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(Sydney Morning Herald)   War with North Korea would be 64,000 dead in the first three hours ...and then the nukes would come   ( smh.com.au) divider line
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2017-07-16 09:10:07 AM  
People will die in a war, so we should do nothing and let millions of people continue suffering!
 
2017-07-16 09:24:32 AM  
I actually doubt we could move enough forces into the area to prosecute such a war without Fatty Ding Dong lighting it off for us.  My guess would be we start the build up, and even if it would only take days nowadays, he'd light things off, and those estimates would be downright conservative regardless of what choice we then made.  Do we send our boys in piecemeal into the grinder, or do we finish the muster and hours of shelling turns into days.

But of course, Johnny Airmchair (ret navy air core general) says we should do it anyway.
 
2017-07-16 09:27:39 AM  
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2017-07-16 09:31:16 AM  

Johnny Rockets: People will die in a war, so we should do nothing and let millions of people continue suffering!


That's a spectacularly dumb take. Even for this hour of the morning. Hmm, 0.8/10 from the North Korean judge.
 
2017-07-16 09:31:37 AM  

Johnny Rockets: People will die in a war, so we should do nothing and let millions of people continue suffering!


Yes, because those are the ONLY 2 options available. You do realize, do you not, that a lot of those 64,000 in the first few hours are going to be South Koreans, our allies. If war does break out, it will be Trump's fault and no one will trust the US again for decades. Period.  The lack of regard trump has had for our allies around the world has been absolutely shocking.
 
2017-07-16 09:34:59 AM  

Kouta: Oblig:

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Old artillary,  unreliable ammo and bargain-bin ICBM's might not be much of a threat to the US but if I lived in Seoul I'd be worried.
 
2017-07-16 09:51:42 AM  

Ambivalence: Yes, because those are the ONLY 2 options available.


Well considering sanctions haven't done anything to stop it, I guess we should keep doing those, right?

Ambivalence: You do realize, do you not, that a lot of those 64,000 in the first few hours are going to be South Koreans, our allies.


South Koreans would certainly die, what's your point?  How many of the good guys and innocent civilians died during WWII?
 
2017-07-16 09:56:40 AM  
We don't know if NK is at a point where they can fit one of their nukes on top of one of their missiles. But that doesn't really matter. They have an abundance of chemical weapons. Which isn't really a nicer thought.
 
2017-07-16 09:58:15 AM  

thisispete: We don't know if NK is at a point where they can fit one of their nukes on top of one of their missiles. But that doesn't really matter. They have an abundance of chemical weapons. Which isn't really a nicer thought.


They can certainly take Seoul down to rubble. And they can do a lot of damage to Japan. And thats just with conventional weapons.

Almost like there are no easy solutions
 
2017-07-16 10:18:36 AM  

Voiceofreason01: Kouta: Oblig:

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Old artillary,  unreliable ammo and bargain-bin ICBM's might not be much of a threat to the US but if I lived in Seoul I'd be worried.


NK is dangerous enough that any fight gets ugly, fast. They're also bonkers enough to start one.

The best solution might be to completely isolate NK and allow the regime to collapse. China, for obvious reasons, really doesn't want that chaos on their doorstep.
 
2017-07-16 10:20:39 AM  
I do not believe NK will launch any first strike. They know what will happen next. Their stance intended to prevent attacks on them because we know what will happen next. And they want to blackmail world into giving them aid.
 
2017-07-16 10:23:56 AM  

Gubbo: They can certainly take Seoul down to rubble.


Really, and just how can they do that? You do know that almost all of their artillery fires rounds that can't come close to hitting Seoul, and of that that can, they have a limited number of RAP rounds, right?  You also know that those vehicles that fire those rounds have a reload time of around 5 minutes, meaning that they'll get one shot off before being destroyed, right?  You also know that there are anti-missile systems in the South that would shoot down most, if not all of the long range missiles that actually posed a thread to Seoul, right?  You of course also know that their SCUD missiles are wildly inaccurate and unreliable, right?  I could go on and on, but I think you get the point.

Since you obviously know all of those things, please tell me, in great detail, how they're going to "take Seoul down to rubble"?
 
