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2017-08-06 07:55:52 AM  
 
2017-08-06 08:00:54 AM  
Lockbox.
 
2017-08-06 08:17:16 AM  
This is why one should avoid politicising those important planet altering thingies.
With bonus lesson on choosing the wrong politician for any damn thing more important than walking the dog.
 
2017-08-06 08:37:14 AM  
Aww, you farks have known ol' Al for a long time.
You should know by now that Al is not capable of just lettin' go. Just not gonna happen.
 
2017-08-06 09:02:54 AM  
No Al. You found a way to grasp defeat from the Jaws of victory. No reason it should have come down to a supreme Court decision.
 
2017-08-06 09:05:47 AM  
lots of shenanigans going on in Fla 2000. Mostly Katherine Harris and her illegal voter roll purge the Gov Bush let her get away with to help his brother. They knew exactly what they were doing ,they were told what would happen and they pretended like it wasn't intentional or avoidable.  And the Brooks bros fake riot that gave cover for Jeb to stop the recount was another illegal act they got away with.
 
2017-08-06 09:06:11 AM  
It a man flunks out of something as simple as divinity school... I wouldn't put much stock in him actually comprehending complex science like climate change.

Jim Baker is all he ever wanted to be.
 
2017-08-06 09:06:27 AM  
Don't forget the voter purging that removed anyone's name that resembled a felon's name...
 
2017-08-06 09:07:10 AM  
Oh god. Is this going to be Hillary in 2033?!
 
2017-08-06 09:08:24 AM  
Or how Katherine Harris erased the results from the state computers following the outcome.
 
2017-08-06 09:09:11 AM  

misanthropicsob: Oh god. Is this going to be Hillary in 2033?!


She is hiring her campaign staff back...believe it.  She is like a case of herpes.
 
2017-08-06 09:09:28 AM  
It became karmic, though when Bush turned out to be a total idiot as president.
 
2017-08-06 09:17:41 AM  

misanthropicsob: Oh god. Is this going to be Hillary in 2033?!


Probably
 
2017-08-06 09:18:13 AM  
Maher brought the issue up. Gore said the very reasonable position that he won and asked to change the subject.

Meanwhile, subby, how's the coconut doing? Still lodged up there?
 
2017-08-06 09:18:33 AM  
I can understand still being a bit butthurt what with the questionable antics that went on and what with the winner-take-all prize of Leader of the Free World being on the line. Yeah. I'd be a bit upset, too.
 
2017-08-06 09:18:45 AM  

FarkaDark: No Al. You found a way to grasp defeat from the Jaws of victory. No reason it should have come down to a supreme Court decision.


It shouldn't have been close enough that Jeb! and Harris had room to cheat in the other Bush's favor. But they DID cheat the vote into his favor. And the Supreme Court said, "I'll allow this..."
 
2017-08-06 09:18:47 AM  

Jake Havechek: It became karmic, though when Bush turned out to be a total idiot as president.


That's easy to say, but he is also the reason for thousands of dead Americans in Iraq and hundreds of thousands of dead Iraqis and Syrians.

Note: I don't "blame" him for Afghanistan because I think President Gore would have ordered retaliation and listened to his generals, but it would be insulting to the soldiers who went to Afghanistan to avenge us.

Note 2: I blame Bush for invading and destabilizing Iraq leading to the rise of ISIS and the renewed proxy war between Persians and Arabs (that started shortly after the death of Mohammad).
 
2017-08-06 09:18:57 AM  
Given the PMRC and the Gore's efforts on censorship it's was hard for to come around on Al, but given what we know about Bush the Minor and trump, I have no doubt he would have been a better president than both. Considering the GOP's constant cries about voter fraud and illegal voters while gerrymandering the shiat out of the nation and giving zero farks about Russian interference in our election it's not hard for me to believe they stole it from Gore. Their 'methinks thou doth protest to much' attitude about election fraud and illegal voting only goes so far. Plus, as a collective whole, the GOP are a bunch of duplicitous, flint hearted, party before country pieces of shiat capable of any nefarious acts. As an aside, the word nefarious comes from the Latin word Nefas. Any act, action, word or deed committed by a Roman that was thought to be detrimental to the State (usually by offending, or interrupting Rome's tranquility with, the Gods bringing their displeasure or turning away) was declared nefas. I can't recall all of the punishments for the proscribed but I do know any citizen was required to kill the offender on sight. Not advised, required. The GOP is nefas.
 
