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(The Hill)   Arizona Senator takes a bold stand against birtherism. No, not that one   ( thehill.com) divider line
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2017-08-06 01:08:32 PM  
Is he getting ready for a presidential bid or something? He's towed the party line as much as any of them and is well known for how for-sale he is. He's altered course a bit in Trump's wake, but, only verbally. His actions are all still right in line with the mother ship.
 
2017-08-06 01:16:34 PM  
Oh just fark off. It's a little too late to start pining for the good old days of having a competent leader in the white house.
 
2017-08-06 01:23:10 PM  

HakunaMatata: Is he getting ready for a presidential bid or something?


He's selling a book. He might also have realized that Trump was a bridge too far, and that the Republicans got lucky in the Electoral College this time.
 
2017-08-06 01:41:11 PM  
It's ridiculous to believe the White House could be over run by secret foreign run entities.
 
2017-08-06 02:14:30 PM  
Goldwater is rolling in his grave. Conscious of a conservative indeed.
 
2017-08-06 02:26:27 PM  

HakunaMatata: Is he getting ready for a presidential bid or something?


He is VERY unpopular. Like a 37% approval rate. He's running towards the middle to try to remedy his tanking numbers.
 
2017-08-06 02:27:01 PM  

HawgWild: HakunaMatata: Is he getting ready for a presidential bid or something?

He is VERY unpopular. Like a 37% approval rate. He's running towards the middle to try to remedy his tanking numbers.


And he's up for re-election next year.
 
2017-08-06 02:36:34 PM  

Unobtanium: HakunaMatata: Is he getting ready for a presidential bid or something?

He's selling a book. He might also have realized that Trump was a bridge too far, and that the Republicans got lucky in the Electoral College this time.


He was on Meet the Press this morning, too.
 
2017-08-06 02:47:13 PM  
Flake can fark right off.  He's so in the tank for Trump it's not even funny.
 
2017-08-06 02:59:41 PM  
Conscience of a Conservative? The GOP is so intellectually bankrupt they can't even come up with new titles for campaign doorstoppers?
 
2017-08-06 03:29:58 PM  
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2017-08-06 03:57:55 PM  
It would have been bold if he said that 8 years ago.
 
2017-08-06 03:58:12 PM  

HakunaMatata: Is he getting ready for a presidential bid or something? He's towed the party line as much as any of them and is well known for how for-sale he is. He's altered course a bit in Trump's wake, but, only verbally. His actions are all still right in line with the mother ship.


Came here to ask this.  He's as stereotypical a chicken-farker as they come, the last month or so of trying to pivot away from his own actions and voting history to say things that are popular nationally and unpopular in his home district reeks of an ill-advised plan to campaign for national office.
 
2017-08-06 03:59:16 PM  
The Arizona senator that talks all mavericky but still votes nearly straight party line. No, not that one. The other one.

No wait, both of them.
 
2017-08-06 03:59:23 PM  
I wish you would have stood up against the tea party, against the hard core religious zealots, against Norquist, against a lot of things you gutless turds have rolled over for.
 
2017-08-06 04:00:10 PM  
The problem is you're a conservative, champ. Your ideology led to this because your ideology is poison. If you're going to try and run almost exclusively on hating other people, eventually you're going to run out of who YOU think the other people are and YOU'RE going to become the other person.

All this ridiculous navel-gazing from the right lately about Trump and all the things THEY used to enable him in the first place is just laughable. They're just upset that their decades-long rampage has turned back on them now that being "establishment" is part of the out crowd with the right-wing nut crew.
 
2017-08-06 04:00:55 PM  
Even a stopped clock is right nine years later.
 
2017-08-06 04:01:06 PM  

HawgWild: HawgWild: HakunaMatata: Is he getting ready for a presidential bid or something?

He is VERY unpopular. Like a 37% approval rate. He's running towards the middle to try to remedy his tanking numbers.

And he's up for re-election next year.


