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(Space.com)   We're not saying it's aliens...because, sadly, it's not aliens (sigh)   ( space.com) divider line
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2017-07-22 10:56:32 AM  
I take comfort in the fact that, someday, eventually it WILL be.
 
2017-07-22 11:44:26 AM  
Yeah. That's just what they WANT you to believe.

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2017-07-22 12:24:01 PM  
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2017-07-22 12:33:41 PM  
Nope, just us. It's an awfully big waste of space.
 
2017-07-22 01:02:19 PM  
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2017-07-22 01:03:17 PM  
Maybe it's a Mexican satellite.
 
2017-07-22 01:13:38 PM  

Highroller48: I take comfort in the fact that, someday, eventually it WILL be.


Maybe they're just not interested in talking to a backwater hick species like humanity
 
2017-07-22 01:16:30 PM  

talkertopc: Maybe it's a Mexican satellite.


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2017-07-22 02:16:45 PM  
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2017-07-22 02:19:50 PM  
Ross-128: Could it *BE* any duller?
 
2017-07-22 02:22:12 PM  

Snapper Carr: Highroller48: I take comfort in the fact that, someday, eventually it WILL be.

Maybe they're just not interested in talking to a backwater hick species like humanity


True that.

Imagine that old, cliche "take me to your leader" scene ending in the Orange Shiatgibbon's oval office.  We'd be nuked from orbit on principle alone.
 
2017-07-22 02:29:35 PM  

Highroller48: Snapper Carr: Highroller48: I take comfort in the fact that, someday, eventually it WILL be.

Maybe they're just not interested in talking to a backwater hick species like humanity

True that.

Imagine that old, cliche "take me to your leader" scene ending in the Orange Shiatgibbon's oval office.  We'd be nuked from orbit on principle alone.


Or they may mistake his lips for an anus and try to install one of their fancy probes.
 
2017-07-22 03:50:10 PM  
I have nothing to base this on, but i'd assume that any alien species advanced enough to develop some form of FTL would utilize communications based upon quantum entanglement technology. Instant transmission over any distance, period.

Also, you wouldn't ever be able to pick up that signal at all.
 
2017-07-22 04:36:03 PM  

Snapper Carr: Maybe they're just not interested in talking to a backwater hick species like humanity


They don't want to, but eventually their business people are going to have to deal with us.  Their equivalent of hipsters are trending towards Levi's and drinking Scotch.
 
2017-07-22 04:53:41 PM  

Smoking GNU: I have nothing to base this on, but i'd assume that any alien species advanced enough to develop some form of FTL would utilize communications based upon quantum entanglement technology. Instant transmission over any distance, period.

Also, you wouldn't ever be able to pick up that signal at all.


Why would you assume FTL?  We haven't found even a credible theoretical way to do it yet, and it's not strictly necessary for interstellar travel.  A large fraction of the speed of light is probably doable (we have the tech to hit about 10% C right now), and would be perfectly adequate for voyages over the relatively short distances between neighboring stars.

Also, quantum entanglement doesn't work like that.  You can't send a message faster than light.  Period

If you have two entangled particles, and you measure one and find it has a certain characteristic, then you know the other has the same characteristic no matter where it is.  But once you try to impress some information on it by changing the characteristic in some way, you break the entanglement.

So say we each have a rack of black and white marbles.that is hidden under an opaque cover.   Our racks are identical, and we know they are identical because the marbles are "entangled".

If we are 5 light years away from each other and we both open our racks, we'll see the exact same thing.  But if I try to impress some information by, say, rearranging the marbles, or by painting them to spell out some message, that breaks the entanglement.  My marbles 5 light years away can't effect your marbles.
 
2017-07-22 04:55:57 PM  

dittybopper: Smoking GNU: I have nothing to base this on, but i'd assume that any alien species advanced enough to develop some form of FTL would utilize communications based upon quantum entanglement technology. Instant transmission over any distance, period.

Also, you wouldn't ever be able to pick up that signal at all.

Why would you assume FTL?  We haven't found even a credible theoretical way to do it yet, and it's not strictly necessary for interstellar travel.  A large fraction of the speed of light is probably doable (we have the tech to hit about 10% C right now), and would be perfectly adequate for voyages over the relatively short distances between neighboring stars.

