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(Telegraph)   My five-year-old daughter was fined £150 ... for selling lemonade   ( telegraph.co.uk) divider line
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2017-07-20 11:46:06 PM  
 
2017-07-20 11:57:15 PM  
I bet I know who issued the fine:

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/He should be tracking down the swan instead
 
2017-07-21 12:44:09 AM  
Illegal email servers are okay.
 
2017-07-21 12:44:17 AM  
bloggingturtle.files.wordpress.com
 
2017-07-21 01:11:29 AM  

BalugaJoe: Illegal email servers are okay.


Illegal meetings with Russians are Presidential though.

*DERP*

i0.wp.com

So presidential.
 
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2017-07-21 01:14:25 AM  
Whole lot of editorial BS in there.

Maybe the better choice would have been to knock on a door and explain.  But people make poor decisions every day, we just have the internet now to make them a big deal.
 
2017-07-21 01:16:01 AM  
TFA: "After cleaning off an old table, we packed up our things and walked to the end of the street. A music festival was taking place in a nearby park, so dozens of people streamed by every minute."

So you went to a music festival and decided to compete with people who paid for their permits to be there?

You want a Get Out of Jail Free card because you decided to make money off the work of others?

If you really want to get your daughter started with running businesses why not get her properly certified/licensed/whatnot to be allowed to run a business at an event instead of piggybacking off the efforts of others?

That or put together your own music festival.
 
2017-07-21 01:35:54 AM  

moothemagiccow: [bloggingturtle.files.wordpress.com image 150x190]


Fluttershy's Lemon Rant
Youtube mI6DISrVTBk
 
2017-07-21 02:29:33 AM  
BS

5 is below the age of criminal responsibility in the UK.

Possibly the mother got fined for running an illegal stall at a music festival and happened to have the kid along with her.

It's reminiscent of the family kicked off a flight "because toddler kicked a seat back". Read the article and you find they were kicked off for threatening physical violence to another passenger.
 
2017-07-21 02:44:19 AM  
She's learned a valuable lesson: never try.
 
2017-07-21 02:48:44 AM  

davidphogan: TFA: "After cleaning off an old table, we packed up our things and walked to the end of the street. A music festival was taking place in a nearby park, so dozens of people streamed by every minute."

So you went to a music festival


They went near a music festival and set up shop along a well-traveled path to the music festival.

Scene of the crime: https://goo.gl/maps/TxgdyVkCTiK2

Aside: seems to be a pretty big festival.

static.loveboxfestival.com
 
2017-07-21 02:49:26 AM  
even if the story is a bit wank, the point is valid.  we played on the railroad tracks and in the lumber yard.  not with permission of course, but i mean, no-one was squatting on us like a hen on eggs.
remember putting your feet up on the handlebars coasting down a hill?  nothing can touch that.
 
2017-07-21 02:51:39 AM  
she was a pain in the ass and deserved it.
 
2017-07-21 02:53:19 AM  
So what exactly is a "council enforcement officer"?  Is that like a British nazi?
 
2017-07-21 02:59:37 AM  
So...mom's a "professor in a business school" and it never occurred to her that there might be a problem selling food without a permit at a music festival.

Wow.

What horrible business school hired her?

It's not like they did this in their front yard.  They were actively poaching business from people who have to overcome all the additional overhead of applying for permits, health inspections, taxes, space rental, paying employees, etc.

Best case, the whole things' a farce she created to come up with a story about being hassled by The Man.  Worst case, she's actually that clueless about business.
 
2017-07-21 03:03:20 AM  

OgreMagi: So what exactly is a "council enforcement officer"?


Kind of like a meter maid, but for a variety of infractions.

A rent-a-cop with a beat.
 
2017-07-21 03:05:00 AM  
She learned an important lesson.

Optimist have no place in this world and deserve to die.
 
2017-07-21 03:12:01 AM  
I'm chief 'fark the jobsworths' guy around here, but yeah nah this parent is not being very honest. They didn't set up a lemonade stand on their own front verge on a random day, they went to the park and set up an unlicensed food stand at an event where others paid to run licensed stands. No-one is not going to get a fine.
 
2017-07-21 03:35:54 AM  
does anyone ever read the twatting article?  she was with her FATHER you stunned misoginists.

jtown: So...mom's a "professor in a business school"


no.