He will have a shot at a new career if he gets enough national publicity. e.g. when fox decides they were always against trump he could even get a TV gig. There are plenty of republican lobbying organizations with deep pockets who might want some trump deodorant as well.
 
2017-08-06 04:03:15 PM  

HawgWild: HakunaMatata: Is he getting ready for a presidential bid or something?

He is VERY unpopular. Like a 37% approval rate. He's running towards the middle to try to remedy his tanking numbers.


37% should take it, with one percent to spare, even.
 
2017-08-06 04:06:09 PM  

skozlaw: The problem is you're a conservative, champ. Your ideology led to this because your ideology is poison. If you're going to try and run almost exclusively on hating other people, eventually you're going to run out of who YOU think the other people are and YOU'RE going to become the other person.

All this ridiculous navel-gazing from the right lately about Trump and all the things THEY used to enable him in the first place is just laughable. They're just upset that their decades-long rampage has turned back on them now that being "establishment" is part of the out crowd with the right-wing nut crew.


that was pretty much what he said on MTP. "oops we screwed up and 2018 is going to be ugly".
 
2017-08-06 04:07:05 PM  
Too late, Flake.  Republicans and conservatives will be the party of racist conspiracy theories for decades.
 
2017-08-06 04:08:25 PM  
Jesus already forgave him, so it's ok.
 
2017-08-06 04:11:45 PM  

HakunaMatata: Is he getting ready for a presidential bid or something? He's towed the party line as much as any of them and is well known for how for-sale he is. He's altered course a bit in Trump's wake, but, only verbally. His actions are all still right in line with the mother ship.


Link
 
2017-08-06 04:12:35 PM  
So concerned.. What're you going to DO about it? Change your behavior any?
 
2017-08-06 04:13:19 PM  

HawgWild: HakunaMatata: Is he getting ready for a presidential bid or something?

He is VERY unpopular. Like a 37% approval rate. He's running towards the middle to try to remedy his tanking numbers.


But it's Arizona. They'll pull the R lever because derp.
 
2017-08-06 04:13:34 PM  

basemetal: I wish you would have stood up against the tea party, against the hard core religious zealots, against Norquist, against a lot of things you gutless turds have rolled over for.


And the doggies too.
 
2017-08-06 04:13:49 PM  

Raoul Eaton: HakunaMatata: Is he getting ready for a presidential bid or something? He's towed the party line as much as any of them and is well known for how for-sale he is. He's altered course a bit in Trump's wake, but, only verbally. His actions are all still right in line with the mother ship.

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2017-08-06 04:13:51 PM  
fark you fark you fark you. You didn't do shiat when you knew it was wrong because you're a farking coward. You're still not doing anything, Flake.
 
2017-08-06 04:14:55 PM  

HawgWild: HawgWild: HakunaMatata: Is he getting ready for a presidential bid or something?

He is VERY unpopular. Like a 37% approval rate. He's running towards the middle to try to remedy his tanking numbers.

And he's up for re-election next year.


Ding ding ding.
 
2017-08-06 04:15:09 PM  

HakunaMatata: Is he getting ready for a presidential bid or something? He's towed the party line as much as any of them and is well known for how for-sale he is. He's altered course a bit in Trump's wake, but, only verbally. His actions are all still right in line with the mother ship.


Probably positioning himself for a dramatic shift away from the "how dumb can we go" to a bit of an "intelligence revolution" if you will.
 
2017-08-06 04:17:10 PM  

Lackofname: HawgWild: HakunaMatata: Is he getting ready for a presidential bid or something?

He is VERY unpopular. Like a 37% approval rate. He's running towards the middle to try to remedy his tanking numbers.

But it's Arizona. They'll pull the R lever because derp.


He has "You're getting primaried!" poll numbers ...
 
2017-08-06 04:17:11 PM  

Satanic_Hamster: Too late, Flake.  Republicans and conservatives will be the party of racist conspiracy theories for decades.


Yeah, and writing a new "Conscience of a Conservative" isn't the best way to rebrand.

