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2017-08-02 11:15:01 AM  
Ray Lewis would never had played the game if it weren't for social activism. What a tool.
 
2017-08-02 11:30:03 AM  
I'm not sure if Subby meant the headline to be a Ray Lewis murder joke, but if it was, it should have been "take a stab at" not "take a shot at."
 
2017-08-02 11:54:51 AM  
If your activism is private, it isn't activism. If it makes you more popular, it isn't activism, it's marketing. If you pay a price for it, that's the way it works. The payoff, if there is one, comes later.
 
2017-08-02 11:55:25 AM  
Be as much as an activist as you want... just don't let it interfere with your job... or use your job as a platform for it.

I think him not having a job at the moment has more to do with the style of his play and the damage Chip Kelley did to him.... teams would need to form their offense around his type of play and they are not going to do that if you are a backup.
 
2017-08-02 12:01:35 PM  
But he sucks at football.
Activism seems a better fit for his skill set.
 
2017-08-02 12:03:35 PM  
"Ray Lewis offered advice..."

Stopped reading there.
 
2017-08-02 12:05:13 PM  
Ray is just taking a stab at helping this kid out.
 
2017-08-02 12:19:44 PM  

AteMyBrain: "Ray Lewis offered advice..."

Stopped reading there.


Why? You could take his advice and get away with murder.
 
2017-08-02 12:20:13 PM  
If he doesn't sign with a team he'll have time to vote.
 
2017-08-02 12:24:23 PM  

dwrash: Be as much as an activist as you want... just don't let it interfere with your job... or use your job as a platform for it.


See previous.  If it doesn't cost you anything, it's not really activism.  If it's easy (or, even more laughably, profitable) it's not activism.  Given that his job gave him a very large stage with a loud microphone for his activism, I hope he knew it might have a cost... and then made his point anyway.

Good for him, if so.
 
2017-08-02 12:28:31 PM  

dwrash: I think him not having a job at the moment has more to do with the style of his play and the damage Chip Kelley did to him.... teams would need to form their offense around his type of play and they are not going to do that if you are a backup.


If Mike f*cking Glennon has a job, be it backup or starter, Kaepernick sure as hell should.
 
2017-08-02 12:30:48 PM  

Law Talking Guy: If he doesn't sign with a team he'll have time to vote.


I will concede that he's a giant tool for not voting.
 
2017-08-02 12:31:49 PM  
I'm going to say it again - as much as I agree with Kaepernick's stance, the NFL is ultimately an entertainment business, and unlike a regular 9 to 5 job, you aren't entitled to a job as an NFL player. Are the owners a bunch of cowards? Yes. Do they have the right to be? Sadly, yes.

I'd rather him get signed as a second/third stringer and then fade away than be some reverse Tebow - a guy people like solely because of his political stances.
 
2017-08-02 12:46:19 PM  

JAGChem82: I'm going to say it again - as much as I agree with Kaepernick's stance, the NFL is ultimately an entertainment business, and unlike a regular 9 to 5 job, you aren't entitled to a job as an NFL player. Are the owners a bunch of cowards? Yes. Do they have the right to be? Sadly, yes.

I'd rather him get signed as a second/third stringer and then fade away than be some reverse Tebow - a guy people like solely because of his political stances.


No one's disputing their right to be cowards. The only argument is whether they're not signing him because they're cowards or because they have legitimate reasons for not doing so.

The correct answer is that it's because they're cowards and everyone has to hide behind phony patriotism to virtue signal that they love America.

/well, except the President, who can tell us his salary is insignificant, the White House is a dump, America is terrible...and somehow his fake-patriot fans eat it up
 
2017-08-02 12:54:28 PM  

LarryDan43: AteMyBrain: "Ray Lewis offered advice..."

Stopped reading there.

Why? You could take his advice and get away with murder.


You can also get away with murder by become a cop.
 
2017-08-02 01:17:09 PM  

JAGChem82: I'm going to say it again - as much as I agree with Kaepernick's stance, the NFL is ultimately an entertainment business, and unlike a regular 9 to 5 job, you aren't entitled to a job as an NFL player. Are the owners a bunch of cowards? Yes. Do they have the right to be? Sadly, yes.

