, really go south: go north.

Just bring some dragon-glass, if you wouldn't mind. The dead have been disrupting the moose hockey games.


You're lovely, you know that?  :)

I have family in La Salle, Quebec.  Ever since Trump was elected, they've been on my case about me and my husband moving up there after he gets home. For now, we're going to stay put in the States, but if things get worse for "our kind" here, we might just take them up on their offer.
 
2017-08-06 07:09:37 PM  
It should be noted, that trans folks serve 2 to three times more than the "regular" population. With 30% of trans women population in the US having served or are serving in the military. Compared to 7.3% of the general population having served actively...

That statistic is perhaps something that folks might want to consider. Trans women serve in HUGELY higher percentages of their population. Staggeringly larger numbers of the trans women in this country have served in the military. And all the while, their total of the entire military population in the US is tiny, their desire for service cannot be undersold.

When a population is THAT much in favor of service, that says something about their character, and how they feel about this country. It is damning that some folks feel that they are "lesser" for being a hair more complex than being a single issue population. Which, in truth, NO ONE really is, be they Evangelical Christians--some of whom actually DO support marriage equality as a for instance--or just in issues of ethnicity or their education levels.
 
2017-08-06 07:18:39 PM  

docpeteyJ: You're lovely, you know that? :)


Aww, thanks.

I have family in La Salle, Quebec.

Sharpen up your French. Even just knowing how to apologize for not speaking French will take you miles. It's true for any non-Anglo area in my experience, regardless of what the local lingo is. Just knowing how to say hello, goodbye, please, thank you, you're welcome, sorry, "It's okay," and "I'm sorry my [language] is bad. Can I use English, please?" will get you the red damn carpet rolled out.

Oh, and pronunciation is miles more important than conjugation. You can get by surprisingly well with nothing but the present tense--"I go tomorrow" obviously means "I will go tomorrow"--so long as people can tell what the hell words are coming out of your mouth.

This is a problem for me, because my school emphasized all kinds of fancy conjugations above basically everything else. So my gibberish is grammatically correct; I've got that going for me.
 
2017-08-06 07:21:07 PM  
What the Liberal Redneck has to say about this transgender ban.

NSFW language.

Liberal Redneck - Transgender Patriots and the GOP
Youtube BROaQg5pDhs
 
2017-08-06 07:21:48 PM  

docpeteyJ: Jesus, I'm glad I retired from the Navy with my full pension before this stupid shiat happened. I simply cannot wrap my head around any of this. I mean, the transgender servicemember phase-out that's been proposed is insane. There are numerous countries who have long allowed trans people to serve with no problem. This is nothing but that motherfarker Trump pandering to the evangelical christian base.

People who stepped up to serve, most of them before they were allowed to be open about being transgender, many who have been in for years and have multiple war time deployments are facing being discharged from the military before being able to put in the required service time for retirement benefits.

And after all the "out" transgender troops are kicked to the curb, for those who have not come out, it's going to be just like it was for gay service personnel in the past. I know what it was like, wondering when someone would find out the truth about me.  It's not fun, I'll tell you what.

We're are going backwards, not forward.  Every goddamned asshole who voted for Trump should be hanging their heads in shame for this and every other horrible thing that their farking god emperor has wreaked on our country.

F*ck.  Just f*ck it all.


Hang in there, it's not done yet.  I haven't wrapped my head around a way out of this yet, but that's why I'm not paid the big bucks.  I'm still hoping the folks at the top have something up their sleeve.

Here's my optimistic hopes:
1) Congress takes action to make this order unlawful.  Could also be determined by a court case, which if nothing else, would delay things quite a bit.
2) I hope this doesn't cause a bunch of resignations at the top.  At that level they're appointees, and we seem to have a decent amount of people willing to stick up for what's right at the moment.  Their replacements may not be so willing.
3) Whatever is done to resolve this, it has to be durable.  If the current President is removed from office, I have no doubt the Vice President will be even more hardline on this policy.
 
2017-08-06 07:24:03 PM  

Helen_Arigby: docpeteyJ: You're lovely, you know that? :)

Aww, thanks.

I have family in La Salle, Quebec.

Sharpen up your French. Even just knowing how to apologize for not speaking French will take you miles. It's true for any non-Anglo area in my experience, regardless of what the local lingo is. Just knowing how to say hello, goodbye, please, thank you, you're welcome, sorry, "It's okay," and "I'm sorry my [language] is bad. Can I use English, please?" will get you the red damn carpet rolled out.

Oh, and pronunciation is miles more important than conjugation. You can get by surprisingly well with nothing but the present tense--"I go tomorrow" obviously means "I will go tomorrow"--so long as people can tell what the hell words are coming out of your mouth.

This is a problem for me, because my school emphasized all kinds of fancy conjugations above basically everything else. So my gibberish is grammatically correct; I've got that going for me.


