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2017-07-17 08:02:19 AM  

idrow: The regional SWAT team boasts trained negotiators and military-style equipment including a bulletproof BearCat armored truck.

Oh, I wish those parents didn't call the police.  Suburban cops with access to unnecessary over-the-top military equipment is practically a guaranteed death sentence.  Parents had to learn the hard way that cops are not there to help and should only be called as a last result.

Anyone read Twilight Eyes by Dean Koontz?  This scene reminds me of how the goblins in human skin would all show up and gather in numbers to witness when death was about to happen.  All those cops showing up to see the show remind me of that.

/That was a very sad read
//I'm sure the cops are patting themselves on the back for 'resolving' the situation
///can't believe they didn't murder the dog, too


I read Twilight Eyes by Koontz. If goblins do exist, they're on the Internet. Along with the trolls. And the WH40K Dark Eldar. And the Slaneeshi minions.
 
2017-07-17 08:02:29 AM  

idrow: The regional SWAT team boasts trained negotiators and military-style equipment including a bulletproof BearCat armored truck.

Oh, I wish those parents didn't call the police.  Suburban cops with access to unnecessary over-the-top military equipment is practically a guaranteed death sentence.  Parents had to learn the hard way that cops are not there to help and should only be called as a last result.

Anyone read Twilight Eyes by Dean Koontz?  This scene reminds me of how the goblins in human skin would all show up and gather in numbers to witness when death was about to happen.  All those cops showing up to see the show remind me of that.

/That was a very sad read
//I'm sure the cops are patting themselves on the back for 'resolving' the situation
///can't believe they didn't murder the dog, too


And if it's a last resort, a lot of the time they'll show up too late to actually do anything about it. Or they'll shoot the wrong person, and/or your pets. But hey, it's OK, because they "feared for their life".
 
2017-07-17 08:03:01 AM  

Nidiot: his name is my name too: Nidiot: I read that whole piece trying to find the bit that justified why the police were even there in the first place.

There wasn't one.

one of them called for a wellness check.

A wellness check is suitable for someone who hasn't been seen alive for a while, not for someone who went to their room asking to be left alone.


never argued that point.  it's what was in the article.
 
2017-07-17 08:04:26 AM  

lucksi: his name is my name too: lucksi: cman: lucksi: i always enjoy reading how such things are handled in second/third world countries. Makes me appreciate our police force more

Deutschland uber alles

Are you an expat living there, or are you native?

it's funny how you people know such things, yet elect a leader running on that platform

uh no... we people didn't, we people elected Hillary by 3 million more votes than the derp brigade.  The EC abdicated their duty and elected the demagogue which is outside of the people's control.

yeah, it's not like you have historical precedent that some peoples vote only count for 3 fifth...


I don't know how to break this to you, this is 2017 not 1955.  You might want to update your calendar.
 
2017-07-17 08:05:03 AM  

doglover: Nidiot: Skin tone is now irrelevant.

Well fark.

They can't even not shoot blonde chicks!?!?!

I take it back. ONLY CALL THE POLICE IN AMERICA IF YOU WANT TO DIE. THEY WILL F*CK AND OR KILL YOU.

911? More like 187.


Even if they have decided all citizens simply exist as target practice, they need to consider where they are when the go all shooty shooty bang bang. This cop probably made himself and his partner deaf, at least temporarily: "Damond, in her pajamas, went to the driver's side door and was talking to the driver. The officer in the passenger seat pulled his gun and shot Damond through the driver's side door, sources said."
 
2017-07-17 08:06:10 AM  

vudukungfu: Want someone dead? Call the cops to check on them.
Pig be all like " let's kill this mofo cause we can"


They're already willing to die, so it's like a freebie.
 
2017-07-17 08:09:26 AM  

Nidiot: Even if they have decided all citizens simply exist as target practice, they need to consider where they are when the go all shooty shooty bang bang. This cop probably made himself and his partner deaf,

www.quickmeme.com
 
2017-07-17 08:12:19 AM  

doglover: cman: Lesson learned: Don't call the cops for a suicidal person

Or ever, really.

