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(Washington Post)   About those Democrat "Obama-Trump" voters that crossed the line because they hated Hillary...yeah, make that Republican "Bush-Obama-Trump" voters (that still likely hated Hillary). Here comes the political science   ( washingtonpost.com) divider line
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2017-08-05 09:06:13 AM  
A delusion of the pro Hillary crowd doesn't exist. Color me shocked?

In truth, she didn't even lose to Donnie Fondles, but the electoral college wasn't lined up against a wall and shot in 2000, so here we are.
 
2017-08-05 09:21:47 AM  
I've run into people who voted against Clinton because they hated how her husband had a beej in the Oval Office. I ran into an old woman who hated Hilary because she stuck by Bill after the affair and didn't divorce him; so she voted for Trump.

These people are idiots.
 
2017-08-05 09:38:49 AM  

Scorpitron is reduced to a thin red paste: I've run into people who voted against Clinton because they hated how her husband had a beej in the Oval Office. I ran into an old woman who hated Hilary because she stuck by Bill after the affair and didn't divorce him; so she voted for Trump.

These people are idiots.


I just cannot stand that Sunday school teacher who forgave her husband for adultery!! I know just how to voice my disapproval of her moral failings, I'll vote for a serial adulterer!!
 
2017-08-05 09:40:07 AM  
So, in order to go after the Trump Democrats, which don't exist, the party is moving right and signing up pro-life candidates.

Funny though, every time I or others here in the Rust Belt point out that, oh, the Teamsters endorsed a Republican for Senate in Ohio, or that a lot of folks around here are pissed at the economic policies that have sent their jobs overseas or given them to robots, or otherwise tried to get a word in edgewise to the party about what matters to us, the coastal Dems explain to us why we are totally wrong about everything and that if we don't like their Demsplaining then we can just STFU and vote for the guys who keep farking us over.  Then those Dems go fundraise off their Wall Street motherfarker friends who are closing our jobs down while they get richer.

Then, when we don't bother to vote for the Dem party ticket again, it's name-calling and blame instead of listening, despite so many analysts saying, "STFU and listen to the swing states!"

/inb4 the perennial blue state Dems claim they know how to win because they keep winning in their solid blue states
//just because you keep winning in the PAC-12 doesn't mean you know how to win in the SEC or B1G
///3
 
2017-08-05 09:43:12 AM  
So those stories were... fake news?
 
2017-08-05 09:48:28 AM  
null:  derp

So Obama was the perfectly pure progressive candidate is what you're saying?  That's how he swung those votes in the first place?
 
2017-08-05 09:49:43 AM  
I'm afraid too many remain in denial about both how diverse and fickle the electorate is.

But there is one largely reliable way to unite people, give them an oppressor to unite against. Team Trump used that concept masterfully. So find the worst of Trump supporters and then have some loud-mouth tar any conservative with that brush. FWD fwd fwd that story to GOP lists and you build a coalition. They line up for these dubious reasons holding their nose. Then more accuse all Trump supporters of being equally racist and you back them into a corner from which they react in a very typical way of any cornered animal, and we are animals. Individuals who personally dislike Trump's Islamophobic rhetoric clearly existed. It was evident in the polls. The same with those who didn't like his extreme rhetoric about walls and immigration. But these people were being called racists by the other side. So yes, they liked his tweaking the noses of those who were, as they saw it, so politically correct that they were applying their broad brushes in ways that tarred them with the extremists.

Seriously, Team Hillary walked into it. The actual "deplorables" line was just one manifestation.

Now the question is, will the Dems take Trump's manifestly obnoxious reality and shove it in people's face, push them back into the corner to keep them united or

will they find a way to invite any and all people to share in an authentic renewal of an American Dream. Real opportunity for anyone to work their way into the middle-class. Renew the labor movement to be about increased wages. Heath care for all. That would win, hands down. A clear positive message and invitation for everyone to join. That simple. But no, too many will want to play at "I told you so" and will spoil it and play right into politics of polarization where the GOP have a practiced game and an advantage.
 
2017-08-05 09:49:58 AM  
Sciency....
 
