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2017-08-02 03:15:39 PM  
For anyone who didn't catch the announcement thread, Through a Scanner Farkly is live!

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Now available on Amazon

THROUGH A SCANNER FARKLY is the 2017 Fark Fiction Anthology, filled with hand-picked short stories straight from the Fark community!  Our team of intrepid editors has worked endlessly and occasionally soberly to put together this collection from writers right here on Fark, and best of all, all proceeds will going to [REDACTED], an excellent charity who refuses to let us use their name!

THROUGH A SCANNER FARKLY is available in both paperback and Kindle e-book versions, at 13.95 USD and 2.99 USD respectively.

Thanks again for everyone who submitted and helped out on this!
 
2017-08-02 03:47:52 PM  
So here's a question for everyone: how do you handle writing in multiple genres?

My entry for TASF this year was farcical humor, a departure from what I normally write, which is horror or suspense.  Last year, we were short on humor entries, so I thought I'd get ahead of the curve and come up with an entry to fill a gap.  Of course, we ended up with more humor submissions this year than anything else, which probably shouldn't surprise me at all.

The interesting thing was how easy it was to write that piece.  I did almost all of it in one day (~7K words on the first draft) which was moving in light speed compared to how slow my other writing usually is.  Make a character you care deeply about, and then feed them into the grinder?  Yeah, that's not easy.  Snarking about a bunch of hilariously incompetent idiots?  Heck, that's what we do around here on a daily basis.

I think I could probably churn out a series of novels similar to my TASF humor entry, but my problem is that I already have one complete novel floating around* (read: being rejected by) agents, with another half done, and two more plotted out.  I'm concerned that if I were to put out titles in two different genres (horror and humor) I'd dilute my brand* (read: which I hope to someday have) or at least perplex readers who thought they were buying a book from a light-hearted comedy writer, only to read about characters being driven violently insane by The Old Gods.

Is this even something I should be concerned about?  How would the rest of you handle this?
 
2017-08-02 05:19:20 PM  

toraque: So here's a question for everyone: how do you handle writing in multiple genres?

My entry for TASF this year was farcical humor, a departure from what I normally write, which is horror or suspense.  Last year, we were short on humor entries, so I thought I'd get ahead of the curve and come up with an entry to fill a gap.  Of course, we ended up with more humor submissions this year than anything else, which probably shouldn't surprise me at all.

The interesting thing was how easy it was to write that piece.  I did almost all of it in one day (~7K words on the first draft) which was moving in light speed compared to how slow my other writing usually is.  Make a character you care deeply about, and then feed them into the grinder?  Yeah, that's not easy.  Snarking about a bunch of hilariously incompetent idiots?  Heck, that's what we do around here on a daily basis.

I think I could probably churn out a series of novels similar to my TASF humor entry, but my problem is that I already have one complete novel floating around* (read: being rejected by) agents, with another half done, and two more plotted out.  I'm concerned that if I were to put out titles in two different genres (horror and humor) I'd dilute my brand* (read: which I hope to someday have) or at least perplex readers who thought they were buying a book from a light-hearted comedy writer, only to read about characters being driven violently insane by The Old Gods.

Is this even something I should be concerned about?  How would the rest of you handle this?


I know very little about any kind of writing. But. Iain Banks and Iain M. Banks comes to mind. A small little thing to distinguish between genres. Or hell, maybe just to flat out confuse people into thinking its something like the Actors Guild where there can only be one person with a certain name.
 
2017-08-02 09:32:50 PM  
My medical drama role-playing game is going to layout tomorrow!  Submitted my final revisions moments ago.

The Ward should be making a showing at GenCon in a few weeks.  I'm unable to attend, but I've got two volunteers tapped to run it at Games on Demand.

Woohoo!
 
2017-08-02 09:35:12 PM  
Oh crap that was due today?
 