Also, quantum entanglement doesn't work like that.  You can't send a message faster than light.  Period

If you have two entangled particles, and you measure one and find it has a certain characteristic, then you know the other has the same characteristic no matter where it is.  But once you try to impress some information on it by changing the characteristic in some way, you break the entanglement.

So say we each have a rack of black and white marbles.that is hidden under an opaque cover.   Our racks are identical, and we know they are identical because the marbles are "entangled".

If we are 5 light years away from each other and we both open our racks, we'll see the exact same thing.  But if I try to impress some information by, say, rearranging the marbles, or by painting them to spell out some message, that breaks the entanglement.  My marbles 5 light years away can't effect your marbles.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alcubierre_drive
 
2017-07-22 04:58:17 PM  

Smoking GNU: dittybopper: Smoking GNU: I have nothing to base this on, but i'd assume that any alien species advanced enough to develop some form of FTL would utilize communications based upon quantum entanglement technology. Instant transmission over any distance, period.

Also, you wouldn't ever be able to pick up that signal at all.

Why would you assume FTL?  We haven't found even a credible theoretical way to do it yet, and it's not strictly necessary for interstellar travel.  A large fraction of the speed of light is probably doable (we have the tech to hit about 10% C right now), and would be perfectly adequate for voyages over the relatively short distances between neighboring stars.

Also, quantum entanglement doesn't work like that.  You can't send a message faster than light.  Period

If you have two entangled particles, and you measure one and find it has a certain characteristic, then you know the other has the same characteristic no matter where it is.  But once you try to impress some information on it by changing the characteristic in some way, you break the entanglement.

So say we each have a rack of black and white marbles.that is hidden under an opaque cover.   Our racks are identical, and we know they are identical because the marbles are "entangled".

If we are 5 light years away from each other and we both open our racks, we'll see the exact same thing.  But if I try to impress some information by, say, rearranging the marbles, or by painting them to spell out some message, that breaks the entanglement.  My marbles 5 light years away can't effect your marbles.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alcubierre_drive


I said "credible".

How are you going to create negative mass?
 
2017-07-22 05:03:37 PM  

Highroller48: Snapper Carr: Highroller48: I take comfort in the fact that, someday, eventually it WILL be.

Maybe they're just not interested in talking to a backwater hick species like humanity

True that.

Imagine that old, cliche "take me to your leader" scene ending in the Orange Shiatgibbon's oval office.  We'd be nuked from orbit on principle alone.


Imagine that old cliche where where asswipes inject politics into threads that are wholly unrelated, simply because they are asswipes.
 
2017-07-22 05:55:43 PM  
Entanglement can't transmit information faster than light. The quantum world is all probabilistic. If you have two entangled photons, one with an "up" polarity and one with a "down" polarity, you wouldn't be able to know for certain which is which before measuring them (in fact, they're both before measurement). Alice on one side of the Universe can measure the state of the photon and determine both its polarity and the polarity of the other photon, but Bob would have no way of knowing it was actually decided. The only way he could tell Alice measured it is by going over to her and asking; he, in a fundamental sense, cannot receive any useful information from Alice using FTL entanglement.

And don't get me started on Clauser calcite analyzer loops and violations of Bell's Inequalities.

dittybopper: Smoking GNU: dittybopper: Smoking GNU: I have nothing to base this on, but i'd assume that any alien species advanced enough to develop some form of FTL would utilize communications based upon quantum entanglement technology. Instant transmission over any distance, period.

Also, you wouldn't ever be able to pick up that signal at all.

Why would you assume FTL?  We haven't found even a credible theoretical way to do it yet, and it's not strictly necessary for interstellar travel.  A large fraction of the speed of light is probably doable (we have the tech to hit about 10% C right now), and would be perfectly adequate for voyages over the relatively short distances between neighboring stars.

Also, quantum entanglement doesn't work like that.  You can't send a message faster than light.  Period

If you have two entangled particles, and you measure one and find it has a certain characteristic, then you know the other has the same characteristic no matter where it is.  But once you try to impress some information on it by changing the characteristic in some way, you break the entanglement.

