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(Reuters)   A 16th attorney has joined the Mueller team, a former Justice Department official who "oversaw the fraud unit and managed the program that targeted illegal foreign bribery"   ( reuters.com) divider line
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2017-08-01 07:32:58 PM  
Illegal foreign bribery... hmm. No idea why that would be important to look into...
 
2017-08-01 08:02:45 PM  
I understand Mueller wants to be thorough, but crikey this Orange Menace could start a war.
 
2017-08-01 08:13:20 PM  
False Flag! Hillary did this!
 
2017-08-01 08:48:29 PM  

xraygun: I understand Mueller wants to be thorough, but crikey this Orange Menace could start a war.


Mueller being thorough is a good thing. Sure, Trump could start a war, but all rational actors involved would know it would be Trump vs his enemies, not the US vs Trump's enemies.

I'd really rather avoid Trump becoming dictator for life because Mueller and his team Leeroy Jenkins'd the investigation. A rush job on Mueller's part would give Trump carte blanche to establish a Fourth Reich.
 
2017-08-01 11:57:25 PM  
He has been gathering one hell of a dream team.
 
2017-08-02 12:09:28 AM  
Ha, joke's on Mueller. Trump will just claim his foreign bribery was totally legal!

Mueller's got the Trump team in check while 2 Scoops keeps asking why there aren't any chutes or ladders on the board.
 
2017-08-02 12:19:20 AM  

King Something: xraygun: I understand Mueller wants to be thorough, but crikey this Orange Menace could start a war.

Mueller being thorough is a good thing. Sure, Trump could start a war, but all rational actors involved would know it would be Trump vs his enemies, not the US vs Trump's enemies.

I'd really rather avoid Trump becoming dictator for life because Mueller and his team Leeroy Jenkins'd the investigation. A rush job on Mueller's part would give Trump carte blanche to establish a Fourth Reich.


At this point we may have crossed the lines where people could use the "illegal orders" defense.
 
2017-08-02 01:35:57 AM  
F*ck Donald Trump.
 
2017-08-02 01:52:24 AM  
Boy, this slow cooker is talking a long time... but when it is, it should be oh so good!
 
2017-08-02 01:55:54 AM  
this guy has been known to buy store-brand fruity pebbles and thus cannot be trusted to be bipartisan and fair in this totally rigged investigation, according to whatever dark-haired stretch armstrong looking motherfarker has a show on fox tonight
 
2017-08-02 01:57:34 AM  
img.fark.net
One more before I go to bed
 
2017-08-02 02:02:04 AM  

davidphogan: At this point we may have crossed the lines where people could use the "illegal orders" defense.


At all points there are enough people willing to follow orders. The question is whether there is a civil society willing to stand up to them.
 
2017-08-02 02:13:29 AM  

Alphax: Boy, this slow cooker is talking a long time... but when it is, it should be oh so good!


I'm trying to manage my expectations. I remember feeling let down by the Valerie Plame investigation. But so much is already obvious and in plain view - it terrifies me to think what these assholes might actually have kept hidden.
 
2017-08-02 02:29:10 AM  
See, this just proves how biased the case is. Of course they're going to end up finding "illegal foreign bribery" if that's the type of investigator they've brought in.

/yes, I've seen this very argument made about previous investigators on this case
 
2017-08-02 02:30:04 AM  

Alphax: Boy, this slow cooker is talking a long time... but when it is, it should be oh so good!


BMulligan: I'm trying to manage my expectations. I remember feeling let down by the Valerie Plame investigation. But so much is already obvious and in plain view - it terrifies me to think what these assholes might actually have kept hidden.



Mueller will be putting together a report of his findings that will go to congress.

That's all, congress doesn't have to actually do anything with it, they can just sit on it like they've been doing with all of 45's bullshiat so far.
 
2017-08-02 02:45:33 AM  

Boo_Guy: Mueller will be putting together a report of his findings that will go to congress.

That's all, congress doesn't have to actually do anything with it, they can just sit on it like they've been doing with all of 45's bullshiat so far.


Does the report get made public at the same time it goes to Congress? Or does Congress sitting on it mean not releasing it, not just refusing to act on it?