The only reason you should call the police is to kill negros. That's not what police are supposed to be, just what they've become. If you need negros murdered, call the police. If you need ANYTHING else, call someone else.

Also if you are black , or even have a heavy tan, and the police show up... GET THE HELL OUTTA THERE!


Or if you're a hot, Australian, white female yoga instructor calling to report a possible assault...

http://www.rawstory.com/2017/07/minnesota-cops-fatally-shoot-yoga-tea​c​her-who-called-911-to-report-assault/
 
2017-07-17 08:12:53 AM  

lucksi: i always enjoy reading how such things are handled in second/third world countries. Makes me appreciate our police force more


 By our police force are you referring to the Gestapo or the Stasi?
 
2017-07-17 08:14:19 AM  

lucksi: cman: lucksi: i always enjoy reading how such things are handled in second/third world countries. Makes me appreciate our police force more

Deutschland uber alles

Are you an expat living there, or are you native?

it's funny how you people know such things, yet elect a leader running on that platform


 Your grandparents did it.
 
2017-07-17 08:14:54 AM  
DAMN IT!

Never NOT read the entire thread before posting. Apologies for the duplication of comment effort.
 
2017-07-17 08:15:49 AM  

his name is my name too: Nidiot: his name is my name too: Nidiot: I read that whole piece trying to find the bit that justified why the police were even there in the first place.

There wasn't one.

one of them called for a wellness check.

A wellness check is suitable for someone who hasn't been seen alive for a while, not for someone who went to their room asking to be left alone.

never argued that point.  it's what was in the article.


Fair point. It was still a mistake to call for that, I hope they know not to do it again.
 
2017-07-17 08:16:25 AM  
It says his ex-girlfriend called the cops for a welfare check, not his parents.
 
2017-07-17 08:16:45 AM  

lucksi: his name is my name too: lucksi: cman: lucksi: i always enjoy reading how such things are handled in second/third world countries. Makes me appreciate our police force more

Deutschland uber alles

Are you an expat living there, or are you native?

it's funny how you people know such things, yet elect a leader running on that platform

uh no... we people didn't, we people elected Hillary by 3 million more votes than the derp brigade.  The EC abdicated their duty and elected the demagogue which is outside of the people's control.

yeah, it's not like you have historical precedent that some peoples vote only count for 3 fifth...


 And it's not like your country has a precedent for counting the voting populous as negative 6 million.
 
2017-07-17 08:17:00 AM  

Ker_Thwap: My first thought would be to call a suicide prevention hotline, unless of course I suspected that my child with the gun was likely to take out a few other people including myself, neighbors, ex girlfriends, etc.; at which point the responsible thing would be to call the police.

  So, the parents are fearful for their own lives, and the police aren't allowed to be fearful for their own lives and take precautions like wearing body armor?  The parents just expected a Hollywood ending where a kindly old police officer takes off the vest, risks his/her own life and smoothly says the perfect words, that perfectly penetrate the angst of the would be suicide.

The guy shot himself, there's very little the police could have done to prevent that.  No one else got shot, that's a positive outcome.


They armored vehicle was a nice touch. And the multiple town-forces.
You really don't think they over-reacted?
 
2017-07-17 08:17:49 AM  

Nidiot: his name is my name too: Nidiot: his name is my name too: Nidiot: I read that whole piece trying to find the bit that justified why the police were even there in the first place.

There wasn't one.

one of them called for a wellness check.

A wellness check is suitable for someone who hasn't been seen alive for a while, not for someone who went to their room asking to be left alone.

never argued that point.  it's what was in the article.

Fair point. It was still a mistake to call for that, I hope they know not to do it again.


I don't think they have any more children that need killin' so I doubt it.
 
2017-07-17 08:18:28 AM  

cman: Keyser_Soze_Death: cman: Lesson learned: Don't call the cops for a suicidal person

Fixed.

If someone was trying to break into my place, I'm gonna call the cops. They do have their uses even tho many of them can be assholes.


