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2017-07-16 10:16:39 AM  
I know it's prison but this seems unhelpful. Is the anti-smoking lobby really that strong that this seemed like a good idea?
 
2017-07-16 10:25:45 AM  
Might as well take away the Cinnamon Buns while you're at it.
 
2017-07-16 10:36:05 AM  
Been that way in PA for a long time IIRC.  Pretty sure it's common these days.
 
2017-07-16 10:40:53 AM  
Canada banned smoking in federal prisons quite a while ago, and all the provincial prisons are smoke free now too I think. Is it the best answer? A perfect answer to this issue isn't available, and in our case the health and safety aspect won the day.
 
2017-07-16 11:14:55 AM  
It's a slippery slope... next thing you know they'll ban alcohol.
 
2017-07-16 11:41:00 AM  
It's to keep health care costs down

/for the guards
//thuse health plans ain't cheap
 
2017-07-16 12:26:54 PM  
All they have to do is let them out for a smoke break...
 
2017-07-16 12:33:47 PM  

cranked: It's a slippery slope... next thing you know they'll ban alcohol.


But without my toilet merlot, how could I survive?
 
2017-07-16 12:42:53 PM  

cman: cranked: It's a slippery slope... next thing you know they'll ban alcohol.

But without my toilet merlot, how could I survive?


Be somebody, or be somebody's biatch. Of course it's shank or be shanked.
 
2017-07-16 12:44:20 PM  
Keep it up and we'll take away your vasoline.
 
2017-07-16 12:47:03 PM  
And then the murders began...
 
2017-07-16 12:48:03 PM  
1) Ban cigs in prison
2) Allow guards to smoke, and stink like cigs
3) 100s of inmates get to smell their banned product on guards

Mix and enjoy!

If the guards are banned from smoking, then their cunning plan will be a bit better.  Otherwise, it's torture to a smoker to smell another smoker, yet be denied their fix.

But, they're bad guys so they're getting what they deserve?
 
2017-07-16 12:49:47 PM  

nekom: Been that way in PA for a long time IIRC.  Pretty sure it's common these days.


They banned it in Oklahoma prisons a while back as well. However,  they banned it behind the walls and fences first,  allowing minimum and trustees to still use it. The problem with that is they used minimum and trustees to go inside the higher security areas to work and, well the inevitable happened. Cigarettes were eventually banned at the lower security places as well. They were still allowed smokeless tobacco but I had no idea you could dry that stuff out and make it "smokeable"
 
2017-07-16 12:51:30 PM  

Barfmaker: Canada banned smoking in federal prisons quite a while ago, and all the provincial prisons are smoke free now too I think. Is it the best answer? A perfect answer to this issue isn't available, and in our case the health and safety aspect won the day.


Yup, because every citizen needs their criminal population to be in tip top shape.
 
2017-07-16 12:52:10 PM  

Voiceofreason01: I know it's prison but this seems unhelpful. Is the anti-smoking lobby really that strong that this seemed like a good idea?


If you're worried about the mental health of prisoners, then you should be for greater, easier access to mental health. Not locking up damaged people in prison with other damaged people simply because they're damaged.

If you're worried about the physical health of prisoners and guards. Then you should think this is a good idea.

If you're worried about prisoners being denied access to luxuries, then you should be reminded this is prison. They waived their rights to become a ward of the state when they were convicted (rightly or wrongly so), and smoking is becoming increasingly banned from state and federal facilities. Prisons shouldn't get a pass.

If you're worried about prisoners becoming more agitated, then similarly you should support prisoners being given greater access to mental health. Prison infirmaries should be stocked with medication used to help people quit cold turkey.

If you're worried about safety, then logically you should similarly support this, as it's not just the effects of smoking that's a safety hazard, but also fires that inevitably happen either intentionally or unintentionally.
 
2017-07-16 12:52:10 PM  

Voiceofreason01: I know it's prison but this seems unhelpful. Is the anti-smoking lobby really that strong that this seemed like a good idea?


So fark the non-smoking inmates and employees right to not be exposed to second hand smoke, right?  fark smokers, they don't deserve any rights, inside or outside of prison.
 
2017-07-16 12:55:34 PM  

Johnny Rockets: Voiceofreason01: I know it's prison but this seems unhelpful. Is the anti-smoking lobby really that strong that this seemed like a good idea?

So fark the non-smoking inmates and employees right to not be exposed to second hand smoke, right?  fark smokers, they don't deserve any rights, inside or outside of prison.