I'd rather him get signed as a second/third stringer and then fade away than be some reverse Tebow - a guy people like solely because of his political stances.


You are never entitled to a 9-5 job either. Piss off the boss and see how long you last.
 
2017-08-02 01:17:14 PM  

bainsguy: If Mike f*cking Glennon has a job, be it backup or starter, Kaepernick sure as hell should.


It's worse than that. Do you realize that Dan "What's a safety?" Orlovsky is currently active? (Granted, it's on the Rams, but still... how the hell does he have a job, and Kaep does not?)
 
2017-08-02 01:43:49 PM  
I'm a fan of the team with the most questionable QB roster in the league (Cleveland), and all i want to do is win.... I wouldn't want Kap on my team, because frankly, i don't see him helping.   All 3 of our current middling talents on the roster, i see as more talented than Kap.

Thats my impression.... I think he got 'broke' a few seasons ago.

He seems like a nice dude... an honorable dude... I do NOT agree with him blaming the concept of 'America' or the flag, as the culprit to black discrimination.... but i can kinda see what he meant.  Thats not the deal-breaker.   I respect his activism, even though i disagree with who he blames.  But at the end of the day, i think if he landed somewhere, it would be a media circus distraction, with not a lot of talent to make up for it.
 
2017-08-02 01:46:53 PM  

Joe_diGriz: bainsguy: If Mike f*cking Glennon has a job, be it backup or starter, Kaepernick sure as hell should.

It's worse than that. Do you realize that Dan "What's a safety?" Orlovsky is currently active? (Granted, it's on the Rams, but still... how the hell does he have a job, and Kaep does not?)


Because he's willing to take backup money and content to hold a clipboard and wave his hands from the sidelines. Kaep wants starter money and starter playing time and nobody wants him to be their starter because he just isnt good enough. He's a very good QB in a system that is tailor made for him, and none of the teams in the NFL are currently running that kind of system or willing to nuke what they have to meet his needs when there are dozens of other guys they can get to fill the spot for a hell of a lot less money.

Economics, not some bullshiat conspiracy are why Kaep doesnt have a job (yet).
 
2017-08-02 01:56:07 PM  

Dick Gozinya: Kaep wants starter money and starter playing time and nobody wants him to be their starter because he just isnt good enough.


Prove it. This comes up every single thread about Kaep, and every single time, the "proof" is either "I read/heard it somewhere", or a link to a link to a link to a report from someone that "heard it from someone else". Kaep has never stated he wants starter money, or even that he demands to start. Nor has his agent. Nor has any actual team.

Dick Gozinya: He's a very good QB in a system that is tailor made for him, and none of the teams in the NFL are currently running that kind of system


Again, prove it. What, exactly, is the system "tailor made for him" that is so, so different from what anyone runs? You do know that backups very rarely have the exact same skillset or abilities as the starter, right? And that with few exceptions, most play calling can be adjusted to fit the QB in at the time?
 
2017-08-02 02:00:20 PM  
CSB:
My old neighbor, known to drop the N-bomb now and then, was a life-long 49ers fan.
Meaning, he would often scream at the TV at how much his team sucked. On and on.

One day he was ranting about Kaepernick spitting on the flag.
"Really? When did he spit on the flag?"
"In every single game! He refuses to stand during the National Anthem, and disrespects The Flag!"
"So, he stays sitting on the bench?"
"No, he kneels on the ground."
"Oh - he kneels like he is praying?"
"No, just on one knee."
"You mean, like he is 'Taking a Knee'? Huh. Doesn't that have a specific meaning in football?"
"Yeah, dumbass. You 'Take a Knee' in a kickoff when you make a 'Fair Catch' so the other players..... But he's disrespecting the flag, and blah blah blah..."

My cranky neighbor started saying, but stopped himself, that "Taking a Knee" is football code for "Please Don't Hit Me."

That is the Silent Statement Kaepernick is making, but my folksy neighbor just sees a Blah Person "spitting on the flag."
He couldn't even say out loud that Kaepernick was saying, on behalf of a downtrodden minority, "Please Don't Hit Me."

