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2017-07-17 09:06:30 AM  

gar1013: Nidiot: cpubus: "Don't back me into a corner," his father remembers Austin saying. "Because I'll make it go away in four seconds."
To Russell Reeves, the meaning was clear - Austin would hurt himself if he wasn't left in peace. Stunned and afraid, Reeves dialed the Hingham police just after 10 p.m. to ask for help.

So the meaning was clear... yet he calls the police.

In the hall upstairs, Austin's mother spoke to him through his locked bedroom door. "Whatever's happening," Kate Harrison says she called to her son, "I love you, and we can work it out."

Then immediately start pestering him.
I get the feeling they never actually leave him the fark alone

Yeah. Thanks Mom and Dad, you sure handled that well. Of course you wont see how you contributed to the death of your own son there at all.

Seems like you are letting the ex-girlfriend off the hook.

She's really to blame because she's the one who called the police in the first place.

Maybe if she had simply let him get on with life, rather than trying to make herself feel better through maintaining contact (and essentially ripping his scabs off) this wouldn't have happened.


No one seems to be terribly clear on who, or how many people called for the police, which is fair enough, the article was an epic that was longer than War and Peace.

I blame everyone who called the police instead of letting the poor dude just chill out a bit on his own like he asked.

The police just did what they usually do. Don't call them unless you want something or someone shot.
 
2017-07-17 09:07:07 AM  

Schmerd1948: you, sir, are an idiot. A heartless idiot. It was the girlfriend who called the suicide hotline. They called the police. The mom went up to tell the boy she loved him. Does any of that sound like the parents MURDERED the son and DESERVE to blah blah blah.?
Idiot.


Read it again.  The FATHER called the police to come help.

"To Russell Reeves, the meaning was clear - Austin would hurt himself if he wasn't left in peace. Stunned and afraid, Reeves dialed the Hingham police just after 10 p.m. to ask for help."

The kid had asked multiple times for them to just leave him the fark alone, but the dumbasses couldn't get that through their thick skulls.
 
2017-07-17 09:10:48 AM  

Unoriginal_Username: cman: Lesson learned: Don't call the cops for a suicidal person

The problem is, if you call the suicide hotline, they will call the cops.
Happened to friends of mine when their daughter called.
It didn't end like this thankfully.


Do they want people to stop calling suicide hotlines?  Because that is exactly how you get people to stop calling suicide hotlines.
 
2017-07-17 09:11:30 AM  

cpubus: "Don't back me into a corner," his father remembers Austin saying. "Because I'll make it go away in four seconds."
To Russell Reeves, the meaning was clear - Austin would hurt himself if he wasn't left in peace. Stunned and afraid, Reeves dialed the Hingham police just after 10 p.m. to ask for help.

So the meaning was clear... yet he calls the police.

In the hall upstairs, Austin's mother spoke to him through his locked bedroom door. "Whatever's happening," Kate Harrison says she called to her son, "I love you, and we can work it out."

Then immediately start pestering him.
I get the feeling they never actually leave him the fark alone


"we love you son, so we called the cops on you."

I'm sure that brightened his mood.
 
2017-07-17 09:13:03 AM  

tukatz: casual disregard: What is the primary purpose of police? Beyond paperwork and investigations, it's not protecting the public. No, the primary purpose of the police is to neutralize threats. Insofar as the police are concerned, and the people who voted in a police force with that modus operandi, it can only be seen as mission accomplished.

If you own guns the police will kill you if they perceive you as a threat. If you are having a mental breakdown the police will kill you if they perceive you as a threat. If you are nonwhite the police will kill you if they perceive you as a threat (if you won't listen to me, at least give Chris Rock a chance, might just save your life). Heck sometimes they even shoot white people, but they try to keep it out of the news (offer may not be valid in Zimbabwe).

How "duh" can we get on this? How many more times do we have to see a police killing before we simply accept it not only as reality but as the political will of the democratic republican populace? I'd bet a dollar at the casino that this victim's parents voted for the very politicians that enabled this sort of environment to emerge. But not more than a dollar. I dislike games of chance even when rigged in my favor.

It's all about perception.