Lucky for me I speak French (my mother is from France), as does my Louisiana-born husband.
 
2017-08-06 07:52:35 PM  
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2017-08-06 07:54:11 PM  
That's fine. Every inbred, backwoods, pants-shiatting Republican that approves of this needs to enlist to make up for the personnel loss. I'm sure these chicken hawks have no problem with this. Assholes. fark them. fark Trump.
 
2017-08-06 07:55:15 PM  
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2017-08-06 07:56:36 PM  
Here's the funny thing:
Even the religious right assholes are against this.  They didn't ask for it.  They know there's going to be public backlash and that legal challenges to it are likely to be successful.  They learned how badly letting courts decide can turn out for them after gay marriage was legalized.

Trump took a "simple" request to ban money from going to gender reassignment surgery and went full retard with it.

This will backfire on the Republicans in the courts and they know it.  If they're lucky, the Supreme Court will only require that Pence get a sex change operation.
 
2017-08-06 07:56:39 PM  

docpeteyJ: F5 F5 Esc: docpeteyJ: Jesus, I'm glad I retired from the Navy with my full pension before this stupid shiat happened. I simply cannot wrap my head around any of this. I mean, the transgender servicemember phase-out that's been proposed is insane. There are numerous countries who have long allowed trans people to serve with no problem. This is nothing but that motherfarker Trump pandering to the evangelical christian base.

Hey Doc! [waves]

I made the mistake of going onto a Mil Av forum where a few Americans are obediently bleating all the Trumptard talking points. Most of the Brits are just baffled by the sudden change in policy, we got used to having trans personnel openly serving a while ago, although I'm somewhat ashamed to say there are still a few who object. Unsurprisingly, they are much the same bunch who objected to female aircrew being accepted for RAF flying training.

Your point about retirement benefits is well-made, cutting serving personnel off from those (and any other benefits they may accrue) is a particularly shiatty move.

This is an interview with an RAF trans pilot who just happens to be from the first unit I served with.

Thank you for that link. I just forwarded it on to my husband, who is serving in Iraq. One of his crew is transgender, a Staff Sgt with 16 years in. This is her third tour in Iraq.  And now she is facing being discharged in January when her current term of service comes up if this "phase out" policy goes into effect, and nothing to show for it except a boot mark in her ass.

I have several friends who are trans and are still serving, most of them with ten or more years in. It's disgusting to think that their service is somehow not valued simply because they are trans. I don't get it. They joined before it was allowed to openly trans. They only came out because a year ago, they were told it was okay to be openly trans in the military. And now Trump - that farking flag-humping asshole who "loves the military and veterans soooo ...


There service is valued by decent people everywhere I assure you.
 
2017-08-06 07:58:50 PM  
Transgender soldiers are currently serving in Australia, Austria, Belgium, Bolivia, Canada, Czech Republic, Denmark, Estonia, Finland, France, Germany, Israel, The Netherlands, New Zealand, Norway, Spain, Sweden and the United Kingdom. It's sad that our commander in chief does not feel our soldiers can handle the situation as well as these other countries. He'll say it's about the money, but he's lying.
 
2017-08-06 07:59:22 PM  
So who's dick is Jim sucking now?
 
2017-08-06 08:00:55 PM  

aRegularJoe_aRegularJob: docpeteyJ: Jesus, I'm glad I retired from the Navy with my full pension before this stupid shiat happened. I simply cannot wrap my head around any of this. I mean, the transgender servicemember phase-out that's been proposed is insane. There are numerous countries who have long allowed trans people to serve with no problem. This is nothing but that motherfarker Trump pandering to the evangelical christian base.

People who stepped up to serve, most of them before they were allowed to be open about being transgender, many who have been in for years and have multiple war time deployments are facing being discharged from the military before being able to put in the required service time for retirement benefits.

And after all the "out" transgender troops are kicked to the curb, for those who have not come out, it's going to be just like it was for gay service personnel in the past. I know what it was like, wondering when someone would find out the truth about me.  It's not fun, I'll tell you what.

We're are going backwards, not forward.  Every goddamned asshole who voted for Trump should be hanging their heads in shame for this and every other horrible thing that their farking god emperor has wreaked on our country.

F*ck.  Just f*ck it all.

Hang in there, it's not done yet.  I haven't wrapped my head around a way out of this yet, but that's why I'm not paid the big bucks.  I'm still hoping the folks at the top have something up their sleeve.

Here's my optimistic hopes:
1) Congress takes action to make this order unlawful.  Could also be determined by a court case, which if nothing else, would delay things quite a bit.
2) I hope this doesn't cause a bunch of resignations at the top.  At that level they're appointees, and we seem to have a decent amount of people willing to stick up for what's right at the moment.  Their replacements may not be so willing.
3) Whatever is done to resolve this, it has to be durable.  If the current President is removed from office, I have no doubt the Vice President will be even more hardline on this policy.