On the other hand, The Constitution enumerates no fundamental right to play professional sportsball, and team owners have every right to pass over players who offend the sensibilities of the fanatics filling their taxpayer-subsidized arenas and colosseums.
 
2017-08-02 02:36:57 PM  

Dick Gozinya: Economics, not some bullshiat conspiracy are why Kaep doesnt have a job (yet)


It doesn't have to be "some bullsh*t conspiracy" for a bunch of owners/GMs with similar financial sensibilities to come to the same conclusion based on the same reasoning. He doesn't have a job right now because last year he drew the Wrong Kind of Attention to his team and the league.

Brock Osweiler is making 16 million dollars in 2017! Don't tell me economics has ANYTHING to do with this.
 
2017-08-02 02:57:08 PM  

Dick Gozinya: nobody wants him to be their starter because he just isnt good enough


He's at least as good as plenty of the guys who have jobs currently.  His numbers compare favorably to Alex Smith's from last year and I don't' think there's ANY question the 49ers weren't a worse team at basically every possible position.

There's at least 12 teams out there were I could almost guarantee Kaepernick would play as well or better than their starter.  Is he an awesome player?  No.  But he's better than the rep he got playing for a team that was hijacked and driven straight into the ground.  You'd have to be Tom Brady or Aaron Rodgers to look like you were decent playing on the 9ers in the last 2 seasons.  The fact that he put up numbers comparable to teams that are overall much better suggests to me he could work out in a lot of places if someone wanted to hate-our-troops enough to give him a shot.
 
2017-08-02 03:05:44 PM  

Super_pope: Dick Gozinya: nobody wants him to be their starter because he just isnt good enough

He's at least as good as plenty of the guys who have jobs currently.  His numbers compare favorably to Alex Smith's from last year and I don't' think there's ANY question the 49ers weren't a worse team at basically every possible position.

There's at least 12 teams out there were I could almost guarantee Kaepernick would play as well or better than their starter.  Is he an awesome player?  No.  But he's better than the rep he got playing for a team that was hijacked and driven straight into the ground.  You'd have to be Tom Brady or Aaron Rodgers to look like you were decent playing on the 9ers in the last 2 seasons.  The fact that he put up numbers comparable to teams that are overall much better suggests to me he could work out in a lot of places if someone wanted to hate-our-troops enough to give him a shot.


He's been to a Super Bowl! Someone is paying Brian Hoyer 5.2 million dollars! Why doesn't Kaepernick have a job!
 
2017-08-02 03:20:48 PM  
I mean if you just assume his 2016 stats all go up by 37% (he starts inubianmes not 11) then he throws for basically the same number of touchdowns as Eli manning and throws 11 fewer interceptions.  He throws more touchdowns than Joe Flacco and 10 fewer INTs

Now when you consider the Giants were fairly decent, the Ravens were okay, and the Niners were just farking nightmarish at every aspect of the game... he seems like a good hire to me.
 
2017-08-02 03:30:25 PM  

Super_pope: Dick Gozinya: nobody wants him to be their starter because he just isnt good enough

He's at least as good as plenty of the guys who have jobs currently.  His numbers compare favorably to Alex Smith's from last year and I don't' think there's ANY question the 49ers weren't a worse team at basically every possible position.

There's at least 12 teams out there were I could almost guarantee Kaepernick would play as well or better than their starter.  Is he an awesome player?  No.  But he's better than the rep he got playing for a team that was hijacked and driven straight into the ground.  You'd have to be Tom Brady or Aaron Rodgers to look like you were decent playing on the 9ers in the last 2 seasons.  The fact that he put up numbers comparable to teams that are overall much better suggests to me he could work out in a lot of places if someone wanted to hate-our-troops enough to give him a shot.


You must not have watched much Kaep last year.  He's among the worst QBs I've ever seen with assessing a play as it's unfolding.  Kaep's biggest plays last year came from those 'jet sweep' plays the 49ers were running, where the QB "throws" the ball a few inches to a receiver cutting in front of him.  The play seemed to work a lot, but the pass that traveled less than a foot in the air but goes for fifty yards kind of padded Kaep's stats.  Add to that nearly every minute on the field was garbage time against prevent defenses, it's pretty tough to look at the numbers and come up with his real skill or value.