So say we each have a rack of black and white marbles.that is hidden under an opaque cover.   Our racks are identical, and we know they are identical because the marbles are "entangled".

If we are 5 light years away from each other and we both open our racks, we'll see the exact same thing.  But if I try to impress some information by, say, rearranging the marbles, or by painting them to spell out some message, that breaks the entanglement.  My marbles 5 light years away can't effect your marbles.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alcubierre_drive

I said "credible".

How are you going to create negative mass?


In some theories negative mass is possible, and even quantum fluctuations like those involved in the Casimir Effect could work (so claim scientists; I have no idea how). But Alcubierre Drives don't go faster-than-light in the way that we imagine. In their spacetime they go sub lightspeed, so all of those fun causality effects don't show up. It's only in reference to spacetime away from the vessel that it appears to be going FTL. It's FTL in the same sense that a wormhole is.
 
2017-07-22 08:35:12 PM  
Oh, it's aliens. Nice try Mr. Government Cover-up-mitter but articles saying it isn't aliens just goes to prove how much it's aliens. Totally aliens.

Aliens.
 
2017-07-23 07:14:41 AM  

New Farkin User Name: Entanglement can't transmit information faster than light. The quantum world is all probabilistic. If you have two entangled photons, one with an "up" polarity and one with a "down" polarity, you wouldn't be able to know for certain which is which before measuring them (in fact, they're both before measurement). Alice on one side of the Universe can measure the state of the photon and determine both its polarity and the polarity of the other photon, but Bob would have no way of knowing it was actually decided. The only way he could tell Alice measured it is by going over to her and asking; he, in a fundamental sense, cannot receive any useful information from Alice using FTL entanglement.

And don't get me started on Clauser calcite analyzer loops and violations of Bell's Inequalities.

dittybopper: Smoking GNU: dittybopper: Smoking GNU: I have nothing to base this on, but i'd assume that any alien species advanced enough to develop some form of FTL would utilize communications based upon quantum entanglement technology. Instant transmission over any distance, period.

Also, you wouldn't ever be able to pick up that signal at all.

Why would you assume FTL?  We haven't found even a credible theoretical way to do it yet, and it's not strictly necessary for interstellar travel.  A large fraction of the speed of light is probably doable (we have the tech to hit about 10% C right now), and would be perfectly adequate for voyages over the relatively short distances between neighboring stars.

Also, quantum entanglement doesn't work like that.  You can't send a message faster than light.  Period

If you have two entangled particles, and you measure one and find it has a certain characteristic, then you know the other has the same characteristic no matter where it is.  But once you try to impress some information on it by changing the characteristic in some way, you break the entanglement.

So say we each have a rack of black and white marbles.that is hidden under an opaque cover.   Our racks are identical, and we know they are identical because the marbles are "entangled".

If we are 5 light years away from each other and we both open our racks, we'll see the exact same thing.  But if I try to impress some information by, say, rearranging the marbles, or by painting them to spell out some message, that breaks the entanglement.  My marbles 5 light years away can't effect your marbles.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alcubierre_drive

I said "credible".

How are you going to create negative mass?

In some theories negative mass is possible, and even quantum fluctuations like those involved in the Casimir Effect could work (so claim scientists; I have no idea how). But Alcubierre Drives don't go faster-than-light in the way that we imagine. In their spacetime they go sub lightspeed, so all of those fun causality effects don't show up. It's only in reference to spacetime away from the vessel that it appears to be going FTL. It's FTL in the same sense that a wormhole is.


"In some theories" isn't what I call "credible".

It relies on a speculative material that may or may not be possible to produce.  It's not merely a huge engineering issue like a matter/antimatter rocket, it relies on something that is speculative and may be literally impossible to produce. We can produce antimatter now in very small quantities, so we know it's possible to make a matter/antimatter rocket even if the cost and engineering is currently beyond our capabilities.

People like yourself have been conditioned to think that FTL travel is necessary for interstellar voyages, but it isn't.  I blame Star Trek and Star Wars.
 
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