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2017-07-17 06:49:53 PM  
Has Nolan directed a dud yet? The guy knows how to make a film for sure.
 
2017-07-17 06:53:53 PM  
I am completely psyched to see it.
 
2017-07-17 06:59:54 PM  
Was getting an Oscar nomination for Best Picture part of your plan?

Of course!
 
2017-07-17 07:02:11 PM  

SoupGuru: Has Nolan directed a dud yet? The guy knows how to make a film for sure.


His films are flawed. They are both good and bad at the same time.
 
2017-07-17 07:03:47 PM  
Dunkirk is fake history.
IT NEVER HAPPENED!

i.telegraph.co.uk
 
2017-07-17 07:08:35 PM  

SoupGuru: Has Nolan directed a dud yet? The guy knows how to make a film for sure.


The only two that didn't really resonate with me were Insomnia and The Dark Knight Rises.

Even then, I wouldn't say they were awful.
 
2017-07-17 07:08:49 PM  
The preview reminded me of the best visuals from Saving Private Ryan.
 
2017-07-17 07:08:56 PM  

SoupGuru: Has Nolan directed a dud yet? The guy knows how to make a film for sure.


I'd argue that the Dark Knight and Dark Knight Rises are weak films, primarily because their focus on realism made it much easier for me to question plot holes and timelines much more closely than I might have in a more fantastic story.
 
2017-07-17 07:10:46 PM  

SoupGuru: Has Nolan directed a dud yet? The guy knows how to make a film for sure.


The Dark Knight Rises was his weakest film.  The plot is ridiculous at times, there's some awful acting and some poor editing.  I remember hearing how Nolan didn't want to make a 3rd Batman film and wanted to get to work on Interstellar.  Given all the flaws in TDKR, I think he spent half of his time working on Interstellar instead of focusing on his current project.
 
2017-07-17 07:12:01 PM  

likefunbutnot: SoupGuru: Has Nolan directed a dud yet? The guy knows how to make a film for sure.

I'd argue that the Dark Knight and Dark Knight Rises are weak films, primarily because their focus on realism made it much easier for me to question plot holes and timelines much more closely than I might have in a more fantastic story.


That's the best explanation I've seen for the hate those movies get. Like a cinematic uncanny valley.
 
2017-07-17 07:18:15 PM  
I'll watch anything Nolan makes (going to see Dunkirk in 70mm in a couple of weeks), but I wish he'd step back from the constant blockbuster attempts. I'd love to see a few more films along the lines of Following or Memento.
 
2017-07-17 07:20:17 PM  
I ordinarily don't like war porn, but this one intrigues me.  in part because I know the story.  it's pretty farking remarkable how they pulled this off.
 
2017-07-17 07:24:13 PM  

Johnny Rockets: SoupGuru: Has Nolan directed a dud yet? The guy knows how to make a film for sure.

The Dark Knight Rises was his weakest film.  The plot is ridiculous at times, there's some awful acting and some poor editing.  I remember hearing how Nolan didn't want to make a 3rd Batman film and wanted to get to work on Interstellar.  Given all the flaws in TDKR, I think he spent half of his time working on Interstellar instead of focusing on his current project.


I didn't really care for Interstellar, either. I wouldn't say he's had any duds, but he certainly has films that aren't up to the same par as The Prestige and Batman Begins.
 
2017-07-17 07:32:22 PM  

SoupGuru: Has Nolan directed a dud yet? The guy knows how to make a film for sure.


His films are pseudo-intellectual garbage. They have the appearance of being complex, but they're all pretty lightweight and facile.

Take the Batman movies. They toy with the idea of how do you seek justice in a system that is completely corrupt and the ethics/morality of acting as an extrajudicial agent of the law in such a system. But the movies never take this thought experiment to where it should go - Batman killing people - and they end up being a very conventional movies. Compare it to LA Confidential which tackles the same theme, but ends with the hero shooting the villain in the back because he knows the legal system will never deliver justice, and then he helps cover the whole thing up so he can remain a media darling.

FLAME ON!
 
2017-07-17 07:33:11 PM  

NeoCortex42: Johnny Rockets: SoupGuru: Has Nolan directed a dud yet? The guy knows how to make a film for sure.

The Dark Knight Rises was his weakest film.  The plot is ridiculous at times, there's some awful acting and some poor editing.  I remember hearing how Nolan didn't want to make a 3rd Batman film and wanted to get to work on Interstellar.  Given all the flaws in TDKR, I think he spent half of his time working on Interstellar instead of focusing on his current project.

I didn't really care for Interstellar, either. I wouldn't say he's had any duds, but he certainly has films that aren't up to the same par as The Prestige and Batman Begins.


I'd thought I was the only one who thought Batman Begins was his best Batman movie.
 