They weirdest thing was that he doesn't notice open guys.  Add to that his general throwing inaccuracy, I think it's crazy to think that he's better than twelve guys with jobs as starters.
 
2017-08-02 03:32:41 PM  
If you watched any of his games last year, you'd see just how awful Kaepernick was in the pocket. Several times a game, he would drop back, never even look downfield and then just take off running, despite there being no pressure. Half the time he'd run right into the pass rush. The reason his interceptions were low is that he doesn't throw difficult passes. If the receiver isn't wide open, the ball doesn't come out.

For what it's worth, Alex Smith had the same issue in SF. He doesn't "throw the receiver open."
 
2017-08-02 03:41:08 PM  

Crocoduck: You must not have watched much Kaep last year.


Admittedly I don't watch the niners but his completion % was 59% and his Yards after catch compared to his passing yards is about 50% which is inline with Matthew Stafford and Eli Manning so it can't all be 1 yard Jet Sweeps with huge yardage after catch.

Crocoduck: Add to that his general throwing inaccuracy


He threw for 59.2% you have to go up to Andrew Luck before you really start getting to someone who's got a significant deviation from that.

Could THAT be propped up by these jet sweeps you're talking about?

Sure.

Could his stats be beefed up by "garbage time."

Sure.


The numbers just don't support the notion he SUCKS though.  They don't support the idea he's awesome either, but again I also have to point out that he was playing on a team that's administratively just a complete dumpster fire.
 
2017-08-02 03:41:19 PM  

SuperChuck: The reason his interceptions were low is that he doesn't throw difficult passes. If the receiver isn't wide open, the ball doesn't come out.


Yeah man, protecting the football isn't something anyone looks for in a QB
 
2017-08-02 04:24:23 PM  

Joe_diGriz: Dick Gozinya: Kaep wants starter money and starter playing time and nobody wants him to be their starter because he just isnt good enough.

Prove it. This comes up every single thread about Kaep, and every single time, the "proof" is either "I read/heard it somewhere", or a link to a link to a link to a report from someone that "heard it from someone else". Kaep has never stated he wants starter money, or even that he demands to start. Nor has his agent. Nor has any actual team.

Dick Gozinya: He's a very good QB in a system that is tailor made for him, and none of the teams in the NFL are currently running that kind of system

Again, prove it. What, exactly, is the system "tailor made for him" that is so, so different from what anyone runs? You do know that backups very rarely have the exact same skillset or abilities as the starter, right? And that with few exceptions, most play calling can be adjusted to fit the QB in at the time?


He's literally in the dead center, like 16-17th in quarterback rating among STARTING quarterbacks, but somehow he isn't good enough to be a backup. Better than Flacco, Manning, Rivers, and many more. Dude is a headcase but he is an average qb for a starter, and a great option for a backup. People are just letting their BS opinions of the guy get in the way of facts. I am a Niners fan and can't stand the dude but he is average for a starting QB, 16 TDs to 4 ints.
 
2017-08-02 04:46:09 PM  
Guy is free to make a statement but I think the Castro shirt and the socks with pigs in police uniforms may have taken it just a little too far. In the end the NFL exists to make money. Most people wouldn't hire a guy with a forehead tattoo to be a financial planner or attorney, etc. Kapernick put the tattoo on his forehead now he's gotta deal with it.
 
2017-08-02 04:52:54 PM  
He has come up recently by our trainers that have had to stress on a lot of our new people that it might not be a good to bring up politics or religion with coworkers or clients as it could lead to problems down the road.
 
2017-08-02 05:04:48 PM  

dwrash: Be as much as an activist as you want... just don't let it interfere with your job... or use your job as a platform for it.

I think him not having a job at the moment has more to do with the style of his play and the damage Chip Kelley did to him.... teams would need to form their offense around his type of play and they are not going to do that if you are a backup.


He doesn't have a job in football for the same reason Tebow doesn't have a job.  Unrealistic demands and expectations.

If Kap had said,"I"m okay being a back-up, and making back-up money", he would have been signed months ago.

If Tebow had said,"sure I'll play tight end, I'll do whatever I can to help my team win", he probably would have been given a fair shot.