Why?  By the time the cops show the crook will be long gone.  Make lots of noise, turn on some lights.  If they still won't stop, get the fark out of the house.
 
2017-07-17 08:20:08 AM  

Technoir: DAMN IT!

Never NOT read the entire thread before posting. Apologies for the duplication of comment effort.


No, it's a good call.  I'm glad it was what you thought of too when you read that post.

For some reason that story has not been deemed worthy of fark's main page, and it deserves to be. We should link it as much as we can.
 
2017-07-17 08:21:26 AM  

mgshamster: It says his ex-girlfriend called the cops for a welfare check, not his parents.


Wow, she must have really hated him.
 
2017-07-17 08:30:17 AM  
What people say: "I'm so worried about someone."

What police hear: "Tactical range is open!"
 
2017-07-17 08:32:59 AM  

cman: Keyser_Soze_Death: cman: Lesson learned: Don't call the cops for a suicidal person

Fixed.

If someone was trying to break into my place, I'm gonna call the cops. They do have their uses even tho many of them can be assholes.


https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2017/07/17/bride-t​o​-be-called-911-for-help-and-was-fatally-shot-by-a-minneapolis-police-o​fficer/
 
2017-07-17 08:34:09 AM  

Schmerd1948: Ker_Thwap: My first thought would be to call a suicide prevention hotline, unless of course I suspected that my child with the gun was likely to take out a few other people including myself, neighbors, ex girlfriends, etc.; at which point the responsible thing would be to call the police.

  So, the parents are fearful for their own lives, and the police aren't allowed to be fearful for their own lives and take precautions like wearing body armor?  The parents just expected a Hollywood ending where a kindly old police officer takes off the vest, risks his/her own life and smoothly says the perfect words, that perfectly penetrate the angst of the would be suicide.

The guy shot himself, there's very little the police could have done to prevent that.  No one else got shot, that's a positive outcome.

They armored vehicle was a nice touch. And the multiple town-forces.
You really don't think they over-reacted?


My then wife passed out and thumped to the floor one night.  I called 911.  Within 10 minutes there were 30 local volunteer firemen cluttering up my house, clogging the parking spaces, so that by the time the ambulance arrived, it had no where to park.  ¯\_(ツ)_/¯   Responders get bored.  At worst, it was a giant waste of funding.

So, yes.  You're right, it does seem to be an over-reaction.  Better than an under-reaction, where innocents got killed as well.  Did the over-reaction directly lead to the suicide? Dubious.  There was a massive life long chain of events that led to the suicide.  It's a complex issue, and it's a bit insensitive to pretend it's a single issue concern that can be solved with a snap of the fingers and a few magic words in every case.
 
2017-07-17 08:35:53 AM  

cpubus: "Don't back me into a corner," his father remembers Austin saying. "Because I'll make it go away in four seconds."
To Russell Reeves, the meaning was clear - Austin would hurt himself if he wasn't left in peace. Stunned and afraid, Reeves dialed the Hingham police just after 10 p.m. to ask for help.

So the meaning was clear... yet he calls the police.

In the hall upstairs, Austin's mother spoke to him through his locked bedroom door. "Whatever's happening," Kate Harrison says she called to her son, "I love you, and we can work it out."

Then immediately start pestering him.
I get the feeling they never actually leave him the fark alone


The parents basically murdered him.  He told them to just leave him the fark alone, so the farkwads call the police.  His parents DESERVE to live the rest of their lives with guilt and pain over his death that they caused.
 
2017-07-17 08:37:42 AM  
The cops are not your friend. They are an occasional necessary evil and their unthinking, thuggish, militarism has made it so that when they aren't necessary, they are still pretty evil.
 
2017-07-17 08:38:27 AM  
Yep... don't call the cops if you want something settled... call them if you want something ended. Because they WILL end it, one way or another.

/Gods, after reading that other article, I cannot believe I moved to such a dangerous city... and people think the south is dangerous and bigoted...
//seen more snotty, self-obsessed white people up here than in 20 years living in Tennessee (not from there)...
///I just hope some sanity gets restored before good people are left with little choice but to return the favor in kind...
 