I still have confidence in my colleagues in the legal system. And Romer v. Evans is still valid law.

This is gonna be another long legal battle that Trump is going to lose.
 
2017-08-06 08:01:05 PM  

docpeteyJ: Jesus, I'm glad I retired from the Navy with my full pension before this stupid shiat happened. I simply cannot wrap my head around any of this. I mean, the transgender servicemember phase-out that's been proposed is insane. There are numerous countries who have long allowed trans people to serve with no problem. This is nothing but that motherfarker Trump pandering to the evangelical christian base.

People who stepped up to serve, most of them before they were allowed to be open about being transgender, many who have been in for years and have multiple war time deployments are facing being discharged from the military before being able to put in the required service time for retirement benefits.

And after all the "out" transgender troops are kicked to the curb, for those who have not come out, it's going to be just like it was for gay service personnel in the past. I know what it was like, wondering when someone would find out the truth about me.  It's not fun, I'll tell you what.

We're are going backwards, not forward.  Every goddamned asshole who voted for Trump should be hanging their heads in shame for this and every other horrible thing that their farking god emperor has wreaked on our country.

F*ck.  Just f*ck it all.


Someone should tell these evangelicals the goddamned Israeli Army has transgender soldiers.

I'm glad my trans daughter has no interest in soldiering.
 
2017-08-06 08:02:09 PM  
Absolutely disgraceful. *sigh*
 
2017-08-06 08:02:52 PM  

Johnny Rockets: Yeah, it's such a radical position to take that people who are in the country illegally and commit crimes should get the boot.


This was precisely Barack Obama's policy. He directed the Vaterlandssicherheitsdepartment to put priority on Ill Eagles who had committed crimes. But that wasn't enough for the orange shirts, and as a result, we have people who came here as small children and don't speak Spanish being kicked out.
 
2017-08-06 08:04:15 PM  
Another non-problem solved by Trump.
 
2017-08-06 08:04:50 PM  

Bslim: [i.ytimg.com image 850x558]


WTF is your point?

This is about transgender troops being discharged from the military.

/Stay on target, Luke.
 
2017-08-06 08:05:25 PM  

aRegularJoe_aRegularJob: docpeteyJ: Jesus, I'm glad I retired from the Navy with my full pension before this stupid shiat happened. I simply cannot wrap my head around any of this. I mean, the transgender servicemember phase-out that's been proposed is insane. There are numerous countries who have long allowed trans people to serve with no problem. This is nothing but that motherfarker Trump pandering to the evangelical christian base.

People who stepped up to serve, most of them before they were allowed to be open about being transgender, many who have been in for years and have multiple war time deployments are facing being discharged from the military before being able to put in the required service time for retirement benefits.

And after all the "out" transgender troops are kicked to the curb, for those who have not come out, it's going to be just like it was for gay service personnel in the past. I know what it was like, wondering when someone would find out the truth about me.  It's not fun, I'll tell you what.

We're are going backwards, not forward.  Every goddamned asshole who voted for Trump should be hanging their heads in shame for this and every other horrible thing that their farking god emperor has wreaked on our country.

F*ck.  Just f*ck it all.

Hang in there, it's not done yet.  I haven't wrapped my head around a way out of this yet, but that's why I'm not paid the big bucks.  I'm still hoping the folks at the top have something up their sleeve.

Here's my optimistic hopes:
1) Congress takes action to make this order unlawful.  Could also be determined by a court case, which if nothing else, would delay things quite a bit.
2) I hope this doesn't cause a bunch of resignations at the top.  At that level they're appointees, and we seem to have a decent amount of people willing to stick up for what's right at the moment.  Their replacements may not be so willing.
3) Whatever is done to resolve this, it has to be durable.  If the current President is removed from office, I h ...


So many of you people underestimate the power of the military bureaucracy to delay this. The Trump admin has yet to form any cohesive policy so far and will rely on this change to be drawn up by the DoD and will go along the lines of:

P: "No more trans!"

B: "Alright sir. We'll have legal work with G1 to determine the change in UCMJ, should take about two years. We'll go ahead and run a few tests to determine the change in recruitment and reenlistment numbers and whether we need to increase or decrease our push, only about four years to do a solid trial for that. We're still working on determining on how it affects mission readiness per the SECDEF's guidance but we should have that in six months. Oh and we'll have to request an increase to the budget from Congress so we can add more JAG officers to trial defense in preparation for Soldiers claiming they've been falsely accused or the chapter was filed incorrectly or for Company Commanders who are being accused of not chaptering out Soldiers who are transsexual..."

P: "JUST NO trans!"

B: "That's not how this works Mr. President."

