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(Townhall)   California will go its own way concerning dealing with climate change during the Trump Administration, requires solar panels on all homes and windmills on all farms. Why yes, Clownhall has a problem with this   ( townhall.com) divider line
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2017-07-16 07:02:36 PM  
I have no issue with the idea of this at all. This is going to be a very good thing. But electric companies are still going to have to be able to supply in the wee small hours of the night when there is not enough light to generate anything. ESPECIALLY if it's a calm night and the wind isn't blowing hard enough to generate the electricity when needed.

Because of the reduction in their profits, the electric companies are just going to jack up their rates to make up for the reduction of money.

This needs to be planned out specifically, with enough variance in the plan to ensure that it is going to work as intended. Not just in terms of electricity needs, but economic needs as well.

Good luck, California.

Do this right and show the rest of the world that not all Americans are ignorant farking dumbasses.

Make it work.

Make it great.

Make it the envy of the world.
 
2017-07-16 07:28:38 PM  
img.fark.net

And y'all called me mad...
 
2017-07-16 07:39:48 PM  

HedlessChickn: I have no issue with the idea of this at all. This is going to be a very good thing. But electric companies are still going to have to be able to supply in the wee small hours of the night when there is not enough light to generate anything. ESPECIALLY if it's a calm night and the wind isn't blowing hard enough to generate the electricity when needed.

Because of the reduction in their profits, the electric companies are just going to jack up their rates to make up for the reduction of money.

This needs to be planned out specifically, with enough variance in the plan to ensure that it is going to work as intended. Not just in terms of electricity needs, but economic needs as well.

Good luck, California.

Do this right and show the rest of the world that not all Americans are ignorant farking dumbasses.

Make it work.

Make it great.

Make it the envy of the world.


Energy storage is what will really make-or-break this. Bank the excess energy from maximum solar and wind production times to distribute back into the grid when needed.

My home uses little energy during the day. If we could bank solar production for use when we get home and want to watch Netflix, we'd be in pretty good shape.
 
2017-07-16 07:50:40 PM  

HedlessChickn: Do this right and show the rest of the world that not all Americans are ignorant farking dumbasses.


Too late.
 
2017-07-16 07:52:46 PM  

themindiswatching: Too late.


Fatalism.

It's what's for dinner.
 
2017-07-16 07:56:47 PM  
What has not been widely discussed in the press - and buried in the details of the bill - is that all new homes and all homes sold must have solar panels as their source of energy.  All apartment buildings with more than four units must install solar panels by 2025, and all commercial and office buildings must do the same.  As for farms, they must commit 25% of their acreage to windmills.

It does? Where?
http://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/faces/billNavClient.xhtml?bill_id=2​0​1720180SB100

CTRL-F "wind" - 0 results. CTRL-F "solar" - 0 results. CTRL-F "farm" - 0 results

Perhaps my legalese is failing me, but I don't see any of those things in there.
 
2017-07-16 08:05:28 PM  
HedlessChickn: Not just in terms of electricity needs, but economic needs as well.

The direction the trend is going. California produced so much power from solar energy this spring that wholesale electricity prices turned negative
 
2017-07-16 08:13:53 PM  

HedlessChickn: themindiswatching: Too late.

Fatalism.

It's what's for dinner.


We'll probably need massive election and education reform at this point before we regain any credibility with much of the world, regardless of what California does. I mean, we did elect a Russian plant despite all the evidence of such.
 
2017-07-16 08:24:25 PM  

timujin: What has not been widely discussed in the press - and buried in the details of the bill - is that all new homes and all homes sold must have solar panels as their source of energy.  All apartment buildings with more than four units must install solar panels by 2025, and all commercial and office buildings must do the same.  As for farms, they must commit 25% of their acreage to windmills.

It does? Where?
http://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/faces/billNavClient.xhtml?bill_id=20​1720180SB100

CTRL-F "wind" - 0 results. CTRL-F "solar" - 0 results. CTRL-F "farm" - 0 results

Perhaps my legalese is failing me, but I don't see any of those things in there.