2017-08-02 09:40:45 PM  
this is how. I can't concentrate on ANYTHING.
breaking novels to write comics; switching simultanous chores; structured work-flows; (ie: a poster a day)
**********
Teddyhunter: New Genes   released; on sale for a week or so.
https://www.smashwords.com/books/view/715603
 Aaron+Henna: Terrible twos: at 85,000 wd mark.
"Aaron, how did a tree manage to out-think you like that?" "It wasn't easy."

THREEWAY : a free comic worth the 500 wds in it;
https://www.smashwords.com/books/view/737931
***
ah, yes. You *DO* need a "pat' decoder to listen to free speech.
life's rough, eh?


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2017-08-02 09:45:19 PM  
Once upon a time, everyone lived happily everafter.
 
2017-08-02 09:46:34 PM  
Jack and Jill went up the hill.

And then they f*cked.

The end.
 
2017-08-02 10:01:13 PM  
I don't know, subby, I think you might have something there with that headline, what with the dark, and the stormy, and the murders and all. How about we give you a big cash advance and then you write something whenever you feel like it? About the dark and the murders and all that. Yeah. Great, we'll get back to you.
 
2017-08-02 10:29:03 PM  

toraque: For anyone who didn't catch the announcement thread, Through a Scanner Farkly is live!

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Now available on Amazon

THROUGH A SCANNER FARKLY is the 2017 Fark Fiction Anthology, filled with hand-picked short stories straight from the Fark community!  Our team of intrepid editors has worked endlessly and occasionally soberly to put together this collection from writers right here on Fark, and best of all, all proceeds will going to [REDACTED], an excellent charity who refuses to let us use their name!

THROUGH A SCANNER FARKLY is available in both paperback and Kindle e-book versions, at 13.95 USD and 2.99 USD respectively.

Thanks again for everyone who submitted and helped out on this!


I get back home on Friday and my copy will be there waiting for me.

I finally figured out a crucial element to my novel.   I was so elated, I let out a yelp while walking down the street.

The first chapter of the book is the short story "Being Brian" in the Fark anthology.  There's a few changes, but it's almost entirely intact in the book.
 
2017-08-02 10:30:25 PM  
I heard footsteps up my way, not good.

See, footsteps up my way went through one security clearance (failed obviously), now at my second...

*tap* *tap* *tap*

Three taps on secure door two, at night, not good.

I crouch and listen.

*tap* *tap* *tap*

*snikt*

I sneak towards the door, blade engaged, *crouch-sneak* *maneuver around chokepoint*, ready to engage...

*tap*

I hear no steps descend the way they should humanly...

*snikt*

I crouch silently for some time...no sound...no steps...no taps.

Just thunder...
 
2017-08-02 10:38:25 PM  

toraque: So here's a question for everyone: how do you handle writing in multiple genres?

<snip>
Is this even something I should be concerned about?  How would the rest of you handle this?


Don't worry about it. The important thing is to finish a work and get it published.

I write to amuse myself and if something interests me, I try it.  Don't put yourself into a box.  Also, the more genres you write in, the more skills you will develop.
 
2017-08-02 10:39:51 PM  
As for me, I'm doing another editing pass on the novel. Some of the things I'm fixing would probably never be noticed by most readers, but they are necessary for those who do.
 
2017-08-02 10:45:40 PM  
The night was moist....
 
2017-08-02 10:46:40 PM  
There are some horror story fiction fans that were talking about the 125th anniversary of the Lizzie Borden murders which is apparently coming up on Aug. 4.   Is this a thing?... where horror story fans re-write historical (actual) murders?  I'd never heard of it before.

/  then again, I don't mark my calendar with any of the dates of horrific historical events either...
 
2017-08-02 11:06:03 PM  
*crackow*

The light cascades from the skylights, flashing, *crackow*

The shadows flicker.

I hear only the thunder, see only the flicker...

*tap* *tap* *tap*

My muscles tense. Blade is engaged.

*tap* *tap* *tap*

*crackow*

The lightning bursts, crackling in the skylights...

*tap*
 
2017-08-02 11:10:14 PM  
I burst into the hallway, blade engaged!