Best case, the whole things' a farce she created to come up with a story about being hassled by The Man.  Worst case, she's actually that clueless about business.

there is no adult 'she' mentioned in the article, you are bad at reading or a reactionary dumbass.  and bad at apostrophies.
crumblecat:

Possibly the mother got fined for running an illegal stall at a music festival and happened to have the kid along with her.

there is no mention of the mother in the story.  you are bad at reading, or a reactionary dumbass.
 
2017-07-21 03:49:29 AM  

jjorsett: She's learned a valuable lesson: never try.


The lesson is to pay the fine on time in order to continue flying under the radar and to stay in the good graces of the state.

Also to determine what oversight brought the attention of the authorities in the first place and then strive to see that it never happens again.
 
2017-07-21 03:53:29 AM  

timujin: this would be a national scandal if it happened in the US. Americans would not stand for the spirit of free enterprise being throttled in someone so young

No, not here in America, we'd definitely never put up with that:
http://www.cnn.com/2015/06/11/politics/lemonade-stand-shut-down-texas/​index.html
https://www.forbes.com/sites/erikkain/2011/08/03/the-inexplicable-war-​on-lemonade-stands/#4550084a2a52
http://www.dailywire.com/news/8747/government-shuts-down-little-girls-​lemonade-stand-ben-shapiro
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/06/17/us-open-lemonade-fine-neighbo​rs-parking_n_878949.html


Amateur lemonade stand is illegal in almost any jurisdiction.  Think of the children?
 
2017-07-21 04:00:05 AM  

jtown: So...mom's a "professor in a business school" and it never occurred to her that there might be a problem selling food without a permit at a music festival.

Wow.

What horrible business school hired her?

It's not like they did this in their front yard.  They were actively poaching business from people who have to overcome all the additional overhead of applying for permits, health inspections, taxes, space rental, paying employees, etc.

Best case, the whole things' a farce she created to come up with a story about being hassled by The Man.  Worst case, she's actually that clueless about business.


Those who can do, those who can't teach.

Trump should hire her for his university.
 
2017-07-21 04:03:20 AM  
Fines? White people problems.

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Arrested for selling bottled water while black.
 
2017-07-21 04:12:17 AM  
The common sense thing to do would have been go explain in a friendly way why, although it was cute and sweet, it wasn't allowed and ask them politely to pack up.  Whipping out your ticket book as an opening gambit and fining a five-year-old girl is preposterous unless you're competing in the Douchebag of the Yesr contest.
 
2017-07-21 04:17:14 AM  

jjorsett: She's learned a valuable lesson: never try always give the cops their vig.


:)
 
2017-07-21 04:40:19 AM  
I don't feel like jumping into yet another Fark argument today, so I'll just leave this here instead.

Dr. Tran - 100% ICE (Part 1 of 3)
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2017-07-21 04:40:43 AM  
 
2017-07-21 04:45:53 AM  
PC Shiny Buttons is on the job.  This is a reason people distrust government. Common sense would have the officer buy a cup of lemonade and thank the little girl. A little compassion and consideration goes a long way.
 
2017-07-21 04:48:07 AM  

ElPresidente: The common sense thing to do would have been go explain in a friendly way why, although it was cute and sweet, it wasn't allowed and ask them politely to pack up.  Whipping out your ticket book as an opening gambit and fining a five-year-old girl is preposterous unless you're competing in the Douchebag of the Yesr contest.


Actually, again this is for folks who reads articles, the Father was at the lemonade stand with her. I can imagine his nasal whine of an outrage at the officer, "But she's only 5!! What kind of bigot tramples a female entrepreneur!! This is ridiculous! I know my rights!!"

Ticket well deserved. Taught the daughter about geting proper zoning permits, like the REST OF US ADULTS HAVE TO.

Nice lesson. Not like her daddy's ignorance will come out of her pocket money. Well, maybe. He was royally douchey.
 
2017-07-21 04:50:41 AM  

ArcadianRefugee: They went near a music festival and set up shop along a well-traveled path to the music festival.

Scene of the crime: https://goo.gl/maps/TxgdyVkCTiK2

Aside: seems to be a pretty big festival.


And?!?

The law changes somehow when *you* feelz it should? F*ck off.
 
2017-07-21 05:00:02 AM  
Pretty soon being adorable will be a jail-able offense in some nanny states.
 
