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(Science Magazine)   Panera bread advertisement claims Sodium Benzoate belongs in fireworks, not food. Professional Chemist points out that Panera Bread's ad staff belong in remedial science class   ( blogs.sciencemag.org) divider line
    More: Stupid, benzoic acid, sodium benzoate, Carboxylic acid, Benzene, Toluene, pure benzoic acid, fermented milk products, hippuric acid  
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2017-08-01 03:31:23 AM  
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2017-08-01 03:40:37 AM  
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2017-08-01 03:42:53 AM  
Since I know that the great majority of the readers here have a good understanding of acid/base chemistry, you all must be furrowing their brows in puzzlement about that one

Haha, yeah, good understanding, that's why my brow is furrowed...can I go now?
 
2017-08-01 04:25:27 AM  
Yeah. And people eat antifreeze every day, then go to yoga class. Propylene glycol is in tons of foods (and your dog's food, too, my little pretty).

We were at a church social gathering in college and a friend of mine was complaining about a headache. So I told her to take some aspirin. She said, "No, I like to let my body heal naturally. I don't want to abuse my body with chemicals." Of course I understood and was supportive when I said, "Well, you know what humans used to do before modern medicine, right?"

"What's that?"

"They DIED."

I got a lot of laughs, especially from the pre-Med students. I only remember that story because she friended me on FB a few years ago and reminded me of that. She has since changed her mind about "chemicals" in her body, I think.
 
2017-08-01 06:11:06 AM  
Lye is used in drain cleaners.  IT's also used to make pretzels (it causes that nice dark brown crust).

Lye is caustic and a dangerous chemical on its own. But it's also a fantastic chemical catalyst and often when and where it's used causes the chemical to transform into something else, like soap, or meth, or biodiesel.
 
2017-08-01 06:16:45 AM  
Everybody is rude there.
 
2017-08-01 07:21:03 AM  
Most people don't know they eat a fancy metal to make their stomach feel better
img.fark.net = img.fark.net
Bismuth = Peto Bismal
 
2017-08-01 08:13:30 AM  
I am alergic to sodium benzoate. Nearly killed me two summers ago. If the food is processed, white, and refrigerated, it likely is preserved with the help of sodium benzoate. I no longer eat processed, white, refrigerated food.
 
2017-08-01 08:28:39 AM  

Munden: Most people don't know they eat a fancy metal to make their stomach feel better
[img.fark.net image 272x185] = [img.fark.net image 237x212]
Bismuth = Peto Bismal


Dude, I get crazy sci fi metals to make me feel better and not poop myself inside out?  I'm sold.
 
2017-08-01 08:56:26 AM  

August11: I am alergic to sodium benzoate. Nearly killed me two summers ago. If the food is processed, white, and refrigerated, it likely is preserved with the help of sodium benzoate. I no longer eat processed, white, refrigerated food.


Reverse racism.

/I keed
 
2017-08-01 08:57:01 AM  

August11: I no longer eat processed, white, refrigerated food.


Racist.
 
2017-08-01 09:04:25 AM  
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Sir Martyn Poliakoff is displeased with chemical foolishness.  Tut Tut.
 
2017-08-01 09:05:59 AM  
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2017-08-01 09:08:58 AM  

Munden: Most people don't know they eat a fancy metal to make their stomach feel better
[img.fark.net image 272x185] = [img.fark.net image 237x212]
Bismuth = Peto Bismal


Bismuth is one of my favorite elements. In fact, the entire Pnictogen group is awesome.
 
2017-08-01 09:26:11 AM  
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2017-08-01 09:28:04 AM  

Gig103: [img.fark.net image 640x480]


And we're done here. That's bad.
 
2017-08-01 09:28:39 AM  

Munden: Most people don't know they eat a fancy metal to make their stomach feel better
[img.fark.net image 272x185] = [img.fark.net image 237x212]
Bismuth = Peto Bismal


yeah, but we only drink the pink parts. Duh!
 
2017-08-01 09:32:47 AM  
Lots of chemicals are bad for you in high enough concentrations.

Best to not eat lots of foods with preservatives anyway if one can help it -- especially meats.   Nitrites are especially carcinogenic.   Anything with a benzene ring in it can be carcinogenic.

Am I going to stop eating foods simply because they have sodium benzoate or potassium nitrite in them?  Heck no!   But, I'm not going to plan a lot of meals with high levels of the stuff in them.   I love fish, but I tend to space those meals out, too -- too much mercury in a lot of fish these days.

It's all about the concentration.  Eat a variety of foods so no one thing poisons you too terribly ;-)
 
2017-08-01 09:36:57 AM  
If all you vegan/PETA/anti-vaccers and anti Chemical cry babies would just cut out all that nasty NaCl out of your diets; you'd die in 3-4 months and then the world would be at peace...

PS: please compost the corpses so you return to Mother Nature that which you were only borrowing!
 
2017-08-01 09:37:58 AM  

Ambivalence: Lye is used in drain cleaners.  IT's also used to make pretzels (it causes that nice dark brown crust).