You're right.  It IS all about perception.  Like yours is apparently warped by your personal hatred of law enforcement.   Not everyone feels that way.  In fact, many people see the ever growing violence and crime and are afraid.  They also know that the police have a more violent and rebellious society to deal with.  And that they aren't paid to die over someone's inability to follow commands or lack of control.


What "ever growing violence and crime"?
 
2017-07-17 09:13:53 AM  

Nidiot: I blame everyone who called the police instead of letting the poor dude just chill out a bit on his own like he asked. The police just did what they usually do. Don't call them unless you want something or someone shot.


Bears repeating. More and more, the police are a path to escalation, not safety.
 
2017-07-17 09:15:40 AM  

his name is my name too: lucksi: his name is my name too: lucksi: cman: lucksi: i always enjoy reading how such things are handled in second/third world countries. Makes me appreciate our police force more

Deutschland uber alles

Are you an expat living there, or are you native?

it's funny how you people know such things, yet elect a leader running on that platform

uh no... we people didn't, we people elected Hillary by 3 million more votes than the derp brigade.  The EC abdicated their duty and elected the demagogue which is outside of the people's control.

yeah, it's not like you have historical precedent that some peoples vote only count for 3 fifth...

I don't know how to break this to you, this is 2017 not 1955.  You might want to update your calendar.


your answer is funny considering the Deutschland über alles was just used to try to discredit my statement. now who needs to update their calendar?
 
2017-07-17 09:18:00 AM  

Nidiot: doglover: cman: Lesson learned: Don't call the cops for a suicidal person

Or ever, really.

The only reason you should call the police is to kill negros. That's not what police are supposed to be, just what they've become. If you need negros murdered, call the police. If you need ANYTHING else, call someone else.

Also if you are black , or even have a heavy tan, and the police show up... GET THE HELL OUTTA THERE!

They just shot an unarmed blonde white Australian woman in Minneapolis, after she called them for help http://www.startribune.com/woman-killed-in-officer-involved-shoot​ing-in-south-minneapolis/434782213/#1 so you have to update that advice. Skin tone is now irrelevant.

Don't call the police unless you want someone shot.


WTF!?!?!?!?!?

Seriously, WTF!?!?!?!?!?!?

We have problems in this country.
 
2017-07-17 09:20:14 AM  

Nidiot: doglover: cman: Lesson learned: Don't call the cops for a suicidal person

Or ever, really.

The only reason you should call the police is to kill negros. That's not what police are supposed to be, just what they've become. If you need negros murdered, call the police. If you need ANYTHING else, call someone else.

Also if you are black , or even have a heavy tan, and the police show up... GET THE HELL OUTTA THERE!

They just shot an unarmed blonde white Australian woman in Minneapolis, after she called them for help http://www.startribune.com/woman-killed-in-officer-involved-shoot​ing-in-south-minneapolis/434782213/#1 so you have to update that advice. Skin tone is now irrelevant.

Don't call the police unless you want someone shot.


I hate to say this, but that is exactly what needs to keep happening. It's not going to get fixed until it really affects white people. It already is but the national media is, once again, terrible at their jobs. So it needs to happen more because people are collectively stupid and won't seen to change things until they themselves are hurt by it.
 
2017-07-17 09:21:12 AM  

tukatz: You're right.  It IS all about perception.  Like yours is apparently warped by your personal hatred of law enforcement.   Not everyone feels that way.  In fact, many people see the ever growing violence and crime and are afraid.  They also know that the police have a more violent and rebellious society to deal with.  And that they aren't paid to die over someone's inability to follow commands or lack of control.


Yet, statistically, we're in one of the safest, lowest-crime periods in American history. But do go on about the Boogeyman they keep harping on about on Fox News.
 
2017-07-17 09:23:18 AM  

webron: Ker_Thwap: Schmerd1948: Ker_Thwap: My first thought would be to call a suicide prevention hotline, unless of course I suspected that my child with the gun was likely to take out a few other people including myself, neighbors, ex girlfriends, etc.; at which point the responsible thing would be to call the police.

