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(Washington Post)   The one good thing about Trump's presidency is that it will probably lead to Congress clawing back much of the power that the Executive Branch usurped during Barack Obama's near dictatorship   ( washingtonpost.com) divider line
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2017-08-03 09:55:07 AM  
"Dictatorship"? That's a strange way to spell "crackerhorkapocalypse".
 
2017-08-03 09:58:25 AM  
It would be nice if they actually did this.  The might not, then they'd have to be on record as supporting unpopular necessary things. Or unpopular unnecessary things. Or anything at all really.
 
2017-08-03 09:58:30 AM  
Dictatorship subby? Really

/although I do agree executive power has gotten out of hand
//repeal the AUMF
 
2017-08-03 10:11:41 AM  
This is why I always say "don't think about what your guy would do with the power, think about what the NEXT guy (or gal) could do with the power."

Although, from here on out, I think I can just stick with "what could another Trump do with the power?"
 
2017-08-03 10:17:56 AM  
Huh. They willingly gave Bush Jr all that power. Somehow Obama, the feckless do nothing dictator, is to blame.
 
2017-08-03 10:19:08 AM  
What in the actual f*ck?
 
2017-08-03 10:25:24 AM  

nmrsnr: This is why I always say "don't think about what your guy would do with the power, think about what the NEXT guy (or gal) could do with the power."

Although, from here on out, I think I can just stick with "what could another Trump do with the power?"


More worrying. What could a competent Trump do with the power.
 
2017-08-03 10:29:19 AM  

nmrsnr: This is why I always say "don't think about what your guy would do with the power, think about what the NEXT guy (or gal) could do with the power."

Although, from here on out, I think I can just stick with "what could another Trump do with the power?"


Literally no part of government could work if that is the metric we're going to use.  Executive power is fine.  If it wasn't Trump, by sheer exuberant idiocy, would have accomplished something by now.  The issue is, remains, and always has been, that we have desperately needed for at least 100 years some method of actual ethical enforcement on politicians.
Barring.  Not even.  Death.
 
2017-08-03 10:38:02 AM  

LowbrowDeluxe: Literally no part of government could work if that is the metric we're going to use.  Executive power is fine.


Of course it is. Unchecked power is not. The AUMF and Patriot Act (among others) gave power to the executive that is outside congressional review (like using military force in Libya and Syria) which should not be in the hands of the President.
 
2017-08-03 10:46:09 AM  

Gubbo: nmrsnr: This is why I always say "don't think about what your guy would do with the power, think about what the NEXT guy (or gal) could do with the power."

Although, from here on out, I think I can just stick with "what could another Trump do with the power?"

More worrying. What could a competent Trump do with the power.


Tiffany is on vacation and Europe and qon't take your call.

That's what the only competent Trump IS doing.
 
2017-08-03 11:10:39 AM  

MaudlinMutantMollusk: What in the actual f*ck?


My sentiments exactly.
 
2017-08-03 11:37:34 AM  
No one can


1) name anything negative Obama's done
2) name anything positive Trump has done
 
2017-08-03 11:53:09 AM  

Mugato: 2) name anything positive Trump has done


His big VA reform is an app to make appointments.
 
2017-08-03 11:53:20 AM  

Mugato: No one can


1) name anything negative Obama's done
2) name anything positive Trump has done


Challenge accepted.

Obama allowed the worst parts of the PATRIOT ACT to continue.

Trump designated $19.1 Billion to NASA.

Now what?
 
2017-08-03 11:55:35 AM  

Mugato: No one can

1) name anything negative Obama's done
2) name anything positive Trump has done


I can, but

1) It can be done with any president
2) It would only distract from our problems now
 
2017-08-03 11:57:40 AM  

thehobbes: Mugato: 2) name anything positive Trump has done

His big VA reform is an app to make appointments.


Those older vets can't see them gosh darn little screens.
 
2017-08-03 11:57:45 AM  

HedlessChickn: Mugato: No one can


1) name anything negative Obama's done
2) name anything positive Trump has done

Challenge accepted.

Obama allowed the worst parts of the PATRIOT ACT to continue.

Trump designated $19.1 Billion to NASA.

Now what?


I agree, not everything Obama did was good, and I'm sure there will be some things the Trump admin does that I agree with too.