2017-08-06 09:23:36 AM  

ColonelCathcart: Jake Havechek: It became karmic, though when Bush turned out to be a total idiot as president.

That's easy to say, but he is also the reason for thousands of dead Americans in Iraq and hundreds of thousands of dead Iraqis and Syrians.

Note: I don't "blame" him for Afghanistan because I think President Gore would have ordered retaliation and listened to his generals, but it would be insulting to the soldiers who went to Afghanistan to avenge us.

Note 2: I blame Bush for invading and destabilizing Iraq leading to the rise of ISIS and the renewed proxy war between Persians and Arabs (that started shortly after the death of Mohammad).


This is true.

The portrait of Mr. "War President" in the White House is not accurate in that you can't see the blood on his hands.
 
2017-08-06 09:26:01 AM  

Hobodeluxe: lots of shenanigans going on in Fla 2000. Mostly Katherine Harris and her illegal voter roll purge the Gov Bush let her get away with to help his brother. They knew exactly what they were doing ,they were told what would happen and they pretended like it wasn't intentional or avoidable.  And the Brooks bros fake riot that gave cover for Jeb to stop the recount was another illegal act they got away with.


Yup, the voter purge did more to secure the victory than anything else.

And no, I won't let it go either.  The Bush years set us back economically, in foreign standing in the world, and massively exacerbated what was already a mess in the middle East.  Our world would literally be way different if that man had not been robbed that election.
 
2017-08-06 09:27:03 AM  
Let it go
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 Can't hold it back anymore
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2017-08-06 09:29:30 AM  

rudemix: Given the PMRC and the Gore's efforts on censorship it's was hard for to come around on Al, but given what we know about Bush the Minor and trump, I have no doubt he would have been a better president than both.   [...]


I see your problem. You think Tipper was running for president.

2 different people.
 
2017-08-06 09:34:17 AM  

FarkaDark: No Al. You found a way to grasp defeat from the Jaws of victory. No reason it should have come down to a supreme Court decision.


He won the popular vote yet lost the Electoral College, you dope.
 
2017-08-06 09:36:43 AM  
If Al had won, he wouldn't have had the time to have ridden the mighty Moon Worm...
 
2017-08-06 09:36:43 AM  

Thenixon: FarkaDark: No Al. You found a way to grasp defeat from the Jaws of victory. No reason it should have come down to a supreme Court decision.

It shouldn't have been close enough that Jeb! and Harris had room to cheat in the other Bush's favor. But they DID cheat the vote into his favor. And the Supreme Court said, "I'll allow this..."


Poor Floridians had for years had their votes discounted. So, they developed the habit of marking their ballots unambiguously. They'd mark their choices AND (remember "hanging chads"?) write it in. For the 2000 election, Florida threw out unambiguous double marked ballots. These are an entirely different set of ballots than the "hanging chad" ballots for which the recount was suspended by the SCOTUS. These were ballots that had been legal and were unambiguously marked. Counting these, Gore won by well over 10,000 votes.
 
2017-08-06 09:36:44 AM  
I wonder if Al and Hillary meet up, get drunk, and rant about their election woes.

I would if I were them.
Hell, I have my own drunken election rants.
 
2017-08-06 09:37:20 AM  

Thenixon: FarkaDark: No Al. You found a way to grasp defeat from the Jaws of victory. No reason it should have come down to a supreme Court decision.

It shouldn't have been close enough that Jeb! and Harris had room to cheat in the other Bush's favor. But they DID cheat the vote into his favor. And the Supreme Court said, "I'll allow this..."


Much like with boxing and MMA, never let it go to the judges.
 
2017-08-06 09:41:10 AM  

Scorpitron is reduced to a thin red paste: He won the popular vote


there is no popular vote contest to win.
 
2017-08-06 09:42:13 AM  
He's right you know
 
2017-08-06 09:45:12 AM  
Gore won, but Brooks Brothers made a small fortune on Florida visitors, and Bush got the White House.