That was, of course, followed by this questionable gem:

A Democratic member of the Senate told us "We cannot wait any longer to save the planet.  The time is now."  We asked him about the economic effect of the bill.   He stated, "This will be a huge economic stimulus for California.  Now all my family members who are here as undocumented workers can get a job.  It will take the burden off me of supporting them.  Who do you think is going to climb on all those roofs and install those solar panels?"

That totally doesn't sound like a made up quote at all.
 
2017-07-16 08:30:06 PM  
They have some new roofing solar cells which will be out soon.
Pretty expensive though.
solar tiles
 
2017-07-16 08:32:43 PM  

Deep Contact: They have some new roofing solar cells which will be out soon.
Pretty expensive though.
solar tiles


A nice feature of the Tesla tiles is the battery. It stores enough power to run the house for 2 or 3 days.
 
2017-07-16 08:42:25 PM  
I've been saying for 20 years that all of the southern & western states should mandate at least a minimal solar installation for all new construction and major renovations on existing properties.

If nothing else, solar hot water heaters would save a significant amount of gas and electric and would cost almost nothing to install on a new home. You'd need to give building inspector some latitude to allow for site considerations that make it impractical, but the majority of new houses would benefit from at least some solar/wind power.

Once you do that, the resulting demand would drive technology and send the cost even lower.
 
2017-07-16 08:43:13 PM  
I don't have a problem with thi
 
2017-07-16 09:00:40 PM  

SurfaceTension: timujin: What has not been widely discussed in the press - and buried in the details of the bill - is that all new homes and all homes sold must have solar panels as their source of energy.  All apartment buildings with more than four units must install solar panels by 2025, and all commercial and office buildings must do the same.  As for farms, they must commit 25% of their acreage to windmills.

It does? Where?
http://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/faces/billNavClient.xhtml?bill_id=20​1720180SB100

CTRL-F "wind" - 0 results. CTRL-F "solar" - 0 results. CTRL-F "farm" - 0 results

Perhaps my legalese is failing me, but I don't see any of those things in there.

That was, of course, followed by this questionable gem:

A Democratic member of the Senate told us "We cannot wait any longer to save the planet.  The time is now."  We asked him about the economic effect of the bill.   He stated, "This will be a huge economic stimulus for California.  Now all my family members who are here as undocumented workers can get a job.  It will take the burden off me of supporting them.  Who do you think is going to climb on all those roofs and install those solar panels?"

That totally doesn't sound like a made up quote at all.


Holy fark, the entire article is bogus, at least as far as I can tell. Here's one bit:

Steve Manger, President of the California Farm Association

There's no such organization at the "California Farm Association".

Another:

Bud Jorgensen of Meadowland Farms

Nope, no "Bud Jorgenson" and there's no "Meadowland Farms" in California. There's one in Vermont, but I doubt that someone there would be concerned about this bill.

Lastly, this:

the Consumer Federation of California (CFC) expressed concern over costs that would be passed on to consumers.  A spokesperson for CFC questioned the wisdom of this: "How are we supposed to sue the power companies when they get their energy off peoples' roofs."

Okay, there is a Consumer Federation of California, but I can find no statement from them regarding this bill. However, they have supported previous renewable energy bills.

As for the quotes that are supposedly from California politicians, notice they don't actually name the person they're quoting? Instead, it's "A leader on the California State Assembly told us" and "A Democratic member of the Senate told us".

You want Fake News, folks? This is it.
 
2017-07-16 09:16:09 PM  

timujin: SurfaceTension: timujin: What has not been widely discussed in the press - and buried in the details of the bill - is that all new homes and all homes sold must have solar panels as their source of energy.  All apartment buildings with more than four units must install solar panels by 2025, and all commercial and office buildings must do the same.  As for farms, they must commit 25% of their acreage to windmills.

It does? Where?
http://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/faces/billNavClient.xhtml?bill_id=20​1720180SB100

CTRL-F "wind" - 0 results. CTRL-F "solar" - 0 results. CTRL-F "farm" - 0 results

Perhaps my legalese is failing me, but I don't see any of those things in there.