That said, Obama hardly had a dictatorship.  He did what he could because Congress wouldn't work with him on anything worthwhile.
 
2017-08-03 11:58:29 AM  
If the powers taken back from the legislative are related to the patriot act great. If they're related to Obama using executive orders after congress purposely stalemated everything diaf. then it's just congress restricting the right to continue getting absolutely nothing done ever when they don't like a branch of the govt
 
2017-08-03 11:58:39 AM  

Gubbo: //repeal the AUMF


House appropriations just did that, amazingly.

/The repeal won't survive in the final version of the funding bill.
 
2017-08-03 11:58:40 AM  

nmrsnr: LowbrowDeluxe: Literally no part of government could work if that is the metric we're going to use.  Executive power is fine.

Of course it is. Unchecked power is not. The AUMF and Patriot Act (among others) gave power to the executive that is outside congressional review (like using military force in Libya and Syria) which should not be in the hands of the President.


My understanding is that executive orders can only be done while we are under a state of emergency. And we've been in a perpetual state of emergency for decades now, I think the Iran contra one is still up.

Too lazy to google it at the moment
 
2017-08-03 11:58:54 AM  
I'm sure the moment a Democrat wins the presidency in 2020, Republicans will be more than happy to remove LOTS of executive power.
 
2017-08-03 11:59:00 AM  
I would trust Obama as a dictator because he would be a benevolent one.  I wouldn't trust Trump to run a lemonade stand.
 
2017-08-03 11:59:41 AM  
Huh, the executive power grab was under Obama. The Bush guy had nothing to do with it. I guess the more you know...
 
2017-08-03 12:01:13 PM  
Was it a feckless dictatorship? I thought he was an incompetent empty suit? I used to get mixed up a lot on which days Obama was a limp wristed liberal wussy who couldn't even hold a shotgun properly and which days he was an iron fisted tyrant fully intent on handing the United States over to salivating hordes of minorities and homosexuals. Do any of you fellas still have your AM radio decoder rings?
 
2017-08-03 12:01:33 PM  
Scaling back the executive and legislative branches of government would be nice.
 
2017-08-03 12:01:55 PM  

Famous Thamas: HedlessChickn: Mugato: No one can


1) name anything negative Obama's done
2) name anything positive Trump has done

Challenge accepted.

Obama allowed the worst parts of the PATRIOT ACT to continue.

Trump designated $19.1 Billion to NASA.

Now what?

I agree, not everything Obama did was good, and I'm sure there will be some things the Trump admin does that I agree with too.

That said, Obama hardly had a dictatorship.  He did what he could because Congress wouldn't work with him on anything worthwhile.


Too bad no-one had the foresight that he was literally opening a Pandora's box.

Everyone saw what kind of pants-on-head level of retardation the population had just because of his skin color.

No-one took a second to think what would happen if those same people started steering the boat instead of crapping on the deck and blaming everyone else?
 
2017-08-03 12:02:39 PM  
Heres one reason why regulations show up some dumbass goes hey here's an unwritten rule hold my beer I'm going to abuse this
 
2017-08-03 12:03:03 PM  

mod_reright: Gubbo: //repeal the AUMF

House appropriations just did that, amazingly.

/The repeal won't survive in the final version of the funding bill.


It was passed in committee, but stripped out later by Ryan.
 
2017-08-03 12:03:43 PM  

HedlessChickn: Mugato: No one can


1) name anything negative Obama's done
2) name anything positive Trump has done

Challenge accepted.

Obama allowed the worst parts of the PATRIOT ACT to continue.

Trump designated $19.1 Billion to NASA.

Now what?


Obama was obstructed by congress at every turn. Even if he wanted to he wouldn't be able to repeal the Patriot Act. And I don't find NASA all that important at this point. Not with all the programs he's cutting that actually help people.
 
2017-08-03 12:04:48 PM  

kregh99: I would trust Obama as a dictator because he would be a benevolent one.  I wouldn't trust Trump to run a lemonade stand.


I wouldn't trust anyone as a dictator, including Obama. Anyone who wields absolute power should not be trusted.
 
2017-08-03 12:05:04 PM  

The Derp Stops Here: nmrsnr: LowbrowDeluxe: Literally no part of government could work if that is the metric we're going to use.  Executive power is fine.

