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2017-07-16 03:25:09 AM  
Oh, plenty of people care.  But the ones with the power to do something about it can still pretend things are different from what they are... for now.
 
2017-07-16 08:27:04 AM  
If Mueller does find full bore collusion and this snaps the Trump base from their "mass hallucination," we're going to need FEMA trucks to deliver neck braces to the stricken.
 
2017-07-16 09:10:05 AM  

August11: If Mueller does find full bore collusion and this snaps the Trump base from their "mass hallucination," we're going to need FEMA trucks to deliver neck braces to the stricken.


I'm really skeptical that anything can change their minds.
 
2017-07-16 09:13:52 AM  

August11: If Mueller does find full bore collusion and this snaps the Trump base from their "mass hallucination," we're going to need FEMA trucks to deliver neck braces to the stricken.


I agree that we will need a lot of first responders but not like that. They are too far gone in commitment to their delusions. Revealing Trump's crimes won't make them ashamed or even bring them to a moment of clarity. They'll feel robbed, not misled. They'll get angry and violent. There will probably be assassinations in "retaliation" for the attack on conservatism because that's easier mentally than admitting they have been misled since Lincoln was shot.
 
2017-07-16 09:30:39 AM  
1. A good portion of the Republican base are authoritarians and just want to 'win.' If that means watching their bosses win, then fine. They've been conditioned to see Putin as manly (vs. Obama as unmanly), and they automatically see Trump as manly for some reason. This large group of people is comprised of losers. They like losing, it's comfortable to them. They just want their own manly leaders to win.

2. A good portion feels we are in a potentially world-ending fight against Radical Islam (TM). They are for Russia because it is strong. It is somehow now the bastion of Christian fortitude and also they hate the gays. So it's even more strong and awesome. Look at Putin's bare chest. Russia is a country that has things figured out, and with luck we can be like them.

Strangely, these two populations don't overlap entirely, although essentially their politics are the same. America is weak and may never be great until we become Russia. That's essentially it. We are overrun by gays but won't be if we follow leaders like the shirtless Putin. We are losers but won't be if we give all our money to rich pastors and billionaires.

It's all about giving up. The first side, give up because things are never going to work out unless you give up to the right people, like, get those shiat coal jobs back your grandparents were desperate for you to never have to do. The second side, give up because the world is about to end in a great Islam-Christianity conflagration and the Messiah is obviously coming from Moscow.
 
2017-07-16 09:36:32 AM  

t3knomanser: August11: If Mueller does find full bore collusion and this snaps the Trump base from their "mass hallucination," we're going to need FEMA trucks to deliver neck braces to the stricken.

I'm really skeptical that anything can change their minds.


30% of the country still think Nixon did nothing wrong. These people are fundamentally broken and will never be fixed
 
2017-07-16 09:39:12 AM  

t3knomanser: August11: If Mueller does find full bore collusion and this snaps the Trump base from their "mass hallucination," we're going to need FEMA trucks to deliver neck braces to the stricken.

I'm really skeptical that anything can change their minds.


There's always this.

m.quickmeme.com
 
2017-07-16 09:39:43 AM  
I think we are probably farked. The Trump base cares about nothing but stigginit, and the "moderate" Republican politicians will wring their hands and say "Oh dear," while passing legislation that screws the poor. Glad I decided not to have kids.
 
2017-07-16 09:40:34 AM  

Lost Thought 00: t3knomanser: August11: If Mueller does find full bore collusion and this snaps the Trump base from their "mass hallucination," we're going to need FEMA trucks to deliver neck braces to the stricken.

I'm really skeptical that anything can change their minds.

30% of the country still think Nixon did nothing wrong. These people are fundamentally broken and will never be fixed


It can be fixed, by education. At least for the next generation.

Which is why these people are so opposed to institutions of higher education, and why Betsy DeVos was put in place with the mission to do as much damage as possible.
 
2017-07-16 09:42:17 AM  

Doc Daneeka: Lost Thought 00: t3knomanser: August11: If Mueller does find full bore collusion and this snaps the Trump base from their "mass hallucination," we're going to need FEMA trucks to deliver neck braces to the stricken.

I'm really skeptical that anything can change their minds.

30% of the country still think Nixon did nothing wrong. These people are fundamentally broken and will never be fixed

It can be fixed, by education. At least for the next generation.

Which is why these people are so opposed to institutions of higher education, and why Betsy DeVos was put in place with the mission to do as much damage as possible.


Freedom of choice!!!!
 