  So, the parents are fearful for their own lives, and the police aren't allowed to be fearful for their own lives and take precautions like wearing body armor?  The parents just expected a Hollywood ending where a kindly old police officer takes off the vest, risks his/her own life and smoothly says the perfect words, that perfectly penetrate the angst of the would be suicide.

The guy shot himself, there's very little the police could have done to prevent that.  No one else got shot, that's a positive outcome.

They armored vehicle was a nice touch. And the multiple town-forces.
You really don't think they over-reacted?

My then wife passed out and thumped to the floor one night.  I called 911.  Within 10 minutes there were 30 local volunteer firemen cluttering up my house, clogging the parking spaces, so that by the time the ambulance arrived, it had no where to park.  ¯\_(ツ)_/¯   Responders get bored.  At worst, it was a giant waste of funding.

So, yes.  You're right, it does seem to be an over-reaction.  Better than an under-reaction, where innocents got killed as well.  Did the over-reaction directly lead to the suicide? Dubious.  There was a massive life long chain of events that led to the suicide.  It's a complex issue, and it's a bit insensitive to pretend it's a single issue concern that can be solved with a snap of the fingers and a few magic words in every case.

Seriously, you don't think that being surrounded by an army has any effect on this guy pulling the trigger?  That is shockingly naive.


It might have.  It might have kept him alive for an extra ten minutes while he checked out the cool tank.

They guy had 26 years of life, of causal events that led up to his suicide.  It's kind of silly to imagine that only the events in the last hours of his life were what caused him to pull the trigger.  Talk about shockingly naive.
 
2017-07-17 09:23:47 AM  
"Don't ever invite a vampire police officer into your house, you silly boy.  It renders you powerless."
 
2017-07-17 09:25:15 AM  
Deal with it yourself, never call the cops.
 
2017-07-17 09:25:50 AM  

Ketchuponsteak: cpubus: "Don't back me into a corner," his father remembers Austin saying. "Because I'll make it go away in four seconds."
To Russell Reeves, the meaning was clear - Austin would hurt himself if he wasn't left in peace. Stunned and afraid, Reeves dialed the Hingham police just after 10 p.m. to ask for help.

So the meaning was clear... yet he calls the police.

In the hall upstairs, Austin's mother spoke to him through his locked bedroom door. "Whatever's happening," Kate Harrison says she called to her son, "I love you, and we can work it out."

Then immediately start pestering him.
I get the feeling they never actually leave him the fark alone

"we love you son, so we called the cops on you."

I'm sure that brightened his mood.


Speaking as a parent of kids this age, I fully understand the father's actions. Frankly, he's in a "damned if you do, damned if you don't" situation. If he does NOT call and the situation escalates, there may be more than one body, since he knows the kid is armed. If he's the survivor, he still gets to play "what if?" for the rest of his life.

But the police's response was gasoline on a fire. The problem with how most SWAT situations are handle, is the super show of force. It's using a sledgehammer when you need a fly swatter.
 
2017-07-17 09:26:01 AM  
The cops are always looking for a good excuse to play with their toys and put on a big show. Doesn't matter to them if someone dies since there are never any repercussions to their actions.
 
2017-07-17 09:26:42 AM  
I look upon the police as I do bears, sharks and hornets.

An essential part of the ecosystem perhaps, but best if you go out of your way to avoid dealing with them if possible.  That is obeying traffic laws, ensuring you have no illegal items in your vehicle etc.  However, if you still end up get stopped or in involved in a collision just be polite to let the officer have his little power trip and argue your case in traffic court.

Unfortunately, sometimes calling the cops for this particular case was like inviting bears to your picnic.
 
2017-07-17 09:28:47 AM  
Is this the thread where we hate cops, or the thread where only cops should have guns?

We need a bit of column A bad column B me thinks.

Prayers to the family.
 
2017-07-17 09:29:29 AM  

lucksi: i always enjoy reading how such things are handled in second/third world countries. Makes me appreciate our police force more


Super smart guy! You should know how countries are designated as first,.second, and third world! Because your fathers thought it was a good idea to eradicate an entire race of people! Has enough time gone by that your collective guilt and bare sense of national pride allows you to sit on your shiatter, inspect your feces ad nauseum, and thumb your nose at the prospect that the United States is better at being jack booted thugs than the brownshirts ever were?
 