2017-07-16 10:37:40 AM  

Johnny Rockets: Ambivalence: Yes, because those are the ONLY 2 options available.

Well considering sanctions haven't done anything to stop it, I guess we should keep doing those, right?

Ambivalence: You do realize, do you not, that a lot of those 64,000 in the first few hours are going to be South Koreans, our allies.

South Koreans would certainly die, what's your point?  How many of the good guys and innocent civilians died during WWII?


Are you familiar with how the last conflict in Korea went?  The Norks will nuke a pathway south, and we'll be lucky not to lose the entire peninsula.  China will get up to all sorts of mischief at the same time, and the Russians would love to test their new hardware against us.

In short, you know nothing, Johnny Rockets.
 
2017-07-16 10:42:03 AM  

Marcus Aurelius: Are you familiar with how the last conflict in Korea went?  The Norks will nuke a pathway south, and we'll be lucky not to lose the entire peninsula.  China will get up to all sorts of mischief at the same time, and the Russians would love to test their new hardware against us.


Are you aware that the last Korean conflict was fought between two sides using 1950's technology?  Are you aware that this war would be fought with one side using 1970's technology and the other using 21st century technology?

So they're going to nuke a path to Seoul, even though they have no way of delivering a nuke, and then drive right through the radiation zones they've created?  LOL, go back to your comic books, son.
 
2017-07-16 10:42:23 AM  

Johnny Rockets: Gubbo: They can certainly take Seoul down to rubble.

Really, and just how can they do that? You do know that almost all of their artillery fires rounds that can't come close to hitting Seoul, and of that that can, they have a limited number of RAP rounds, right?  You also know that those vehicles that fire those rounds have a reload time of around 5 minutes, meaning that they'll get one shot off before being destroyed, right?  You also know that there are anti-missile systems in the South that would shoot down most, if not all of the long range missiles that actually posed a thread to Seoul, right?  You of course also know that their SCUD missiles are wildly inaccurate and unreliable, right?  I could go on and on, but I think you get the point.

Since you obviously know all of those things, please tell me, in great detail, how they're going to "take Seoul down to rubble"?


It the willfull ignorance, coupled with what seems to be a Tom Clancy fantasy about the military.

I believe others here have said it better. But you're an idiot.
 
2017-07-16 10:43:12 AM  

Johnny Rockets: Marcus Aurelius: Are you familiar with how the last conflict in Korea went?  The Norks will nuke a pathway south, and we'll be lucky not to lose the entire peninsula.  China will get up to all sorts of mischief at the same time, and the Russians would love to test their new hardware against us.

Are you aware that the last Korean conflict was fought between two sides using 1950's technology?  Are you aware that this war would be fought with one side using 1970's technology and the other using 21st century technology?

So they're going to nuke a path to Seoul, even though they have no way of delivering a nuke, and then drive right through the radiation zones they've created?  LOL, go back to your comic books, son.


You are so naive that you think wars proceed according to some sort of plan.
 
2017-07-16 10:44:05 AM  

Johnny Rockets: You also know that there are anti-missile systems in the South that would shoot down most, if not all of the long range missiles that actually posed a thread to Seoul, right?


Haha no.
 
2017-07-16 10:46:11 AM  

Gubbo: It the willfull ignorance, coupled with what seems to be a Tom Clancy fantasy about the military.

I believe others here have said it better. But you're an idiot.


I'm giving him the special color treatment after this nonsense.  Nobody farks with North Korea for a good goddamn reason, and he thinks destroying a large section of Asia is some sort of game you can win?
 
2017-07-16 10:48:02 AM  

Gubbo: I believe others here have said it better. But you're an idiot.


The only idiot here are you and your minions that know fark all about the military or Korea but sit here claiming to know how a war would play out.  Since you were too chickenshiat to serve, you should really hold your tongue when it comes to discussing military matters.  There are plenty of SJW talking points you can spew, lets stick to those.  K, thanks!
 
