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(The New York Times)   A lot of people believe cops can get away with murder, especially when the victims are black. But apparently, shooting a teenager with an AR-15 while he's driving away from a noisy party (while your bodycam is recording) is going too far, even in Texas   ( nytimes.com) divider line
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2017-07-17 10:12:32 PM  
Well bye to that waste of space, and the other guy.
 
2017-07-17 10:18:03 PM  
oh he's been indicted

big farking deal

he'll get off and if he gets fired, he'll get severance

call me when he's doing time
 
2017-07-17 10:24:28 PM  

moothemagiccow: oh he's been indicted

big farking deal

he'll get off and if he gets fired, he'll get severance

call me when he's doing time


He's already been fired. Back in May.
 
2017-07-17 10:26:01 PM  
WTF happened to his eyebrows in that mug shot?  Are those abrasions around his eyes?
If he looked like that and they still sent him out on his shift, someone screwed the pooch.
 
2017-07-17 10:45:14 PM  
Let's see what a Texas jury says. I'll be shocked if he spends so much as a day in prison.
 
2017-07-17 11:22:08 PM  

moothemagiccow: oh he's been indicted

big farking deal

he'll get off and if he gets fired, he'll get severance

call me when he's doing time


He'll get fired, and just move to the next county over and get re-hired.
 
2017-07-18 12:29:20 AM  
you can no longer kill an unarmed person and get no billed

Get no billed? Even for Texas that's a weird turn of phrase.
 
2017-07-18 01:06:50 AM  
Phil Collins, no!

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2017-07-18 01:32:04 AM  
Here's one a friend just sent me

Family of woman killed by Minneapolis police 'desperate' for information


The cops "forgot" to turn their body cameras on. Though in this case the cop who shot her is a black guy named Mohammed and the woman is white, so he'll probably get the chair.
 
2017-07-18 01:46:21 AM  
FTA: "Last month, in a separate case, a grand jury indicted Mr. Oliver on two counts of aggravated assault with a deadly weapon by a public servant over accusations that he pulled a gun on a woman who had been involved in a car accident with him. Mr. Oliver was off duty and not in uniform at the time of the accident, about two weeks before Jordan's killing."

Yeah, this guy is in some shiat.
 
2017-07-18 01:58:19 AM  
Let me know when he's convicted and sentenced to life or higher.
 
2017-07-18 02:00:50 AM  
Just barely...
 
2017-07-18 02:02:31 AM  

stan unusual: WTF happened to his eyebrows in that mug shot?  Are those abrasions around his eyes?
If he looked like that and they still sent him out on his shift, someone screwed the pooch.


LOL He's crying!
 
2017-07-18 02:03:06 AM  
All it takes is one bootlicker on the jury to cause a mistrial. And in Texas, you'll have more than one on the jury. Count on it.
 
2017-07-18 02:04:24 AM  

fusillade762: you can no longer kill an unarmed person and get no billed

Get no billed? Even for Texas that's a weird turn of phrase.


It's not odd for a prosecutor.  "No true bill" is what a grand jury reports when it declines to indict a person on a bill of indictment.
 
2017-07-18 02:05:23 AM  

fusillade762: Here's one a friend just sent me

Family of woman killed by Minneapolis police 'desperate' for information


The cops "forgot" to turn their body cameras on. Though in this case the cop who shot her is a black guy named Mohammed and the woman is white, so he'll probably get the chair.


That kind of shiat should be handled the same as willful destruction of evidence.
 
2017-07-18 02:09:04 AM  
Weird, a functional police body cam.  Don't see that very often these days.
 
2017-07-18 02:12:12 AM  

fusillade762: Here's one a friend just sent me

Family of woman killed by Minneapolis police 'desperate' for information


The cops "forgot" to turn their body cameras on. Though in this case the cop who shot her is a black guy named Mohammed and the woman is white, so he'll probably get the chair.


Already threads on this. The passenger shot her through the door of the car as she was talking to the driver. They don't typically have the cameras on while in the cruiser. That one is weird for even police shootings.
 
2017-07-18 02:15:03 AM  

fusillade762: Here's one a friend just sent me

Family of woman killed by Minneapolis police 'desperate' for information


The cops "forgot" to turn their body cameras on. Though in this case the cop who shot her is a black guy named Mohammed and the woman is white, so he'll probably get the chair.


That story is all over the nightly news here in Australia.
 