2017-07-17 09:30:03 AM  
If you give them toys, they'll want to play with them.

img.fark.net
 
2017-07-17 09:30:49 AM  

Ker_Thwap: webron: Ker_Thwap: Schmerd1948: Ker_Thwap: My first thought would be to call a suicide prevention hotline, unless of course I suspected that my child with the gun was likely to take out a few other people including myself, neighbors, ex girlfriends, etc.; at which point the responsible thing would be to call the police.

  So, the parents are fearful for their own lives, and the police aren't allowed to be fearful for their own lives and take precautions like wearing body armor?  The parents just expected a Hollywood ending where a kindly old police officer takes off the vest, risks his/her own life and smoothly says the perfect words, that perfectly penetrate the angst of the would be suicide.

The guy shot himself, there's very little the police could have done to prevent that.  No one else got shot, that's a positive outcome.

They armored vehicle was a nice touch. And the multiple town-forces.
You really don't think they over-reacted?

My then wife passed out and thumped to the floor one night.  I called 911.  Within 10 minutes there were 30 local volunteer firemen cluttering up my house, clogging the parking spaces, so that by the time the ambulance arrived, it had no where to park.  ¯\_(ツ)_/¯   Responders get bored.  At worst, it was a giant waste of funding.

So, yes.  You're right, it does seem to be an over-reaction.  Better than an under-reaction, where innocents got killed as well.  Did the over-reaction directly lead to the suicide? Dubious.  There was a massive life long chain of events that led to the suicide.  It's a complex issue, and it's a bit insensitive to pretend it's a single issue concern that can be solved with a snap of the fingers and a few magic words in every case.

Seriously, you don't think that being surrounded by an army has any effect on this guy pulling the trigger?  That is shockingly naive.

It might have.  It might have kept him alive for an extra ten minutes while he checked out the cool tank.

They guy had 26 years of life, of ...


FTFA: "... carpe diem, seize the day - was tattooed in artful letters on his chest. His dog, Faith..." - Yeah, there definitely was some build up to this.
But a police seige ist not the best course of action for a person threatening suicide.
 
2017-07-17 09:30:56 AM  
Candy-gram for Mongeau?
 
2017-07-17 09:36:02 AM  

Another Government Employee: But the police's response was gasoline on a fire. The problem with how most SWAT situations are handle, is the super show of force. It's using a sledgehammer when you need a fly swatter.


Remember when SWAT ("Special Weapons and Tactics") were called in only in situations where typical police tactics weren't enough, like with heavily armed & armored criminals or active terror situations? Yeah. Now, most of what they do is provide "shock and awe" breaches for search warrants, because, hey, why give them all those toys if they can't use 'em, right?

You wanted a security blanket of force, to save you from the scary people. Problem is, your idea of "scary people" went from "domestic terrorist cells" to "pot users", from "heavily armed bank robbers" to "non-white people," and SWAT became the standard instead of the outlier. So, SWAT teams do house breaches on grandmothers now, and you feel comforted because the "War on Drugs" now has foot soldiers.
 
2017-07-17 09:36:11 AM  

Claude Ballse: I dunno. I had a former boss who was going through a tough time with a dying father,a stolen bike, and a nasty break-up who ended up having one of these wellness checks initiated on him. The police came out, spoke with him, and did seize his guns for his own "protection".

Now he was rather embarrassed about the whole situation. Both with how his neighbors now perceived the guy who had all those cop cars show up at his house, let alone how he might be perceived at work.

But you know what? The whole thing went down without incident. He wasnt raised as a spoiled brat who always got his way through threats of self-harm.


I'm betting he was also as white as a sheet, amirite?
 
2017-07-17 09:38:17 AM  

Guairdean: If you give them toys, they'll want to play with them.

[img.fark.net image 824x822]


Thanks Adama!
 
2017-07-17 09:38:32 AM  

Nidiot: doglover: cman: Lesson learned: Don't call the cops for a suicidal person

Or ever, really.