2017-08-05 09:53:45 AM  

LowbrowDeluxe: null:  derp

So Obama was the perfectly pure progressive candidate is what you're saying?  That's how he swung those votes in the first place?


He wasn't Hillary.

That was enough
 
2017-08-05 09:55:31 AM  
Hillary supporters voted for Trump.
 
2017-08-05 09:55:50 AM  

LowbrowDeluxe: null:  derp

So Obama was the perfectly pure progressive candidate is what you're saying?  That's how he swung those votes in the first place?


He showed up in the Rust Belt multiple times and convinced enough people he gave a shiat and was trying to look out for them.

Plus the first time he was able to ride a whole pile of anti-Wall Street, anti-GOP fark-up resentment in.

Plus the second time he was up against Mitt Rmoney, the epitome of rich white guy failing to connect with voters and who took a big steaming shiat over the nation with his 47% comment.

Also, you win no friends by quoting me with "derp".  shiat like that is why people get tired and stay home.
 
2017-08-05 09:57:56 AM  

doglover: LowbrowDeluxe: null:  derp

So Obama was the perfectly pure progressive candidate is what you're saying?  That's how he swung those votes in the first place?

He wasn't Hillary.

That was enough


http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-democrats-ohio-idUSKBN1AB1A3
 
2017-08-05 09:58:32 AM  

J Noble Daggett: But there is one largely reliable way to unite people, give them an oppressor to unite against


Isn't that more of a Republican strategy to win?

What seems to work for Democrats is being a dark horse candidate. Obama*, Clinton, and Carter were all relative unknowns nationally before running.

*Well, politically new, he did make a hell of an impression at the 2004 convention
 
2017-08-05 10:00:29 AM  

BalugaJoe: Hillary supporters voted for Trump.


http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/giant-meteor-of-deat​h​-hitting-earth-poll-voters-prefer-over-hillary-clinton-donald-trump

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-election-meteor-idUSKCN12I20S

A decent number of people hated both so bad they preferred Giant Meteor.

Problem is, those people were the votes Dems needed.
 
2017-08-05 10:05:07 AM  

mutterfark: J Noble Daggett: But there is one largely reliable way to unite people, give them an oppressor to unite against

Isn't that more of a Republican strategy to win?

What seems to work for Democrats is being a dark horse candidate. Obama*, Clinton, and Carter were all relative unknowns nationally before running.

*Well, politically new, he did make a hell of an impression at the 2004 convention


Actually, Obama had a nice strategy of coming out as the populist, anti-Wall Street guy, right when a whole farkton of Americans had lost their jobs and shirts in the market which was left to fark us over by the no-regulations-no-oversight rich Republicans.

Hillary "I got paid to give speeches to Goldman Sachs" Clinton had no chance against Donald "ha ha I've screwed the banks and everyone else over and come out on top" Trump.  At least in the eyes of enough voters to win.
 
2017-08-05 10:05:55 AM  
There are probably a few hoary old white evangelical holdouts left over from the pre-Southern strategy era who still call themselves Democrats.There's old Jim Justice from West Virginia, who just recently stopped calling himself one. And I'm trying to remember the Dem Senator from Georgia at the beginning of Obama's first term who was always scolding him for presidenting while black.
 
2017-08-05 11:48:30 AM  
The left needs to drop its fascination with rural and suburban white voters and start protecting its base: minorities and urban whites and unmarried white women. 

There are no swing voters. That's a myth that we keep chasing while our core constituents are being gerrymandered and suppressed so much that we can't even win an election for dogcatcher. 

And yet, we keep having these idiotic discussions about not putting too much emphasis on "identity politics" or how we need to reach out to coal miners or whatever the nonsense du jour is. 

We are weak on two fronts, immigration and the economy. Republicans score much higher on both issues even though they are demonstrably awful at them. But we beat them in polling on every other issue Americans care about especially the one that most Americans care the most about: social welfare programs. We need to slap the GOP in the face with how cruel they are. We ought to be screaming PROTECT SOCIAL SECURITY! PROTECT MEDICARE! PROTECT MEDICAID! PROTECT THE VA!!! 