2017-07-17 08:42:51 AM  
Your kid has mental problems, snaps without warning, indicates he's going to kill himself.... so you call the police?  Why?  What magic do you want them to perform to cure him?  They're going to be more concerned that a mentally ill guy has a gun and will turn it on others.  And why does someone diagnosed with mental illness own a gun?  Dad didn't seem to have a problem with that.

You want to help him?  Then do something yourself.  Why would you call to say your kid is acting dangerously, then say everything to deny it when the police get there?  Get him some help from medical professionals.  Don't try to pawn it off on others, then biatch when it doesn't go the way you wanted.

It's almost like some people need the drama.  They won't do anything themselves, but like to throw the blame around when things go badly.   The kid would have probably shot himself anyways.... but now they can claim it someone else's fault.  That way they can continue to be delusional about how great their son was and how he was so safe to be around.

Ridiculous.  If so many people hate the police, why do they continue to call them with nonsense?  Try taking care of your own issues.
 
2017-07-17 08:44:31 AM  

cman: Keyser_Soze_Death: cman: Lesson learned: Don't call the cops for a suicidal person

Fixed.

If someone was trying to break into my place, I'm gonna call the cops.


Then you should get your affairs in order. We look forward to reading about your tragic demise on fark.
 
2017-07-17 08:45:02 AM  

LordJiro: America's police system is broken. Many (if not most) cops have absolutely no idea how to deescalate a situation, and those that do often get reprimanded for talking people down instead of gunning down the "threat". And our legal system has repeatedly told police that if they even feel a twinge of 'fear', they're completely justified in killing someone, no matter how little of a threat was posed, or how cooperative the victim was.

The entire system needs to be rebuilt from the ground up.


No, America is broken.  People need to grow up and take responsibility for themselves.
 
2017-07-17 08:45:45 AM  
This story rolled on like a short story out of Reader's Digest.  It was too long for me to read.

But I get the gist.  It was sad.

Don't call the cops to check on someone and tell the cops that he has a gun.
 
2017-07-17 08:45:48 AM  

Ker_Thwap: Schmerd1948: Ker_Thwap: My first thought would be to call a suicide prevention hotline, unless of course I suspected that my child with the gun was likely to take out a few other people including myself, neighbors, ex girlfriends, etc.; at which point the responsible thing would be to call the police.

  So, the parents are fearful for their own lives, and the police aren't allowed to be fearful for their own lives and take precautions like wearing body armor?  The parents just expected a Hollywood ending where a kindly old police officer takes off the vest, risks his/her own life and smoothly says the perfect words, that perfectly penetrate the angst of the would be suicide.

The guy shot himself, there's very little the police could have done to prevent that.  No one else got shot, that's a positive outcome.

They armored vehicle was a nice touch. And the multiple town-forces.
You really don't think they over-reacted?

My then wife passed out and thumped to the floor one night.  I called 911.  Within 10 minutes there were 30 local volunteer firemen cluttering up my house, clogging the parking spaces, so that by the time the ambulance arrived, it had no where to park.  ¯\_(ツ)_/¯   Responders get bored.  At worst, it was a giant waste of funding.

So, yes.  You're right, it does seem to be an over-reaction.  Better than an under-reaction, where innocents got killed as well.  Did the over-reaction directly lead to the suicide? Dubious.  There was a massive life long chain of events that led to the suicide.  It's a complex issue, and it's a bit insensitive to pretend it's a single issue concern that can be solved with a snap of the fingers and a few magic words in every case.


Here's a thought, maybe if everyone had just left the poor young man alone, like he asked, to spend a bit of time upstairs in his room, with only his dog for company, he might have had a chance to have a bit of a think, perhaps take a nap, and then he may just have come back downstairs feeling better and ready to get on with life. Sheesh.
 
2017-07-17 08:46:03 AM  

Jesus McSordid: cman:
If someone was trying to break into my place, I'm gonna call the cops. They do have their uses even tho many of them can be assholes.

Even that isn't safe, apparently.