I agree, especially those ones that drive massive smoke making machines.  Those are the worst!

/Stand in a garage with me for 10, you smell
//Stand in a garage with the car, you dead
 
2017-07-16 01:02:37 PM  

Johnny Rockets: Voiceofreason01: I know it's prison but this seems unhelpful. Is the anti-smoking lobby really that strong that this seemed like a good idea?

So fark the non-smoking inmates and employees right to not be exposed to second hand smoke, right?  fark smokers, they don't deserve any rights, inside or outside of prison.


Gulible much?
Yes, yes you are.
 
2017-07-16 01:04:04 PM  

Voiceofreason01: Is the anti-smoking lobby really that strong that this seemed like a good idea?


What anti-smoking lobby?

Smoking is unhealthy, and it sucks being a warden, when you have to endure all those morons puffing away. And for the 20% who doesn't smoke in prisons.
 
2017-07-16 01:06:14 PM  

ArthurVandelay: 1) Ban cigs in prison
2) Allow guards to smoke, and stink like cigs
3) 100s of inmates get to smell their banned product on guards

Mix and enjoy!

If the guards are banned from smoking, then their cunning plan will be a bit better.  Otherwise, it's torture to a smoker to smell another smoker, yet be denied their fix.

But, they're bad guys so they're getting what they deserve?


Banning smoking in prisons is being talked about here as well. Wardens stinking of smoke won't be a problem, since smoking at, any, workplace isn't allowed anyway.
 
2017-07-16 01:08:18 PM  

Ketchuponsteak: ArthurVandelay: 1) Ban cigs in prison
2) Allow guards to smoke, and stink like cigs
3) 100s of inmates get to smell their banned product on guards

Mix and enjoy!

If the guards are banned from smoking, then their cunning plan will be a bit better.  Otherwise, it's torture to a smoker to smell another smoker, yet be denied their fix.

But, they're bad guys so they're getting what they deserve?

Banning smoking in prisons is being talked about here as well. Wardens stinking of smoke won't be a problem, since smoking at, any, workplace isn't allowed anyway.


So smokers only smell whilst smoking?

Only the warden may smoke, none of the turn keys?

Workplaces don't have designated areas for smoking?
 
2017-07-16 01:09:03 PM  

MaudlinMutantMollusk: It's to keep health care costs down

/for the guards
//thuse health plans ain't cheap


I assure you that taking away a 250lb muscle-head's nicotine fix is not going to make the guards any safer.  Quite the contrary, in fact.
 
2017-07-16 01:11:46 PM  
BFD. E-cigs are a thing.
 
2017-07-16 01:15:05 PM  
What will they use for currency without cigarettes?
 
2017-07-16 01:20:02 PM  
They banned smoking at the prison I work at back in 2004. Actually, it was a state-wide ban for all prisons. Guess what? Everyone got over it.

They did build a smoke shack out in the parking lot, though.
 
2017-07-16 01:20:50 PM  

Quantumbunny: What will they use for currency without cigarettes?


Coffee.
 
2017-07-16 01:23:36 PM  
At least half of the inmates are there because of drugs. Yet currently they allow drugs in prison???
 
2017-07-16 01:25:23 PM  
Good. it'll help teach them a profitable job skill for when they get out.

Smuggling
 
2017-07-16 01:26:18 PM  
We wouldnt want criminals to die before their time would we?
 
2017-07-16 01:26:34 PM  

ArthurVandelay: 1) Ban cigs in prison
2) Allow guards to smoke, and stink like cigs
3) 100s of inmates get to smell their banned product on guards

Mix and enjoy!

If the guards are banned from smoking, then their cunning plan will be a bit better.  Otherwise, it's torture to a smoker to smell another smoker, yet be denied their fix.


Yeah, but the courts get all up-in-your-face for the "real" torture.  So what are the guards to do?  They have so few fringe benefits as it is.
 
2017-07-16 01:31:39 PM  

punkwrestler: Barfmaker: Canada banned smoking in federal prisons quite a while ago, and all the provincial prisons are smoke free now too I think. Is it the best answer? A perfect answer to this issue isn't available, and in our case the health and safety aspect won the day.

Yup, because every citizen needs their criminal population to be in tip top shape.


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2017-07-16 01:34:35 PM  

NephilimNexus: MaudlinMutantMollusk: It's to keep health care costs down

/for the guards
//thuse health plans ain't cheap

I assure you that taking away a 250lb muscle-head's nicotine fix is not going to make the guards any safer.  Quite the contrary, in fact.