2017-07-18 02:17:07 AM  
Mr. Oliver's mother, Linda, said her son was "an outstanding young man and the most amazing father, with strong core values."

Your son shot a kid who was no threat to him and killed him.  Most good folks with strong core values call that murder.  Your son is a murderer.  Why don't you go to the mother of that kid that died and defend your son?  Explain to her that while you're sorry her son is dead, yours has strong core values.  Explain everything.

Go ahead.
 
2017-07-18 02:19:45 AM  
he will get away with it. there will be a deadlocked jury and a mistrial will be declared, the prosecutor will not go for another trial and the he'll be rehired through an arbitrator with full back pay
 
2017-07-18 02:24:52 AM  

Anastacya: He's already been fired. Back in May.


He was also arrested on probable cause in May. Has an officer ever been arrested for a felony before indictment before?
 
2017-07-18 02:26:02 AM  

Anastacya: moothemagiccow: oh he's been indicted

big farking deal

he'll get off and if he gets fired, he'll get severance

call me when he's doing time

He's already been fired. Back in May.


Ooh. Fired. Big whoop.

Murder is not like coming in late for your shift at Taco Bell one too many times.
 
2017-07-18 02:29:37 AM  

GodComplex: fusillade762: Here's one a friend just sent me

Family of woman killed by Minneapolis police 'desperate' for information


The cops "forgot" to turn their body cameras on. Though in this case the cop who shot her is a black guy named Mohammed and the woman is white, so he'll probably get the chair.

Already threads on this. The passenger shot her through the door of the car as she was talking to the driver. They don't typically have the cameras on while in the cruiser. That one is weird for even police shootings.


Why not?  There's no technical reason for that.  A battery the size of an old-school pager can provide constant recording for 10+ hours and, at 2-3 gigs per hour, a full shift can be stored in 32 gigs.  If nothing of note happens during the shift, just write over it.

"What about when they go to the bathroom???"

"Don't point the camera at your junk."

Normal citizens work under constant video monitoring every day.
 
2017-07-18 02:31:30 AM  

Cpl.D: Mr. Oliver's mother, Linda, said her son was "an outstanding young man and the most amazing father, with strong core values."

Your son shot a kid who was no threat to him and killed him.  Most good folks with strong core values call that murder.  Your son is a murderer.  Why don't you go to the mother of that kid that died and defend your son?  Explain to her that while you're sorry her son is dead, yours has strong core values.  Explain everything.

Go ahead.


No no no, she meant he was shooting strong steel core bullets instead of soft lead core bullets.
 
2017-07-18 02:32:03 AM  
There was a scene in the film Running Scared where Billy Crystal recites the following lines:

You have the right to remain DEAD. Anything you do will be used against you.
You have the right to a coroner. If you cannot afford one, we will appoint a medical examiner for you.


This was NOT meant to be prophecy!
 
2017-07-18 02:45:41 AM  
Why did it take so long for them to charge him when he pointed the gun at the woman after the accident? Why did they wait until after this? Had he been fired or suspended right after it happened, the teenager wouldn't have been murdered.
 
2017-07-18 02:51:55 AM  
Well, it's a step in the right direction anyway. Now to see if he's found guilty and serves an appropriate sentence.
 
TWX
2017-07-18 03:18:32 AM  

lennavan: Weird, a functional police body cam.  Don't see that very often these days.


I have an idea. Use the body camera being positioned on the charging cradle and then removed after a full-charge as the way of clocking-in and clocking-out an officer. If the officer doesn't return their camera at the end of the shift such that it starts the recharge process then their supervisor calls them in for working unauthorized overtime and now that officer has annoying paperwork to contend with. If the officer fails to take their camera then they're not on-duty and not being paid.

If you want to really get creative, put a power switch on that doesn't actually turn off the camera, it simply places the footage recorded on the camera's memory into a state that does not show it to the officer, and can only be retrieved by Internal Affairs or the prosecutor's office. Don't tell the officers about this feature. Don't tell them there's a switch of any kind either, and until it's asked about in-trial, don't even mention how the feature works, let the officers think they made mistakes turning the thing off, which is why recordings exist.
 
2017-07-18 03:29:07 AM  

Mugato: Phil Collins, no!

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He can feel it
Penis going "where?" tonight
Hold on
 
2017-07-18 03:29:21 AM  

lennavan: Weird, a functional police body cam.  Don't see that very often these days.


