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(Marketwatch)   Of all the mysteries posed by last night's Game of Thrones premiere, the greatest has to be 'where did Sam get those rubber gloves?'   ( marketwatch.com) divider line
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2017-07-17 04:58:34 PM  
I would imagine thin leather gloves might be use for such work - perhaps oild to make them *ahem* fluid-proof.

Leather looks less lethery when wet.
 
2017-07-17 05:11:01 PM  

TommyDeuce: I would imagine thin leather gloves might be use for such work - perhaps oild to make them *ahem* fluid-proof.

Leather looks less lethery when wet.


OK we're done here. Hit the lights on your way out.
 
2017-07-17 05:24:37 PM  
I thought maybe made of gut?
 
2017-07-17 05:57:13 PM  

TommyDeuce: I would imagine thin leather gloves might be use for such work - perhaps oild to make them *ahem* fluid-proof.

Leather looks less lethery when wet.


Pretty much that, but if I was doing that job for damn sure I would invent rubber gloves to wear.
 
2017-07-17 05:57:44 PM  
Reanimated corpses and enormous dragons are fine, but rubber gloves stretch your suspension of disbelief?
 
2017-07-17 05:59:28 PM  
No glove, no love.
 
2017-07-17 06:01:09 PM  

farkingismybusiness: No glove, no love.


img.fark.net
 
2017-07-17 06:04:29 PM  
they couldn't even be bothered to put a picture of said gloves?

*GLOVE SPOILER*

img.fark.net
 
2017-07-17 06:04:50 PM  
Probably imported from a galaxy far, far away
 
2017-07-17 06:07:14 PM  

TommyDeuce: I would imagine thin leather gloves might be use for such work - perhaps oild to make them *ahem* fluid-proof.

Leather looks less lethery when wet.


They also made condoms out of animal intestines before they had rubber (and still do for people with latex allergies or who just prefer something more "organic"), so I'd think you could probably also fashion gloves from lambskin.
 
2017-07-17 06:12:27 PM  
The books contained endless screeds about boiled leather.
They knew how to make a pair of farking gloves.
 
2017-07-17 06:16:37 PM  

LewDux: Probably imported from a galaxy far, far away


The Chewbacca Defense. Genius.
 
2017-07-17 06:33:33 PM  
I did not expect "extended bedpan montage" to be part of the episode.
 
2017-07-17 06:34:18 PM  

Mad_Radhu: TommyDeuce: I would imagine thin leather gloves might be use for such work - perhaps oild to make them *ahem* fluid-proof.

Leather looks less lethery when wet.

They also made condoms out of animal intestines before they had rubber (and still do for people with latex allergies or who just prefer something more "organic"), so I'd think you could probably also fashion gloves from lambskin.


You're not wrong, but...

First, while some "natural" prophylactics are still available (at least, enough so that my 1980's health classes warned me to avoid them), they're out of favor because they're not terribly effective, due to being naturally porous and much easier to tear.

Second, a glove shape is a lot harder to come up with than a condom.  There's only one spot you have to seal on the latter.  All that sewing or binding or gluing or however they'd have to do it would make it awfully difficult to keep the thing sealed.

On the other hand, it doesn't surprise me that they'd have something, identifiable or not, nor that the Maesters understand disease transmission better than most.  They've been at their craft more than long enough to go through the period we did where virtually every surgeon in the West had Syphillis contracted from exposure to their patients' and cadavers' blood.
 
2017-07-17 06:35:41 PM  

Cagey B: I did not expect "extended bedpan montage" to be part of the episode.


Yeah that part is getting fast-forwarded every time this episode is rewatched.
 
2017-07-17 06:37:15 PM  
We've learned that faces, when skinned off of people, are reusable and come off just like Halloween masks.  Maybe these Maesters learned how to skin people's hands?  Not only for the wet work, but for comely appearance and that soft, feathery touch when they go deep back into the "forbidden" archives for ... uh . . . research.
 