There's nothing there; there's nothing there...

*crackow*

The light flickers.

No taps.
 
2017-08-02 11:14:51 PM  
Since they found a semen sample on a scarf worn by one of the victims, I'm going to write an updated true crime novel and call it: "Jack the Dripper"
 
2017-08-02 11:27:44 PM  
Got my copy - it looks great. May everyone enjoy this fine work!
 
2017-08-02 11:33:13 PM  

writingdude: Got my copy - it looks great. May everyone enjoy this fine work!


You're welcome.
 
2017-08-02 11:35:54 PM  

Mr. Shabooboo: The night was moist....


The night was sultry, and then the murders began.

/not a writer
//but an excellent plagarist
///this thread probably produces more actual content in a week than martin
 
2017-08-02 11:41:33 PM  
Last week, I mentioned I would try to give you my notes on a talk given at last year's NINC conference by author and psychology professor Dr. Jennifer Barnes about The Psychology of Fandom.

You can see some of Dr. Barnes' material in her Tedx talks.
Here's one link "Imaginary Friends and Real-world consequences"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=22yoaiLYb7M

Which was condensed and incorporated into the The Psychology of Fandom talk she gave the authors at NINC https://ninc.com/

What follows are my notes from her talk - My interpretation of what she said.
Some of the items I have here seem scattershot. Apologies.
-SV
--
In our case, it was to help authors understand methods on how to tweak readers in order for them to want more from the character(s).
What is the Theory of Mind and how does it apply to the Psychology of Fandom?
The ability we have to conceptualize the minds of others as separate from our own (At what point does a toddler figure out holding his/her hands in front of their face DOESN'T make the other person go away?)
So, as an adult, it's to feel like you know what someone else is thinking.
(This is the basis for the Theory of Mind)
Fiction helps us practice what others are feeling and that in turn helps us understand others and what they feel in the real world.

Theory of Mind is
"I want to know what that person is thinking. It makes me feel better if I think I know what that person is thinking."

Much of this involves how fandom relates directly to the Theory of Mind

With respect to Theory of Mind, we want fiction that challenges our theory of minds but doesn't overwhelm our theory of mind
First level ToM - He thinks this talk is boring.
Second level ToM - She thinks that he thinks this talk is boring
Third - He thinks that she thinks that he thinks this talk is boring.
--There's a Friends episode that uses this joke
(Readers want complex, as in Second Level, but then get turned off it gets too complex)

Also know there is such a thing as Meta Emotion
How do you feel about feeling? Do you feel guilty about feeling sad? Etc

Social cognition
Readers like to think about social things. They want to understand relationships, personalities, morality in social groups. They want to see personality profiling (making a snap judgement as a Larger Than Life character walks through a door, but then when the author makes a subtle addition to the character that they first didn't notice, it adds complexity and (somehow) this helps us understand our own selves.

Fiction serves a purpose of belonging
We all need to feel like we belong to a group. There's a concept of the Parasocial - when you follow someone in the public eye and know most everything they do, like knowing what Taylor Swift is doing... so that if you are taking a test, and a picture of Taylor Swift is on the wall, it's like they're taking the test with you. People actually do better on tests when they experience that feeling. So the feeling of belonging works with many readers.
Examples of Harry Potter (Which House do YOU belong to?) and Twilight (Dr. Barnes maintains that if the Cullen family didn't exist in the book series, Twilight would have been far less popular. It was Bella becoming an honorary member of the Cullen family that compelled fans to want the same thing)

The concept of Alief wiki
If you are on a transparent balcony, you know you are safe, but you FEEL less safe.
In fiction, you know the characters are fictional, but you worry about their wellbeing.
(Who killed Joffrey on Game Of Thrones? The poisoner, or George RR Martin?)