Both made demands they couldn't deliver on.  Both are out of football.  And, quite frankly, both are becoming quite bothersome.
 
2017-08-02 05:16:52 PM  
If Kap had said,"I"m okay being a back-up, and making back-up money", he would have been signed months ago.

Still waiting for someone to prove this is true. There has not even been a leak of a contract offer to Kaepernik that he turned down because he wanted more money or playing time.
 
2017-08-02 06:06:13 PM  
I've been a Ravens fan for as long as the team has existed, and I love Ray Ray (own two #52 jerseys), but I doubt he's out in the streets every day as he claims.  STFU, Ray.
 
2017-08-02 06:22:21 PM  

mrsleep: But he sucks at football.
Activism seems a better fit for his skill set.


Be people only know of his activism because of football. Chicken and egg?
 
2017-08-02 07:27:01 PM  

Crocoduck: Super_pope: Dick Gozinya: nobody wants him to be their starter because he just isnt good enough

He's at least as good as plenty of the guys who have jobs currently.  His numbers compare favorably to Alex Smith's from last year and I don't' think there's ANY question the 49ers weren't a worse team at basically every possible position.

There's at least 12 teams out there were I could almost guarantee Kaepernick would play as well or better than their starter.  Is he an awesome player?  No.  But he's better than the rep he got playing for a team that was hijacked and driven straight into the ground.  You'd have to be Tom Brady or Aaron Rodgers to look like you were decent playing on the 9ers in the last 2 seasons.  The fact that he put up numbers comparable to teams that are overall much better suggests to me he could work out in a lot of places if someone wanted to hate-our-troops enough to give him a shot.

You must not have watched much Kaep last year.  He's among the worst QBs I've ever seen with assessing a play as it's unfolding.  Kaep's biggest plays last year came from those 'jet sweep' plays the 49ers were running, where the QB "throws" the ball a few inches to a receiver cutting in front of him.  The play seemed to work a lot, but the pass that traveled less than a foot in the air but goes for fifty yards kind of padded Kaep's stats.  Add to that nearly every minute on the field was garbage time against prevent defenses, it's pretty tough to look at the numbers and come up with his real skill or value.

They weirdest thing was that he doesn't notice open guys.  Add to that his general throwing inaccuracy, I think it's crazy to think that he's better than twelve guys with jobs as starters.


Interesting, 'cause that doesn't appear to be the case, stat-wise, either.

Man, the Kaepernick critics sure come up with a lot of easily-refuted excuses!

http://presnapreads.com/2017/07/30/colin-kaepernick-is-better-than-jo​e​-flacco/
 
2017-08-02 08:06:05 PM  
Ray Lewis

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2017-08-02 08:48:45 PM  

Joe_diGriz: Again, prove it. What, exactly, is the system "tailor made for him" that is so, so different from what anyone runs? You do know that backups very rarely have the exact same skillset or abilities as the starter, right? And that with few exceptions, most play calling can be adjusted to fit the QB in at the time?


You don't know much about football, do you?

Kaepernik is a terrible pocket passer. He needs a system that tailors to his strength (make us of the threat of his legs). Most teams are built for a pocket passers. Different offensive schemes require different blocking/line types, receiver types and even types of running backs.
 
2017-08-02 08:50:35 PM  

Bootysama: Joe_diGriz: Dick Gozinya: Kaep wants starter money and starter playing time and nobody wants him to be their starter because he just isnt good enough.

Prove it. This comes up every single thread about Kaep, and every single time, the "proof" is either "I read/heard it somewhere", or a link to a link to a link to a report from someone that "heard it from someone else". Kaep has never stated he wants starter money, or even that he demands to start. Nor has his agent. Nor has any actual team.

Dick Gozinya: He's a very good QB in a system that is tailor made for him, and none of the teams in the NFL are currently running that kind of system

Again, prove it. What, exactly, is the system "tailor made for him" that is so, so different from what anyone runs? You do know that backups very rarely have the exact same skillset or abilities as the starter, right? And that with few exceptions, most play calling can be adjusted to fit the QB in at the time?