But we allow them to sidetrack us and muddy the waters with "identity politics". It's all gays, guns, and God. (And race and ladypeaches.) The vast majority of American believe in and support liberal positions yet liberal politicians betray them by trying to convince these idiotic white "swing" voters to throw themselves in with our cause when they hate our base and expect undeliverables like manufacturing jobs or an investment in a syphilitic corpse of an industry like coal mining which even the Chinese have abandoned. 

And these people will never vote for us.
 
2017-08-05 11:56:23 AM  
It was her turn

/s
 
2017-08-05 11:57:26 AM  
More stale, cold rehash?
No thanks - I've already had breakfast.
Progressives an liberals need to stop biting this B8.img.fark.net
They won't quit dropping it until you do.
 
2017-08-05 12:00:36 PM  

null: So, in order to go after the Trump Democrats, which don't exist, the party is moving right and signing up pro-life candidates.

Funny though, every time I or others here in the Rust Belt point out that, oh, the Teamsters endorsed a Republican for Senate in Ohio, or that a lot of folks around here are pissed at the economic policies that have sent their jobs overseas or given them to robots, or otherwise tried to get a word in edgewise to the party about what matters to us, the coastal Dems explain to us why we are totally wrong about everything and that if we don't like their Demsplaining then we can just STFU and vote for the guys who keep farking us over.  Then those Dems go fundraise off their Wall Street motherfarker friends who are closing our jobs down while they get richer.

Then, when we don't bother to vote for the Dem party ticket again, it's name-calling and blame instead of listening, despite so many analysts saying, "STFU and listen to the swing states!"

/inb4 the perennial blue state Dems claim they know how to win because they keep winning in their solid blue states
//just because you keep winning in the PAC-12 doesn't mean you know how to win in the SEC or B1G
///3


I love this post very much.

I'd also add that whenever people bring up genuine economic hardship suffered by traditional Woking class Dem voters who want their plight heard, their cries for help are inevitably recast and slandered as white male concerns.

Guess what? Women and PoC *are also* the working class.
 
2017-08-05 12:03:24 PM  

Scorpitron is reduced to a thin red paste: I've run into people who voted against Clinton because they hated how her husband had a beej in the Oval Office. I ran into an old woman who hated Hilary because she stuck by Bill after the affair and didn't divorce him; so she voted for Trump.

These people are idiots.


mrs schnee was not a big fan of Hillary's stand-by-your-man attitude (which is a lesson for me), but she (mrs schnee) compartmentalized that away a long time before election day.
 
2017-08-05 12:03:30 PM  
I have an idea: rather than address the rather interesting new information in TFA, let's all just drag out our emotional baggage and rehash the exact same points that we make in any thread that touches on the 2016  election cycle. Whichever team ruins the thread first wins!
 
2017-08-05 12:04:43 PM  
Perhaps if the Electoral College were done away with at the same time term limits on the presidency was imposed with the 22nd Amendment, this problem would not have happened.

Obama could have run and been reelected. His choice.

But now, if you're a really good two-term president, your party may not produce a more spectacular replacement. If you're a racist pig, there are hordes willing to win a race to the bottom, however.
 
2017-08-05 12:06:55 PM  

mod_reright: I have an idea: rather than address the rather interesting new information in TFA, let's all just drag out our emotional baggage and rehash the exact same points that we make in any thread that touches on the 2016  election cycle. Whichever team ruins the thread first wins!


I tried that last time and got slammed for not having proof that people didn't really vote for Hillary because of purity politics.

I guess Trump isn't the only one who can't let the election go.
 
2017-08-05 12:07:44 PM  

ginandbacon: The left needs to drop its fascination with rural and suburban white voters and start protecting its base: minorities and urban whites and unmarried white women. 

There are no swing voters. That's a myth that we keep chasing while our core constituents are being gerrymandered and suppressed so much that we can't even win an election for dogcatcher. 

And yet, we keep having these idiotic discussions about not putting too much emphasis on "identity politics" or how we need to reach out to coal miners or whatever the nonsense du jour is. 