An obsessed reader of a book may feel like the author is a gatekeeper who is keeping the TRUE character from the reader. As in "Oh, my favorite character wouldn't do that. She can't do that! I know the character better than the author and she would never do that!"
(Authors get reader letters like this. As an author, you WANT reader letters like this)

Famous tweet that happened when JK Rowling started Pottermore
- one of the fans objected, saying, "Oh, now she's just making things up."
Alief can be that strong.
Once the reader is fully invested, the next part for an author to do is to let the reader fill in the blanks between chapters. Whether you go back and delete the last paragraph in the previous chapter and make them wonder what happened or put time gaps in.
The same thing goes for relationships "Shipping" is what happens when the readers want different relationships than are in the books. So your main character might be hooking up with only one other character, but have that main character then have one on one conversations with several other characters, and fans will create relationships between them. It makes for fan fiction.

Fan fiction rarely has much plot. It's almost all relationships and emotion.
What relationships and emotion the author doesn't provide in the story the fan will do so in their head.
This also includes negative emotions (such as someone hurt my fav character. I'm going to insert myself into the story and comfort him)

So therefore, there are two psychological prerequisites for fandom
High level of emotional investment
Resistance to authorial authority

(as an author, you want to build both to maximize your reader's devotion to the characters)
Therefore you want to leave those gaps of emotional investment so the reader will want to fill those gaps. Example of Twilight, where there was no sex in the books, so what did readers do? Made fan fiction about the sex. This same thing exists in What If? Love triangles are obvious here.

Belonging.
Houses of Harry Potter, etc...

Gossip side of fandom
One thing that's important is the reputation of a key character(s)
Harry Potter is "The Boy Who Lived" so within his world he was famous.
Triggering gossip within the fictional world will push a button in many readers.
Examples like Secret Society Girl, etc.
Scandals within your fictional world
Death, sex, hierarchy and power status, intergroup conflict all relate to gossip in your world and will push buttons of your readers.

Having a morally ambiguous character will have readers wondering what it would take to make that character fully good?
--

The implication is to acquire more readers, you look to encourage your readers to become fans. They'll recruit other like readers.

There's more to the end of this talk, such as how to make your title of book and cover match the Theory of Mind as well and I'll add that if requested.
 
2017-08-02 11:52:59 PM  

Julius Pleaseher: Mr. Shabooboo: The night was moist....

The night was sultry, and then the murders began.

/not a writer
//but an excellent plagarist
///this thread probably produces more actual content in a week than martin


But not an excellent speller: plagiarisam suxxors.
 
2017-08-02 11:54:07 PM  
I know of its succor...

Feed, you suck-beasts...

;)
 
2017-08-02 11:54:43 PM  
*snikt*
 
2017-08-03 12:03:29 AM  
It was a dark and stormy night when the weatherman put a bullet through his head because he had predicted a warm and breezy night. The End.
 
2017-08-03 12:55:09 AM  

MrMasterTutor: Julius Pleaseher: Mr. Shabooboo: The night was moist....

The night was sultry, and then the murders began.

/not a writer
//but an excellent plagarist
///this thread probably produces more actual content in a week than martin

But not an excellent speller: palgiarisam suxxors.


Nice catch. I stand miscorrected.

Not sure if that was intention or not. I've noticed that posts correcting someone else's usually contain an earnest error themselves. There needs to be an internet law for that.
 
2017-08-03 12:56:16 AM  
svenus thanks for the notes and link.  interesting And useful as usual.
Toraque: is the profit on ebooks bigger or smaller than paper? Mine's already in the mail, just curious.
 