2017-07-17 06:42:00 PM  

Cagey B: I did not expect "extended bedpan montage" to be the best part of the episode.


FTFY.

Ok, the first Arya scene was pretty nice too, if a little obvious.
 
2017-07-17 06:43:11 PM  

joepennerlives: We've learned that faces, when skinned off of people, are reusable and come off just like Halloween masks.  Maybe these Maesters learned how to skin people's hands?  Not only for the wet work, but for comely appearance and that soft, feathery touch when they go deep back into the "forbidden" archives for ... uh . . . research.


A handjob has no name.
 
2017-07-17 06:47:57 PM  
You can make rubber from plants other than tropical rubber trees. The Hohokam of Arizona made rubber balls from guayule 1300 years ago, and there's a species of dandelion from Kazakhstan that grows just fine in a cold climate, discovered more recently. Since this is a fantasy world, there's no reason why they have to wait until the 20th century to discover dandelion latex.
 
2017-07-17 06:50:06 PM  
Better question - where did Gilly learn to read?
 
2017-07-17 06:50:37 PM  

Krieghund: joepennerlives: We've learned that faces, when skinned off of people, are reusable and come off just like Halloween masks.  Maybe these Maesters learned how to skin people's hands?  Not only for the wet work, but for comely appearance and that soft, feathery touch when they go deep back into the "forbidden" archives for ... uh . . . research.

A handjob has no name.


Stranger? Whitewalker?
 
2017-07-17 07:05:24 PM  

duckpoopy: Reanimated corpses and enormous dragons are fine, but rubber gloves stretch your suspension of disbelief?


For me it was the Hound digging a grave when the ground was frozen.
 
2017-07-17 07:10:18 PM  

bark_atda_moon: duckpoopy: Reanimated corpses and enormous dragons are fine, but rubber gloves stretch your suspension of disbelief?

For me it was the Hound digging a grave when the ground was frozen.


they lost me when the gates of dragonstone just opened with barely a push
 
2017-07-17 07:12:53 PM  

Dead for Tax Reasons: bark_atda_moon: duckpoopy: Reanimated corpses and enormous dragons are fine, but rubber gloves stretch your suspension of disbelief?

For me it was the Hound digging a grave when the ground was frozen.

they lost me when the gates of dragonstone just opened with barely a push


Also, what a terrible base of operations.  The island is a rock with no place to grow food or house her army.  Outside of the Iron Islands, she couldn't have made a worse choice.
 
2017-07-17 07:15:09 PM  

stoli n coke: The books contained endless screeds about boiled leather. They knew how to make a pair of farking gloves.


Just to add to this. In real history, leatherworking goes back to 5000 BC

Leather doesn't always have to be hard and stiff. Goatskin gets used to make winebags, etc so nobody should be surprised that someone could make water resistant gloves out of leather.

In GOT, they're well into the metalworking age,
img.fark.net
So yeah, you're damn right they know how to make a pair of farking leather gloves :^D
 
2017-07-17 07:17:59 PM  

bark_atda_moon: duckpoopy: Reanimated corpses and enormous dragons are fine, but rubber gloves stretch your suspension of disbelief?

For me it was the Hound digging a grave when the ground was frozen.


He's the motherfarkin Hound, that's why.
 
2017-07-17 07:33:13 PM  
The dialogue was complete shiate, I just thought you should all know that
 
2017-07-17 07:37:36 PM  

bark_atda_moon: Dead for Tax Reasons: bark_atda_moon: duckpoopy: Reanimated corpses and enormous dragons are fine, but rubber gloves stretch your suspension of disbelief?

For me it was the Hound digging a grave when the ground was frozen.

they lost me when the gates of dragonstone just opened with barely a push

Also, what a terrible base of operations.  The island is a rock with no place to grow food or house her army.  Outside of the Iron Islands, she couldn't have made a worse choice.


But it is an excellent place from which to threaten King's Landing. As well as the considerations of being the historic seat of Targaryon power can be important for symbolic purposes.