The only time I can see myself calling the police is if I need a police report for insurance purposes.
 
2017-07-17 08:49:09 AM  

tukatz: Your kid has mental problems, snaps without warning, indicates he's going to kill himself.... so you call the police?  Why?  What magic do you want them to perform to cure him?  They're going to be more concerned that a mentally ill guy has a gun and will turn it on others.  And why does someone diagnosed with mental illness own a gun?  Dad didn't seem to have a problem with that.

You want to help him?  Then do something yourself.  Why would you call to say your kid is acting dangerously, then say everything to deny it when the police get there?  Get him some help from medical professionals.  Don't try to pawn it off on others, then biatch when it doesn't go the way you wanted.

It's almost like some people need the drama.  They won't do anything themselves, but like to throw the blame around when things go badly.   The kid would have probably shot himself anyways.... but now they can claim it someone else's fault.  That way they can continue to be delusional about how great their son was and how he was so safe to be around.

Ridiculous.  If so many people hate the police, why do they continue to call them with nonsense?  Try taking care of your own issues.


It wasn't the parents that called, it was the ex-girlfriend.
 
2017-07-17 08:51:05 AM  

casual disregard: What is the primary purpose of police? Beyond paperwork and investigations, it's not protecting the public. No, the primary purpose of the police is to neutralize threats. Insofar as the police are concerned, and the people who voted in a police force with that modus operandi, it can only be seen as mission accomplished.

If you own guns the police will kill you if they perceive you as a threat. If you are having a mental breakdown the police will kill you if they perceive you as a threat. If you are nonwhite the police will kill you if they perceive you as a threat (if you won't listen to me, at least give Chris Rock a chance, might just save your life). Heck sometimes they even shoot white people, but they try to keep it out of the news (offer may not be valid in Zimbabwe).

How "duh" can we get on this? How many more times do we have to see a police killing before we simply accept it not only as reality but as the political will of the democratic republican populace? I'd bet a dollar at the casino that this victim's parents voted for the very politicians that enabled this sort of environment to emerge. But not more than a dollar. I dislike games of chance even when rigged in my favor.

It's all about perception.


You're right.  It IS all about perception.  Like yours is apparently warped by your personal hatred of law enforcement.   Not everyone feels that way.  In fact, many people see the ever growing violence and crime and are afraid.  They also know that the police have a more violent and rebellious society to deal with.  And that they aren't paid to die over someone's inability to follow commands or lack of control.
 
2017-07-17 08:52:07 AM  

Nidiot: cpubus: "Don't back me into a corner," his father remembers Austin saying. "Because I'll make it go away in four seconds."
To Russell Reeves, the meaning was clear - Austin would hurt himself if he wasn't left in peace. Stunned and afraid, Reeves dialed the Hingham police just after 10 p.m. to ask for help.

So the meaning was clear... yet he calls the police.

In the hall upstairs, Austin's mother spoke to him through his locked bedroom door. "Whatever's happening," Kate Harrison says she called to her son, "I love you, and we can work it out."

Then immediately start pestering him.
I get the feeling they never actually leave him the fark alone

Yeah. Thanks Mom and Dad, you sure handled that well. Of course you wont see how you contributed to the death of your own son there at all.


you know it's kind of a darwin, they being too stupid to leave their son alone for a moment and decide to swat him instead. Hopefully they don't have any other children and their defective genes will die out
 
2017-07-17 08:54:24 AM  

Jesus McSordid: cman:
If someone was trying to break into my place, I'm gonna call the cops. They do have their uses even tho many of them can be assholes.

Even that isn't safe, apparently.


How many are assholes?  Do you have some percentages on that?  It sounds like you must have met many of them in order to draw such a conclusion.  Otherwise it would just be extremely exaggerated.
 
2017-07-17 08:55:10 AM  
Wait, I may be wrong. The article says the ex called early on, but also says the father called. What a clusterfark all around.
 