Reagan's crew squeezed out of Iran-Israel-Contra with barely a scratch and picked up a few FOX contracts.

There's something about the lack of consequence that is even more troubling than one election. The lack of consequence is noticed by countries unfriendly to the US, too. I'm sure I'm alone in thinking this.
 
2017-08-06 09:53:21 AM  

mr lawson: Scorpitron is reduced to a thin red paste: He won the popular vote

there is no popular vote contest to win.


No, but many of us think the popular vote is the more legitimate measure and should be what counts.

We have the right to think that and resent the current situation.
 
2017-08-06 09:53:26 AM  
Why let it go? It's likely the truth. And probably the most momentous event of the decade, because if Gore had been president, there would have been no Iraq invasion. No ISIS. And just maybe no 9/11.
 
2017-08-06 10:00:51 AM  
If Republicans had had this many elections stolen so closely together, they'd be following though on their constant threats of armed retribution.

They should be kissing the feet of Democrats and Liberals for being so civil.
 
2017-08-06 10:02:18 AM  
They recounted the votes and he DID win Florida.
 
2017-08-06 10:12:36 AM  

yakmans_dad: rudemix: Given the PMRC and the Gore's efforts on censorship it's was hard for to come around on Al, but given what we know about Bush the Minor and trump, I have no doubt he would have been a better president than both.   [...]

I see your problem. You think Tipper was running for president.

2 different people.


I bad grammared in my post. I meant to The Gores' not the Gore's. I am aware of Tipper and her efforts to form the PRMC. I also believe Al's position as senator at the time, and his support, helped propel the whole PRMC movement forward up to and including senate hearings on censorship of music. So yes it wasn't easy for me to come around to voting for Gore as President picturing his wife cramming some Nancy Reagan-esque "Just Say No" program in regards to music and the arts and censorship into America. In the end I voted for the person I thought would do a better job as president despite my misgivings.
 
2017-08-06 10:13:24 AM  

bigfatbuddhist: They recounted the votes and he DID win Florida.


So did Bush; it all depends on what vote standard you cherry-pick.

The one consistent result of the post-vote analysis is that, more than anything, stupid Florida voters cost Gore the election.
 
2017-08-06 10:13:58 AM  

GoldSpider: bigfatbuddhist: They recounted the votes and he DID win Florida.

So did Bush; it all depends on what vote standard you cherry-pick.

The one consistent result of the post-vote analysis is that, more than anything, stupid Florida voters cost Gore the election.


Forgot the link.
 
2017-08-06 10:18:53 AM  

70Ford: Let it go
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 Can't hold it back anymore
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Let it go, let it go
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Turn away and slam the door
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Do you Wanna Steal an Election?
It doesn't have to be an Election
 
2017-08-06 10:19:35 AM  
I'm tired of rehash for breakfast every day.
Thank you for your service, Al.
Now shut the f**k up.
 
2017-08-06 10:25:06 AM  

Scorpitron is reduced to a thin red paste: FarkaDark: No Al. You found a way to grasp defeat from the Jaws of victory. No reason it should have come down to a supreme Court decision.

He won the popular vote yet lost the Electoral College, you dope.


Exactly moron. Now get back to your parents basement.
 
2017-08-06 10:26:39 AM  
Could the GOP just hurry up and turn this country into a steaming pile of rubble so we can get on with starting over from scratch? Thank you.
 
2017-08-06 10:29:36 AM  

GoldSpider: bigfatbuddhist: They recounted the votes and he DID win Florida.

So did Bush; it all depends on what vote standard you cherry-pick.

The one consistent result of the post-vote analysis is that, more than anything, stupid Florida voters cost Gore the election.


Yeah, I heard all the stupidity at the time.  I refer to the fact that, if every vote was counted that could be, with NO ambiguity, Gore won.  The overvotes were NOT overvotes.  It was writing in "Gore" and filling in that box.  But, Republicans counted those as overvotes.
 
2017-08-06 10:29:50 AM  
Fark you subby.  He farking won that election and just IMAGINE WHAT THE WORLD WOULD BE LIKE RIGHT NOW had they not stolen it.  No 9/11. No Iraq war. No ISIS. No Trump.