And an apparently unoccupied castle. They can send out virtually their entire army and not be threatened.

They also probably believed they have naval supremacy when they decided to go there. They may not have been aware or Euron attempting to ally with Cersei.
 
2017-07-17 07:41:21 PM  

bark_atda_moon: Dead for Tax Reasons: bark_atda_moon: duckpoopy: Reanimated corpses and enormous dragons are fine, but rubber gloves stretch your suspension of disbelief?

For me it was the Hound digging a grave when the ground was frozen.

they lost me when the gates of dragonstone just opened with barely a push

Also, what a terrible base of operations.  The island is a rock with no place to grow food or house her army.  Outside of the Iron Islands, she couldn't have made a worse choice.


It worked out terribly for Aegon the Conquorer...
 
2017-07-17 07:41:22 PM  
"Tell them the North remembers."  -  A. Stark
 
2017-07-17 07:43:02 PM  

gopher321: Better question - where did Gilly learn to read?


Is she a wizard? (yeah, I noticed that too)
 
2017-07-17 07:52:28 PM  
jesus christ almighty three threads 8n four greenlights?  f#ck man i don't care about anything as much as some people care about this retarded show
 
2017-07-17 08:12:06 PM  

gopher321: Better question - where did Gilly learn to read?


wasn't shireen teaching her last season?
 
2017-07-17 08:17:41 PM  

joepennerlives: We've learned that faces, when skinned off of people, are reusable and come off just like Halloween masks.  Maybe these Maesters learned how to skin people's hands?  Not only for the wet work, but for comely appearance and that soft, feathery touch when they go deep back into the "forbidden" archives for ... uh . . . research.


Arya is using the magic of the Many Faced God to make the skinned faces change her into their form. She's not just wearing it like a pint sized Hannibal Lecter.

Which begs the question of if magic is so relatively simple to conjure and teach to others, how did magic ever become forgotten in their world in the first place? Anyone who wants to use it seems to figure it out pretty easily. Even that creepy guy in Cersei's basement was able to use it to make an uber zombie. Magic obviously didn't go anywhere apparently, the whole world seems to have just mutually decided to pretend it did.
 
2017-07-17 08:22:24 PM  
Since we're talking about suspension of disbelief. How did Arya survive getting stabbed multiple times and having the knife twisted in her gut? I can't remember, was the woman who nursed her back to health a witch or something?
 
2017-07-17 08:26:42 PM  

Esroc: joepennerlives: We've learned that faces, when skinned off of people, are reusable and come off just like Halloween masks.  Maybe these Maesters learned how to skin people's hands?  Not only for the wet work, but for comely appearance and that soft, feathery touch when they go deep back into the "forbidden" archives for ... uh . . . research.

Arya is using the magic of the Many Faced God to make the skinned faces change her into their form. She's not just wearing it like a pint sized Hannibal Lecter.

Which begs the question of if magic is so relatively simple to conjure and teach to others, how did magic ever become forgotten in their world in the first place? Anyone who wants to use it seems to figure it out pretty easily. Even that creepy guy in Cersei's basement was able to use it to make an uber zombie. Magic obviously didn't go anywhere apparently, the whole world seems to have just mutually decided to pretend it did.


Supposedly the dragons dying off also killed off the magic, but both of those things might be related to something as yet unseen causing magic to ebb in Westeros to the point that most people regarded it mostly as a fairy tale, with only the truly adept able to master it. Now, something has happened that has caused the magic to come back with a vengeance, so it is now a lot easier for someone like Arya to pick up things like making and wearing faces, just as it was easier for the Maesters of King's Landing to make Wildfire all of a sudden in season 2.
 
2017-07-17 08:27:18 PM  

farkingismybusiness: Since we're talking about suspension of disbelief. How did Arya survive getting stabbed multiple times and having the knife twisted in her gut? I can't remember, was the woman who nursed her back to health a witch or something?


