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(Talking Points Memo)   US ethics director on Trump presidency:"I think we are pretty close to being a laughingstock at this point"   ( talkingpointsmemo.com) divider line
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2017-07-17 06:05:25 PM  
This deserves the 'sad' tag. I hope congress acts on his recommendation and passes legislation institutionalizing some of the recommended changes.
 
Ant
2017-07-17 06:11:10 PM  
Close? I think we crossed that line on November 9, 2016.
 
2017-07-17 06:37:16 PM  
Shows WTF you know.
Nobody's laughing 'cause this tain't funny McGee.
 
2017-07-17 06:42:10 PM  
Ethics director? In DC?
Really does make the expression "farking for virginity" come home to roost, eh?
 
2017-07-17 06:43:06 PM  
This country made a very serious mistake last November, one that everyone will ultimately be paying for.
 
2017-07-17 06:46:34 PM  

whidbey: This country made a very serious mistake last November, one that everyone will ultimately be paying for.


You mention the past tense and future tense.
My problem is with the present. Every day we put up with this bulls hit is the mistake.
 
2017-07-17 06:48:16 PM  

snocone: whidbey: This country made a very serious mistake last November, one that everyone will ultimately be paying for.

You mention the past tense and future tense.
My problem is with the present. Every day we put up with this bulls hit is the mistake.


Hey, I'm ready to throw out the bum as much as the next guy.
 
2017-07-17 06:49:29 PM  

whidbey: snocone: whidbey: This country made a very serious mistake last November, one that everyone will ultimately be paying for.

You mention the past tense and future tense.
My problem is with the present. Every day we put up with this bulls hit is the mistake.

Hey, I'm ready to throw out the bum as much as the next guy.


I, for one, am just not that forgive and forgetful.
 
2017-07-17 07:33:34 PM  
Sweetness, I think you may need to sit down for this: you already are. You already are, but that's not really your fault. You tried. You tried, you put in the good fight, and you failed. Failure to turn grifters from the path of the grift...that takes more than good intentions and a whole lot of philosophy and law classes. These motherf*ckers NEED Jesus, and there is no shame in failing to live up to the Man from Galilee's standards of preaching to the fallen...

Move on to your new gig, and know that you put up a good fight, against impossible odds, and you leave with your honor intact.
 
2017-07-17 07:41:55 PM  
Close to?
 
2017-07-17 07:59:31 PM  
Wait, "pretty close"? Dude, "laughingstock" is so far behind us it doesn't even look bigger in the sideview mirror anymore.
 
2017-07-17 08:50:28 PM  
img.fark.net
 
2017-07-17 08:50:41 PM  
Too late.
 
2017-07-17 08:50:55 PM  

timujin: Wait, "pretty close"? Dude, "laughingstock" is so far behind us it doesn't even look bigger in the sideview mirror anymore.


when best korea is trolling you for laughs, pretty sure you hit bottom
 
2017-07-17 08:52:16 PM  
Pretty close?
 
2017-07-17 08:53:26 PM  
Its about ethics in modern presidenting
 
2017-07-17 08:56:32 PM  
Yea, well, he's got at least a shred of a point.

I'm not laughing.
 
2017-07-17 08:58:29 PM  

2chinz: This deserves the 'sad' tag. I hope congress acts on his recommendation and passes legislation institutionalizing some of the recommended changes.

I think they plan on putting all sorts of new rules and restrictions on the Executive Branch.

As soon as the next Democrat gets elected.
 
2017-07-17 08:59:52 PM  
img.fark.net
Tried? We succeeded.
 
2017-07-17 09:00:06 PM  

snocone: Ethics director? In DC?
Really does make the expression "farking for virginity" come home to roost, eh?


I think it is more just to remind them of the concept, not actually enforce it.


Shaub announced earlier this month that he will resign as director of OGE after challenging the White House on ethics issues for six months. In an interview with the Washington Post earlier this month, Shaub said he felt he couldn't accomplish anything else from within the Trump administration.