That was, of course, followed by this questionable gem:

A Democratic member of the Senate told us "We cannot wait any longer to save the planet.  The time is now."  We asked him about the economic effect of the bill.   He stated, "This will be a huge economic stimulus for California.  Now all my family members who are here as undocumented workers can get a job.  It will take the burden off me of supporting them.  Who do you think is going to climb on all those roofs and install those solar panels?"

That totally doesn't sound like a made up quote at all.

Holy fark, the entire article is bogus, at least as far as I can tell. Here's one bit:

Steve Manger, President of the California Farm Association

There's no such organization at the "California Farm Association".

Another:

Bud Jorgensen of Meadowland Farms

Nope, no "Bud Jorgenson" and there's no "Meadowland Farms" in California. There's one in Vermont, but I doubt that someone there would be concerned about this bill.

Lastly, this:

the Consumer Federation of California (CFC) expressed concern over costs that would be passed on to consumers.  A spokesperson for CFC questioned the wisdom of this: "How are we supposed to sue the power companies when they get their energy off peoples' roofs."

Okay, there is a Consumer Federation of Californi ...


Trumpsters fell for it? Go figure.
 
2017-07-16 09:30:07 PM  
FOOLS! THERE IS ONLY SO MUCH ENERGY IN THE SUN! YOU GO USING IT ALL UP FOR MAKING JACUZIES FIZZ AND BUBBLE AND ALL THOSE LIBERAL CUP MASSAGES AND LIBERAL CLAP-TRAP, WE COULD DRAIN THE SUN! WIND MILLS? ARE YOU MAD? BILLIONS OF BIRDS WILL GET CHOPPED UP ON THOSE DEATH TRAPS, AND THE WINDS WILL SHUT DOWN AND THE WHOLE STATE WILL BE ENGULFED IN RECORD HIGH TEMPERATURES THANKS TO THE LACK OF NATURAL AIR CONDITIONING!

MADNESS! UTTER AND TOTAL MADNESS! THESE CALIFORNIAN FOOLS WILL KILL US ALL!
 
2017-07-16 09:33:16 PM  
img.fark.net
 
2017-07-16 09:36:01 PM  

SurfaceTension: Trumpsters fell for it? Go figure.


I expect Trump himself to tweet about this at any moment.
 
2017-07-16 09:37:35 PM  
shiat just putting solar panels on all the targets and walmarts would probably sort out the energy crisis
 
2017-07-16 09:39:42 PM  
Typical commiefornia.

We should buy all our energy from Russia and Saudi Arabia, our allies.
 
2017-07-16 09:43:03 PM  

moothemagiccow: shiat just putting solar panels on all the targets and walmarts would probably sort out the energy crisis


A couple of office buildings near LAX have a bunch of solar panels on their parking lots. Just shading the damn cars alone is a reason to do that.
 
2017-07-16 09:44:39 PM  
Fortunately we have infinite capital available to deal with whatever government mandates. We'll really be needing it when California also goes its own way on health care and institutes single payer. Life will be perfect here before you know it.
 
2017-07-16 09:45:02 PM  

SurfaceTension: timujin: What has not been widely discussed in the press - and buried in the details of the bill - is that all new homes and all homes sold must have solar panels as their source of energy.  All apartment buildings with more than four units must install solar panels by 2025, and all commercial and office buildings must do the same.  As for farms, they must commit 25% of their acreage to windmills.

It does? Where?
http://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/faces/billNavClient.xhtml?bill_id=20​1720180SB100

CTRL-F "wind" - 0 results. CTRL-F "solar" - 0 results. CTRL-F "farm" - 0 results

Perhaps my legalese is failing me, but I don't see any of those things in there.

That was, of course, followed by this questionable gem:

A Democratic member of the Senate told us "We cannot wait any longer to save the planet.  The time is now."  We asked him about the economic effect of the bill.   He stated, "This will be a huge economic stimulus for California.  Now all my family members who are here as undocumented workers can get a job.  It will take the burden off me of supporting them.  Who do you think is going to climb on all those roofs and install those solar panels?"

That totally doesn't sound like a made up quote at all.


Nor does "I used to grow cauliflower on that acreage over there, but once Mrs. Obama started that lunch program nobody wanted our crops anymore.  So we put in them damn windmills.  All we do all day is pick up dead birds. Cannot get ammo to shoot them anyway with the new laws in California.  The only good part of this is Cheryl makes a mean crow stew."