2017-07-16 10:50:41 AM  

Marcus Aurelius: Johnny Rockets: Marcus Aurelius: Are you familiar with how the last conflict in Korea went?  The Norks will nuke a pathway south, and we'll be lucky not to lose the entire peninsula.  China will get up to all sorts of mischief at the same time, and the Russians would love to test their new hardware against us.

Are you aware that the last Korean conflict was fought between two sides using 1950's technology?  Are you aware that this war would be fought with one side using 1970's technology and the other using 21st century technology?

So they're going to nuke a path to Seoul, even though they have no way of delivering a nuke, and then drive right through the radiation zones they've created?  LOL, go back to your comic books, son.

You are so naive that you think wars proceed according to some sort of plan.


"No battle plan ever survives contact with the enemy."
 
2017-07-16 10:53:44 AM  

Johnny Rockets: Gubbo: I believe others here have said it better. But you're an idiot.

The only idiot here are you and your minions that know fark all about the military or Korea but sit here claiming to know how a war would play out.  Since you were too chickenshiat to serve, you should really hold your tongue when it comes to discussing military matters.  There are plenty of SJW talking points you can spew, lets stick to those.  K, thanks!


You are here to warmonger, when warmongering plays directly into the Norks hands.  Just because the Norks have nukes doesn't mean we need to "do" anything.  They're not suicidal.  They can't use them.  And as you yourself said, we'll just shoot them all down.

So let sanctions and isolation do their thing.
 
2017-07-16 10:55:45 AM  

Marcus Aurelius: So let sanctions and isolation do their thing.


Yeah, because fark the millions of North Koreans that are being tortured, forced into labor camps, and starving, right?

So brave of you to turn a blind eye to the suffering of millions.  You and those like you are clearly the better person here.
 
2017-07-16 10:58:37 AM  

Johnny Rockets: Gubbo: I believe others here have said it better. But you're an idiot.

The only idiot here are you and your minions that know fark all about the military or Korea but sit here claiming to know how a war would play out.  Since you were too chickenshiat to serve, you should really hold your tongue when it comes to discussing military matters.  There are plenty of SJW talking points you can spew, lets stick to those.  K, thanks!


What percentage of people serve nowadays anyway. 2%?

I don't know how a war would go. But I do know that artillery, even from the 70s, explodes. And I know that Seoul is within range of north Korean artillery.

So yeah, while I don't know how a war goes, I for sure know how it starts.
 
2017-07-16 10:59:43 AM  

Marcus Aurelius: Gubbo: It the willfull ignorance, coupled with what seems to be a Tom Clancy fantasy about the military.

I believe others here have said it better. But you're an idiot.

I'm giving him the special color treatment after this nonsense.  Nobody farks with North Korea for a good goddamn reason, and he thinks destroying a large section of Asia is some sort of game you can win?


Grey 3 in my case. That's the one I just skip over. Sometimes if you're grey 1, my brain wants to work out what the words are. He doesn't deserve that much consideration.
 
2017-07-16 10:59:48 AM  

Johnny Rockets: Yeah, because fark the millions of North Koreans that are being tortured, forced into labor camps, and starving, right?


They'd be better off in the middle of a war zone, possibly getting nuked, with what little resources they do have reduced to rubble?

War never brings improvements, only destruction and death.
 
2017-07-16 11:03:36 AM  

Gubbo: And I know that Seoul is within range of north Korean artillery.



But what you obviously don't know or understand is that the overwhelming majority of their artillery can't touch Seoul.  You also obviously don't understand that the position of each and every one of those artillery pieces is known and that they would be destroyed the second they got a round off.  You also apparently don't know that Seoul is a heavily fortified city and has a network of underground shelters.

I get it though, it's easier to just say that "Seoul would be reduced to rubble" then to actually educate yourself a bit.
 
2017-07-16 11:04:57 AM  

Gubbo: Marcus Aurelius: Gubbo: It the willfull ignorance, coupled with what seems to be a Tom Clancy fantasy about the military.

I believe others here have said it better. But you're an idiot.

I'm giving him the special color treatment after this nonsense.  Nobody farks with North Korea for a good goddamn reason, and he thinks destroying a large section of Asia is some sort of game you can win?