We are weak on two fronts, immigration and the economy. Republicans score much higher on both issues even though they are demonstrably awful at them. But we beat them in polling on every other issue Americans care about especially the one that most Americans care the most about: social welfare programs. We need to slap the GOP in the face with how cruel they are. We ought to be screaming PROTECT SOCIAL SECURITY! PROTECT MEDICARE! PROTECT MEDICAID! PROTECT THE VA!!! 

But we allow them to sidetrack us and muddy the waters with "identity politics". It's all gays, guns, and God. (And race and ladypeaches.) The vast majority of American believe in and support liberal positions yet liberal politicians betray them by trying to convince these idiotic white "swing" voters to throw themselves in with our cause when they hate our base and expect undeliverables like manufacturing jobs or an investment in a syphilitic corpse of an industry like coal mining which even the Chinese have abandoned. 

And these people will never vote for us.


Is the base geographically diverse enough to win national elections?
 
2017-08-05 12:08:48 PM  

mod_reright: I have an idea: rather than address the rather interesting new information in TFA, let's all just drag out our emotional baggage and rehash the exact same points that we make in any thread that touches on the 2016  election cycle. Whichever team ruins the thread first wins!


There are just people here attacking Clinton yet still this both sides are bad bullshiat?

This infighting would stop if the Clinton haters would just move on.
 
2017-08-05 12:09:36 PM  

qorkfiend: ginandbacon: The left needs to drop its fascination with rural and suburban white voters and start protecting its base: minorities and urban whites and unmarried white women. 

There are no swing voters. That's a myth that we keep chasing while our core constituents are being gerrymandered and suppressed so much that we can't even win an election for dogcatcher. 

And yet, we keep having these idiotic discussions about not putting too much emphasis on "identity politics" or how we need to reach out to coal miners or whatever the nonsense du jour is. 

We are weak on two fronts, immigration and the economy. Republicans score much higher on both issues even though they are demonstrably awful at them. But we beat them in polling on every other issue Americans care about especially the one that most Americans care the most about: social welfare programs. We need to slap the GOP in the face with how cruel they are. We ought to be screaming PROTECT SOCIAL SECURITY! PROTECT MEDICARE! PROTECT MEDICAID! PROTECT THE VA!!! 

But we allow them to sidetrack us and muddy the waters with "identity politics". It's all gays, guns, and God. (And race and ladypeaches.) The vast majority of American believe in and support liberal positions yet liberal politicians betray them by trying to convince these idiotic white "swing" voters to throw themselves in with our cause when they hate our base and expect undeliverables like manufacturing jobs or an investment in a syphilitic corpse of an industry like coal mining which even the Chinese have abandoned. 

And these people will never vote for us.

Is the base geographically diverse enough to win national elections?


Without voter suppression? Yes. Abso-farking-lutely.
 
2017-08-05 12:10:37 PM  

ginandbacon: The left needs to drop its fascination with rural and suburban white voters and start protecting its base: minorities and urban whites and unmarried white women.


You are ignoring all the polling data, and the history of the Democratic party. It is a recipe for disaster.
It was the recipe followed in 2016. Now you want to double down. Not good.
 
2017-08-05 12:11:17 PM  
Fark: She won the popular vote!
Also Fark: People in "red states" are the problem! Including the millions that voted for her in the popular vote!
 
2017-08-05 12:11:51 PM  
there are some really good well thought out coherent arguments to vote for democrats in here. my fear is the leadership people currently running the party and DCCC etc are categorically unable to see what the party needs. bernie is a good example. every time i see him it's a restatement of his stump speech. the guy has become a parody of himself.
 
2017-08-05 12:12:12 PM  

moothemagiccow: Fark: She won the popular vote!
Also Fark: People in "red states" are the problem! Including the millions that voted for her in the popular vote!


When was the last time you joined a thread without being aggressively contrary?
 
2017-08-05 12:14:01 PM  

ginandbacon: qorkfiend: ginandbacon: The left needs to drop its fascination with rural and suburban white voters and start protecting its base: minorities and urban whites and unmarried white women. 

There are no swing voters. That's a myth that we keep chasing while our core constituents are being gerrymandered and suppressed so much that we can't even win an election for dogcatcher. 

And yet, we keep having these idiotic discussions about not putting too much emphasis on "identity politics" or how we need to reach out to coal miners or whatever the nonsense du jour is. 