The only reason you should call the police is to kill negros. That's not what police are supposed to be, just what they've become. If you need negros murdered, call the police. If you need ANYTHING else, call someone else.

Also if you are black , or even have a heavy tan, and the police show up... GET THE HELL OUTTA THERE!

They just shot an unarmed blonde white Australian woman in Minneapolis, after she called them for help http://www.startribune.com/woman-killed-in-officer-involved-shoot​ing-in-south-minneapolis/434782213/#1 so you have to update that advice. Skin tone is now irrelevant.

Don't call the police unless you want someone shot.


"Damond, in her pajamas, went to the driver's side door and was talking to the driver. The officer in the passenger seat pulled his gun and shot Damond through the driver's side door, sources said."

img.fark.net
 
2017-07-17 09:38:38 AM  

cman: Keyser_Soze_Death: cman: Lesson learned: Don't call the cops for a suicidal person

Fixed.

If someone was trying to break into my place, I'm gonna call the cops. They do have their uses even tho many of them can be assholes.


But don't have a dog. They will shoot the dog.
 
2017-07-17 09:40:22 AM  

Shadow Blasko: Nevercall the cops if worried about someone's mental health.

Just don't.


So who do you call?  Social services?  Guess what, potentially suicidal person with a firearm?  Social services is going to call the police.  As they should.  What if this guy had decided to kill his parents before killing himself?  Or his ex-girlfriend?

Now, none of this is to say that the police response in this case was proper.  It was horribly handled.

But at the same time, assuming that people with mental challenges and firearms will always be safe on their own is horribly misguided, too.
 
2017-07-17 09:42:48 AM  
 
2017-07-17 09:43:12 AM  

LordJiro: America's police system is broken. Many (if not most) cops have absolutely no idea how to deescalate a situation, and those that do often get reprimanded for talking people down instead of gunning down the "threat". And our legal system has repeatedly told police that if they even feel a twinge of 'fear', they're completely justified in killing someone, no matter how little of a threat was posed, or how cooperative the victim was.

The entire system needs to be rebuilt from the ground up.


Police have been disciplined for not shooting to kill. Fact.
 
2017-07-17 09:43:12 AM  

lucksi: his name is my name too: lucksi: cman: lucksi: i always enjoy reading how such things are handled in second/third world countries. Makes me appreciate our police force more

Deutschland uber alles

Are you an expat living there, or are you native?

it's funny how you people know such things, yet elect a leader running on that platform

uh no... we people didn't, we people elected Hillary by 3 million more votes than the derp brigade.  The EC abdicated their duty and elected the demagogue which is outside of the people's control.

yeah, it's not like you have historical precedent that some peoples vote only count for 3 fifth...


Luckily for you, Germany has a completely clean historical record, so you are free to judge.
 
2017-07-17 09:45:55 AM  

bisi: FTFA: "... carpe diem, seize the day - was tattooed in artful letters on his chest. His dog, Faith..." - Yeah, there definitely was some build up to this.
But a police seige ist not the best course of action for a person threatening suicide.


I've already granted that calling in a tank and multiple SWAT teams was an over-reaction.  We, of course have no idea what the guy said to the first responders.

I agree that a police siege is not the best course for a "reasonable" person threatening suicide.  Wait, what?

We weren't there.  There was an unstable person threatening suicide with a loaded gun.  What is the proper response in that situation?  Would you walk into that room, unarmed and unarmored, and try to talk him down?   Just walk away and let him sleep it off, allowing him to keep his gun, and potentially murder his ex girlfriend the next day?  Maybe they keep a bunch of disposable cops on store in your hometown?  Yeah, send in Officer Fred, he's old and has damned little to live for these days.

It then just become a matter of scale.  Two armored officers would have been fine, but three would have been bad?  How about an even dozen, if by chance the guy talked about taking others with him?  So, yes, at some point it's a bad look for the local PD when they call in a friggin tank.  But let's not pretend that the over cautious response is what killed the guy.
 