He's literally in the dead center, like 16-17th in quarterback rating among STARTING quarterbacks, but somehow he isn't good enough to be a backup. Better than Flacco, Manning, Rivers, and many more. Dude is a headcase but he is an average qb for a starter, and a great option for a backup. People are just letting their BS opinions of the guy get in the way of facts. I am a Niners fan and can't stand the dude but he is average for a starting QB, 16 TDs to 4 ints.


He isn't 16th or 17th. Not even close. Maybe using QBR, which is the worst ranking system developed (it was developed by ESPN so they could sell it, and it ranks "game winning" games more tahn games where a QB completely dominates; it's garbage). 16 TDs to 4 ints sounds good until you realize he only had 16 TDs and 2200 yards in 11 starts. That's terrible.
 
2017-08-02 09:01:02 PM  

ElwoodCuse: If Kap had said,"I"m okay being a back-up, and making back-up money", he would have been signed months ago.

Still waiting for someone to prove this is true. There has not even been a leak of a contract offer to Kaepernik that he turned down because he wanted more money or playing time.


I haven't seen evidence that he isn't wanting starting money, either. He's the only one to say that, but he hasn't given his demands, either. NFL sources have said he wanted $10+ mil. He says he didn't. Both sources are biased.
 
2017-08-02 09:18:36 PM  

machoprogrammer: ElwoodCuse: If Kap had said,"I"m okay being a back-up, and making back-up money", he would have been signed months ago.

Still waiting for someone to prove this is true. There has not even been a leak of a contract offer to Kaepernik that he turned down because he wanted more money or playing time.

I haven't seen evidence that he isn't wanting starting money, either. He's the only one to say that, but he hasn't given his demands, either. NFL sources have said he wanted $10+ mil. He says he didn't. Both sources are biased.


Actually, NFL sources haven't said $10 million.

"Two people I talked to" said something that led a reporter to make up that number. Here's the article that keeps getting cited: http://es.pn/2nD30Wq

Now, we know that the starter thing is a lie, because the two teams he's tried out for have entrenched starters he was never going to have the opportunity to unseat. Why would we believe "two people I talked to"?

Also, since when does anyone but the top-tier money whores like Odell Beckham Jr or LaVeon Bell talk about what kind of money they're looking for? (And when is it anything BUT an insane amount?)
 
2017-08-02 09:21:43 PM  

IAmRight: machoprogrammer: ElwoodCuse: If Kap had said,"I"m okay being a back-up, and making back-up money", he would have been signed months ago.

Still waiting for someone to prove this is true. There has not even been a leak of a contract offer to Kaepernik that he turned down because he wanted more money or playing time.

I haven't seen evidence that he isn't wanting starting money, either. He's the only one to say that, but he hasn't given his demands, either. NFL sources have said he wanted $10+ mil. He says he didn't. Both sources are biased.

Actually, NFL sources haven't said $10 million.

"Two people I talked to" said something that led a reporter to make up that number. Here's the article that keeps getting cited: http://es.pn/2nD30Wq

Now, we know that the starter thing is a lie, because the two teams he's tried out for have entrenched starters he was never going to have the opportunity to unseat. Why would we believe "two people I talked to"?

Also, since when does anyone but the top-tier money whores like Odell Beckham Jr or LaVeon Bell talk about what kind of money they're looking for? (And when is it anything BUT an insane amount?)


That reporter likely is a lot closer to the source than you are. Until we see his demands in any other claim, we gotta go with what we have. You really think the NFL is seeding anonymous false claims, that could easily be debunked by Colin himself (or the GMs he has been talking to)? You are really claiming every NFL owner AND GM is racist? Come on now. That's even more laughable than you using QBR as a serious statistical measurement
 
2017-08-02 09:22:55 PM  
Also, if it's the kneeling thing, why does Brandon Marshall still have a job?

Remember, too, that Kaepernick wore socks to practice that depicted cops as pigs. And tweeted images showing cops as slave owners. That kind of shiat looks bad and is juvenile no matter how you frame it.
 
2017-08-02 09:24:16 PM  

machoprogrammer: Bootysama: Joe_diGriz: Dick Gozinya: Kaep wants starter money and starter playing time and nobody wants him to be their starter because he just isnt good enough.