It seems fairly easy to have a lockout chip in the body-cam, without which their patrol car won't start.. when the body-cam is plugged in, it syncs with a server installed in the vehicle, which is expecting regular downloads from the body-cams... about what you'd expect for it to record in the time period since last de-sync (e.g., cop getting out of the car to deal with something).

What's preventing research into this tech? Bureaucracy?
 
2017-07-18 03:34:04 AM  
It's only too far because the bodycam was on.
 
2017-07-18 03:41:32 AM  

TWX: have an idea. Use the body camera being positioned on the charging cradle and then removed after a full-charge as the way of clocking-in and clocking-out an officer. If the officer doesn't return their camera at the end of the shift such that it starts the recharge process then their supervisor calls them in


This won't work because the trade for any nefarious officer is a single day's pay to get away with a crime.

TWX: If you want to really get creative, put a power switch on that doesn't actually turn off the camera, it simply places the footage recorded on the camera's memory into a state that does not show it to the officer, and can only be retrieved by Internal Affairs or the prosecutor's office.


That will only work once.  Then word will get out.   IDK what the best solution is.  But my current thought is the root of the problem is these cameras either 1) actually are this shiatty and unreliable in which case we need to verify they are working every day or 2) the cops are breaking them and/or deleting the data after the fact in which case we need to live stream the data so they can't delete it after the fact.

So I like your idea #1, they use it to clock in and clock out, modified to require the data be live streamed to internal affairs.  And if anyone's camera goes dark, that cop gets called back to the precinct to get a replacement.
 
2017-07-18 03:46:31 AM  
This kind of thing is only going to get more frequent as long as officers are are spending hundreds of hours more on gun training and seminars by assholes like Dave Grossman telling them they need to 'think like warriors' and 'prepare to snuff out human lives' because these are the most dangerous times in human history with common criminals prepared to kill them at a moment's notice than they are on learning to slow down and de-escalate a situation. 

Reveal did an episode a little while back about the whole subject of de-escalation, skewed priorities in police training, and the attitude of officers towards that kind of training. It's definitely worth a listen.
 
2017-07-18 03:46:42 AM  

fusillade762: Here's one a friend just sent me

Family of woman killed by Minneapolis police 'desperate' for information


You should submit that one to Fark.
 
2017-07-18 03:50:01 AM  
5 to 99 years....

He is out on bail...

If he is convicted, he will be home within 24 months, because job=cop.
 
2017-07-18 03:53:06 AM  

Some Guy In A Waistcoat: This kind of thing is only going to get more frequent as long as officers are are spending hundreds of hours more on gun training and seminars by assholes like Dave Grossman telling them they need to 'think like warriors' and 'prepare to snuff out human lives' because these are the most dangerous times in human history with common criminals prepared to kill them at a moment's notice than they are on learning to slow down and de-escalate a situation. 

Reveal did an episode a little while back about the whole subject of de-escalation, skewed priorities in police training, and the attitude of officers towards that kind of training. It's definitely worth a listen.


Needs to be strongly recommended that everyone should read this:

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2017-07-18 03:58:27 AM  

Cpl.D: Mr. Oliver's mother, Linda, said her son was "an outstanding young man and the most amazing father, with strong core values."

Your son shot a kid who was no threat to him and killed him.  Most good folks with strong core values call that murder.  Your son is a murderer.  Why don't you go to the mother of that kid that died and defend your son?  Explain to her that while you're sorry her son is dead, yours has strong core values.  Explain everything.

Go ahead.


I'm gonna go out on a limb and assume she means shooting unarmed unthreatening black kids for no reason is a strong core value. Texas, remember.
 
2017-07-18 04:02:52 AM  

Begoggle: fusillade762: Here's one a friend just sent me

Family of woman killed by Minneapolis police 'desperate' for information

You should submit that one to Fark.


Somebody said there's already a thread, but I missed it.
 
2017-07-18 04:03:33 AM  
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THE F*CKING CAN, PICK IT UP!
 
2017-07-18 04:03:40 AM  

0z79: lennavan: Weird, a functional police body cam.  Don't see that very often these days.

It seems fairly easy to have a lockout chip in the body-cam, without which their patrol car won't start.. when the body-cam is plugged in, it syncs with a server installed in the vehicle, which is expecting regular downloads from the body-cams... about what you'd expect for it to record in the time period since last de-sync (e.g., cop getting out of the car to deal with something).