Lye is caustic and a dangerous chemical on its own. But it's also a fantastic chemical catalyst and often when and where it's used causes the chemical to transform into something else, like soap, or meth, or biodiesel.


You lye!
 
2017-08-01 09:39:54 AM  

KingRamze: Lots of chemicals are bad for you in high enough concentrations.

Best to not eat lots of foods with preservatives anyway if one can help it -- especially meats.   Nitrites are especially carcinogenic.   Anything with a benzene ring in it can be carcinogenic.

Am I going to stop eating foods simply because they have sodium benzoate or potassium nitrite in them?  Heck no!   But, I'm not going to plan a lot of meals with high levels of the stuff in them.   I love fish, but I tend to space those meals out, too -- too much mercury in a lot of fish these days.

It's all about the concentration.  Eat a variety of foods so no one thing poisons you too terribly ;-)


Freddie is dead.  Kanye poisons fish these days.
 
2017-08-01 09:39:57 AM  

Swampmaster: If all you vegan/PETA/anti-vaccers and anti Chemical cry babies would just cut out all that nasty NaCl out of your diets; you'd die in 3-4 months and then the world would be at peace...

PS: please compost the corpses so you return to Mother Nature that which you were only borrowing!


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We should start selling these things. Big profit margin since they spend their entire life paying a 15% organic markup on everything.
 
2017-08-01 09:41:01 AM  
Any chance that idiot who bills herself "The Food Babe" has weighed in on this?
 
2017-08-01 09:41:22 AM  
"I don't spend a lot of time on the blog swatting down idiotic ideas about chemicals."

Good because you suck at it. Panera Bread makes some comment about chemicals in an ad, and you write a 2000 word essay on it, I got bored half way through the first paragraph. If you want to educate the masses on this kind of stuff, keep it simple moron.
 
2017-08-01 09:48:14 AM  

Munden: Most people don't know they eat a fancy metal to make their stomach feel better
[img.fark.net image 272x185] = [img.fark.net image 237x212]
Bismuth = Peto Bismal


That's like saying eating sugar is equivalent to eating charcoal. Pepto Bismal using such a weird, fancy chemical based on bismuth that we actually don't know exactly what it is. But just because it's based around bismuth doesn't mean that it's bismuth.
 
2017-08-01 09:54:55 AM  
This coming from the same people that tried to sue qdoba for being a sandwich place?  Color me surprised.
 
2017-08-01 09:55:33 AM  
Of course most of these chemicals are harmless and are found in many foods. But Panera marketing is pushing a narrative about reducing processing to set themselves apart, so this is how they do it.

You are not going to buy a $10 salad if it tastes like something from McDonald's.
 
2017-08-01 10:02:00 AM  

New Farkin User Name: Munden: Most people don't know they eat a fancy metal to make their stomach feel better
[img.fark.net image 272x185] = [img.fark.net image 237x212]
Bismuth = Peto Bismal

That's like saying eating sugar is equivalent to eating charcoal. Pepto Bismal using such a weird, fancy chemical based on bismuth that we actually don't know exactly what it is. But just because it's based around bismuth doesn't mean that it's bismuth.


You can extract Bismuth metal from Peto-Bismol. It literally has the element Bismuth in it.

Pepto-Bismal = Bismuth subsalicylate = C7H5BiO4
 
2017-08-01 10:02:18 AM  
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2017-08-01 10:03:44 AM  

KingRamze: Anything with a benzene ring in it can be carcinogenic.


You mean like phenylalanine and tyrosine?  Yeah, get those out of your body and you certainly won't die of cancer.
 
2017-08-01 10:09:41 AM  
Chemical x is found in y, so obviously chemical x is bad.  Is farking stupid and has always annoys the crap out of me.

You know what ingredient is found in most rat poisons? Water. Therefore, Water is bad stop drinking it.
 
2017-08-01 10:22:16 AM  
The anti-MSG people are more fun than the anti-sodium benzoate people. A guy right here on fark told me that MSG is a chemical that tricks your body into wanting it, and that if you put enough on a dog turd people would not only want to eat it but crave it...
 
2017-08-01 10:26:00 AM  
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2017-08-01 10:30:13 AM  

Professor Science: KingRamze: Anything with a benzene ring in it can be carcinogenic.

You mean like phenylalanine and tyrosine?  Yeah, get those out of your body and you certainly won't die of cancer.


Actually, yes.   Benzene alone is a very toxic carcinogen that easily causes genetic mutations and often leads to leukemia.  There is no known "safe dose" of pure benzene.  Any chemical with a benzene ring exposed can also be carcinogenic in high enough doses.  Even amino acids.   Locking those amino acids into protein structures makes the benzene less reactive (or hides the active sites altogether), but it doesn't mean they're not still carcinogenic.

Also, in high enough doses Tyrosine can cause hypothyroidism, and phenylalanine can lead to high blood pressure (often leading to headaches), stroke, other mental and physical issues like phenylketonuria.