2017-07-17 07:34:24 PM  

Bith Set Me Up: NeoCortex42: Johnny Rockets: SoupGuru: Has Nolan directed a dud yet? The guy knows how to make a film for sure.

The Dark Knight Rises was his weakest film.  The plot is ridiculous at times, there's some awful acting and some poor editing.  I remember hearing how Nolan didn't want to make a 3rd Batman film and wanted to get to work on Interstellar.  Given all the flaws in TDKR, I think he spent half of his time working on Interstellar instead of focusing on his current project.

I didn't really care for Interstellar, either. I wouldn't say he's had any duds, but he certainly has films that aren't up to the same par as The Prestige and Batman Begins.

I'd thought I was the only one who thought Batman Begins was his best Batman movie.


Nope.

/Really wanted to like Interstellar more than I did.
 
2017-07-17 07:36:03 PM  

NeoCortex42: I didn't really care for Interstellar, either. I wouldn't say he's had any duds, but he certainly has films that aren't up to the same par as The Prestige and Batman Begins.


It was a much better movie when it was called Contact.
 
2017-07-17 07:37:12 PM  
At an IMAX screening for a different film a few weeks ago, we were shown a preview of Dunkirk that appeared to be about 4-5 minutes of unedited scene. It was just perfect - the cinematography, acting, sound design, editing, music - just in those few minutes it felt like a filmmaker at the height of his powers and in total control, which Nolan is. Can't wait - planning on tracking down one of the true 70mm IMAX projections of it - you can find the nearest one to you here: https://www.imax.com/news/experience-dunkirk-imax-70mm-film-and​-imax-l​aser
 
2017-07-17 07:37:56 PM  
Inception
The Dark Knight (Everything before and after the boat scenario)
The Prestige
Batman Begins

I base my rankings solely from first viewing in a theater.
 
2017-07-17 07:45:00 PM  
Logan came out months ago, subby.
 
2017-07-17 07:47:58 PM  
I'll see it eventually, but I'm not that excited about the story.
A bunch of people start getting shot at, then decide it's better to get to a place where they won't be getting shot at.
That's basically every World War II movie since the John Wayne days.
 
2017-07-17 07:58:10 PM  
i'd watch a documentary about dunkirk, but this holds no interest for me.  i find war movies excruciatingly boring

i hope it's good - too many shiatty war movies already
 
2017-07-17 08:05:20 PM  

BretMavrik: going to see Dunkirk in 70mm in a couple of weeks


not sure that's how he intended it. I know he shot it in a combination of formats, including IMAX, which is interesting. apparently the aspect ratios change during the film, depending on the scene.
 
2017-07-17 08:10:06 PM  

foo monkey: Logan came out months ago, subby.


Unforgiven with Claws was a good movie, but give British WWII Participation Medal: The Movie a chance.
 
2017-07-17 08:16:09 PM  

shower_in_my_socks: At an IMAX screening for a different film a few weeks ago, we were shown a preview of Dunkirk that appeared to be about 4-5 minutes of unedited scene. It was just perfect - the cinematography, acting, sound design, editing, music - just in those few minutes it felt like a filmmaker at the height of his powers and in total control, which Nolan is. Can't wait - planning on tracking down one of the true 70mm IMAX projections of it - you can find the nearest one to you here: https://www.imax.com/news/experience-dunkirk-imax-70mm-film-and-​imax-laser


That list is not complete.  Here's the complete list.....

http://www.nolanfans.com/2017/06/24/list-of-us-and-canada-70mm-dunkir​k​-locations-hidden-on-official-website/
 
2017-07-17 08:24:55 PM  

thornhill: SoupGuru: Has Nolan directed a dud yet? The guy knows how to make a film for sure.

His films are pseudo-intellectual garbage. They have the appearance of being complex, but they're all pretty lightweight and facile.

Take the Batman movies. They toy with the idea of how do you seek justice in a system that is completely corrupt and the ethics/morality of acting as an extrajudicial agent of the law in such a system. But the movies never take this thought experiment to where it should go - Batman killing people - and they end up being a very conventional movies. Compare it to LA Confidential which tackles the same theme, but ends with the hero shooting the villain in the back because he knows the legal system will never deliver justice, and then he helps cover the whole thing up so he can remain a media darling.

FLAME ON!


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2017-07-17 08:32:02 PM  

thornhill: SoupGuru: Has Nolan directed a dud yet? The guy knows how to make a film for sure.

His films are pseudo-intellectual garbage. They have the appearance of being complex, but they're all pretty lightweight and facile.