Totally legit. Not made up at all.
 
2017-07-16 09:45:35 PM  
Everyone knows that storing solar power is just another way for the elitists to repress us even more. They'll keep sucking energy away from the sun and stashing it in their little "solar bank accounts" until the sun is a blackened husk and we're all relegated to an eternity of cold and darkness, while those same elitists remain warm in their homes. 

To that I say: no, sir. More coal! More fossil fuels! More emissions!
 
2017-07-16 09:46:24 PM  
"Clownhall? On the Main Page?" It's more likely than you think FREE PC CHECK
 
2017-07-16 09:46:26 PM  

Trocadero: moothemagiccow: shiat just putting solar panels on all the targets and walmarts would probably sort out the energy crisis

A couple of office buildings near LAX have a bunch of solar panels on their parking lots. Just shading the damn cars alone is a reason to do that.


A lot of businesses here (and, I'm assuming, elsewhere in the country), use those not only for powering their offices, but also for electric car charging stations. So they offer shade, reduce electrical consumption, and aid in the reduction of carbon emissions.
 
2017-07-16 09:47:46 PM  
Is this newspaper legit?

If so, then I kind of have an issue that if you are Black, Native American, Hispanic, LGBTQ, then your solar panels are subsidized or paid for.  Otherwise you are on your own.

However suspect this is biased reporting and hopefully the reality is there are income qualifications.
 
2017-07-16 09:49:16 PM  

timujin: SurfaceTension: timujin: What has not been widely discussed in the press - and buried in the details of the bill - is that all new homes and all homes sold must have solar panels as their source of energy.  All apartment buildings with more than four units must install solar panels by 2025, and all commercial and office buildings must do the same.  As for farms, they must commit 25% of their acreage to windmills.

It does? Where?
http://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/faces/billNavClient.xhtml?bill_id=20​1720180SB100

CTRL-F "wind" - 0 results. CTRL-F "solar" - 0 results. CTRL-F "farm" - 0 results

Perhaps my legalese is failing me, but I don't see any of those things in there.

That was, of course, followed by this questionable gem:

A Democratic member of the Senate told us "We cannot wait any longer to save the planet.  The time is now."  We asked him about the economic effect of the bill.   He stated, "This will be a huge economic stimulus for California.  Now all my family members who are here as undocumented workers can get a job.  It will take the burden off me of supporting them.  Who do you think is going to climb on all those roofs and install those solar panels?"

That totally doesn't sound like a made up quote at all.

Holy fark, the entire article is bogus, at least as far as I can tell. Here's one bit:

Steve Manger, President of the California Farm Association

There's no such organization at the "California Farm Association".

Another:

Bud Jorgensen of Meadowland Farms

Nope, no "Bud Jorgenson" and there's no "Meadowland Farms" in California. There's one in Vermont, but I doubt that someone there would be concerned about this bill.

Lastly, this:

the Consumer Federation of California (CFC) expressed concern over costs that would be passed on to consumers.  A spokesperson for CFC questioned the wisdom of this: "How are we supposed to sue the power companies when they get their energy off peoples' roofs."

Okay, there is a Consumer Federation of Californi ...


It almost sounds like Drew's Friends are writing outright lies for fun and profit. Could this be fake news?
 
2017-07-16 09:50:07 PM  
Some of it is hyperbole and humor, but the part about the percentages and years (100% electricity from renewables by 2045)  is exactly what's in bill SB100 that De Leon is pushing.
 
2017-07-16 09:50:58 PM  
I only read a couple of paragraph of that article before my bullshiat meter nearly exploded. Maybe I should have continued reading and achieved sustainable nuclear fusion now instead of in ten years.

The Democrat they quote is not made of straw, it's made of poor quality synthetic virtual 8 bit straw.
 
2017-07-16 09:51:18 PM  

killwhitey: Is this newspaper legit?

If so, then I kind of have an issue that if you are Black, Native American, Hispanic, LGBTQ, then your solar panels are subsidized or paid for.  Otherwise you are on your own.

However suspect this is biased reporting and hopefully the reality is there are income qualifications.