2017-07-17 08:56:13 AM  

tukatz: casual disregard: What is the primary purpose of police? Beyond paperwork and investigations, it's not protecting the public. No, the primary purpose of the police is to neutralize threats. Insofar as the police are concerned, and the people who voted in a police force with that modus operandi, it can only be seen as mission accomplished.

If you own guns the police will kill you if they perceive you as a threat. If you are having a mental breakdown the police will kill you if they perceive you as a threat. If you are nonwhite the police will kill you if they perceive you as a threat (if you won't listen to me, at least give Chris Rock a chance, might just save your life). Heck sometimes they even shoot white people, but they try to keep it out of the news (offer may not be valid in Zimbabwe).

How "duh" can we get on this? How many more times do we have to see a police killing before we simply accept it not only as reality but as the political will of the democratic republican populace? I'd bet a dollar at the casino that this victim's parents voted for the very politicians that enabled this sort of environment to emerge. But not more than a dollar. I dislike games of chance even when rigged in my favor.

It's all about perception.

You're right.  It IS all about perception.  Like yours is apparently warped by your personal hatred of law enforcement.   Not everyone feels that way.  In fact, many people see the ever growing violence and crime and are afraid.  They also know that the police have a more violent and rebellious society to deal with.  And that they aren't paid to die over someone's inability to follow commands or lack of control.


So what did this unarmed woman in her pj's do while talking to the police she called for, that could be described as an inability to follow commands or lack of control? http://www.news.com.au/world/north-america/shooting-death-of​-justine-d​amond-in-minneapolis-sparks-calls-for-federal-investigation/news-story​/2d2486888c0c6d8fa1ca3d8f4bc7df91
 
2017-07-17 08:56:26 AM  

TOSViolation: cpubus: "Don't back me into a corner," his father remembers Austin saying. "Because I'll make it go away in four seconds."
To Russell Reeves, the meaning was clear - Austin would hurt himself if he wasn't left in peace. Stunned and afraid, Reeves dialed the Hingham police just after 10 p.m. to ask for help.

So the meaning was clear... yet he calls the police.

In the hall upstairs, Austin's mother spoke to him through his locked bedroom door. "Whatever's happening," Kate Harrison says she called to her son, "I love you, and we can work it out."

Then immediately start pestering him.
I get the feeling they never actually leave him the fark alone

The parents basically murdered him.  He told them to just leave him the fark alone, so the farkwads call the police.  His parents DESERVE to live the rest of their lives with guilt and pain over his death that they caused.


you, sir, are an idiot. A heartless idiot. It was the girlfriend who called the suicide hotline. They called the police. The mom went up to tell the boy she loved him. Does any of that sound like the parents MURDERED the son and DESERVE to blah blah blah.?
Idiot.
 
2017-07-17 08:57:18 AM  

doglover: cman: Lesson learned: Don't call the cops for a suicidal person

Or ever, really.

The only reason you should call the police is to kill negros. That's not what police are supposed to be, just what they've become. If you need negros murdered, call the police. If you need ANYTHING else, call someone else.

Also if you are black , or even have a heavy tan, and the police show up... GET THE HELL OUTTA THERE!


Wow, your neighbors must love you.
 
2017-07-17 08:57:27 AM  

Ostman: Nidiot: cpubus: "Don't back me into a corner," his father remembers Austin saying. "Because I'll make it go away in four seconds."
To Russell Reeves, the meaning was clear - Austin would hurt himself if he wasn't left in peace. Stunned and afraid, Reeves dialed the Hingham police just after 10 p.m. to ask for help.

So the meaning was clear... yet he calls the police.

In the hall upstairs, Austin's mother spoke to him through his locked bedroom door. "Whatever's happening," Kate Harrison says she called to her son, "I love you, and we can work it out."

Then immediately start pestering him.
I get the feeling they never actually leave him the fark alone

Yeah. Thanks Mom and Dad, you sure handled that well. Of course you wont see how you contributed to the death of your own son there at all.

Yeah, when a loved one goes up to a room to be alone with a gun and is visibly distraught, everyone acts completely 100% rationally. Nobody could ever panic and make a one poor decision, which they will regret forever in hindsight.