Don't believe me?   Check out Phenylketonurics. They're average, normal, every-day people who lack the ability to break down phenylalanine as well as everyone else -- leading to a high concentration.   They get the same symptoms you would if you had a higher toxic dose.

As I said, it's all about concentration.   But if you read my previous statement, you'd know that & know that your attempt at humor was pretty lame as it makes no sense.   It's not about x chemical good, y chemical bad -- it's about concentration.   Water in high enough concentration will kill you, too.
 
2017-08-01 10:37:44 AM  
I have a man crush on Derek Lowe.

Required reading for any chemistry geek: Things I Will Not Work With: Chlorine Triflouride
 
2017-08-01 10:40:04 AM  

Ambivalence: Lye is used in drain cleaners.  IT's also used to make pretzels (it causes that nice dark brown crust).

Lye is caustic and a dangerous chemical on its own. But it's also a fantastic chemical catalyst and often when and where it's used causes the chemical to transform into something else, like soap, or meth, or biodiesel.


Lye is a key ingredient in a horrifying Scandinavian delicacy called lutefisk, aka fermented cod jelly.
 
2017-08-01 10:43:32 AM  
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2017-08-01 11:00:38 AM  
Panera Bread knows their audience: dipshiats.
 
2017-08-01 11:04:48 AM  
Yay, Derek Lowe! He also has a feature (that he hasn't updated in a while) called "Things I Won't Work With"

My favorite two are
"Sand Won't Save You This Time" about Chlorine Triflouride http://blogs.sciencemag.org/pipeline/archives/2008/02/26/sand_wont_sa​v​e_you_this_time
(so named because-well, normally, if there is a chemical spill/fire, you throw wet sand on it. If you do this to a chlorine triflouride spill- the sand catches fire. There's a reason he states "The compound also a stronger oxidizing agent than oxygen itself, which also puts it into rare territory. ")

Also one on Dioxygen Diflouride, or 'FOOF', which is.. aptly named.
http://blogs.sciencemag.org/pipeline/archives/2010/02/23/things_i_won​t​_work_with_dioxygen_difluoride
 
2017-08-01 11:16:49 AM  
I bet that shiat has dihydrogen monoxide in it too
 
2017-08-01 11:18:44 AM  

BalugaJoe: Everybody is rude there.


I will say this--I absolutely love Panera, their delicious sandwiches, their nice Salads, and their amazing soups. And the staff is always great. I really have nothing bad to say about them....

...But the people that go to Panera are all the messiest Yoga helicopter moms in America. The absolute dregs of Generation X and Millenials--People that will go to their grave without ever listening to a heavy metal album unironically. Absolute toxic levels of smug.

Which is why I always get Panera to go.
 
2017-08-01 11:22:41 AM  
Panera: Convincing you that massive loaf of extra yummy bready calories is healthy for you even though you sit on your ass all day at a computer!
 
2017-08-01 11:25:46 AM  

KingRamze: Lots of ALL chemicals are bad for you in high enough concentrations.


FTFY
 
2017-08-01 11:27:01 AM  

jake_lex: I bet that shiat has dihydrogen monoxide in it too


having eaten their bread I can say it does not.
 
2017-08-01 11:35:40 AM  
DEET fear is another good one.  Who minds a little lyme disease or west nile when you can avoid whatever thing DEET hasn't been shown to do.
 
2017-08-01 11:36:58 AM  

donutsauce: DEET fear is another good one.  Who minds a little lyme disease or west nile when you can avoid whatever thing DEET hasn't been shown to do.


I can still buy it so no Lyme for me!
 
2017-08-01 11:37:56 AM  

Felgraf: Yay, Derek Lowe!
Also one on Dioxygen Diflouride, or 'FOOF', which is.. aptly named.
http://blogs.sciencemag.org/pipeline/archives/2010/02/23/things_i_wont​_work_with_dioxygen_difluoride


FOOF got me into his blog. I'm not a chemist, but I play one on TV. I wish he would tell us more about things he won't work with, too.
 
2017-08-01 11:39:13 AM  

donutsauce: DEET fear is another good one.  Who minds a little lyme disease or west nile when you can avoid whatever thing DEET hasn't been shown to do.


I love the "Chemical free" bug sprays they sell.  Lemon oil, citronella oil, I think one had soybean oil listed as an active ingredient...

Did you hear they fast tracked a lyme disease vaccination!

//Not that the DEET fearers will get one....
 
2017-08-01 11:49:22 AM  

meat0918: donutsauce: DEET fear is another good one.  Who minds a little lyme disease or west nile when you can avoid whatever thing DEET hasn't been shown to do.

I love the "Chemical free" bug sprays they sell.  Lemon oil, citronella oil, I think one had soybean oil listed as an active ingredient...

Did you hear they fast tracked a lyme disease vaccination!

//Not that the DEET fearers will get one....


Neat. I'll definitely get that vacc, my woodlot is chock full of ticks.
 
2017-08-01 11:50:15 AM  
Guy is stupid! How are you supposed to keep your fireworks fresh without sodium benzoate?
 
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