2017-07-21 05:04:34 AM  
 
2017-07-21 05:05:29 AM  

uttertosh: ArcadianRefugee: They went near a music festival and set up shop along a well-traveled path to the music festival.

Scene of the crime: https://goo.gl/maps/TxgdyVkCTiK2

Aside: seems to be a pretty big festival.

And?!?

The law changes somehow when *you* feelz it should? F*ck off.


That's a whole lot of emotion you're expressing there, as well as a nice, straw man.

Go have a nap.
 
2017-07-21 05:22:55 AM  

rainbowbutter: does anyone ever read the twatting article?  
crumblecat:

Possibly the mother got fined for running an illegal stall at a music festival and happened to have the kid along with her.

there is no mention of the mother in the story.  you are bad at reading, or a reactionary dumbass.


I misread Andre as Andrea. Does not detract from my point that it was the parent who was fined, not the kid. Look at the ticket.

In my defence I can't see very well at the moment as I'm recovering from a minor combat injury.

Sorry that you think I can't read or am a reactionary dumbass. I would be upset by that if I gave a shiat about your opinion. Luckily I don't"

I would be curious to know what you are doing with your life while I am out here in Saudi putting it on the line.

/suggest you switch to decaf
 
2017-07-21 05:37:13 AM  
This is a London thing.

Seems a rather strict application of section 38.

http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukla/1990/7/pdfs/ukla_19900007_en.pdf
 
2017-07-21 05:42:50 AM  

gaspode: I'm chief 'fark the jobsworths' guy around here, but yeah nah this parent is not being very honest. They didn't set up a lemonade stand on their own front verge on a random day, they went to the park and set up an unlicensed food stand at an event where others paid to run licensed stands. No-one is not going to get a fine.


If you read the article - yeah, yeah, welcome to fark - you'll see that the stand wasn't in the park, It was on a street some distance away from the park.
 
2017-07-21 05:51:52 AM  

ArcadianRefugee: uttertosh: ArcadianRefugee: They went near a music festival and set up shop along a well-traveled path to the music festival.

Scene of the crime: https://goo.gl/maps/TxgdyVkCTiK2

Aside: seems to be a pretty big festival.


And?!?

The law changes somehow when *you* feelz it should? F*ck off.

That's a whole lot of emotion you're expressing there, as well as a nice, straw man.

Go have a nap.


Oops. Someone doesn't know what a strawman is.

There are laws there prohibiting exactly what was going on. They 'run-a-foul' of that law. The bolded bit? Total non sequitur to that fact.
 
2017-07-21 05:54:34 AM  
davidphogan

TFA: "After cleaning off an old table, we packed up our things and walked to the end of the street. A music festival was taking place in a nearby park, so dozens of people streamed by every minute."

So you went to a music festival and decided to compete with people who paid for their permits to be there?

You want a Get Out of Jail Free card because you decided to make money off the work of others?


If you really want to get your daughter started with running businesses why not get her properly certified/licensed/whatnot to be allowed to run a business at an event instead of piggybacking off the efforts of others?

That or put together your own music festival.


I don't want either of you FARKers living near me.
 
2017-07-21 05:55:04 AM  

gaspode: I'm chief 'fark the jobsworths' guy around here, but yeah nah this parent is not being very honest. They didn't set up a lemonade stand on their own front verge on a random day, they went to the park and set up an unlicensed food stand at an event where others paid to run licensed stands. No-one is not going to get a fine.


No, they didn't go to the park.

Luckily even Tower Hamlets Council seems to be far more sensible and level-headed than some of the turds in here positively revelling in this.  They've cancelled the fine and apologised saying that their enforcement officers are expected to show common sense and to use their powers sensibly and clearly didn't do so.

On the plus side, there appears to be a job in UK councils for many of you.
 
2017-07-21 06:01:06 AM  
Wow, seems that some her feel like child and parent should have been caned or flogged.
 
2017-07-21 06:23:16 AM  

The Envoy: gaspode: I'm chief 'fark the jobsworths' guy around here, but yeah nah this parent is not being very honest. They didn't set up a lemonade stand on their own front verge on a random day, they went to the park and set up an unlicensed food stand at an event where others paid to run licensed stands. No-one is not going to get a fine.

No, they didn't go to the park.