What's preventing research into this tech? Bureaucracy?


The bootlicking nature in america. This would be seen as the most horrible of transgressions against your most beautiful men and women in blue/black, and you should be ashamed of yourself fir not just rolling over and accepting it!
 
2017-07-18 04:04:24 AM  

EmmaLou: Why did it take so long for them to charge him when he pointed the gun at the woman after the accident? Why did they wait until after this? Had he been fired or suspended right after it happened, the teenager wouldn't have been murdered.


It's explained in the article.
 
2017-07-18 04:07:35 AM  

stan unusual: WTF happened to his eyebrows in that mug shot?  Are those abrasions around his eyes?
If he looked like that and they still sent him out on his shift, someone screwed the pooch.


He was just waiting for the worms.


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Additionally, that mug shot was what, 5-6 days after he'd shot the guy?  That's plenty of time for it to really sink in - along with what was liable to happen.  I'd be more surprised not to see some pretty strange behavior once all that sunk in.  He has to know he's pretty much screwed.  Any time police investigate and return multiple murder/etc. charges that fast on their own, A: it's pretty damn bad - and B: you're pretty much farked, they figure they either shouldn't or can't save you from it.

/there's also C: that department genuinely went WTF?! and let him eat it because he did some bad, bad shiat.  Unfortunately with the current state of policing overall in the U.S., that's not the most likely answer usually.  If it is in this case, then hooray well done.  But anymore it seems it's usually not "/
 
2017-07-18 04:24:08 AM  
Reminds me of that cop who killed an unarmed black kid, went to the bar after the shooting, got shiatfaced drunk and raped his male partner in a blackout.
 
2017-07-18 04:24:10 AM  

Smoking GNU: 0z79: lennavan: Weird, a functional police body cam.  Don't see that very often these days.

It seems fairly easy to have a lockout chip in the body-cam, without which their patrol car won't start.. when the body-cam is plugged in, it syncs with a server installed in the vehicle, which is expecting regular downloads from the body-cams... about what you'd expect for it to record in the time period since last de-sync (e.g., cop getting out of the car to deal with something).

What's preventing research into this tech? Bureaucracy?

The bootlicking nature in america. This would be seen as the most horrible of transgressions against your most beautiful men and women in blue/black, and you should be ashamed of yourself fir not just rolling over and accepting it!


See, I'm living in a city that just spent a -hell- of a lot on training its police to be civil and it definitely shows... I was thinking more along the lines of a millionaire crying their eyes out over lost growth-per-quarter, just wondering which money-hungry ogre was responsible.
 
2017-07-18 04:25:19 AM  

backhand.slap.of.reason: Reminds me of that cop who killed an unarmed black kid, went to the bar after the shooting, got shiatfaced drunk and raped his male partner in a blackout.


Yeah but did you see how his partner was dressed?
 
2017-07-18 04:54:13 AM  

backhand.slap.of.reason: Reminds me of that cop who killed an unarmed black kid, went to the bar after the shooting, got shiatfaced drunk and raped his male partner in a blackout.


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2017-07-18 04:58:39 AM  
"It sends a message to bad cops that you can no longer kill an unarmed person..."

The message is: Make sure they're armed first, then it's OK to kill.

Seems like then the bad cops are just going to have a trunk full of guns to plant on the deceased.
 
2017-07-18 05:13:26 AM  

Wretschko: Needs to be strongly recommended that everyone should read this:

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That shiat book is propaganda and leaves out the actual reasons why police became militarized...ORGANIZED CRIME.

Every single step in increasing of police weapons and tactics was due to the mafia in the early 1900s.

Mob got Tommy Guns, so did police.
Mob started wearing bullet proof vests, so did police.
Mob was always in large groups, police formed task forces.

Our police force is what it is due to the country having way too many farking criminals.

That said. Not a thing is going to change because SJWs and shiatheels keep everyone focused on the lies, racism...when in fact, what is happening is due to the training of shoot to kill and dont hesitate.
 
2017-07-18 05:26:29 AM  

draconian: That said. Not a thing is going to change because SJWs and shiatheels keep everyone focused on the lies, racism...when in fact, what is happening is due to the training of shoot to kill and dont hesitate.


It's not a binary issue. There are problems with the training as well as systemic racism. 
But here's the good news: we can deal with one without ignoring the other.
 
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