We are weak on two fronts, immigration and the economy. Republicans score much higher on both issues even though they are demonstrably awful at them. But we beat them in polling on every other issue Americans care about especially the one that most Americans care the most about: social welfare programs. We need to slap the GOP in the face with how cruel they are. We ought to be screaming PROTECT SOCIAL SECURITY! PROTECT MEDICARE! PROTECT MEDICAID! PROTECT THE VA!!! 

But we allow them to sidetrack us and muddy the waters with "identity politics". It's all gays, guns, and God. (And race and ladypeaches.) The vast majority of American believe in and support liberal positions yet liberal politicians betray them by trying to convince these idiotic white "swing" voters to throw themselves in with our cause when they hate our base and expect undeliverables like manufacturing jobs or an investment in a syphilitic corpse of an industry like coal mining which even the Chinese have abandoned. 

And these people will never vote for us.

Is the base geographically diverse enough to win national elections?

Without voter suppression? Yes. Abso-farking-lutely.


It amazing how much that keeps being ignored.  Clinton lost swing states that had depressed minority turnout, without voter suppression it's the Republicans who need to change.
 
2017-08-05 12:16:05 PM  

mod_reright: I have an idea: rather than address the rather interesting new information in TFA, let's all just drag out our emotional baggage and rehash the exact same points that we make in any thread that touches on the 2016  election cycle. Whichever team ruins the thread first wins!


I like this completely new idea. Lets do this.
 
2017-08-05 12:16:36 PM  

raius: mod_reright: I have an idea: rather than address the rather interesting new information in TFA, let's all just drag out our emotional baggage and rehash the exact same points that we make in any thread that touches on the 2016  election cycle. Whichever team ruins the thread first wins!

There are just people here attacking Clinton yet still this both sides are bad bullshiat?

This infighting would stop if the Clinton haters would just move on.


But she wears pantsuits!
 
2017-08-05 12:18:22 PM  
With voters jumping from color to color, one would almost think it is one big party.

Gah!  Bannon put a turd in the punch bowl again.
 
2017-08-05 12:18:57 PM  

null: So, in order to go after the Trump Democrats, which don't exist, the party is moving right and signing up pro-life candidates.

Funny though, every time I or others here in the Rust Belt point out that, oh, the Teamsters endorsed a Republican for Senate in Ohio, or that a lot of folks around here are pissed at the economic policies that have sent their jobs overseas or given them to robots, or otherwise tried to get a word in edgewise to the party about what matters to us, the coastal Dems explain to us why we are totally wrong about everything and that if we don't like their Demsplaining then we can just STFU and vote for the guys who keep farking us over.  Then those Dems go fundraise off their Wall Street motherfarker friends who are closing our jobs down while they get richer.

Then, when we don't bother to vote for the Dem party ticket again, it's name-calling and blame instead of listening, despite so many analysts saying, "STFU and listen to the swing states!"

/inb4 the perennial blue state Dems claim they know how to win because they keep winning in their solid blue states
//just because you keep winning in the PAC-12 doesn't mean you know how to win in the SEC or B1G
///3

pissed at the economic policies that have sent their jobs overseas or given them to robots


Their jobs? Why do they think that they're entitled to those jobs? Maybe instead of trying to compete with teenagers in the third world for work, they should have gained some skills instead of thinking manual labor was a good career decision.

At this point, I'm willing to let the country burn down so these entitled assholes can die off and we can start fresh with a population of not morons.
 
2017-08-05 12:19:38 PM  

raius: This infighting would stop if the Clinton haters would just move on.


As one of the regular Correct The Record shills in these threads I must inform you that technically this is wrong. Now, I'm the shilliest hill shill who ever hill shilled but there's enough Clinton voters who take the bait and get ridiculously angry that some of the blame needs to be shared.

If people, including myself, stopped taking the bait and letting these threads inflate to 300 odd comments then Drew and Pals would probably stop greening them.
 
2017-08-05 12:19:45 PM  

raius: moothemagiccow: Fark: She won the popular vote!
Also Fark: People in "red states" are the problem! Including the millions that voted for her in the popular vote!