Surely if it's explosive enough and in the public realm the pressure on them would be huge...

/Was Ken Starr's report against Clinton made public prior to his impeachment trial? I can't remember...
 
2017-08-02 02:45:47 AM  
Hello, my friends!
My group is thinking of taking group foreign vacation in late fall, after Catalan vote in October. Is Puerto Rico nice place in that time? Do they have good CSPAN connection?
 
2017-08-02 02:58:29 AM  

DustBunny: Boo_Guy: Mueller will be putting together a report of his findings that will go to congress.

That's all, congress doesn't have to actually do anything with it, they can just sit on it like they've been doing with all of 45's bullshiat so far.

Does the report get made public at the same time it goes to Congress? Or does Congress sitting on it mean not releasing it, not just refusing to act on it?

Surely if it's explosive enough and in the public realm the pressure on them would be huge...

/Was Ken Starr's report against Clinton made public prior to his impeachment trial? I can't remember...


I'm not sure if it will be made public. It may contain classified information so possibly not, or maybe a redacted version could be released.
 
2017-08-02 03:17:52 AM  
FTFA:
Before that, Andres was a federal prosecutor in Brooklyn for over a decade, eventually serving as chief of the criminal division in the U.S. attorney's office there. He prosecuted several members of the Bonanno organized crime family, one of whom was accused of plotting to have Andres killed.
A graduate of Notre Dame and University of Chicago Law School, Andres was a Peace Corps volunteer in Benin from 1989 to 1992.


I like this guy.
 
2017-08-02 03:32:14 AM  

xraygun: I understand Mueller wants to be thorough, but crikey this Orange Menace could start a war.


Or he'll ask the justice department to start looking into affirmative action.

Man, thank god our President is talk AM radio incarnate.
 
2017-08-02 04:30:20 AM  
Yeah but whose campaigns did he donate small sums to, hmmm?

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm​mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm?
 
2017-08-02 04:40:25 AM  

Garza and the Supermutants: Yeah but whose campaigns did he donate small sums to, hmmm?

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm​mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm?


And he's not a member of any Trump golf resort.
 
2017-08-02 04:54:25 AM  

Boo_Guy: Mueller will be putting together a report of his findings that will go to congress.

That's all, congress doesn't have to actually do anything with it, they can just sit on it like they've been doing with all of 45's bullshiat so far.


Doesn't he also have the ability to prosecute people who are not the president? Or am i wrong about that? If so, a raft of indictments against folks formerly or currently close to Trump would probably make this White House even more dysfunctional than it already is.
 
2017-08-02 06:15:48 AM  
Well who the hell cares about his stellar work history?!?  Let's get to the real questions!  How many times has he had line of sight to James Comey, did he physically touch the traitorous bastard, and most important... did he ever donate to *shudders at the thought* a democratic candidate that James Comey may or may not have had line of sight or physical contact with?!?
 
2017-08-02 06:31:34 AM  
you don't hire a pastry chef if you're not preparing dessert
 
2017-08-02 06:56:35 AM  
Compared to the constant bloviating from the administration.
The silence coming from Mueller brings me a certain amount of serenity.
 
2017-08-02 07:14:19 AM  

King Something: a Fourth Reich.


*rolls eyes*

you know that Reich is simply the unification of Germany. First Reich was under Barbarossa with the creation of the Holy Roman Empire. Second Reich was under Bismarck with the unification of the German states. Third Reich was Hitler unifying Germany and taking back german states lost after WW1. The Fourth Reich started when East and West get any reunified in 89.

Reich doesn't mean "dictatorial state". It means a unified German state.

we're not German. We won't have a Reich.

/pet peeve
//although i am half german
///*clicks heels*
 
2017-08-02 07:24:59 AM  

shpritz: davidphogan: At this point we may have crossed the lines where people could use the "illegal orders" defense.

At all points there are enough people willing to follow orders. The question is whether there is a civil society willing to stand up to them.


A good sign is all those military and police leaders who stood up to Trump's latest inane proclamations on transgendered soldiers and police brutality. People have gotten wise to our Mango Mussolini and aren't exactly going to stick their necks out for an administration whose days are numbered, probably just in double digits by now.
 