2017-07-17 09:45:57 AM  

orangehat: lucksi: his name is my name too: lucksi: cman: lucksi: i always enjoy reading how such things are handled in second/third world countries. Makes me appreciate our police force more

Deutschland uber alles

Are you an expat living there, or are you native?

it's funny how you people know such things, yet elect a leader running on that platform

uh no... we people didn't, we people elected Hillary by 3 million more votes than the derp brigade.  The EC abdicated their duty and elected the demagogue which is outside of the people's control.

yeah, it's not like you have historical precedent that some peoples vote only count for 3 fifth...

 And it's not like your country has a precedent for counting the voting populous as negative 6 million.


Let me guess: you're one of those banal American sh*t-heels who meets Europeans and says "Do you speak German? No? You're welcome." as if you personally stormed the beach at Normandy.

Stop trying to distract from America's enormous current shame by reflexively babbling half-remembered history from 75 years ago. In your own way, you people are every bit as embarrassing as Trump.
 
2017-07-17 09:47:05 AM  
So this cop who shot the pretty blonde Australian woman...how many years is he getting? Can we get an odds estimate going? I want to try and make some money off of this.
 
2017-07-17 09:49:34 AM  

susler: LowbrowDeluxe: That...seems like a disproportionate response regardless of the parents suggestion.

They've got all this high end military gear that they never get to use.   When the opportunity to suit up comes, they go full hog.


More importantly, an opportunity that is very low risk for them.  When the risk is high, they actually take a more cautious approach.
 
2017-07-17 09:51:02 AM  

tukatz: ...the police have a more violent and rebellious society to deal with.


Got a citation for this, beyond "pulled it out of my pants in a Fark thread"?
 
2017-07-17 09:52:53 AM  

alitaki: So this cop who shot the pretty blonde Australian woman...how many years is he getting? Can we get an odds estimate going? I want to try and make some money off of this.


I don't want to be overly optimistic, but when I read the story my first thought was, "This guy might actually serve time."

Instead he'll probably just get fired and have to do 50hours community service.
 
2017-07-17 09:54:43 AM  

his name is my name too: lucksi: cman: lucksi: i always enjoy reading how such things are handled in second/third world countries. Makes me appreciate our police force more

Deutschland uber alles

Are you an expat living there, or are you native?

it's funny how you people know such things, yet elect a leader running on that platform

uh no... we people didn't, we people elected Hillary by 3 million more votes than the derp brigade.  The EC abdicated their duty and elected the demagogue which is outside of the people's control.


What duty did they abdicate?
 
2017-07-17 09:55:53 AM  

Ker_Thwap: bisi: FTFA: "... carpe diem, seize the day - was tattooed in artful letters on his chest. His dog, Faith..." - Yeah, there definitely was some build up to this.
But a police seige ist not the best course of action for a person threatening suicide.

I've already granted that calling in a tank and multiple SWAT teams was an over-reaction.  We, of course have no idea what the guy said to the first responders.

I agree that a police siege is not the best course for a "reasonable" person threatening suicide.  Wait, what?

We weren't there.  There was an unstable person threatening suicide with a loaded gun.  What is the proper response in that situation?  Would you walk into that room, unarmed and unarmored, and try to talk him down?   Just walk away and let him sleep it off, allowing him to keep his gun, and potentially murder his ex girlfriend the next day?  Maybe they keep a bunch of disposable cops on store in your hometown?  Yeah, send in Officer Fred, he's old and has damned little to live for these days.

It then just become a matter of scale.  Two armored officers would have been fine, but three would have been bad?  How about an even dozen, if by chance the guy talked about taking others with him?  So, yes, at some point it's a bad look for the local PD when they call in a friggin tank.  But let's not pretend that the over cautious response is what killed the guy.


There is containing the person while trying  to strategically de-escalate the situation and disarm him.
And then there is going full SWAT, putting them in a corner until the pressure leads to a quick and permanent solution.
 
2017-07-17 09:57:14 AM  

TOSViolation: cpubus: "Don't back me into a corner," his father remembers Austin saying. "Because I'll make it go away in four seconds."
To Russell Reeves, the meaning was clear - Austin would hurt himself if he wasn't left in peace. Stunned and afraid, Reeves dialed the Hingham police just after 10 p.m. to ask for help.