When was the last time you joined a thread without being aggressively contrary?


I hear sirens! Oh, never mind, it's just raius and the tone police here to save the day from substance.
 
2017-08-05 12:21:40 PM  

ocirats: I hear sirens! Oh, never mind, it's just raius and the tone police here to save the day from substance.


See this is bait.

If you take it you're just as bad as they are. Don't matter if you're bored, or if they're just that wrong. Just stop.
 
2017-08-05 12:21:58 PM  
Why the hell does anyone give a sh*t what people in Iowa think?
 
2017-08-05 12:22:16 PM  

ginandbacon: The left needs to drop its fascination with rural and suburban white voters and start protecting its base: minorities and urban whites and unmarried white women.

There are no swing voters. That's a myth that we keep chasing while our core constituents are being gerrymandered and suppressed so much that we can't even win an election for dogcatcher.

And yet, we keep having these idiotic discussions about not putting too much emphasis on "identity politics" or how we need to reach out to coal miners or whatever the nonsense du jour is.

We are weak on two fronts, immigration and the economy. Republicans score much higher on both issues even though they are demonstrably awful at them. But we beat them in polling on every other issue Americans care about especially the one that most Americans care the most about: social welfare programs. We need to slap the GOP in the face with how cruel they are. We ought to be screaming PROTECT SOCIAL SECURITY! PROTECT MEDICARE! PROTECT MEDICAID! PROTECT THE VA!!!

But we allow them to sidetrack us and muddy the waters with "identity politics". It's all gays, guns, and God. (And race and ladypeaches.) The vast majority of American believe in and support liberal positions yet liberal politicians betray them by trying to convince these idiotic white "swing" voters to throw themselves in with our cause when they hate our base and expect undeliverables like manufacturing jobs or an investment in a syphilitic corpse of an industry like coal mining which even the Chinese have abandoned.

And these people will never vote for us.


Agreed, mostly. I'm not certain how to fight the "sidetracking". It's too easy for Republicans to propose bathroom bills, then yell at Democrats who fight against those bills for "identity politics". It's not like we can just ignore the people who will suffer under those bills.

But the Democrats have to stop courting these mythical informed rational undecided moderates that don't exist. Rally the base.
 
2017-08-05 12:22:20 PM  

raius: mod_reright: I have an idea: rather than address the rather interesting new information in TFA, let's all just drag out our emotional baggage and rehash the exact same points that we make in any thread that touches on the 2016  election cycle. Whichever team ruins the thread first wins!

There are just people here attacking Clinton yet still this both sides are bad bullshiat?

This infighting would stop if the Clinton haters would just move on.


But I've been hating the Clintons since I was born! My dad hates them, my dad's dad hates them, and his dad did too. It's our way of life dammit, I don't know any other!
 
2017-08-05 12:23:33 PM  

raius: ginandbacon: qorkfiend: ginandbacon: The left needs to drop its fascination with rural and suburban white voters and start protecting its base: minorities and urban whites and unmarried white women. 

There are no swing voters. That's a myth that we keep chasing while our core constituents are being gerrymandered and suppressed so much that we can't even win an election for dogcatcher. 

And yet, we keep having these idiotic discussions about not putting too much emphasis on "identity politics" or how we need to reach out to coal miners or whatever the nonsense du jour is. 

We are weak on two fronts, immigration and the economy. Republicans score much higher on both issues even though they are demonstrably awful at them. But we beat them in polling on every other issue Americans care about especially the one that most Americans care the most about: social welfare programs. We need to slap the GOP in the face with how cruel they are. We ought to be screaming PROTECT SOCIAL SECURITY! PROTECT MEDICARE! PROTECT MEDICAID! PROTECT THE VA!!! 

But we allow them to sidetrack us and muddy the waters with "identity politics". It's all gays, guns, and God. (And race and ladypeaches.) The vast majority of American believe in and support liberal positions yet liberal politicians betray them by trying to convince these idiotic white "swing" voters to throw themselves in with our cause when they hate our base and expect undeliverables like manufacturing jobs or an investment in a syphilitic corpse of an industry like coal mining which even the Chinese have abandoned. 