Bad writing. But if you did want to explain it away you could say she's under the protection of one of the Gods. It's been implied since almost day one that Rhllor is playing it's own game against The Other and most of the shows characters are pieces it's moving around to counteract The Other's machinations. Light versus Darkness and all that.
 
2017-07-17 08:28:57 PM  

Mad_Radhu: Esroc: joepennerlives: We've learned that faces, when skinned off of people, are reusable and come off just like Halloween masks.  Maybe these Maesters learned how to skin people's hands?  Not only for the wet work, but for comely appearance and that soft, feathery touch when they go deep back into the "forbidden" archives for ... uh . . . research.

Arya is using the magic of the Many Faced God to make the skinned faces change her into their form. She's not just wearing it like a pint sized Hannibal Lecter.

Which begs the question of if magic is so relatively simple to conjure and teach to others, how did magic ever become forgotten in their world in the first place? Anyone who wants to use it seems to figure it out pretty easily. Even that creepy guy in Cersei's basement was able to use it to make an uber zombie. Magic obviously didn't go anywhere apparently, the whole world seems to have just mutually decided to pretend it did.

Supposedly the dragons dying off also killed off the magic, but both of those things might be related to something as yet unseen causing magic to ebb in Westeros to the point that most people regarded it mostly as a fairy tale, with only the truly adept able to master it. Now, something has happened that has caused the magic to come back with a vengeance, so it is now a lot easier for someone like Arya to pick up things like making and wearing faces, just as it was easier for the Maesters of King's Landing to make Wildfire all of a sudden in season 2.


Fair enough. I had forgotten that the Dragons and/or the red comet signaled the return of magic to the world.
 
2017-07-17 08:32:02 PM  

Esroc: joepennerlives: We've learned that faces, when skinned off of people, are reusable and come off just like Halloween masks.  Maybe these Maesters learned how to skin people's hands?  Not only for the wet work, but for comely appearance and that soft, feathery touch when they go deep back into the "forbidden" archives for ... uh . . . research.

Arya is using the magic of the Many Faced God to make the skinned faces change her into their form. She's not just wearing it like a pint sized Hannibal Lecter.

Which begs the question of if magic is so relatively simple to conjure and teach to others, how did magic ever become forgotten in their world in the first place? Anyone who wants to use it seems to figure it out pretty easily. Even that creepy guy in Cersei's basement was able to use it to make an uber zombie. Magic obviously didn't go anywhere apparently, the whole world seems to have just mutually decided to pretend it did.


Qyburn is a former apprentice maester or former maester who was kickes out of the order.  Hes studied long and hard.  I wouldnt discount the depth amd difficulty of training Arya went thru either.
 
2017-07-17 08:32:46 PM  

farkingismybusiness: Since we're talking about suspension of disbelief. How did Arya survive getting stabbed multiple times and having the knife twisted in her gut? I can't remember, was the woman who nursed her back to health a witch or something?


No but, she played one on stage.
 
2017-07-17 08:42:26 PM  

AquaTatanka: Esroc: joepennerlives: We've learned that faces, when skinned off of people, are reusable and come off just like Halloween masks.  Maybe these Maesters learned how to skin people's hands?  Not only for the wet work, but for comely appearance and that soft, feathery touch when they go deep back into the "forbidden" archives for ... uh . . . research.

Arya is using the magic of the Many Faced God to make the skinned faces change her into their form. She's not just wearing it like a pint sized Hannibal Lecter.

Which begs the question of if magic is so relatively simple to conjure and teach to others, how did magic ever become forgotten in their world in the first place? Anyone who wants to use it seems to figure it out pretty easily. Even that creepy guy in Cersei's basement was able to use it to make an uber zombie. Magic obviously didn't go anywhere apparently, the whole world seems to have just mutually decided to pretend it did.