When your ethics director says "Fark this! It's pointless... I quit!", yeah, it means something.
 
2017-07-17 09:06:48 PM  

Percise1: snocone: Ethics director? In DC?
Really does make the expression "farking for virginity" come home to roost, eh?

I think it is more just to remind them of the concept, not actually enforce it.


Shaub announced earlier this month that he will resign as director of OGE after challenging the White House on ethics issues for six months. In an interview with the Washington Post earlier this month, Shaub said he felt he couldn't accomplish anything else from within the Trump administration.

When your ethics director says "Fark this! It's pointless... I quit!", yeah, it means something.


The problem is he didn't say that.

Subtlety is a lost art these days. The Trump administration and every republican is browbeating the public with nothing but endless lies. There is no subtlety. They are lying about things that are observable  by people with functioning senses.

Until people stand up and say to Trump's face that he is lying, that his lies must stop, and that he is killing America and Americans, there is no opposition that means anything.

We're at the point in our little experiment where we need to decide if democracy can survive a simple test of true vs false or not.

As of November, 2016, we're pretty firmly on the not side of that question.
 
2017-07-17 09:07:03 PM  
We elected a. conman as president of the US -- the last best hope on Earth -- and Americans crapped on our birthright and heritage. We're long past laughingstock. He's cooperating with our enemies for his personal gain. Laughingstock sounds frivolous.
 
2017-07-17 09:09:10 PM  
img.fark.net
 
2017-07-17 09:22:35 PM  
FTFA: undermining the United States' position as a role model on ethics

Is that supposed to be a joke?  While yes, Trump is worse than normal, US politicians have been blatantly corrupt for my entire life.
 
2017-07-17 09:36:16 PM  
At this rate, the next president will have to do a "for reals" apology tour once this shatshow is finally over,
 
2017-07-17 09:39:36 PM  

2chinz: This deserves the 'sad' tag. I hope congress acts on his recommendation and passes legislation institutionalizing some of the recommended changes.

participants.

There, much much better.
 
2017-07-17 09:41:19 PM  
If you've recently passed something, technically you're still close to it.
 
2017-07-17 09:42:31 PM  
Now this is a potential book I'd like to read.
 
2017-07-17 10:11:44 PM  

Emposter: FTFA: undermining the United States' position as a role model on ethics

Is that supposed to be a joke?  While yes, Trump is worse than normal, US politicians have been blatantly corrupt for my entire life.


If you think that US politicans are corrupt, you are so naive about the rest of the world that it's actually quite adorable.

In the US, "corruption" generally means listening to rich people in private settings, with no promises or prid pro quo, in exchange for money that cannot be used for anything personal, a restriction that's exceedingly well enforced.

In the rest of the world, "corruption" often means that political opponents are killed and their property given to people who give politicians massive amounts of money for their personal use.

We are not perfect, but we are orders and orders of magnitude better than a pretty good majority of countries on this planet. Trump, while astonishingly corrupt by US standards, still pales in comparison to what you see in a lot of countries. Put him side by side with Putin (by many calculations now the richest person on Earth with all of his stolen wealth), and Trump is still small fry.

On a global scale, the US is as pure as driven snow.
 
2017-07-17 10:21:47 PM  
Patriotism is only for the little people.
 
2017-07-17 10:22:01 PM  
Close to a laughing stock. I guess he doesn't travel outside the country much. They have been laughing for a long time now.
 
2017-07-17 10:42:39 PM  

Colour_out_of_Space: 2chinz: This deserves the 'sad' tag. I hope congress acts on his recommendation and passes legislation institutionalizing some of the recommended changes.
I think they plan on putting all sorts of new rules and restrictions on the Executive Branch.

As soon as the next Democrat gets elected.


Of course. Everyone knows rules are for libtards.
 