/Way to kick some one when they're down.
//Glad at least that the cops didn't gun the dog down in front of the parents.


It's fun to blame the guy and his parents and not the police, who decided to pretend to be Rambo for no good reason.
 
2017-07-17 08:58:13 AM  

Nidiot: cpubus: "Don't back me into a corner," his father remembers Austin saying. "Because I'll make it go away in four seconds."
To Russell Reeves, the meaning was clear - Austin would hurt himself if he wasn't left in peace. Stunned and afraid, Reeves dialed the Hingham police just after 10 p.m. to ask for help.

So the meaning was clear... yet he calls the police.

In the hall upstairs, Austin's mother spoke to him through his locked bedroom door. "Whatever's happening," Kate Harrison says she called to her son, "I love you, and we can work it out."

Then immediately start pestering him.
I get the feeling they never actually leave him the fark alone

Yeah. Thanks Mom and Dad, you sure handled that well. Of course you wont see how you contributed to the death of your own son there at all.


Seems like you are letting the ex-girlfriend off the hook.

She's really to blame because she's the one who called the police in the first place.

Maybe if she had simply let him get on with life, rather than trying to make herself feel better through maintaining contact (and essentially ripping his scabs off) this wouldn't have happened.
 
2017-07-17 08:58:30 AM  

tukatz: doglover: cman: Lesson learned: Don't call the cops for a suicidal person

Or ever, really.

The only reason you should call the police is to kill negros. That's not what police are supposed to be, just what they've become. If you need negros murdered, call the police. If you need ANYTHING else, call someone else.

Also if you are black , or even have a heavy tan, and the police show up... GET THE HELL OUTTA THERE!

Wow, your neighbors must love you.


Do your parents know you're using their computer?
 
2017-07-17 08:59:32 AM  

lucksi: i always enjoy reading how such things are handled in second/third world countries. Makes me appreciate our police force more


Things like this have happened in Germany as well even if the cops here are generally less trigger happy.. Don't forget the Tennessee Eisenberg case...
 
2017-07-17 08:59:40 AM  

Nidiot: Ker_Thwap: Schmerd1948: Ker_Thwap: My first thought would be to call a suicide prevention hotline, unless of course I suspected that my child with the gun was likely to take out a few other people including myself, neighbors, ex girlfriends, etc.; at which point the responsible thing would be to call the police.

  So, the parents are fearful for their own lives, and the police aren't allowed to be fearful for their own lives and take precautions like wearing body armor?  The parents just expected a Hollywood ending where a kindly old police officer takes off the vest, risks his/her own life and smoothly says the perfect words, that perfectly penetrate the angst of the would be suicide.

The guy shot himself, there's very little the police could have done to prevent that.  No one else got shot, that's a positive outcome.

They armored vehicle was a nice touch. And the multiple town-forces.
You really don't think they over-reacted?

My then wife passed out and thumped to the floor one night.  I called 911.  Within 10 minutes there were 30 local volunteer firemen cluttering up my house, clogging the parking spaces, so that by the time the ambulance arrived, it had no where to park.  ¯\_(ツ)_/¯   Responders get bored.  At worst, it was a giant waste of funding.

So, yes.  You're right, it does seem to be an over-reaction.  Better than an under-reaction, where innocents got killed as well.  Did the over-reaction directly lead to the suicide? Dubious.  There was a massive life long chain of events that led to the suicide.  It's a complex issue, and it's a bit insensitive to pretend it's a single issue concern that can be solved with a snap of the fingers and a few magic words in every case.

Here's a thought, maybe if everyone had just left the poor young man alone, like he asked, to spend a bit of time upstairs in his room, with only his dog for company, he might have had a chance to have a bit of a think, perhaps take a nap, and then he may just have come back downstair ...


Wide range of possibilities on the "could of should of scale."  Let's go with a nap, then he came downstairs, happy and refreshed with no problems in the world, decided to become a scientist and would have been the one to cure cancer.  Sure, that's the most probable situation.  I'll double check later with my Magic 8 Ball.

http://www.healthline.com/health/suicide-and-suicidal-behavior#overvi​e​w1   There are many causes/predictors of suicide.  I don't believe anywhere on that list therapy is "leave them alone and let them take a nice nap."  It's a complex problem, and there is no single solution.
 