Qyburn is a former apprentice maester or former maester who was kickes out of the order.  Hes studied long and hard.  I wouldnt discount the depth amd difficulty of training Arya went thru either.


qyburn i see more of a dr frankenstein or alchemist than magician.  he has extensive practical knowledge from 'research' on cadavers and those still living.  that research is what caused the citadel to reposes his chain
 
2017-07-17 08:46:15 PM  

Dead for Tax Reasons: gopher321: Better question - where did Gilly learn to read?

wasn't shireen teaching her last season?


Also, she was on a long boat ride with Sam.  It's not too much of a stretch to think he might have helped her learn to read on the journey, though it was never shown.
 
2017-07-17 08:58:08 PM  

Lord of the Highway: Dead for Tax Reasons: gopher321: Better question - where did Gilly learn to read?

wasn't shireen teaching her last season?

Also, she was on a long boat ride with Sam.  It's not too much of a stretch to think he might have helped her learn to read on the journey, though it was never shown.


sam was too busy puking, but gilly does say she had learned to read

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2017-07-17 09:15:17 PM  
Esroc: Arya is using the magic of the Many Faced God to make the skinned faces change her into their form. She's not just wearing it like a pint sized Hannibal Lecter.

It's magic by proxy. She's not actually doing the magic, the many faced god is, and he could have worked his magic through anyone he wanted, even untrained individuals.
 We're also all seeing this as 3rd parties with a window into things that other folks aren't seeing, and what we're not seeing is the overall mundane life that tens of thousands of non-character people are living.


// and for those rare few non-characters who are lucky enough to see magic in their lifetime ... very often they die shortly after seeing said magic.
 
2017-07-17 10:01:49 PM  

Cagey B: I did not expect "extended bedpan montage" to be part of the episode.


If you sync up "Dark Side of the Moon" with the opening credits, the cash registers in "Money" match up with Sam's chamber pot clanking and gagging.
 
2017-07-17 11:11:25 PM  

Esroc: farkingismybusiness: Since we're talking about suspension of disbelief. How did Arya survive getting stabbed multiple times and having the knife twisted in her gut? I can't remember, was the woman who nursed her back to health a witch or something?

Bad writing. But if you did want to explain it away you could say she's under the protection of one of the Gods. It's been implied since almost day one that Rhllor is playing it's own game against The Other and most of the shows characters are pieces it's moving around to counteract The Other's machinations. Light versus Darkness and all that.


You Lost me.
 
2017-07-18 12:10:02 AM  

gopher321: Better question - where did Gilly learn to read?


IIRC, in the books Sam started teaching her on the boat after they left Castle Black.

Either way, they've had a significant amount of time together at this point. It's pretty reasonable that Sam taught her the basics.
 
2017-07-18 06:58:45 AM  
Why are there rubber gloves in this world?

The plot needs them...


As you were..
 
2017-07-18 07:53:34 AM  

duckpoopy: Reanimated corpses and enormous dragons are fine, but rubber gloves stretch your suspension of disbelief?


Those kinds of arguments always irritate me. A fictionnal world has to be consistent. It has to abide by rules. Just because you put dragons in a story, does not mean that suddenly, anything goes. So yeah, rubber gloves in a universe based on medieval society, really do stretch suspension of disbelief.

I mean, could you imagine having an Xbox in Star Wars, or a machine gun in Conan the Barbarian ? By your logic, this should not bother us.
 
2017-07-18 08:45:33 AM  

Esroc: Fair enough. I had forgotten that the Dragons and/or the red comet signaled the return of magic to the world.


Hmm, now maybe magic in the word is created/controlled by the presence of a short(ish) cycle comet. The nearer the comet, the stronger the magic, but also, the worse the weather.

Which would explain why the dragons got weaker over the Targaryens reign eventually dying out, and why the dragon eggs were now able to hatch.

Or maybe magic is just temperature affected.  Which my explain why the North appears to have been much more mystical than the rest of the world, its colder on average in the north, so magic continued to work, even on a low level, for longer, hence things like the weirwoods.

It could be that the White Walkers are essentially the cold weather equivalent of Dengue fever moving northwards into the US as global average temperatures go up.
 
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