Add on to the ability of Company Commanders who truly value their oaths and their legal obligation of being responsible for the welfare of their Soldiers to block it if verbage is approved to bar re-enlistment, chapter out, etc.. Minor screw ups on paperwork (oops, I digitally signed with my 1SG's CAC in, guess we gotta resubmit), trial defense helping out those accused of being transgender after they go back to living a lie and doctors support the claim, myriad of options. All it will end up being is an easy out for guys who don't want to complete their enlistment like those who fail to put together a Family Care Plan.

Trump has yet to get a victory against government bureaucracy and he's not about to beat the most entrenched one we have.
 
2017-08-06 08:05:55 PM  
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2017-08-06 08:06:55 PM  

docpeteyJ: SECDEF Mattis issued this memo the same day that Twitler issued his transgender ban tweets.

The actual memo is at the end of TFA.  Although it doesn't address the proposed ban directly, it certainly telegraphs his concerns with it.


He might have "concerns", but at the end of the day Mattis is just another cog in the discrimination machine. If Mattis needs to discriminate to keep his job, I predict he'll get right on that and be a good Nazi.
 
2017-08-06 08:07:08 PM  

Johnny Rockets: JustToLetYouKnowFriend: Nah, Ive never seen you post anything worthwhile, good or positive beyond your denouncement of Trump. Ive only ever seen you post jingoistic war-loving xenophobic things.

Yeah, it's such a radical position to take that people who are in the country illegally and commit crimes should get the boot.  Every other country in the world enforces immigration policy, but according to the super libs online, the USA should just let anyone and everyone walk right on in and then stay, no matter what they do once here.


There's pretty much nobody here buying your shtick. You're a Trump backer who claims to hate Trump. That's really all your posts boil down to. It's just "I'm a Fark Independent" nonsense for a new age, at the end of the day, and nobody is being fooled by your false protestations otherwise.
 
2017-08-06 08:08:20 PM  
What a shiatshow.  Cant wait for the inevitable "A Guidance Policy for People of Color Phase Out" as we transition to full Waffen SS.  How long till we have Pence lead weird occult rituals that tell all the elite officers that we are facing Ragna....er I mean The End Times and that the land must be secured for God's *white* children?
 
2017-08-06 08:08:40 PM  

Lee Jackson Beauregard: Johnny Rockets: Yeah, it's such a radical position to take that people who are in the country illegally and commit crimes should get the boot.

This was precisely Barack Obama's policy. He directed the Vaterlandssicherheitsdepartment to put priority on Ill Eagles who had committed crimes. But that wasn't enough for the orange shirts, and as a result, we have people who came here as small children and don't speak Spanish being kicked out.


Careful. He may report you for insulting him
 
2017-08-06 08:08:54 PM  

hubiestubert: It should be noted, that trans folks serve 2 to three times more than the "regular" population. With 30% of trans women population in the US having served or are serving in the military. Compared to 7.3% of the general population having served actively...

That statistic is perhaps something that folks might want to consider. Trans women serve in HUGELY higher percentages of their population. Staggeringly larger numbers of the trans women in this country have served in the military. And all the while, their total of the entire military population in the US is tiny, their desire for service cannot be undersold.

When a population is THAT much in favor of service, that says something about their character, and how they feel about this country. It is damning that some folks feel that they are "lesser" for being a hair more complex than being a single issue population. Which, in truth, NO ONE really is, be they Evangelical Christians--some of whom actually DO support marriage equality as a for instance--or just in issues of ethnicity or their education levels.


Sounds like another way for the Veterans Administration to try and cut corners at the veterans expense in the end, is what this all really boils down to. Isn't the guy in charge of the VA the same guy that says that Agent Orange isn't a thing?
 
2017-08-06 08:13:21 PM  

fusillade762: A lot of straight, white males sure seem desperate to have a group they can shiat on. As a straight, white male myself I really don't understand it.


Son, you're never gonna make it in the German porn industry with an attitude like that.
 
2017-08-06 08:13:29 PM  
Citing "sources familiar with the planning" The Blade's Karen Ocamb explains the White House policy "would encourage early retirement, usher out any enlisted personnel after their contract is up, and would fire trans officers up for promotion."

Yeah, i don'y think they're gonna be very fired up...
 
2017-08-06 08:14:36 PM  

Commander Lysdexic: Lee Jackson Beauregard: Johnny Rockets: Yeah, it's such a radical position to take that people who are in the country illegally and commit crimes should get the boot.

This was precisely Barack Obama's policy. He directed the Vaterlandssicherheitsdepartment to put priority on Ill Eagles who had committed crimes. But that wasn't enough for the orange shirts, and as a result, we have people who came here as small children and don't speak Spanish being kicked out.

Careful. He may report you for insulting him


That was truly the funniest thing I read all day.

"Don't insult me or I'll report you!"
 
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