2017-08-02 07:32:02 AM  
Wait, this new lawyer has investigated fraud in the past?  That's a clear conflict of interest.
 
2017-08-02 07:42:50 AM  

Catlenfell: Compared to the constant bloviating from the administration.
The silence coming from Mueller brings me a certain amount of serenity.


I feel like Mueller and his team are the Hobbits of our tale.  Big flashy battle s are taking place, heroic, desperate stands are being taken that have everyone's attention, but meanwhile slowly, methodically, Mueller and his team are quietly getting closer to landing the blow that actually wins the war
 
2017-08-02 07:49:40 AM  

DustBunny: /Was Ken Starr's report against Clinton made public prior to his impeachment trial? I can't remember...


I seem to recall that it went published publicly after the election, like days after. That allowed all the stuff like Whitewater, killing whats-his-face and travelgate that Starr cleared the Clinton;'s of to be issues during the election.  But don't imply that it was politically motivated.
 
2017-08-02 07:51:18 AM  

DustBunny: Boo_Guy: Mueller will be putting together a report of his findings that will go to congress.

That's all, congress doesn't have to actually do anything with it, they can just sit on it like they've been doing with all of 45's bullshiat so far.

Does the report get made public at the same time it goes to Congress? Or does Congress sitting on it mean not releasing it, not just refusing to act on it?

Surely if it's explosive enough and in the public realm the pressure on them would be huge...

/Was Ken Starr's report against Clinton made public prior to his impeachment trial? I can't remember...


Hell yes it was public. They bound that thing into a soft back and were selling it at Barnes and Noble next to the checkout stand before the week was out. I literally remember rappers reading aloud select passages about Bill and Monica on MTV after it came out.
 
2017-08-02 07:56:59 AM  
He seems to think the only people who can investigate him fairly are Republicans.  Well, not necessarily Republicans because they are starting to call him out on his bullshiat.   So, people on his payroll would be ok.  Or people with the last name Trump.   That's it! Ivanka should lead the investigation, and hire Don Jr and Eric to do the legwork.

This is how he thinks.
 
2017-08-02 08:51:15 AM  
I heard from my ex-boyfriends mother's ex-husband's sister, who has very high level clearance, believe me, that every person Mueller has hired has been a Hillary plant.

He's a partisan hack.  Wanna know how I know?  Look, this investigation has been going on since - what - April?  and they've found nothing.

Time to move on.  It'd be nice if they spent this kind of time/money investigating the real crooks here - the Clintons!


/really, it's true
//I heard from my ex-boyfriends mother's ex-husband's sister, who has very high level clearance, believe me
 
2017-08-02 08:53:12 AM  

scottydoesntknow: Ha, joke's on Mueller. Trump will just claim his foreign bribery was totally legal!

Mueller's got the Trump team in check while 2 Scoops keeps asking why there aren't any chutes or ladders on the board.


Assuming it would even get to the impeachment stage (which it won't, because Dems won't get the Senate in 2018) Trump will pardon everyone involved, and Pence will pardon Trump. Hopefully the Muller investigation will expose the truth of collusion between Trump and the Russians, but don't expect justice to be done.
 
2017-08-02 08:55:32 AM  
Is there such a thing as LEGAL foreign bribery?
 
2017-08-02 09:09:23 AM  

King Something: xraygun: I understand Mueller wants to be thorough, but crikey this Orange Menace could start a war.

Mueller being thorough is a good thing. Sure, Trump could start a war, but all rational actors involved would know it would be Trump vs his enemies, not the US vs Trump's enemies.

I'd really rather avoid Trump becoming dictator for life because Mueller and his team Leeroy Jenkins'd the investigation. A rush job on Mueller's part would give Trump carte blanche to establish a Fourth Reich.


And/or future republicans to try the same shiat if trumpee gets away with anything nefarious but is too inept to actually implement his dictator wet dreams.
 
2017-08-02 09:11:57 AM  

jaycharms: Is there such a thing as LEGAL foreign bribery?


Is okay when CIA does it in other country.
 
2017-08-02 09:19:00 AM  

SisterMaryElephant: I heard from my ex-boyfriends mother's ex-husband's sister, who has very high level clearance, believe me, that every person Mueller has hired has been a Hillary plant.