They can go work out to get over it

/Maybe lift some weights
//What could possibly go wrong?
 
2017-07-16 01:38:16 PM  

Johnny Rockets: Voiceofreason01: I know it's prison but this seems unhelpful. Is the anti-smoking lobby really that strong that this seemed like a good idea?

So fark the non-smoking inmates and employees right to not be exposed to second hand smoke, right?  fark smokers, they don't deserve any rights, inside or outside of prison.


Du fuq?  Smokers don't deserve any rights?  Don't you think that's a little extreme?
 
2017-07-16 01:41:10 PM  

punkwrestler: Barfmaker: Canada banned smoking in federal prisons quite a while ago, and all the provincial prisons are smoke free now too I think. Is it the best answer? A perfect answer to this issue isn't available, and in our case the health and safety aspect won the day.

Yup, because every citizen needs their criminal population to be in tip top shape.


Smokers tend to be less healthy, and thus cost more to care for. Also, how do you expect to make any money off their slave labour of they have to stop and hack up a lung every few minutes?
 
2017-07-16 01:41:11 PM  

ArthurVandelay: Ketchuponsteak: ArthurVandelay: 1) Ban cigs in prison
2) Allow guards to smoke, and stink like cigs
3) 100s of inmates get to smell their banned product on guards

Mix and enjoy!

If the guards are banned from smoking, then their cunning plan will be a bit better.  Otherwise, it's torture to a smoker to smell another smoker, yet be denied their fix.

But, they're bad guys so they're getting what they deserve?

Banning smoking in prisons is being talked about here as well. Wardens stinking of smoke won't be a problem, since smoking at, any, workplace isn't allowed anyway.

So smokers only smell whilst smoking?

Only the warden may smoke, none of the turn keys?

Workplaces don't have designated areas for smoking?


English isn't my first language. By warden, I meant all the employees.

No workplaces don't have designated areas for smoking. You can go smoke if you go outside, per the law. Though many workplaces would require you to completely leave the factory area, which kinda means you're not really doing your job and liable to be fired.


Smokers still smell for a while after they smoked yes, though, if they did it outside, its actually not so bad IMHO. Not really enough for me to notice anyway. But I assume X-smokers would be more sensitive.

The best way for a smoker to not smell is to smoke outside, and walk whilst smoking. Very little smoke sticking to their clothes.
 
2017-07-16 01:44:10 PM  

Voiceofreason01: I know it's prison but this seems unhelpful. Is the anti-smoking lobby really that strong that this seemed like a good idea?


Its already policy in most US prison systems. What it does is create new black market opportunities for the staff and COs and the various cliques to enrich themselves, and new opportunities for inmates to get themselves into debt to those cliques, with very unfortunate consequences.
 
2017-07-16 01:50:07 PM  
Ketchuponsteak: ...
English isn't my first language. By warden, I meant all the employees.

No workplaces don't have designated areas for smoking. You can go smoke if you go outside, per the law. Though many workplaces would require you to completely leave the factory area, which kinda means you're not really doing your job and liable to be fired.


Smokers still smell for a while after they smoked yes, though, if they did it outside, its actually not so bad IMHO. Not really enough for me to notice anyway. But I assume X-smokers would be more sensitive.

The best way for a smoker to not smell is to smoke outside, and walk whilst smoking. Very little smoke sticking to their clothes.


Every workplace I have had has a smoking area(s).  The city buldings have a 20' rule (20 feet from an entrance)

This is the first time I have seen a non describe a smoker as "not that stinky" (paraphrased)

have been incarcerated (jail), and forced to smell smokers while being denied my fix.  It's farking torture.

/I know I know, serves me right for being a filthy evil smoker
//Nice to see moral pushing is still strong under Trump
//Stop smoking what I don't like the smell of
 
2017-07-16 01:50:25 PM  
I'd say to give them all Wellbutrin as it blocks nicotine receptors, but one of the listed side effects for use with quitting smoking is murder.

It's the only medication I've seen with that side effect. I'm on it, but for anxiety, depression and inattentive type ADHD, so no murder here.

I did try a cigarette while on it out of curiosity and it was weird not experiencing a nicotine rush. Eh, no big deal as I am not a fan of cigarettes.
 