From the original:

[T]he federal Constitution does not require the States to maintain racially mixed schools. Despite the recent holding of the Supreme Court, I am firmly convinced--not only that integrated schools are not required--but that the Constitution does not permit any interference whatsoever by the federal government in the field of education. It may be just or wise or expedient for negro children to attend the same schools as white children, but they do not have a civil right to do so which is protected by the federal constitution, or which is enforceable by the federal government.

In the famous school integration decision, Brown v. Board of Education (1954), the Supreme Court justices expressly acknowledged that they were not being guided by the intentions of the amendment's authors. "in approaching this problem," Chief Justice Warren said "we cannot turn the clock back to 1868 when the amendment was adopted... We must consider public education in the light of its full development and in its present place in American life throughout the nation." In effect, the Court said that what matters is not the ideas of the men who wrote the Constitution, but the Court's ideas. It was only by engrafting its own views onto the established law of the land that the Court was able to reach the decision it did.

The Constitution is what its authors intended it to be and said it was--not what the Supreme Court says it is. If we condone the practice of substituting our own intentions for those of the Constitution's framers, we reject, in effect, the principle of Constitutional Government: we endorse a rule of men, not of laws.

I have great respect for the Supreme Court as an institution, but I cannot believe that I display that respect by submitting abjectly to abuses of power by the Court, and by condoning its unconstitutional trespass into the legislative sphere of government. The Congress and the States, equally with the Supreme Court, are obliged to interpret and comply with the Constitution according to their own lights.

I believe that the problem of race relations, like all social and cultural problems, is best handled by the people directly concerned. Social and cultural change, however desirable, should not be effected by the engines of national power. Let us, through persuasion and education, seek to improve institutions we deem defective. But let us, in doing so, respect the orderly processes of the law. Any other course enthrones tyrants and dooms freedom.
 
2017-08-06 04:18:00 PM  
he's selling a book and if Gout boy Lardo Queen had decent poll numbers,we wouldn't be hearing shiat from Flake.


Fark right off senator.
 
2017-08-06 04:19:27 PM  
Flake said the birther movement, a conspiracy theory that claimed former President Barack Obama was not born in the United States, "was particularly ugly."

Yup, just like conservatives to only admit mistakes in circumstances where it will cause them no cost, no loss of face, and requires no effort at all. It's only bonus points that it's far too late for this lip service to matter to anyone.

fark you, Flake. This is useful to nobody.
 
2017-08-06 04:22:53 PM  
"Conscience of a Conservative." ? I wasn't aware they had one since Nixon.
 
2017-08-06 04:23:31 PM  
"Aw shucks, why I was never ok with the bad things, sure I voted for them all and never spoke out or quit the party or anything, but gosh, won't you all still vote for me even as our country is sold out from under us because Jebusgayswimmensthinkofthechildren? Can't you see how wholesome I look?"

Disingenuous pos  The only upside if we don't manage to move out of this pos state is getting to vote for better people over him and his other 45* sock-cuckers.
 
2017-08-06 04:23:33 PM  
If only one brave Republican Senator had had the courage to speak out load against this birther madness, perhaps we would have been saved?
 
2017-08-06 04:24:07 PM  

Craptastic: "Conscience of a Conservative." ? I wasn't aware they had one since Nixon.


They have one.  Most of them know they're sacks of shiat.  They just choose to ignore it because, well, they're sacks.
 
2017-08-06 04:24:07 PM  

skozlaw: The problem is you're a conservative, champ. Your ideology led to this because your ideology is poison. If you're going to try and run almost exclusively on hating other people, eventually you're going to run out of who YOU think the other people are and YOU'RE going to become the other person.

All this ridiculous navel-gazing from the right lately about Trump and all the things THEY used to enable him in the first place is just laughable. They're just upset that their decades-long rampage has turned back on them now that being "establishment" is part of the out crowd with the right-wing nut crew.