Prove it. This comes up every single thread about Kaep, and every single time, the "proof" is either "I read/heard it somewhere", or a link to a link to a link to a report from someone that "heard it from someone else". Kaep has never stated he wants starter money, or even that he demands to start. Nor has his agent. Nor has any actual team.

Dick Gozinya: He's a very good QB in a system that is tailor made for him, and none of the teams in the NFL are currently running that kind of system

Again, prove it. What, exactly, is the system "tailor made for him" that is so, so different from what anyone runs? You do know that backups very rarely have the exact same skillset or abilities as the starter, right? And that with few exceptions, most play calling can be adjusted to fit the QB in at the time?

He's literally in the dead center, like 16-17th in quarterback rating among STARTING quarterbacks, but somehow he isn't good enough to be a backup. Better than Flacco, Manning, Rivers, and many more. Dude is a headcase but he is an average qb for a starter, and a great option for a backup. People are just letting their BS opinions of the guy get in the way of facts. I am a Niners fan and can't stand the dude but he is average for a starting QB, 16 TDs to 4 ints.

He isn't 16th or 17th. Not even close. Maybe using QBR, which is the worst ranking system developed (it was developed by ESPN so they could sell it, and it ranks "game winning" games more tahn games where a QB completely dominates; it's garbage). 16 TDs to 4 ints sounds good until you realize he only had 16 TDs and 2200 yards in 11 starts. That's terrible.


Using passer rating.

QBR actually has him considerably lower (23rd, still better than sh*tty Ryan Tannehill).

BTW, you're bagging on 16 passing TD in 11 games...Cam Newton had 19 inubianmes. Kaepernick was 13th in the league in TD%, ahead of many "no way this guy ever gets benched" starters.
 
2017-08-02 09:31:20 PM  

machoprogrammer: I haven't seen evidence that he isn't wanting starting money, either. He's the only one to say that, but he hasn't given his demands, either. NFL sources have said he wanted $10+ mil. He says he didn't. Both sources are biased.

Actually, NFL sources haven't said $10 million.

"Two people I talked to" said something that led a reporter to make up that number. Here's the article that keeps getting cited: http://es.pn/2nD30Wq

Now, we know that the starter thing is a lie, because the two teams he's tried out for have entrenched starters he was never going to have the opportunity to unseat. Why would we believe "two people I talked to"?

Also, since when does anyone but the top-tier money whores like Odell Beckham Jr or LaVeon Bell talk about what kind of money they're looking for? (And when is it anything BUT an insane amount?)

That reporter likely is a lot closer to the source than you are. Until we see his demands in any other claim, we gotta go with what we have. You really think the NFL is seeding anonymous false claims, that could easily be debunked by Colin himself (or the GMs he has been talking to)? You are really claiming every NFL owner AND GM is racist? Come on now. That's even more laughable than you using QBR as a serious statistical measurement


So, you think the NFL is above lying to the public? Haha ok.

BTW, he denied that was the case the day after the article came out. There literally isn't anything else he can do. No one's saying they're racist - the NFL and its owners are simply gutless cowards that are A-OK with actual criminals being in their league, but they can't abide lawful protest because by golly, 50% of their enterprise is selling fake patriotism to f*cking rubes.
 
2017-08-02 09:34:44 PM  

IAmRight: BTW, you're bagging on 16 passing TD in 11 games...Cam Newton had 19 inubianmes. Kaepernick was 13th in the league in TD%, ahead of many "no way this guy ever gets benched" starters.


Newton wasn't exactly the pinnacle of awesome this year, either.

IAmRight: So, you think the NFL is above lying to the public? Haha ok.

BTW, he denied that was the case the day after the article came out. There literally isn't anything else he can do. No one's saying they're racist - the NFL and its owners are simply gutless cowards that are A-OK with actual criminals being in their league, but they can't abide lawful protest because by golly, 50% of their enterprise is selling fake patriotism to f*cking rubes.


Then why is Brandon Marshall still on a team? He was as vocal about it as Kaepernick. Kaepernick is just not seen as worth the headache that comes along with him. He's not a great QB and no team is going to want to put up with the baggage for a bottom 1/3 or 1/4 starting QB (or for a backup)
 
2017-08-02 10:07:22 PM  

machoprogrammer: IAmRight: BTW, you're bagging on 16 passing TD in 11 games...Cam Newton had 19 inubianmes. Kaepernick was 13th in the league in TD%, ahead of many "no way this guy ever gets benched" starters.