2017-07-17 09:00:40 AM  
If you felt that he just needed to be allowed to go to sleep, why did you call the cops...?
 
2017-07-17 09:00:58 AM  

Arachnophobe: It wasn't the parents that called, it was the ex-girlfriend.


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The parents did not make the call. No word on whether the boyfriend played the "I'll kill myself if you leave" card, but if he did then there's no cause to blame the ex either; calling the cops is what you do in that situation.
 
2017-07-17 09:02:26 AM  

webron: It's fun to blame the guy and his parents and not the police, who decided to pretend to be Rambo for no good reason


More like the Waffen-SS.  Talk about a disproportionate response...
 
2017-07-17 09:03:28 AM  

mgshamster: It says his ex-girlfriend called the cops for a welfare check, not his parents.


Everyone keeps forgetting this.

Most guys think differently than most gals do.

In general, guys don't want to talk about it - they want to mope some and get on with life. Talking about it and "being friends" is basically rebooting that process constantly.

Unless you can cheer on an ex when they tell you that you've found someone new and the same is true in the other direction, the whole "let's keep in touch" or "let's be friends" is simply not a good idea. A general head nod of acknowledgement in public is good enough.
 
2017-07-17 09:04:20 AM  

Schmerd1948: Ker_Thwap: My first thought would be to call a suicide prevention hotline, unless of course I suspected that my child with the gun was likely to take out a few other people including myself, neighbors, ex girlfriends, etc.; at which point the responsible thing would be to call the police.

  So, the parents are fearful for their own lives, and the police aren't allowed to be fearful for their own lives and take precautions like wearing body armor?  The parents just expected a Hollywood ending where a kindly old police officer takes off the vest, risks his/her own life and smoothly says the perfect words, that perfectly penetrate the angst of the would be suicide.

The guy shot himself, there's very little the police could have done to prevent that.  No one else got shot, that's a positive outcome.

They armored vehicle was a nice touch. And the multiple town-forces.
You really don't think they over-reacted?


If they have the toys, they want to use them.  Imagine having a tank in your garage.  It's just sitting there for an emergency. You don't really need it, but you have it anyway.  If you get an excuse to use it, no matter how thin, you will.
 
2017-07-17 09:06:29 AM  

Ker_Thwap: Schmerd1948: Ker_Thwap: My first thought would be to call a suicide prevention hotline, unless of course I suspected that my child with the gun was likely to take out a few other people including myself, neighbors, ex girlfriends, etc.; at which point the responsible thing would be to call the police.

  So, the parents are fearful for their own lives, and the police aren't allowed to be fearful for their own lives and take precautions like wearing body armor?  The parents just expected a Hollywood ending where a kindly old police officer takes off the vest, risks his/her own life and smoothly says the perfect words, that perfectly penetrate the angst of the would be suicide.

The guy shot himself, there's very little the police could have done to prevent that.  No one else got shot, that's a positive outcome.

They armored vehicle was a nice touch. And the multiple town-forces.
You really don't think they over-reacted?

My then wife passed out and thumped to the floor one night.  I called 911.  Within 10 minutes there were 30 local volunteer firemen cluttering up my house, clogging the parking spaces, so that by the time the ambulance arrived, it had no where to park.  ¯\_(ツ)_/¯   Responders get bored.  At worst, it was a giant waste of funding.

So, yes.  You're right, it does seem to be an over-reaction.  Better than an under-reaction, where innocents got killed as well.  Did the over-reaction directly lead to the suicide? Dubious.  There was a massive life long chain of events that led to the suicide.  It's a complex issue, and it's a bit insensitive to pretend it's a single issue concern that can be solved with a snap of the fingers and a few magic words in every case.


Seriously, you don't think that being surrounded by an army has any effect on this guy pulling the trigger?  That is shockingly naive.
 
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