Username checks out.
 
2017-07-16 09:52:03 PM  

Bondith: killwhitey: Is this newspaper legit?

If so, then I kind of have an issue that if you are Black, Native American, Hispanic, LGBTQ, then your solar panels are subsidized or paid for.  Otherwise you are on your own.

However suspect this is biased reporting and hopefully the reality is there are income qualifications.

Username checks out.


Wait, no it doesn't, that's the complete opposite of checking out.  Unless it's ironic.

Bah, I shouldn't Fark when I'm sick.

/I'll just be over there
 
2017-07-16 09:52:09 PM  
Townhall turned satire and nobody knew
 
2017-07-16 09:52:25 PM  

The Headless Horseman's Headless Horse: Everyone knows that storing solar power is just another way for the elitists to repress us even more. They'll keep sucking energy away from the sun and stashing it in their little "solar bank accounts" until the sun is a blackened husk and we're all relegated to an eternity of cold and darkness, while those same elitists remain warm in their homes. 

To that I say: no, sir. More coal! More fossil fuels! More emissions!


img.fark.net
/The Force Awakens was almost as poorly written as this article
 
2017-07-16 09:52:28 PM  
SurfaceTension: A Democratic member of the Senate told us "We cannot wait any longer to save the planet.  The time is now."  We asked him about the economic effect of the bill.   He stated, "This will be a huge economic stimulus for California.  Now all my family members who are here as undocumented workers can get a job.  It will take the burden off me of supporting them.  Who do you think is going to climb on all those roofs and install those solar panels?"

img.fark.net
 
2017-07-16 09:52:32 PM  
I especially love the part about the extra subsidies for LGTBQ.

"...
Expanding on that issue, he said anyone who can show they are Black, Hispanic, LGBTQ or disabled will get a special subsidy.  We are particularly targeting our Native American friends.  As long as you can prove you are at least 1/16 Native American we will provide a full subsidy for those individuals."
We asked how he came up with that standard.  The Senator replied "If the standard is good enough for Harvard it is good enough for California."

They can't even make fake news believable.
 
2017-07-16 09:53:30 PM  

killwhitey: Is this newspaper legit?

If so, then I kind of have an issue that if you are Black, Native American, Hispanic, LGBTQ, then your solar panels are subsidized or paid for.  Otherwise you are on your own.

However suspect this is biased reporting and hopefully the reality is there are income qualifications.


Confirmed googling the story and then noticed the fake tag.
 
2017-07-16 09:57:06 PM  

jjorsett: Some of it is hyperbole and humor, but the part about the percentages and years (100% electricity from renewables by 2045)  is exactly what's in bill SB100 that De Leon is pushing.


No, it's not "exactly" what's in the bill. There's nothing in it about farms giving over land to "windmills" (they're called wind turbines anyway) and nothing in it mandating apartments or houses to be fitted with solar panels. Yes, those are the percentages of renewable energy the bill seeks to achieve, but the requirements are for the utilities. The article is a steaming pile of horseshiat designed to appeal to the prejudices of a specific and very stupid demographic.
 
2017-07-16 09:57:23 PM  

spamdog: Townhall turned satire and nobody knew


They've been printing lies and bullshiat since Day 1, so it is very hard to tell.
 
2017-07-16 09:57:43 PM  
 It used to be said that the Sun never set on the British Empire. So just put arrays of solar panels in what was once the British Empire and the world can have free energy!
 
2017-07-16 09:58:19 PM  
California is borderline insolvent, their employee pension system on the verge of collapse, their bond rating is teetering on junk status ... but they're gonna make housing more expensive with solar panels that will be outdated in a decade?

Take that, Trump!!
 
2017-07-16 10:00:47 PM  

zeppo_shemp: California is borderline insolvent, their employee pension system on the verge of collapse, their bond rating is teetering on junk status ... but they're gonna make housing more expensive with solar panels that will be outdated in a decade?

Take that, Trump!!


Yes indeedy. Stupidity rules.

https://www.weaselzippers.us/348905-california-doesnt-have-money-to-f​i​x-roads-drops-millions-on-gun-violence-research/
 
2017-07-16 10:01:34 PM  
Not going to click a link labelled [Fake].  How about not green-lighting links to fake sites to begin with?...
 