Take the Batman movies. They toy with the idea of how do you seek justice in a system that is completely corrupt and the ethics/morality of acting as an extrajudicial agent of the law in such a system. But the movies never take this thought experiment to where it should go - Batman killing people - and they end up being a very conventional movies. Compare it to LA Confidential which tackles the same theme, but ends with the hero shooting the villain in the back because he knows the legal system will never deliver justice, and then he helps cover the whole thing up so he can remain a media darling.

FLAME ON!


edgy. you sound cool. i mean not cool...
 
2017-07-17 08:37:10 PM  
The only real films are 60's samurai films. Discuss
 
2017-07-17 08:39:41 PM  

SoupGuru: Has Nolan directed a dud yet? The guy knows how to make a film for sure.


He's the Spielberg you can spell right!
 
2017-07-17 08:44:40 PM  
When Dark Knight Rises and Interstellar are your misses, you're doing a few things right.
 
2017-07-17 08:44:51 PM  

foo monkey: Logan came out months ago, subby.


I read articles that not only is the current "Apes" Trilogy one of the best trilogies out there (and it is), but also War for the Planet of the Apes should be nominated for Best Picture, and that Andy Serkis should be nominated for Best Actor. It's too bad he'll probably never win an Oscar despite the great work he's done in Lord of the Rings and now as Caesar.
 
2017-07-17 08:48:49 PM  

skinink: foo monkey: Logan came out months ago, subby.

I read articles that not only is the current "Apes" Trilogy one of the best trilogies out there (and it is), but also War for the Planet of the Apes should be nominated for Best Picture, and that Andy Serkis should be nominated for Best Actor. It's too bad he'll probably never win an Oscar despite the great work he's done in Lord of the Rings and now as Caesar.


In 1980, George Lucas tried to get Frank Oz a nomination for Best Supporting Actor as Yoda in The Empire Strikes Back, but they rejected him for the same stuck-up reasons.
 
2017-07-17 08:52:10 PM  
One thing that kind of intrigues me about this movie is that it comes in at 106 minutes, which would make it one of his shortest movies, and somewhat short for a war movie in general.  Hopefully, that means that the movie is tight and don't waste time, not that it's rushed.
 
2017-07-17 08:55:39 PM  

skinink: foo monkey: Logan came out months ago, subby.

I read articles that not only is the current "Apes" Trilogy one of the best trilogies out there (and it is), but also War for the Planet of the Apes should be nominated for Best Picture, and that Andy Serkis should be nominated for Best Actor. It's too bad he'll probably never win an Oscar despite the great work he's done in Lord of the Rings and now as Caesar.


His best bet for a win would be a Special Oscar for his work in motion capture. Although a Best Actor nomination is a possibility.
 
2017-07-17 09:15:12 PM  

jake_lex: One thing that kind of intrigues me about this movie is that it comes in at 106 minutes, which would make it one of his shortest movies, and somewhat short for a war movie in general.  Hopefully, that means that the movie is tight and don't waste time, not that it's rushed.


Maybe the romantic interlude was cut from the movie?
 
2017-07-17 09:18:33 PM  

NeoCortex42: I didn't really care for Interstellar,


I had a hard time getting started in Interstellar. I love the score as a stand-alone work of art. But I needed several tries to get through the very slow, bleak opening of the movie. For a movie that's fundamentally about mathematics and the passage of time, it's surprisingly human. I found the ending deeply moving.

And just to echo a comment made above, Batman Begins is the only Nolan Batman movie I wholeheartedly enjoy.
 
2017-07-17 10:01:25 PM  

some_beer_drinker: thornhill: SoupGuru: Has Nolan directed a dud yet? The guy knows how to make a film for sure.

His films are pseudo-intellectual garbage. They have the appearance of being complex, but they're all pretty lightweight and facile.

Take the Batman movies. They toy with the idea of how do you seek justice in a system that is completely corrupt and the ethics/morality of acting as an extrajudicial agent of the law in such a system. But the movies never take this thought experiment to where it should go - Batman killing people - and they end up being a very conventional movies. Compare it to LA Confidential which tackles the same theme, but ends with the hero shooting the villain in the back because he knows the legal system will never deliver justice, and then he helps cover the whole thing up so he can remain a media darling.

FLAME ON!

edgy. you sound cool. i mean not cool...


Eh, I sort of agree with him. I don't feel that negatively though.
 
2017-07-17 10:03:38 PM  

FlashHarry: BretMavrik: going to see Dunkirk in 70mm in a couple of weeks

not sure that's how he intended it. I know he shot it in a combination of formats, including IMAX, which is interesting. apparently the aspect ratios change during the film, depending on the scene.


Of course that's how he intended it. Well 70mm IMAX is ideal, but if you don't have that near you then straight up 70mm is next best.

The aspect ratio should change during the IMAX scenes since it's a squarer frame. Basically it'll open up on the top and bottom.
 