2017-07-16 01:50:38 PM  

StatelyGreekAutomaton: punkwrestler: Barfmaker: Canada banned smoking in federal prisons quite a while ago, and all the provincial prisons are smoke free now too I think. Is it the best answer? A perfect answer to this issue isn't available, and in our case the health and safety aspect won the day.

Yup, because every citizen needs their criminal population to be in tip top shape.

Smokers tend to be less healthy, and thus cost more to care for. Also, how do you expect to make any money off their slave labour of they have to stop and hack up a lung every few minutes?


Yup and when they get out they will be able to rob twice as many House with their newfound energy.
 
2017-07-16 01:53:59 PM  
Two words...

*Banana Peels*
 
2017-07-16 02:01:00 PM  
There's a simple solution to rioting and prisoners not returning to their cells.  Don't let them out in the first place.  Or, if you already have, shoot a few, then tell them again to go inside.  Rinse and repeat as necessary.

Prison should be about punishment and rehabilitation.

It should also be for serious crimes, not stupid drug offenses better handled by rehab and outreach programs, with minimal fines for punishment.
 
2017-07-16 02:03:53 PM  
Does this include "pole smoking "?
 
2017-07-16 02:17:44 PM  
I am pro choice smoking, if a business wants to allow their patrons to smoke, then they should be allowed to. However, this isn't the type of place where the people have a choice of rather or not to participate, so I'm okay with a smoking ban. It sucks for smokers, but just like pretty much every other addiction, you don't really have a right to it in jail(but can probably still get it illegally).

/also as poor people seem to get locked up the most, getting them off smoking might be the best thing our prison system will actually do in terms of actual rehabilitation.
 
2017-07-16 02:26:12 PM  
With replacements for nicotine addiction readily available, like e-cigs, nicotine patches and nicotine gum, there's really no excuse for having smoking in prison. It's a public health hazard.
 
2017-07-16 02:34:27 PM  
On the  plus side, they can always play Badminton..
 
2017-07-16 02:44:55 PM  

lepidoptera: With replacements for nicotine addiction readily available, like e-cigs, nicotine patches and nicotine gum, there's really no excuse for having smoking in prison. It's a public health hazard.


No it isn't
 
2017-07-16 02:54:47 PM  

Quantumbunny: What will they use for currency without cigarettes?


He won't be making nickle bets anymore?
One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest - I bet a dime
Youtube Rwaz5H7C1bs
 
2017-07-16 02:55:41 PM  

ArthurVandelay: Ketchuponsteak: ...
English isn't my first language. By warden, I meant all the employees.

No workplaces don't have designated areas for smoking. You can go smoke if you go outside, per the law. Though many workplaces would require you to completely leave the factory area, which kinda means you're not really doing your job and liable to be fired.


Smokers still smell for a while after they smoked yes, though, if they did it outside, its actually not so bad IMHO. Not really enough for me to notice anyway. But I assume X-smokers would be more sensitive.

The best way for a smoker to not smell is to smoke outside, and walk whilst smoking. Very little smoke sticking to their clothes.

Every workplace I have had has a smoking area(s).  The city buldings have a 20' rule (20 feet from an entrance)

This is the first time I have seen a non describe a smoker as "not that stinky" (paraphrased)

I have been incarcerated (jail), and forced to smell smokers while being denied my fix.  It's farking torture.

/I know I know, serves me right for being a filthy evil smoker
//Nice to see moral pushing is still strong under Trump
//Stop smoking what I don't like the smell of


I'm quite sensitive to the smell of smoke (and perfume), and allergy I have I presume. To me people wearing perfume is /way/ worse than a smoker.

But being sensitive to it, I can definetly tell the difference between someone who smoked in a confined space, someone who smoked whilst being outside and someone smoking whilst walking.

Mate of mine, stopped smoking 2 months ago, still suffering from it, I could walk along side him whilst he was smoking, and it would barely register with me. And he'd definetly not, to me, have any lingering smoke in his clothes afterwards.

Its the vogue anyway, where I live, to smoke outside. Since smoking inside lowers the value of your apartment/car. New apartment buildings are even allowed to deny tenants to smoke inside, since some of the chemicals in tobacco can apparently go straight up through the ceiling (ie. have fun containing Helium, some gasses just don't care).
 
2017-07-16 03:44:21 PM  
Georgia's prisons have been smoke free for 20 years. Cigs are the second most common contraband (after cell phones).
 
2017-07-16 03:53:30 PM  
As marijuana become legal, what happens in prison with that substance then?
 
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