Of course it is. Unchecked power is not. The AUMF and Patriot Act (among others) gave power to the executive that is outside congressional review (like using military force in Libya and Syria) which should not be in the hands of the President.

My understanding is that executive orders can only be done while we are under a state of emergency. And we've been in a perpetual state of emergency for decades now, I think the Iran contra one is still up.

Too lazy to google it at the moment


That's completely wrong.

Executive orders are a perfectly cromulent and constitutional part of the functioning of the US government, and have been since George Washington issued the first one.
 
2017-08-03 12:05:08 PM  

nmrsnr: LowbrowDeluxe: Literally no part of government could work if that is the metric we're going to use.  Executive power is fine.

Of course it is. Unchecked power is not. The AUMF and Patriot Act (among others) gave power to the executive that is outside congressional review (like using military force in Libya and Syria) which should not be in the hands of the President.


The entire regulatory apparatus is out of the direct control of Congress, mostly by design and precedence. The good news is that courts are starting to rethink the Chevron Deference doctrine and saying that if a regulation is too vague then the default should be to defer to the regulated, not the regulator.
 
2017-08-03 12:05:34 PM  
I think you meant "Barack HUSSEIN NObama"
 
2017-08-03 12:06:01 PM  

JDAT: Scaling back the executive and legislative branches of government would be nice.


The present executive halfway agrees with you.  He just thinks the legislative and judicial branches need the pruning of power.
 
2017-08-03 12:06:12 PM  

nmrsnr: This is why I always say "don't think about what your guy would do with the power, think about what the NEXT guy (or gal) could do with the power."

Although, from here on out, I think I can just stick with "what could another Trump do with the power?"


We will find out in 2024 when - after screeching about dynasties in 2016 - Ivanka Trump is sworn in as president, with VP I'm Eric.
 
2017-08-03 12:06:54 PM  

HempHead: thehobbes: Mugato: 2) name anything positive Trump has done

His big VA reform is an app to make appointments.

Those older vets can't see them gosh darn little screens.


Touchscreens work with prosthetic limbs right?
 
2017-08-03 12:06:55 PM  

DubyaHater: kregh99: I would trust Obama as a dictator because he would be a benevolent one.  I wouldn't trust Trump to run a lemonade stand.

I wouldn't trust anyone as a dictator, including Obama. Anyone who wields absolute power should not be trusted.


Absolute power corrupts absolutely

-John Dalberg-Acton, 1st Baron Acton
 
2017-08-03 12:07:53 PM  

Mugato: HedlessChickn: Mugato: No one can


1) name anything negative Obama's done
2) name anything positive Trump has done

Challenge accepted.

Obama allowed the worst parts of the PATRIOT ACT to continue.

Trump designated $19.1 Billion to NASA.

Now what?

Obama was obstructed by congress at every turn. Even if he wanted to he wouldn't be able to repeal the Patriot Act. And I don't find NASA all that important at this point. Not with all the programs he's cutting that actually help people.


Its the same reason GITMO still exists.  Congressional Republicans blocked any ability to close the place and transfer the "enemy combatants" elsewhere.
 
2017-08-03 12:08:12 PM  

mod_reright: The Derp Stops Here: nmrsnr: LowbrowDeluxe: Literally no part of government could work if that is the metric we're going to use.  Executive power is fine.

Of course it is. Unchecked power is not. The AUMF and Patriot Act (among others) gave power to the executive that is outside congressional review (like using military force in Libya and Syria) which should not be in the hands of the President.

My understanding is that executive orders can only be done while we are under a state of emergency. And we've been in a perpetual state of emergency for decades now, I think the Iran contra one is still up.

Too lazy to google it at the moment

That's completely wrong.

Executive orders are a perfectly cromulent and constitutional part of the functioning of the US government, and have been since George Washington issued the first one.


Aaaand your absolutely correct.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Executive_order_(United_States)
 
2017-08-03 12:08:37 PM  

Mugato: No one can


1) name anything negative Obama's done
2) name anything positive Trump has done


1) Ed Department issues "Dear colleague" letter removing due process for those accused of rape and sexual assault on college campuses.
2) Unwinding that policy
 
2017-08-03 12:08:59 PM  
Congress during Bush - here have all the power so you can SAVE US!!!