Go fark yourselves, all of you republican shiat farkers.
 
2017-08-06 10:32:47 AM  

FarkaDark: No Al. You found a way to grasp defeat from the Jaws of victory. No reason it should have come down to a supreme Court decision.


Precisely in what way was he responsible for Nader's spoiler campaign, the numerous lies the media focused on to discredit his campaign, the purging of black voters from Florida's rolls, the corrupt way in which the Florida count was carried out, the deliberately confusing design of Florida's ballots, or the Supreme Court illegally intervening in the state of Florida's recount process to unconstitutionally usurp the right to decide a too-close-to-call election from Congress?

Gore's not the one at fault: fools like you who justify crime because it's easier and lazier than following the rules, and less frightening than admitting that one of the two parties in our system is dedicated to corrupting our democracy are.
 
2017-08-06 10:55:55 AM  

bigfatbuddhist: GoldSpider: bigfatbuddhist: They recounted the votes and he DID win Florida.

So did Bush; it all depends on what vote standard you cherry-pick.

The one consistent result of the post-vote analysis is that, more than anything, stupid Florida voters cost Gore the election.

Yeah, I heard all the stupidity at the time.  I refer to the fact that, if every vote was counted that could be, with NO ambiguity, Gore won.  The overvotes were NOT overvotes.  It was writing in "Gore" and filling in that box.  But, Republicans counted those as overvotes.


And it ended in a judicial coup. And.. here we are.
 
2017-08-06 10:59:09 AM  
He has a sense of humor, assholes.
 
2017-08-06 11:01:01 AM  

mudesi: Fark you subby.  He farking won that election and just IMAGINE WHAT THE WORLD WOULD BE LIKE RIGHT NOW had they not stolen it.  No 9/11. No Iraq war. No ISIS. No Trump.

Go fark yourselves, all of you republican shiat farkers.


9/11 would almost certainly have happened anyway, the feds just didn't put the clues together. Unlikely that would have changed even if a President had ordered up extra scrutiny. The FBI botched it.

As for the rest, who knows. Gore might have lost in 2004 to who knows what idiot. The Great Recession happens anyway, idiot gets a second term, and you get a repeat of Hoover turning a recession in to the Great Depression.
 
2017-08-06 11:01:31 AM  

Heron: FarkaDark: No Al. You found a way to grasp defeat from the Jaws of victory. No reason it should have come down to a supreme Court decision.

Precisely in what way was he responsible for Nader's spoiler campaign, the numerous lies the media focused on to discredit his campaign, the purging of black voters from Florida's rolls, the corrupt way in which the Florida count was carried out, the deliberately confusing design of Florida's ballots, or the Supreme Court illegally intervening in the state of Florida's recount process to unconstitutionally usurp the right to decide a too-close-to-call election from Congress?

Gore's not the one at fault: fools like you who justify crime because it's easier and lazier than following the rules, and less frightening than admitting that one of the two parties in our system is dedicated to corrupting our democracy are.


So angry this fine morning you gotta lob internet insults at people you can't see. You seem qualified for a job on talk radio or Infowars.

If the VP of an administration that just presided over 8 years of peace, prosperity and world changing technological advancement can't make a case why he is qualified to run the country (aka keep the good times rolling) then maybe he is the problem. If he will not let the current president campaign on his behalf, especially in competitive states where Clinton was popular, then maybe he is letting his petty ego get in the way of victory

You can go back to your name calling.
 
2017-08-06 11:12:08 AM  
Gore stated a fact. He won the popular vote in Florida, which means he carried it. The vote totals for the entire state, when counted using any standard (hanging chad or otherwise), were a win for Gore.

The fact that this vote total was determined only after Gore had foolishly conceded the election doesn't change this fact. It *does* mean that Gore was incredibly stupid to concede that early, and that blame lies on him.
 
2017-08-06 11:38:55 AM  

bloobeary: I'm just gonna leave this here:
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2001/jan/29/uselections2000.usa


yup. The votes don't matter and are not really counted if they are going to make any real difference. fark it, makes a person ask why even bother.
 
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