Luckily even Tower Hamlets Council seems to be far more sensible and level-headed than some of the turds in here positively revelling in this.  They've cancelled the fine and apologised saying that their enforcement officers are expected to show common sense and to use their powers sensibly and clearly didn't do so.

On the plus side, there appears to be a job in UK councils for many of you.


Council know a horrible publicity when they see it yeah

Look the enforcement should have either left it alone or said go home.. but it wasn't a 5 year old being harassed it was the parent being fined for running a vending stand near an event to glob onto it. The kid is just a vehicle for daddies farking ego.

/I wouldn't work for a council for twice the money I earn. shiat no. 90% of what they do is bullshiat and the necessary parts are unpleasant.
 
2017-07-21 06:34:54 AM  

crumblecat: rainbowbutter: does anyone ever read the twatting article?  
crumblecat:

Possibly the mother got fined for running an illegal stall at a music festival and happened to have the kid along with her.

there is no mention of the mother in the story.  you are bad at reading, or a reactionary dumbass.

I misread Andre as Andrea. Does not detract from my point that it was the parent who was fined, not the kid. Look at the ticket.

In my defence I can't see very well at the moment as I'm recovering from a minor combat injury.

Sorry that you think I can't read or am a reactionary dumbass. I would be upset by that if I gave a shiat about your opinion. Luckily I don't"

I would be curious to know what you are doing with your life while I am out here in Saudi putting it on the line.

/suggest you switch to decaf


geez, fark me, i was drunk.
 
2017-07-21 06:37:13 AM  
It's under "lifestyle -> fatherhood", Andre is a guy's name, and everyone knows women don't work at business schools. Not sure why everyone is misgendering him.
 
2017-07-21 06:37:31 AM  

uttertosh: Oops. Someone doesn't know what a strawman is.

There are laws there prohibiting exactly what was going on. They 'run-a-foul' of that law. The bolded bit? Total non sequitur to that fact.


Exactly. It is, however, a direct "sequitur" to your initial comment that they went to the festival.

It also doesn't demonstrate my feelings one way or the other about the law or whether or not they were in violation of it. Hence my liberal use of "strawman": an intentionally misrepresented proposition that is set up because it is easier to defeat than an opponent's real argument.

Since I didn't suggest that the law should change for any reason, and you incredulously "questioned" that I did ("Hey, I'm just asking questions!") and, as a result, decided I should feck off as a result, yeah: strawman. You attacked a position I didn't take. Really, all I did was supply actual, verifiable* facts.

Go back to sleep.

* to the degree the one article contains all the facts
 
2017-07-21 07:07:03 AM  

rainbowbutter: even if the story is a bit wank, the point is valid.  we played on the railroad tracks and in the lumber yard.  not with permission of course, but i mean, no-one was squatting on us like a hen on eggs.
remember putting your feet up on the handlebars coasting down a hill?  nothing can touch that.


A lot fewer kids die nowadays.
 
2017-07-21 08:27:20 AM  
I think there's a lot of gray area here. I think we need to know two things before we can comment one way or the other about who is in the right / wrong.

1) Was it really just a little girl lemonade stand? Was the Mom Dad merely there just to ensure the safety of the child and to teach the girl how to do it? Or was he using the little girl/ lemonade stand as a front to make money from the festival. I think without some testimonial /interviews by the patrons of said stand its too hard too tell.

2) How close to any other stand was it? I know it was on a route too the festival, but it did say highly traveled. Like were other vendors somewhat nearby? Were they the ONLY stand outside the festival grounds? I think this make a difference as to whether or not it seems like they were abusing the festival or just having a kids lemonade stand and using the local traffic as a good chance for the girl to enjoy the stand / make a little money.
 
2017-07-21 08:27:29 AM  
"I'm a professor in a business school, so I probably should have known some kind of permit was required."

Problem: mommy is an idiot.

They probably have a special low cost permit for children to do things like this.
 
2017-07-21 08:32:39 AM  
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What's the fine for peddling psychiatry?
 
2017-07-21 08:36:19 AM  
img.fark.net

The only thing she has in common with America is her cluelessness and entitlement when it comes to her child.  No, you can't set up a retail booth near a venue where people have paid to sell their stuff.  Using the 'but she's a child' excuse doesn't give you a free pass to do that.  And she's a business teacher, so double idiocy points awarded.  She let her child down, not the police, and needs to take responsibility for that.
 
2017-07-21 08:45:54 AM  
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