2017-07-16 09:44:54 AM  

Doc Daneeka: Lost Thought 00: t3knomanser: August11: If Mueller does find full bore collusion and this snaps the Trump base from their "mass hallucination," we're going to need FEMA trucks to deliver neck braces to the stricken.

I'm really skeptical that anything can change their minds.

30% of the country still think Nixon did nothing wrong. These people are fundamentally broken and will never be fixed

It can be fixed, by education. At least for the next generation.

Which is why these people are so opposed to institutions of higher education, and why Betsy DeVos was put in place with the mission to do as much damage as possible.


I'm doubtful. These people will actively refuse any amount of education. You can't force people to learn. And this hatred seems to be passed genetically
 
2017-07-16 09:47:27 AM  
FTFA:  As recently as five or 10 years ago, every major news outlet would have treated this set of facts as front-page news and a dire threat to Mr. Trump's presidency. The conservative press and Republican voters might disagree on certain particulars or points of emphasis. But their view of reality - of what happened and its significance - would have largely comported with that of the mainstream. You'd have had to travel to the political fringe of right-wing talk radio, the Drudge Report and dissident publications like Breitbart News to find an alternative viewpoint that rejected this basic story line.

No point in reading the rest of the article if this is the premise.  Was the author asleep for the birther movement?  The Tea Party?  The right wing blind spot for Dubya's mistakes and incompetence?  The rise of Fox News in the 90s?

I know recency bias is a thing, but come on.  The GOP echo chamber has been fully armed and operational for decades.
 
2017-07-16 09:48:02 AM  
If Congress and Trump pull health insurance from tens of millions of people, Russia may become more important as people turn against GOP leadership. Maybe.
 I'm still dumbfounded that the bill has any chance of passing.
 
2017-07-16 09:49:10 AM  
I think I just threw up in my mouth a little.
 
2017-07-16 09:49:55 AM  

Lost Thought 00: Doc Daneeka: Lost Thought 00: t3knomanser: August11: If Mueller does find full bore collusion and this snaps the Trump base from their "mass hallucination," we're going to need FEMA trucks to deliver neck braces to the stricken.

I'm really skeptical that anything can change their minds.

30% of the country still think Nixon did nothing wrong. These people are fundamentally broken and will never be fixed

It can be fixed, by education. At least for the next generation.

Which is why these people are so opposed to institutions of higher education, and why Betsy DeVos was put in place with the mission to do as much damage as possible.

I'm doubtful. These people will actively refuse any amount of education. You can't force people to learn. And this hatred seems to be passed genetically


Some of it sticks, some of those kids grow up and get out.
There was a generational rebellion against the GOP back in the 60's - we're overdue.
 
2017-07-16 09:50:49 AM  

T-Servo: If Congress and Trump pull health insurance from tens of millions of people, Russia may become more important as people turn against GOP leadership. Maybe.
 I'm still dumbfounded that the bill has any chance of passing.


Maybe they'll pass something better than Obamacare.

*snerk*

That was though to type.
 
2017-07-16 09:50:52 AM  

t3knomanser: August11: If Mueller does find full bore collusion and this snaps the Trump base from their "mass hallucination," we're going to need FEMA trucks to deliver neck braces to the stricken.

I'm really skeptical that anything can change their minds.


Let's go way the hell out on a limb and assume, just for the sake of argument, that the Democrats can find a candidate for 2020 that isn't the human equivalent of toxic waste and he/she wins the presidency.

What then? Even money says the Republican Party will still have control of both houses of Congress. Ryan can take a deep breath and rejoice that all he has to do is say "No" to everything coming from the White Hosue and McConnell will be right back in his wheelhouse of being the grand obstructionist, he sucks as a leader, but credit where credit is due, he's farking fantastic as the put upon patriotic American trying to save the country from socialism.

Then, that 30% that still somehow believe Trump is doing a good job can cover themselves in sackcloth and ashes and cry about the unconstitutional acts of the Democrat in the Oval Office and Fox News can get back to doing what it does best: making up lies.

All I can do is hope like hell another Justice doesn't retire or die until late in 2020 after a Democrat wins the presidency and McConnell can't hold off a confirmation for 4 years. That's really the only bright spot I can see for American politics in the next 15 to 20 years.
 
2017-07-16 09:52:38 AM  

t3knomanser: August11: If Mueller does find full bore collusion and this snaps the Trump base from their "mass hallucination," we're going to need FEMA trucks to deliver neck braces to the stricken.

I'm really skeptical that anything can change their minds.