Grey 3 in my case. That's the one I just skip over. Sometimes if you're grey 1, my brain wants to work out what the words are. He doesn't deserve that much consideration.


He got Orange 2 from me. Or, as I like to call it "diarrhea brown".
 
2017-07-16 11:05:13 AM  

Gubbo: I don't know how a war would go. But I do know that artillery, even from the 70s, explodes. And I know that Seoul is within range of north Korean artillery.

So yeah, while I don't know how a war goes, I for sure know how it starts.


Whatever happened to the last country we "rescued" from an horrid brutal dictator?  Didn't that place fall into complete anarchy and provide a base of operations for ISIS?

It seems to me that we're pretty bad at  rescuing countries from brutal dictators.
 
2017-07-16 11:07:57 AM  
If history is any indicator, NK would get its ass kicked without Chinese intervention
 
2017-07-16 11:10:01 AM  

Marcus Aurelius: War never brings improvements, only destruction and death.


So what you're saying is that the allies were wrong for going to war with Hitler, right?  Had everyone just sat back and let him do his thing, he would have killed another 3 million people, bringing the total to 10 million and saving the lives of another 70 million that were killed during the war.

Sound logic you have, I like it!
 
2017-07-16 11:10:59 AM  

MaudlinMutantMollusk: If history is any indicator, NK would get its ass kicked without Chinese intervention


... and would then descend into anarchy and become a hive of scum and villany.

Of course China can't let that happen.  They'll also object vigorously to the UN presence in the south.  Good thing our UN dues are fully paid up, huh?
 
2017-07-16 11:12:29 AM  

Johnny Rockets: Marcus Aurelius: War never brings improvements, only destruction and death.

So what you're saying is that the allies were wrong for going to war with Hitler, right?  Had everyone just sat back and let him do his thing, he would have killed another 3 million people, bringing the total to 10 million and saving the lives of another 70 million that were killed during the war.

Sound logic you have, I like it!


Hitler declared war on us first, if you will recall.  As for the rest of the allies, Hitler gave them no choice.
 
2017-07-16 11:17:11 AM  

Johnny Rockets: People will die in a war, so we should do nothing and let millions of people continue suffering!


As long as its not you doing the dying you support a war

Strange how that always works.....
 
2017-07-16 11:17:23 AM  

Johnny Rockets: People will die in a war, so we should do nothing and let millions of people continue suffering!


I share the underlying sentiment that finds it disgraceful that the world at large continues to do nothing substantial to abate the ongoing mistreatment of the NK citizens.

I think the consequences of the US unilaterally attacking or starting a war with them is a dice roll with potentially apocalyptic outcomes.

But you can't just stop at the NK if you're going to be all bleeding-heart about it, Johnny Rockets.  What about the 60 million displaced refugees and asylum seekers that we do nothing for?  ALL of NK only holds 25 million people. http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2016/06/20/482762237/r​efugees-d​isplaced-people-surpass-60-million-for-first-time-unhcr-says
 
2017-07-16 11:17:28 AM  

Marcus Aurelius: Hitler declared war on us first, if you will recall.


Um, Hitler didn't declare war on us until after the bombing of Pearl Harbor and when we had declared war on Japan.  Anyways, that's irrelevant to the point.  Had nobody taken up arms against Hitler, there would be 70 million people that weren't killed as a result of WWII.   You said it, don't retract from it now, war is never a good thing and only leads to death and destruction.  Better that we just let the millions of people in NK suffer and get ready for Game of Thrones tonight.
 
2017-07-16 11:19:28 AM  

Johnny Rockets: Better that we just let the millions of people in NK suffer and get ready for Game of Thrones tonight.


That was part of the rationale for invading Iraq, and we only made that place and the neighborhood a whole lot worse.  Why exactly would North Korea be any different?
 
2017-07-16 11:20:16 AM  

Johnny Rockets: Marcus Aurelius: War never brings improvements, only destruction and death.

So what you're saying is that the allies were wrong for going to war with Hitler, right?  Had everyone just sat back and let him do his thing, he would have killed another 3 million people, bringing the total to 10 million and saving the lives of another 70 million that were killed during the war.