2017-08-03 01:07:18 AM  
March, 2010
"This can't be good."
"What the hell is that?" Wiping his hands on a rag, Connor Cleary pointed with his chin at the barge coming up river through the Narrows.
Pilot David Biros of the tug River Cat said again, "This can't be good."
Another deckhand joined them at the open door to the wheelhouse, "Hey, what the hell is that ya think?"
Biros called down to Halloway, the engineer.
"Yeah?"
"C'mup here, willya?"
In a few minutes Halloway appeared outside, "S'up?"
"What do you think that is?" Biros pointed at the barge with a giant statue riding amidships and no other visible cargo. Its head shaped like a jackal imperiously scanning a new domain.
"What the .." Halloway went forward to see better.
Came back to the wheelhouse. "I read about this in the Times. That's Anubis."
"Who the hell is Anubis?"
Cleary spoke up, "Yeah, yeah. I seen some ads around Red Hook about some sort of Egyptian shiat going on at some museum or something."
"That is Anubis," Halloway pointed. "The Egyptian god of Death."
"Why in the name of sweet Christ would they bring us the farking Egyptian god of farking death? Did they not see what happened on 9/11? We already been visited!"
"Aw, shiat, Cleary, it ain't like that. This is antique stuff. That's just a statue of .."
They all jumped as River Rat's twin EMD diesels quit. Electrically powered instruments in the wheelhouse sputtered and died.
As Anubis on his river barge passed by.
"This can't be good."
 
2017-08-03 01:08:08 AM  

Julius Pleaseher: MrMasterTutor: Julius Pleaseher: Mr. Shabooboo: The night was moist....

The night was sultry, and then the murders began.

/not a writer
//but an excellent plagarist
///this thread probably produces more actual content in a week than martin

But not an excellent speller: palgiarisam suxxors.

Nice catch. I stand miscorrected.

Not sure if that was intention or not. I've noticed that posts correcting someone else's usually contain an earnest error themselves. There needs to be an internet law for that.


Nah. I'm just an asshole.
 
2017-08-03 05:55:32 AM  
Finished re-reading TASF. The one major take-away is that y'all are some talented writers.

I have a modest library- a few hundred books which are mostly science fiction with a smattering of fantasy and mysteries and horror and a selection of history and science non-fiction. As a result, I have several anthologies in various genres.

Y'all are some talented FARKing writers.
 
2017-08-03 08:54:24 AM  

claudius: svenus thanks for the notes and link.  interesting And useful as usual.
Toraque: is the profit on ebooks bigger or smaller than paper? Mine's already in the mail, just curious.


It's pretty much the same: about 2.40 or so either way.
 
2017-08-03 03:14:19 PM  
Yes, it was a 
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Night..  Every night.
 
2017-08-03 04:20:59 PM  

People were dropping like flies everywhere.

And then the murders began.


Blurb from Diary of an English Country House Guest in the Plague Year.


A classic British murder mystery by Brantgoose. Seeing as Daniel Dafoe never got around to inventing the Murder Mystery Genre, which is a pity because he was first a man of business, and inventing the Murder Mystery before some American or other thought of it would have been a most lucrative venture.
 
2017-08-03 04:26:11 PM  

Wenchmaster: Finished re-reading TASF. The one major take-away is that y'all are some talented writers.

I have a modest library- a few hundred books which are mostly science fiction with a smattering of fantasy and mysteries and horror and a selection of history and science non-fiction. As a result, I have several anthologies in various genres.

Y'all are some talented FARKing writers.


Did you read last year's anthology too?  Toraque & his band really know how to pick the good ones.
My copy of TASF is in the mail so I can't say whether I'll like it better than Heart of Farkness.

/Keeping my fingers crossed.
 
2017-08-03 04:30:36 PM  

GN Nymph: Wenchmaster: Finished re-reading TASF. The one major take-away is that y'all are some talented writers.

I have a modest library- a few hundred books which are mostly science fiction with a smattering of fantasy and mysteries and horror and a selection of history and science non-fiction. As a result, I have several anthologies in various genres.

Y'all are some talented FARKing writers.

Did you read last year's anthology too?  Toraque & his band really know how to pick the good ones.
My copy of TASF is in the mail so I can't say whether I'll like it better than Heart of Farkness.

/Keeping my fingers crossed.


I did read HoF. I can't honestly determine whether or not TaSF is better, because I have a short story in the new anthology, so I don't trust my opinion.

These other authors are serious FARKing good.
 
2017-08-03 04:42:11 PM  
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