Congress during Obama - keep all the power so we can BLAME YOU!!!

Congress during Trump - yeah, OK, so we are going to need all that power back
 
2017-08-03 12:10:30 PM  

jjorsett: Mugato: No one can


1) name anything negative Obama's done
2) name anything positive Trump has done

1) Ed Department issues "Dear colleague" letter removing due process for those accused of rape and sexual assault on college campuses.
2) Unwinding that policy


Your tipping has intensified.
 
2017-08-03 12:10:34 PM  

HedlessChickn: Mugato: No one can


1) name anything negative Obama's done
2) name anything positive Trump has done

Challenge accepted.

Obama allowed the worst parts of the PATRIOT ACT to continue.

Trump designated $19.1 Billion to NASA.

Now what?


According to wikipedia, that's a cut to NASA's budget.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Budget_of_NASA
 
2017-08-03 12:10:36 PM  

AquaTatanka: ts the same reason GITMO still exists.  Congressional Republicans blocked any ability to close the place and transfer the "enemy combatants" elsewhere.


And they're being held without trial probably for the rest of their lives, which kind of goes against one of if not the most important right this country has.
 
2017-08-03 12:11:21 PM  

jjorsett: Mugato: No one can


1) name anything negative Obama's done
2) name anything positive Trump has done

1) Ed Department issues "Dear colleague" letter removing due process for those accused of rape and sexual assault on college campuses.
2) Unwinding that policy


I should add that colleges will still be free to conduct Star Chamber type proceedings anyway, but they just won't have "the feds made us do it" to hide behind in the future.
 
2017-08-03 12:11:58 PM  

kregh99: I would trust Obama as a dictator because he would be a benevolent one.


There is no such thing as a "benevolent" dictator.

/"absolute power corrupts absolutely "
 
2017-08-03 12:12:29 PM  

The Derp Stops Here: Too bad no-one had the foresight that he was literally opening a Pandora's box.

Everyone saw what kind of pants-on-head level of retardation the population had just because of his skin color.

No-one took a second to think what would happen if those same people started steering the boat instead of crapping on the deck and blaming everyone else?


Everyone, most particularly constitutional law professor Barack Obama, anticipated that. Which is why he wasted much of his early presidency striving to work with congress to pass legislation. Only when Republican leadership made it clear their only goal was to prevent any legislative successes at the expense of the good of the country did he start reluctantly pushing the boundaries of executive power to get needed changes made.
 
2017-08-03 12:14:55 PM  

gimlet: kregh99: I would trust Obama as a dictator because he would be a benevolent one.

There is no such thing as a "benevolent" dictator.

/"absolute power corrupts absolutely "


Yeah, in this day and age, the "good king" is now the "good CEO," which has become so rare as to be a false hope and therefore a fallacy.
 
2017-08-03 12:16:17 PM  

Mugato: No one can


1) name anything negative Obama's done
2) name anything positive Trump has done


Seriously? I've got plenty of left-leaning friends who loved what Obama stood for as the first black president, but who heavily disliked his analysis paralysis, his doubling down on the surveillance state, his continuation of wars that had no clear purpose or victory conditions and his inaction on social justice reform for people of color. Oh, and many on the left despise ACA for being an insurance-friendly approach to healthcare reform instead of implementing a Medicaid for all single payer system.

Most will acknowledge, too, that Trump has at the very least shaken up the government and his actions have forced many young people to understand the stakes of apathy mean regressive social policies and threats towards public institutions designed to make life better for everyone.

Now, this WaPo article is a step too far into the camp of Trump somehow being the idiot savant savior of the Constitution, but cmon... Congress NEEDS to reclaim its powers because the Executive Branch was granted too many powers it would never willingly give back.
 
2017-08-03 12:16:21 PM  

Mugato: HedlessChickn: Mugato: No one can


1) name anything negative Obama's done
2) name anything positive Trump has done

Challenge accepted.

Obama allowed the worst parts of the PATRIOT ACT to continue.

Trump designated $19.1 Billion to NASA.

Now what?

Obama was obstructed by congress at every turn. Even if he wanted to he wouldn't be able to repeal the Patriot Act. And I don't find NASA all that important at this point. Not with all the programs he's cutting that actually help people.


GPS helps people.
 
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