Sound logic you have, I like it!


Hitler's kill count was already around 11-12 million, not counting the actual battles. The '6 million' number is referring to Jews, but the Nazis also killed homosexuals, disabled people, other ethnicities, political opponents, and other such demographics.
 
2017-07-16 11:21:28 AM  

Johnny Rockets: People will die in a war, so we should do nothing and let millions of people continue suffering!


It's amazing how often I agree with what you post on here...and then...this...
 
2017-07-16 11:21:51 AM  

LowbrowDeluxe: I actually doubt we could move enough forces into the area to prosecute such a war without Fatty Ding Dong lighting it off for us.  My guess would be we start the build up, and even if it would only take days nowadays, he'd light things off, and those estimates would be downright conservative regardless of what choice we then made.  Do we send our boys in piecemeal into the grinder, or do we finish the muster and hours of shelling turns into days.

But of course, Johnny Airmchair (ret navy air core general) says we should do it anyway.


It'd be an air war for the first 30 days and that'd be it, just like Iraq.
Air superiority is everything.
 
2017-07-16 11:22:24 AM  
A small price to pay for not agreeing to a Trump real estate loan. Look what happened to Qatar.
 
2017-07-16 11:23:41 AM  

Marcus Aurelius: That was part of the rationale for invading Iraq, and we only made that place and the neighborhood a whole lot worse.


 Because North Korea isn't in the Middle East.  Because a violent religion isn't at play in North Korea.  Because not so long ago, North and South Korea were one nation.
 
2017-07-16 11:26:00 AM  

Johnny Rockets: Because a violent religion isn't at play in North Korea.


https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Juche
 
2017-07-16 11:27:33 AM  

LordJiro: Hitler's kill count was already around 11-12 million, not counting the actual battles. The '6 million' number is referring to Jews, but the Nazis also killed homosexuals, disabled people, other ethnicities, political opponents, and other such demographics.


Hell, lets double that and say that Hitler would have killed 20 million people, that's still 60 million people that wouldn't have been killed in the war. War is never right!
 
2017-07-16 11:27:40 AM  
Well that's one way to divert attention from a NothingBurgerTM investigation.
 
2017-07-16 11:27:55 AM  

Johnny Rockets: Because a violent religion isn't at play in North Korea


Kim Jong Un is their God, and North Korea is possibly the most heavily militarized and indoctrinated country on the entire planet.  They have been born and bred to be violent and worship a strong leader.  Do you actually think fracturing that country won't lead to multiple violent heavily armed factions vying for control?  Because I am not ready to believe that.  In fact it wounds like a fantasy.
 
2017-07-16 11:28:31 AM  
Ramp down the aggression.  After 70 years everyone knows the US has the ability to parking lot any city on the planet if it wanted to.  If all of this hullaballoo is about "protecting" the North Koreans, then if we pull back and show them that they don't have any reason to fear us, maybe even sign an actual document ending the Korean War, and a few other things, maybe Kimland would tone it down a bit.

If anything, it shows we're cool, and puts the ball in their court as that they don't need to build up a whole war footing if the "aggressors" are backing off.  If there's no threat to their being then the argument to building up their arsenal.  It might sound dumb, but waving our proverbial dicks hasn't accomplished anything so maybe that would.

Either way North Korea is such a Kobayashi Maru.
 
2017-07-16 11:29:05 AM  

Johnny Rockets: Hitler would have killed 20 million people


That's how many Russians died in WWII.

You need to brush up on your history.
 
2017-07-16 11:31:03 AM  

Marcus Aurelius: Kim Jong Un is their God


LOL, sure thing.  It's not like people just clap and cheer to keep from being tortured or killed, they actually believe the bullshiat.  So now your argument is that the 25 million people in NK are bad hombres so fark them.  Nice!
 
2017-07-16 11:31:26 AM  
So we're reducing the greatest catastrophe in human history to a math problem

Wow...
 
2017-07-16 11:31:47 AM  

Marcus Aurelius: That's how many Russians died in WWII.

You need to brush up on your history.


Are you even paying attention?
 
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