2017-07-17 10:50:29 PM  

cptjeff: Emposter: FTFA: undermining the United States' position as a role model on ethics

Is that supposed to be a joke?  While yes, Trump is worse than normal, US politicians have been blatantly corrupt for my entire life.

If you think that US politicans are corrupt, you are so naive about the rest of the world that it's actually quite adorable.

In the US, "corruption" generally means listening to rich people in private settings, with no promises or prid pro quo, in exchange for money that cannot be used for anything personal, a restriction that's exceedingly well enforced.

In the rest of the world, "corruption" often means that political opponents are killed and their property given to people who give politicians massive amounts of money for their personal use.

We are not perfect, but we are orders and orders of magnitude better than a pretty good majority of countries on this planet. Trump, while astonishingly corrupt by US standards, still pales in comparison to what you see in a lot of countries. Put him side by side with Putin (by many calculations now the richest person on Earth with all of his stolen wealth), and Trump is still small fry.

On a global scale, the US is as pure as driven snow.


And you accept this?

Wow!
 
2017-07-18 12:36:13 AM  

saturn badger: And you accept this?

Wow!


Are you saying that Both Sides Are Bad?
And, if this is true, what side should I vote for?
 
2017-07-18 01:10:24 AM  

cptjeff: Emposter: FTFA: undermining the United States' position as a role model on ethics

Is that supposed to be a joke?  While yes, Trump is worse than normal, US politicians have been blatantly corrupt for my entire life.

If you think that US politicans are corrupt, you are so naive about the rest of the world that it's actually quite adorable.

In the US, "corruption" generally means listening to rich people in private settings, with no promises or prid pro quo, in exchange for money that cannot be used for anything personal, a restriction that's exceedingly well enforced.

In the rest of the world, "corruption" often means that political opponents are killed and their property given to people who give politicians massive amounts of money for their personal use.

We are not perfect, but we are orders and orders of magnitude better than a pretty good majority of countries on this planet. Trump, while astonishingly corrupt by US standards, still pales in comparison to what you see in a lot of countries. Put him side by side with Putin (by many calculations now the richest person on Earth with all of his stolen wealth), and Trump is still small fry.

On a global scale, the US is as pure as driven snow.


Pretty much.

Bribery is still not something we take as for granted as they do in Kenya, for instance.
 
2017-07-18 02:28:29 AM  

cptjeff: Emposter: FTFA: undermining the United States' position as a role model on ethics

Is that supposed to be a joke?  While yes, Trump is worse than normal, US politicians have been blatantly corrupt for my entire life.

If you think that US politicans are corrupt, you are so naive about the rest of the world that it's actually quite adorable.

In the US, "corruption" generally means listening to rich people in private settings, with no promises or prid pro quo, in exchange for money that cannot be used for anything personal, a restriction that's exceedingly well enforced.

In the rest of the world, "corruption" often means that political opponents are killed and their property given to people who give politicians massive amounts of money for their personal use.

We are not perfect, but we are orders and orders of magnitude better than a pretty good majority of countries on this planet. Trump, while astonishingly corrupt by US standards, still pales in comparison to what you see in a lot of countries. Put him side by side with Putin (by many calculations now the richest person on Earth with all of his stolen wealth), and Trump is still small fry.

On a global scale, the US is as pure as driven snow.


I'm afraid I can't really agree with this.  Prior to Trump's election, I would have considered America to be in the top 20 countries for ethics in politics.  Now, I would position it somewhere around 50th.  Most Western European countries are giggling into their beer mugs when they think about Trump's antics.

Now, I'll be the first one to say that there has been corruption in your politics for a long time, and that there is an unacceptable level of corruption in the politics of most countries.  I think the difference now is that everyone is laughing at America, because the pretence of 'driven snow' has disappeared.

The laughter is stifled in public because you've got all those nukes.  It makes the entire situation that little bit more farcical.  Farkical?  Is that a word?
 