I'm curious what the Venn diagram for Trump Supporters and Flat Earthers looks like.
 
2017-07-16 09:52:53 AM  
I've been saying this since Trump won the nomination.

 Never underestimate the stupidity of the American population.
 
2017-07-16 09:52:54 AM  

t3knomanser: August11: If Mueller does find full bore collusion and this snaps the Trump base from their "mass hallucination," we're going to need FEMA trucks to deliver neck braces to the stricken.

I'm really skeptical that anything can change their minds.


I don't even know why it's up for debate. The pro-business, Christian family-values party rode to the White House on a guy who does nothing but run businesses into the ground and has only stepped foot into a church to scope it out for fresh young girls to grab by the pussy. His base isn't under a mass delusion that Trump is innocent - they know he colluded with the Russians to cheat the election and they enjoy getting a rise out of the libs by denying it, but they love him for it. The only thing the congressional GOP is upset about is that they didn't get to do this themselves.

We had a good run, but it's over.
 
2017-07-16 09:53:24 AM  

lordjupiter: FTFA:  As recently as five or 10 years ago, every major news outlet would have treated this set of facts as front-page news and a dire threat to Mr. Trump's presidency. The conservative press and Republican voters might disagree on certain particulars or points of emphasis. But their view of reality - of what happened and its significance - would have largely comported with that of the mainstream. You'd have had to travel to the political fringe of right-wing talk radio, the Drudge Report and dissident publications like Breitbart News to find an alternative viewpoint that rejected this basic story line.

No point in reading the rest of the article if this is the premise.  Was the author asleep for the birther movement?  The Tea Party?  The right wing blind spot for Dubya's mistakes and incompetence?  The rise of Fox News in the 90s?

I know recency bias is a thing, but come on.  The GOP echo chamber has been fully armed and operational for decades.


These people have always been around.

images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com
 
2017-07-16 09:56:03 AM  

NOLAhd: t3knomanser: August11: If Mueller does find full bore collusion and this snaps the Trump base from their "mass hallucination," we're going to need FEMA trucks to deliver neck braces to the stricken.

I'm really skeptical that anything can change their minds.

Let's go way the hell out on a limb and assume, just for the sake of argument, that the Democrats can find a candidate for 2020 that isn't the human equivalent of toxic waste and he/she wins the presidency.

What then? Even money says the Republican Party will still have control of both houses of Congress. Ryan can take a deep breath and rejoice that all he has to do is say "No" to everything coming from the White Hosue and McConnell will be right back in his wheelhouse of being the grand obstructionist, he sucks as a leader, but credit where credit is due, he's farking fantastic as the put upon patriotic American trying to save the country from socialism.

Then, that 30% that still somehow believe Trump is doing a good job can cover themselves in sackcloth and ashes and cry about the unconstitutional acts of the Democrat in the Oval Office and Fox News can get back to doing what it does best: making up lies.

All I can do is hope like hell another Justice doesn't retire or die until late in 2020 after a Democrat wins the presidency and McConnell can't hold off a confirmation for 4 years. That's really the only bright spot I can see for American politics in the next 15 to 20 years.


Let's go even further. Lets assume that the Democrats take back both the House and the Senate. That still leaves 60 million odd people who figured voting for Trump was a good idea. Of that number there are still millions of Americans who believe that Trump is doing exactly what they want him to.

How do you move past that as a nation?
 
2017-07-16 09:56:59 AM  
No One Cares About Russia in the World Breitbart Made

No, Josh - Breitbart didn't make the conservative reality bubble; talk radio and Fox News have been crafting that bubble for 20+ years.

They weren't even a pioneer of bullshiat conservative websites.  Don't you remember when a World Net Daily writer fabricated a bunch of lies about John Kerry's war record?
 
2017-07-16 09:57:45 AM  

August11: If Mueller does find full bore collusion and this snaps the Trump base from their "mass hallucination," we're going to need FEMA trucks to deliver neck braces to the stricken.


"I'm from the government and I'm here to help."

img.fark.net
 
2017-07-16 09:59:00 AM  
mdemon81:

Let's go even further. Lets assume that the Democrats take back both the House and the Senate. That still leaves 60 million odd people who figured voting for Trump was a good idea. Of that number there are still millions of Americans who believe that Trump is doing exactly what they want him to.

How do you move past that as a nation?


The bigger obstacles to me are: dark money/campaign finance, voter suppression, and gerrymandering.

Democracy is dying, and a significant portion of our country is fine with it - as long as their supply of liberal tears keeps rolling in.
 