And these people will never vote for us.

Is the base geographically diverse enough to win national elections?

Without voter suppression? Yes. Abso-farking-lutely.

It amazing how much that keeps being ignored.  Clinton lost swing states that had depressed minority turnout, without voter suppression it's the Republicans who need to change.


Yup. Wisconsin, Michigan, Ohio, Pennsylvania, North Carolina, and Florida (Texas is desperately staving off our influence but I don't think we actually have a true majority there just yet) handed Trump his victory by aggressively undermining democracy. It's disgusting.
 
2017-08-05 12:24:03 PM  
Those people can just queue up nicely and jump in here for inflicting GWB and Trump on us:
www.lapatilla.com
 
2017-08-05 12:24:13 PM  

ocirats: null: So, in order to go after the Trump Democrats, which don't exist, the party is moving right and signing up pro-life candidates.

Funny though, every time I or others here in the Rust Belt point out that, oh, the Teamsters endorsed a Republican for Senate in Ohio, or that a lot of folks around here are pissed at the economic policies that have sent their jobs overseas or given them to robots, or otherwise tried to get a word in edgewise to the party about what matters to us, the coastal Dems explain to us why we are totally wrong about everything and that if we don't like their Demsplaining then we can just STFU and vote for the guys who keep farking us over.  Then those Dems go fundraise off their Wall Street motherfarker friends who are closing our jobs down while they get richer.

Then, when we don't bother to vote for the Dem party ticket again, it's name-calling and blame instead of listening, despite so many analysts saying, "STFU and listen to the swing states!"

/inb4 the perennial blue state Dems claim they know how to win because they keep winning in their solid blue states
//just because you keep winning in the PAC-12 doesn't mean you know how to win in the SEC or B1G
///3

I love this post very much.

I'd also add that whenever people bring up genuine economic hardship suffered by traditional Woking class Dem voters who want their plight heard, their cries for help are inevitably recast and slandered as white male concerns.

Guess what? Women and PoC *are also* the working class.


Thank you. Couldn't agree more.
 
2017-08-05 12:24:38 PM  

Mikey1969: raius: mod_reright: I have an idea: rather than address the rather interesting new information in TFA, let's all just drag out our emotional baggage and rehash the exact same points that we make in any thread that touches on the 2016  election cycle. Whichever team ruins the thread first wins!

There are just people here attacking Clinton yet still this both sides are bad bullshiat?

This infighting would stop if the Clinton haters would just move on.

But she wears pantsuits!


You don't want to see her other suit.

/it's all wrinkled anyway
 
2017-08-05 12:24:42 PM  
I'm not gonna go so far as to say I believe this or don't, but the theory that Obama attracted people from the right by being reasonable, professional, and basically made of elemental traditional family values on every conceivable level, and that those people just went back to the GOP after because they were there for Obama and the Dems learned nothing from his presidency and never tried to imitate him... sounds pretty reasonable.
 
2017-08-05 12:27:36 PM  
Also, charisma counts.

Run a charismatic candidate. The last non-charismatic candidate to win was what, Bush 1?

Look at the losers from the last 20 years. Dole, Gore, Kerry, McCain, Romney, Clinton.

That's a very, very, very boring list.
 
2017-08-05 12:27:59 PM  

Jim_Callahan: I'm not gonna go so far as to say I believe this or don't, but the theory that Obama attracted people from the right by being reasonable, professional, and basically made of elemental traditional family values on every conceivable level, and that those people just went back to the GOP after because they were there for Obama and the Dems learned nothing from his presidency and never tried to imitate him... sounds pretty reasonable.


This is in no way reasonable. Voters who were dissatisfied with Democrats who ran away from Obama's policies ran back to the GOP who abhor Obama AND his policies and would do anything to tear them down? Walk me through this thought process, if you would.
 
2017-08-05 12:28:59 PM  

Dafatone: Also, charisma counts.

Run a charismatic candidate. The last non-charismatic candidate to win was what, Bush 1?

Look at the losers from the last 20 years. Dole, Gore, Kerry, McCain, Romney, Clinton.

That's a very, very, very boring list.


Trump.
 
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