So the meaning was clear... yet he calls the police.

In the hall upstairs, Austin's mother spoke to him through his locked bedroom door. "Whatever's happening," Kate Harrison says she called to her son, "I love you, and we can work it out."

Then immediately start pestering him.
I get the feeling they never actually leave him the fark alone

The parents basically murdered him.  He told them to just leave him the fark alone, so the farkwads call the police.  His parents DESERVE to live the rest of their lives with guilt and pain over his death that they caused.


Favorited as "tard".
Learn to read. The parents didn't call the cops.
 
2017-07-17 10:03:32 AM  

ToastmasterGeneral: Shadow Blasko: Nevercall the cops if worried about someone's mental health.

Just don't.

So who do you call?  Social services?  Guess what, potentially suicidal person with a firearm?  Social services is going to call the police.  As they should.  What if this guy had decided to kill his parents before killing himself?  Or his ex-girlfriend?

Now, none of this is to say that the police response in this case was proper.  It was horribly handled.

But at the same time, assuming that people with mental challenges and firearms will always be safe on their own is horribly misguided, too.


My, god, what if he developed psychic powers and went all Carrie and killed everyone in the neighborhood?!?
 
2017-07-17 10:06:43 AM  

Barricaded Gunman: orangehat: lucksi: his name is my name too: lucksi: cman: lucksi: i always enjoy reading how such things are handled in second/third world countries. Makes me appreciate our police force more

Deutschland uber alles

Are you an expat living there, or are you native?

it's funny how you people know such things, yet elect a leader running on that platform

uh no... we people didn't, we people elected Hillary by 3 million more votes than the derp brigade.  The EC abdicated their duty and elected the demagogue which is outside of the people's control.

yeah, it's not like you have historical precedent that some peoples vote only count for 3 fifth...

 And it's not like your country has a precedent for counting the voting populous as negative 6 million.

Let me guess: you're one of those banal American sh*t-heels who meets Europeans and says "Do you speak German? No? You're welcome." as if you personally stormed the beach at Normandy.

Stop trying to distract from America's enormous current shame by reflexively babbling half-remembered history from 75 years ago. In your own way, you people are every bit as embarrassing as Trump.


So reflexively babbling history from 75 years ago isn't a proper response to reflexively babbling history from 150 years ago?
 
2017-07-17 10:07:22 AM  
ONLY call the cops if required to do so for an insurance claim. They are not there to help.
 
2017-07-17 10:09:01 AM  

Jimmy's getting angry: TOSViolation: cpubus: "Don't back me into a corner," his father remembers Austin saying. "Because I'll make it go away in four seconds."
To Russell Reeves, the meaning was clear - Austin would hurt himself if he wasn't left in peace. Stunned and afraid, Reeves dialed the Hingham police just after 10 p.m. to ask for help.

So the meaning was clear... yet he calls the police.

In the hall upstairs, Austin's mother spoke to him through his locked bedroom door. "Whatever's happening," Kate Harrison says she called to her son, "I love you, and we can work it out."

Then immediately start pestering him.
I get the feeling they never actually leave him the fark alone

The parents basically murdered him.  He told them to just leave him the fark alone, so the farkwads call the police.  His parents DESERVE to live the rest of their lives with guilt and pain over his death that they caused.

Favorited as "tard".
Learn to read. The parents didn't call the cops.


Wrong.

FTFA: "Concerned about his state of mind, the woman called police at 9:19 p.m., asking them to check on his welfare.
Minutes later, a Hingham police officer called Russell Reeves at home to ask if Austin had a gun with him. [...]
To Russell Reeves [the father], the meaning was clear - Austin would hurt himself if he wasn't left in peace. Stunned and afraid, Reeves dialed the Hingham police just after 10 p.m. to ask for help."
 
2017-07-17 10:10:13 AM  
When you're a hammer, everyone else is a nail.
 
2017-07-17 10:12:32 AM  

alitaki: So this cop who shot the pretty blonde Australian woman...how many years is he getting? Can we get an odds estimate going? I want to try and make some money off of this.


I'd say none except the Australian government is already piling on. No way that incident gets swept under the rug like normal.
 