2017-07-16 10:02:21 PM  

Ow! That was my feelings!: Typical commiefornia.

We should buy all our energy from Russia and Saudi Arabia, our allies.


No, it's not "typical". There is literally nothing factual in the article, but because it fits with your prejudices, you swallowed it whole. And that's the point of the article, the author knows there are people out there that will buy it without question, that will pass it on, thereby creating negative backlash for legislation he disagrees with, truth be damned. Think on that for a while. Think on how you were just played for a fool.
 
2017-07-16 10:05:36 PM  

zeppo_shemp: California is borderline insolvent, their employee pension system on the verge of collapse, their bond rating is teetering on junk status ... but they're gonna make housing more expensive with solar panels that will be outdated in a decade?

Take that, Trump!!


California's bond rating is teetering on junk status? Man, you should get on the phone to Moody's, S&P, and Standard and Poor's, as they all raised their ratings for California bonds this year.

Also, you should read my previous comment, it looks like you also have some thinking to do.
 
2017-07-16 10:07:05 PM  

HedlessChickn: I have no issue with the idea of this at all. This is going to be a very good thing. But electric companies are still going to have to be able to supply in the wee small hours of the night when there is not enough light to generate anything. ESPECIALLY if it's a calm night and the wind isn't blowing hard enough to generate the electricity when needed.

Because of the reduction in their profits, the electric companies are just going to jack up their rates to make up for the reduction of money.

This needs to be planned out specifically, with enough variance in the plan to ensure that it is going to work as intended. Not just in terms of electricity needs, but economic needs as well.

Good luck, California.

Do this right and show the rest of the world that not all Americans are ignorant farking dumbasses.

Make it work.

Make it great.

Make it the envy of the world.


Here here!
 
2017-07-16 10:10:44 PM  
I'm glad that Drew's friends provide us this in depth look at what the other side is talking about. We are all the richer, intellectually and socially for having been exposed to it.
 
2017-07-16 10:13:45 PM  

killwhitey: Is this newspaper legit?


no
 
2017-07-16 10:15:52 PM  

timujin: Ow! That was my feelings!: Typical commiefornia.

We should buy all our energy from Russia and Saudi Arabia, our allies.

No, it's not "typical". There is literally nothing factual in the article, but because it fits with your prejudices, you swallowed it whole. And that's the point of the article, the author knows there are people out there that will buy it without question, that will pass it on, thereby creating negative backlash for legislation he disagrees with, truth be damned. Think on that for a while. Think on how you were just played for a fool.


img.fark.net


I should read the article.

 
2017-07-16 10:16:33 PM  

ISO15693: SurfaceTension: timujin: What has not been widely discussed in the press - and buried in the details of the bill - is that all new homes and all homes sold must have solar panels as their source of energy.  All apartment buildings with more than four units must install solar panels by 2025, and all commercial and office buildings must do the same.  As for farms, they must commit 25% of their acreage to windmills.

It does? Where?
http://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/faces/billNavClient.xhtml?bill_id=20​1720180SB100

CTRL-F "wind" - 0 results. CTRL-F "solar" - 0 results. CTRL-F "farm" - 0 results

Perhaps my legalese is failing me, but I don't see any of those things in there.

That was, of course, followed by this questionable gem:

A Democratic member of the Senate told us "We cannot wait any longer to save the planet.  The time is now."  We asked him about the economic effect of the bill.   He stated, "This will be a huge economic stimulus for California.  Now all my family members who are here as undocumented workers can get a job.  It will take the burden off me of supporting them.  Who do you think is going to climb on all those roofs and install those solar panels?"

That totally doesn't sound like a made up quote at all.

Nor does "I used to grow cauliflower on that acreage over there, but once Mrs. Obama started that lunch program nobody wanted our crops anymore.  So we put in them damn windmills.  All we do all day is pick up dead birds. Cannot get ammo to shoot them anyway with the new laws in California.  The only good part of this is Cheryl makes a mean crow stew."

Totally legit. Not made up at all.


I DNRTFA...that shiat is actually in there???
 
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