Newton wasn't exactly the pinnacle of awesome this year, either.

IAmRight: So, you think the NFL is above lying to the public? Haha ok.

BTW, he denied that was the case the day after the article came out. There literally isn't anything else he can do. No one's saying they're racist - the NFL and its owners are simply gutless cowards that are A-OK with actual criminals being in their league, but they can't abide lawful protest because by golly, 50% of their enterprise is selling fake patriotism to f*cking rubes.

Then why is Brandon Marshall still on a team? He was as vocal about it as Kaepernick. Kaepernick is just not seen as worth the headache that comes along with him. He's not a great QB and no team is going to want to put up with the baggage for a bottom 1/3 or 1/4 starting QB (or for a backup)


Brandon Marshall was signed to a four-year deal three months before he kneeled. Also, he's the second-most-known Brandon Marshall in the NFL.
 
2017-08-02 10:34:37 PM  

IAmRight: machoprogrammer: IAmRight: BTW, you're bagging on 16 passing TD in 11 games...Cam Newton had 19 inubianmes. Kaepernick was 13th in the league in TD%, ahead of many "no way this guy ever gets benched" starters.

Newton wasn't exactly the pinnacle of awesome this year, either.

IAmRight: So, you think the NFL is above lying to the public? Haha ok.

BTW, he denied that was the case the day after the article came out. There literally isn't anything else he can do. No one's saying they're racist - the NFL and its owners are simply gutless cowards that are A-OK with actual criminals being in their league, but they can't abide lawful protest because by golly, 50% of their enterprise is selling fake patriotism to f*cking rubes.

Then why is Brandon Marshall still on a team? He was as vocal about it as Kaepernick. Kaepernick is just not seen as worth the headache that comes along with him. He's not a great QB and no team is going to want to put up with the baggage for a bottom 1/3 or 1/4 starting QB (or for a backup)

Brandon Marshall was signed to a four-year deal three months before he kneeled. Also, he's the second-most-known Brandon Marshall in the NFL.


Yeah and if he was released, every team in the NFL would be scrambling to sign him
 
2017-08-02 10:54:25 PM  

machoprogrammer: Bootysama: Joe_diGriz: Dick Gozinya: Kaep wants starter money and starter playing time and nobody wants him to be their starter because he just isnt good enough.

Prove it. This comes up every single thread about Kaep, and every single time, the "proof" is either "I read/heard it somewhere", or a link to a link to a link to a report from someone that "heard it from someone else". Kaep has never stated he wants starter money, or even that he demands to start. Nor has his agent. Nor has any actual team.

Dick Gozinya: He's a very good QB in a system that is tailor made for him, and none of the teams in the NFL are currently running that kind of system

Again, prove it. What, exactly, is the system "tailor made for him" that is so, so different from what anyone runs? You do know that backups very rarely have the exact same skillset or abilities as the starter, right? And that with few exceptions, most play calling can be adjusted to fit the QB in at the time?

He's literally in the dead center, like 16-17th in quarterback rating among STARTING quarterbacks, but somehow he isn't good enough to be a backup. Better than Flacco, Manning, Rivers, and many more. Dude is a headcase but he is an average qb for a starter, and a great option for a backup. People are just letting their BS opinions of the guy get in the way of facts. I am a Niners fan and can't stand the dude but he is average for a starting QB, 16 TDs to 4 ints.

He isn't 16th or 17th. Not even close. Maybe using QBR, which is the worst ranking system developed (it was developed by ESPN so they could sell it, and it ranks "game winning" games more tahn games where a QB completely dominates; it's garbage). 16 TDs to 4 ints sounds good until you realize he only had 16 TDs and 2200 yards in 11 starts. That's terrible.


TD%: #13
INT%: #6
Passer Rating: #17
QBR: #23
TD per games played: #18 (#16 in TD per game started)

Now he isn't a very good quarterback, but just making shiat up that anyone can google in 30 seconds is dumb,
 
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