The only reason they're coming out against Trump now is that they see a way to ditch the teabagger/Freedom Caucus bullshiat onto Trump as they try for another 2008/9 style reinvention of themselves.  They don't regret a farking thing outside of not being able to control Trump and turn him into a Reagan archetype.  And now that he's shiatting all over the place and putting the House and Senate well into the grip of the Democrats, they're doing their level best to save their asses and jobs.  I wouldn't be surprised if they even started finding people who can run against Trump in 2020 and then fail to the Democrat so they can go back to being the terminal oppressed party that just biatches all the time but never wants anything except an easy paycheck and spots on Sunday news shows to preen and posture about the right-wing political points that don't work in reality.

The Republicans are working back to a point where the Democrats are fixing everything and they're sitting back in lawn chairs biatching and whining to their bigoted voter bloc.  And Trump farked that up nicely for them.
 
2017-08-06 04:24:42 PM  

HawgWild: HakunaMatata: Is he getting ready for a presidential bid or something?

He is VERY unpopular. Like a 37% approval rate. He's running towards the middle to try to remedy his tanking numbers.


Right, and when a Democrat runs against him, a majority of Arizona will hold their noses and vote for Flake
 
2017-08-06 04:28:43 PM  
Oh fark off, y'all wholeheartedly embraced that birthed nonsense. Remember when Donald Trump made it the central plank for his presidential run in 2012? A man with no credibility, no experience, running on a platform of nonsense conspiracy theories should have been ignored. . . But no, you guys raised him onto an alter. Your presidential candidates sought his endorsement! For farksake, HE IS PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES RIGHT NOW!

You know what. . . fine! You wish you could've stood up to the birther nonsense? Great! As far as I'm concerned, that nonsense is still going on as long as Trump is in office. . . So what are you going to do now?
 
2017-08-06 04:40:51 PM  
FTA "a lot of people stood up against the birther movement, just not enough"

And not one of those 'a lot' had an R behind their name.
 
2017-08-06 04:40:55 PM  
Kind of amusing - the expression "flake" is used to describe the sort who isn't the worst guy - but always a day late and a dollar short.
 
2017-08-06 04:48:29 PM  
I really believe that Birtherism is a turning point that helped spawned the anti-intellectual culture that enabled Trump.

The GOP base became willing to embrace batshiat crazy and racist conspiracy theories, which primed them to believe in any alternate reality presented them.

All politicians lie, but the GOP has turned the dial to the point where the lies do not have to be plausible/believable.
 
2017-08-06 04:49:40 PM  
Fark him and his boyfriend.. er.. exboyfriend Gosar.
 
2017-08-06 04:49:46 PM  
Let's take a look inside "Conscience of a Conservative"...

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2017-08-06 04:51:24 PM  
To be somewhat fair to the other senator.

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2017-08-06 04:57:42 PM  
Now he says it.  Where was he beating this drum the past 8 years?
 
2017-08-06 04:58:27 PM  

novalord2: I really believe that Birtherism is a turning point that helped spawned the anti-intellectual culture that enabled Trump.

The GOP base became willing to embrace batshiat crazy and racist conspiracy theories, which primed them to believe in any alternate reality presented them.

All politicians lie, but the GOP has turned the dial to the point where the lies do not have to be plausible/believable.


Yeah, Trump jumped on the birther bandwagon even after most people on the right had given up on it; even Fox News talking heads had reached the point where they didn't want to be tainted with it.  Trump even doubled down after the long-form was released, and insisted that his investigators in Hawaii had made shocking discoveries.  The GOP knew what they were getting when they nominated him.
 
2017-08-06 05:02:05 PM  

novalord2: I really believe that Birtherism is a turning point that helped spawned the anti-intellectual culture that enabled Trump.

The GOP base became willing to embrace batshiat crazy and racist conspiracy theories, which primed them to believe in any alternate reality presented them.

All politicians lie, but the GOP has turned the dial to the point where the lies do not have to be plausible/believable.


Trump would have us forget that he himself had more than a tiny hand in the whole birther BS. Whether or not he'd planned on running yet back then, he increased his own chances.
 
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