2017-07-18 04:13:06 AM  
Close to from what side? Has it been reducing??
 
2017-07-18 06:43:12 AM  
Obvious tag taking a nap for this story?
 
2017-07-18 08:01:37 AM  

cptjeff: On a global scale, the US is as pure as driven snow.


"Hey, we're cleaner than Venezuela."

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2017-07-18 09:00:37 AM  

Percise1: snocone: Ethics director? In DC?
Really does make the expression "farking for virginity" come home to roost, eh?

I think it is more just to remind them of the concept, not actually enforce it.


Shaub announced earlier this month that he will resign as director of OGE after challenging the White House on ethics issues for six months. In an interview with the Washington Post earlier this month, Shaub said he felt he couldn't accomplish anything else from within the Trump administration.

When your ethics director says "Fark this! It's pointless... I quit!", yeah, it means something.


You are gonna need SWAT for this administration.
 
2017-07-18 09:03:25 AM  

Without Fail: saturn badger: And you accept this?

Wow!

Are you saying that Both Sides Are Bad?
And, if this is true, what side should I vote for?


WTF is wrong with you?
The obvious plan is for you not to vote.
Some people's kids,,,
 
2017-07-18 09:04:06 AM  
His head would have exploded if Hillary had won.
 
2017-07-18 10:44:17 AM  

Wolfling: cptjeff: Emposter: FTFA: undermining the United States' position as a role model on ethics

Is that supposed to be a joke?  While yes, Trump is worse than normal, US politicians have been blatantly corrupt for my entire life.

If you think that US politicans are corrupt, you are so naive about the rest of the world that it's actually quite adorable.

In the US, "corruption" generally means listening to rich people in private settings, with no promises or prid pro quo, in exchange for money that cannot be used for anything personal, a restriction that's exceedingly well enforced.

In the rest of the world, "corruption" often means that political opponents are killed and their property given to people who give politicians massive amounts of money for their personal use.

We are not perfect, but we are orders and orders of magnitude better than a pretty good majority of countries on this planet. Trump, while astonishingly corrupt by US standards, still pales in comparison to what you see in a lot of countries. Put him side by side with Putin (by many calculations now the richest person on Earth with all of his stolen wealth), and Trump is still small fry.

On a global scale, the US is as pure as driven snow.

I'm afraid I can't really agree with this.  Prior to Trump's election, I would have considered America to be in the top 20 countries for ethics in politics.  Now, I would position it somewhere around 50th.  Most Western European countries are giggling into their beer mugs when they think about Trump's antics.

Now, I'll be the first one to say that there has been corruption in your politics for a long time, and that there is an unacceptable level of corruption in the politics of most countries.  I think the difference now is that everyone is laughing at America, because the pretence of 'driven snow' has disappeared.

The laughter is stifled in public because you've got all those nukes.  It makes the entire situation that little bit more farcical.  Farkical?  Is th ...


The problem is that Donald learned his trade in 70's and 80's New York City, whose governance was pretty much a perfect storm of ineptitude and corruption, with generous doses of organized crime and double-sided race-baiting/bigotry as garnish.

And all the Donald had to do to be seen as the Guy Who Got Shiat Done was to fix up an ice skating rink the city had farked up repeatedly for years on end. The bar was that low back then.

What he hasn't figured out is that the national political class was never as obviously slimetastic as the Koch administration, and has actually improved somewhat since then. They're a looooong way from decent, but I think it's safe to say that the days of senators grinding on a cocktail waitress or hiding their mixed-race kid are gone for good.
 
2017-07-18 11:51:55 AM  

Anglachel: His head would have exploded if Hillary had won.


Nobody farking cares about farking Hillary, jesus farking christ.  She has NOTHING to do with this shiat anymore. Find another goddamn talking point, goddamn it.
 
2017-07-18 12:21:23 PM  
I guess he just realized he was food.
At some point, food realizes it is just food.
 
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