2017-07-17 10:13:58 PM  

jake_lex: One thing that kind of intrigues me about this movie is that it comes in at 106 minutes, which would make it one of his shortest movies, and somewhat short for a war movie in general.  Hopefully, that means that the movie is tight and don't waste time, not that it's rushed.


That's a surprising run time but even the best war movies have 30-40min of nothing they could've taken out. I'm also hoping that this is a no BS and concise telling.
 
2017-07-17 10:19:01 PM  
Meh, I hear it insists upon itself.
 
2017-07-17 10:20:38 PM  
There are 3 movies that aren't out yet that are in my DVD queue.  This one, the Planet of the Apes movie, the one by the guy who did Electra and The Fifth Element.

/ why no, I don't go to theaters anymore.
// why do you ask?
/// Assholes talking, assholes on their phones, high ticket prices, high food prices
//// I can get the DVD for free, the $2k or whatever spent on my home entertainment unit is a sunk cost
// Popcorn for $1, bloody mary's for $15, 3 friends, pause for 10 minutes whenever so 4 of us can pee.  Phfft on movie prices.
 
2017-07-17 10:26:04 PM  
Ahhh, you say "Planet of the Apes came out 2 days ago".  I ignored the reboot for 3 years, paid attention to it when the 3rd (current) one got rave reviews.  Turns out none of my friends have seen any of the new ones either.

So, I asked the library for the first one of the reboot, should have it in a couple days.  Then I'll invite friends over, provide the popcorn, someone will bring the bloody mary's, and we''ll enjoy the movie.  We're all old, my friends know that if they can't drive home they are sleeping on a concrete slab with a thin layer of carpet.  More booze for me!
 
2017-07-17 10:35:30 PM  
TDKR is on my "never watch again" list. I have better ways of wasting my time.
I had a thoughtful criticism of Interstellar, but IT WAS DROWNED OUT BY THE MUSIC.

Also, "the power of love." Don't want it in what is billed as a hard SF film.

/Do want it in A Wrinkle in Time, along with its New England setting. But it looks like there I'm getting an overwrought CGI-fest featuring a Chosen Warrior instead, set in Los Farking Angeles.
//It's like setting Harry Potter in Miami. And making him a Muggle.
 
2017-07-17 10:36:15 PM  
I was looking forward to it until A) saw the Brady/Gosling/Beiber cast, and B) Nolan directing.
His movies always let down. Shot well, decent acting, but in the end, they're empty.
 
2017-07-17 10:36:43 PM  
The only negative review on RottenTomatoes is from Compuserve, to which I say, Compuserve still exists?

/shut up and take my money, Christopher
 
2017-07-17 10:39:14 PM  

jake_lex: One thing that kind of intrigues me about this movie is that it comes in at 106 minutes, which would make it one of his shortest movies, and somewhat short for a war movie in general.  Hopefully, that means that the movie is tight and don't waste time, not that it's rushed.


Transformers 5 extended cut is 189 minutes if you need more bang for your buck.
 
2017-07-17 10:39:15 PM  

SoupGuru: Has Nolan directed a dud yet? The guy knows how to make a film for sure.


Inception - Faster and Furiouser Mind Games.
 
2017-07-17 10:40:19 PM  

cousin-merle: The only negative review on RottenTomatoes is from Compuserve, to which I say, Compuserve still exists?

/shut up and take my money, Christopher


Has Armond White weighed in yet? I figure he'll hate-fark it as is usual for his shtick.
 
2017-07-17 10:51:40 PM  
Since it's a historical movie, maybe he won't fill it with plot holes large enough to jump a Batmobile through, but I'm sure he'll find a way.

Too many people got fooled by the visuals to realize the all the scheming done in Inception was totally unnecessary.
 
2017-07-17 10:51:55 PM  

Johnny Rockets: SoupGuru: Has Nolan directed a dud yet? The guy knows how to make a film for sure.

The Dark Knight Rises was his weakest film.  The plot is ridiculous at times, there's some awful acting and some poor editing.  I remember hearing how Nolan didn't want to make a 3rd Batman film and wanted to get to work on Interstellar.  Given all the flaws in TDKR, I think he spent half of his time working on Interstellar instead of focusing on his current project.


=========================================================

Only thing I really didn't like about TDKR was Bane.  I thought Tom Hardy's performance was just... weird.  I mean, it wasn't Batman and Robin Bane.  It was certainly a step up from that, but I didn't like the performance and the voice was modified very oddly (the pre-modified voice was even worse).

Personally the only movie of his I didn't like was Insomnia.  I thoroughly disliked that movie.

All the rest are amazing*

/*Didn't see Interstellar yet.  Really need to do that.
 
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