2017-07-17 10:13:56 AM  

VerifiedPoster: http://www.deathandtaxesmag.com/305368/police-trainer-tells-students-​t​heyll-have-great-sex-after-they-kill-someone/


Damn.  That's just being Evil for the lulz and self-satisfaction.
 
2017-07-17 10:14:31 AM  
img.fark.net
 
2017-07-17 10:15:16 AM  

TOSViolation: cpubus: "Don't back me into a corner," his father remembers Austin saying. "Because I'll make it go away in four seconds."
To Russell Reeves, the meaning was clear - Austin would hurt himself if he wasn't left in peace. Stunned and afraid, Reeves dialed the Hingham police just after 10 p.m. to ask for help.

So the meaning was clear... yet he calls the police.

In the hall upstairs, Austin's mother spoke to him through his locked bedroom door. "Whatever's happening," Kate Harrison says she called to her son, "I love you, and we can work it out."

Then immediately start pestering him.
I get the feeling they never actually leave him the fark alone

The parents basically murdered him.  He told them to just leave him the fark alone, so the farkwads call the police.  His parents DESERVE to live the rest of their lives with guilt and pain over his death that they caused.


This.

If you don't know by now that calling the cops on someone you care about has a good chance of resulting in that person's death, you're an idiot who hasn't been paying attention.

DO NOT CALL THE COPS.
 
2017-07-17 10:16:54 AM  
Hello, 911? My son has locked himself in his room, and I just want to make sure he's alright. ...Yes, very depressed. Girl troubles, you know.... Yes, he did make some vague threats...  Well, he has his 9mm pistol... No, just a pit bull... Sounds to me like he just needs to sleep it off, I just wanted to let you all know!
 
2017-07-17 10:17:47 AM  

bisi: Ker_Thwap: bisi: FTFA: "... carpe diem, seize the day - was tattooed in artful letters on his chest. His dog, Faith..." - Yeah, there definitely was some build up to this.
But a police seige ist not the best course of action for a person threatening suicide.

I've already granted that calling in a tank and multiple SWAT teams was an over-reaction.  We, of course have no idea what the guy said to the first responders.

I agree that a police siege is not the best course for a "reasonable" person threatening suicide.  Wait, what?

We weren't there.  There was an unstable person threatening suicide with a loaded gun.  What is the proper response in that situation?  Would you walk into that room, unarmed and unarmored, and try to talk him down?   Just walk away and let him sleep it off, allowing him to keep his gun, and potentially murder his ex girlfriend the next day?  Maybe they keep a bunch of disposable cops on store in your hometown?  Yeah, send in Officer Fred, he's old and has damned little to live for these days.

It then just become a matter of scale.  Two armored officers would have been fine, but three would have been bad?  How about an even dozen, if by chance the guy talked about taking others with him?  So, yes, at some point it's a bad look for the local PD when they call in a friggin tank.  But let's not pretend that the over cautious response is what killed the guy.

There is containing the person while trying  to strategically de-escalate the situation and disarm him.
And then there is going full SWAT, putting them in a corner until the pressure leads to a quick and permanent solution.


... and you pretend to know exactly how it played out?  We don't even know if the guy was aware of the full SWAT.  It might have been a kindly officer (in armor), at a safe distance, trying to strategically de-escalate the situation.  While outside the multitude of pretty lights flashed.  You make it sound like the police lined him up against a wall with a firing squad and a tank and did nothing but taunt him.

Explain exactly how you would have handled an armed unstable person with 100% certainty that everyone went home alive?  What statements would have made you relax?  What statements would have made you call for backup?  We don't know what was said, we don't know the response.  We don't know if the escalation was warranted.  If I learn more detailed information, I might just join you the outrage.  It seems counterproductive to squish the events in the article into some sort of anti cop tirade however.

As a parent of daughters, frankly, I'm just fine with the resolution.  The last thing I want is some unstable hormonal suicidal fool of an ex boyfriend with a gun wandering free.  I don't wish suicide upon anyone, and anyone even remotely considering it should please seek help.  There are far too many murder suicides, given the choice I'd greatly prefer to see a straight suicide.
 
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