He's a partisan hack.  Wanna know how I know?  Look, this investigation has been going on since - what - April?  and they've found nothing.

Time to move on.  It'd be nice if they spent this kind of time/money investigating the real crooks here - the Clintons!


/really, it's true
//I heard from my ex-boyfriends mother's ex-husband's sister, who has very high level clearance, believe me


How is Ferris Buller doing?
 
2017-08-02 09:32:30 AM  

BadReligion: He has been gathering one hell of a dream team.


I find it highly amusing that Robert Mueller actually does know all the best people.

//Schadenfreude
 
2017-08-02 09:33:25 AM  
img.fark.net
 
2017-08-02 09:44:27 AM  
My brain keeps inserting "century" after 16th in to the headline and I'm enjoying the thought of a foppish time traveling barrister joining Mueller's dream team.
 
2017-08-02 10:21:25 AM  
i3.kym-cdn.com
 
2017-08-02 10:23:18 AM  
well, this guy one time shook Hillary's hand at a state fair, so he's clearly partisan.
 
2017-08-02 11:27:37 AM  

shpritz: davidphogan: At this point we may have crossed the lines where people could use the "illegal orders" defense.

At all points there are enough people willing to follow orders. The question is whether there is a civil society willing to stand up to them.


Thus far the answer has clearly been "No".

It the GOP Congress were willing to impeach Trump it would have been done already.  Each passing day he profanes the office of President.  With every breath he exhales he debases the institutions that made this country a shining beacon of liberty for over a century.  In the six months of his presidency he did more damage to America than a decade and a half of Middle Eastern foreign war.  The man has done what even the Axis powers were unable to do--he has destroyed America's reputation in the modern world.  He has stolen the very last shred of confidence and trust in America's belligerent Law Enforcement Industry and defiled scouts to the point that they booed one of their own for a man that settled a rape case against a girl their age.

The Russians didn't help him do any of that.  His administration accomplished all that on its own.
 
2017-08-02 11:33:14 AM  

Tyrone Slothrop: scottydoesntknow: Ha, joke's on Mueller. Trump will just claim his foreign bribery was totally legal!

Mueller's got the Trump team in check while 2 Scoops keeps asking why there aren't any chutes or ladders on the board.

Assuming it would even get to the impeachment stage (which it won't, because Dems won't get the Senate in 2018) Trump will pardon everyone involved, and Pence will pardon Trump. Hopefully the Muller investigation will expose the truth of collusion between Trump and the Russians, but don't expect justice to be done.


Is there even any payoff to wasting your time with a post like this? I'm seriously curious what the intent and/or motivation are.
 
2017-08-02 11:35:50 AM  

backhand.slap.of.reason: It the GOP Congress were willing to impeach Trump it would have been done already.


[citation needed]

None of the evidence of the investigation has been revealed yet. It took some convincing before Nixon motivated Republicans too.
 
2017-08-02 12:06:40 PM  

Sid_6.7: F*ck Donald Trump.


That why I like you: Always ready to take one for the team.
 
2017-08-02 12:07:55 PM  

backhand.slap.of.reason: shpritz: davidphogan: At this point we may have crossed the lines where people could use the "illegal orders" defense.

At all points there are enough people willing to follow orders. The question is whether there is a civil society willing to stand up to them.

Thus far the answer has clearly been "No".

It the GOP Congress were willing to impeach Trump it would have been done already.  Each passing day he profanes the office of President.  With every breath he exhales he debases the institutions that made this country a shining beacon of liberty for over a century.  In the six months of his presidency he did more damage to America than a decade and a half of Middle Eastern foreign war.  The man has done what even the Axis powers were unable to do--he has destroyed America's reputation in the modern world.  He has stolen the very last shred of confidence and trust in America's belligerent Law Enforcement Industry and defiled scouts to the point that they booed one of their own for a man that settled a rape case against a girl their age.

The Russians didn't help him do any of that.  His administration accomplished all that on its own.


This.

We never go back to what we were after this.
 
2017-08-02 02:54:33 PM  
Donnie wanted to go down in history.

I think the first President ever removed from office over corruption and to serve jail time will cement his claim to fame. Bigly.
 
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