2017-07-16 09:59:51 AM  

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"I eat rat poison while you eat a salad,

Both our opinions are equally valid"

 
2017-07-16 10:00:26 AM  
Listen, Mr. Dobbs, I knew Lou Dobbs. I listened to Lou Dobbs. You, sir, are no Lou Dobbs!
 
2017-07-16 10:01:54 AM  

thermo: I've been saying this since Trump W won the nomination.

 Never underestimate the stupidity of the American population.


ftfy
 
2017-07-16 10:02:59 AM  

Cowboy Spencer: mdemon81:

Let's go even further. Lets assume that the Democrats take back both the House and the Senate. That still leaves 60 million odd people who figured voting for Trump was a good idea. Of that number there are still millions of Americans who believe that Trump is doing exactly what they want him to.

How do you move past that as a nation?

The bigger obstacles to me are: dark money/campaign finance, voter suppression, and gerrymandering.

Democracy is dying, and a significant portion of our country is fine with it - as long as their supply of liberal tears keeps rolling in.


I think what really died in 2016 was the idea that although you may disagree on politics that you could get along with your fellow Americans.
 
2017-07-16 10:04:09 AM  
This is easy to fix. Redraw districts in every state every twenty years to actually give our people proportional representation and scrap the electoral college.

In states where the population might be 50-50 Democrat to Republican you might end up with 3 Democrat representatives and 7 Republican.

Competitive races increase political participation and will bring things back towards the center as appeasing the independents in any given race becomes the key factor.

Our current system promotes political apathy and allows for fringe views to thrive in a heavily rigged system.

You can't fix the house until you fix the foundation.
 
2017-07-16 10:04:46 AM  
The only thing that will change the cultist's minds is if Trump's crimes affect them personally. As long as it's happening to others, they feel he's doing God's work. And even if it did affect them, it would almost certainly be the fault of Obama/Hillary/liberals.

In short, they will never care. That is why the bottom rung of society doesn't matter and should be ignored more than they already are.
 
2017-07-16 10:06:14 AM  

mdemon81: I think what really died in 2016 was the idea that although you may disagree on politics that you could get along with your fellow Americans.


Well said.  I skipped my family reunion this year partially because I knew they all voted for Trump, and I got queasy at the idea of being around so many people who could excuse racism, misogyny, and hatred of the poor while trumpeting their Christian values.

The other thing I see about this article though - Breitbart didn't make this alternative world.  It began long before Breitbart - BB just helped to remove any vestige of reality from the world conservative voters (and their representatives) live in (with the assistance of Alex Jones, et al).
 
2017-07-16 10:07:27 AM  

cboppert: This is easy to fix. Redraw districts in every state every twenty years to actually give our people proportional representation and scrap the electoral college.

In states where the population might be 50-50 Democrat to Republican you might end up with 3 Democrat representatives and 7 Republican.

Competitive races increase political participation and will bring things back towards the center as appeasing the independents in any given race becomes the key factor.

Our current system promotes political apathy and allows for fringe views to thrive in a heavily rigged system.

You can't fix the house until you fix the foundation.


The GOP had a 1% margin in total votes for the House this round, but they have a 10% majority in the House.  My guess is that the 1% margin disappears if you eliminate voter suppression.
 
2017-07-16 10:09:14 AM  
Eisenhower was the last respected "Republican" President.

I use quotes because when the modern Republican party made the concessions to secure the votes of Southern racists they fundamentally changed their party.

So, 56 years of being the biggest assholes in the room.
 
2017-07-16 10:10:55 AM  
Some of them are so selectively stupid they just claim fake news and it's over, done with.
 
2017-07-16 10:12:01 AM  
Nobody may care about Russia in Breitbart's world, but Breitbart does care about Breitbart's getting written up in the New York Times.

A link to the article is the main headline this morning as I type this---possibly with a view to sending the Grey Lady a plague of frogs.
 
2017-07-16 10:12:09 AM  

mdemon81: Cowboy Spencer: mdemon81:

Let's go even further. Lets assume that the Democrats take back both the House and the Senate. That still leaves 60 million odd people who figured voting for Trump was a good idea. Of that number there are still millions of Americans who believe that Trump is doing exactly what they want him to.

How do you move past that as a nation?

The bigger obstacles to me are: dark money/campaign finance, voter suppression, and gerrymandering.

Democracy is dying, and a significant portion of our country is fine with it - as long as their supply of liberal tears keeps rolling in.

I think what really died in 2016 was the idea that although you may disagree on politics that you could get along with your fellow Americans.


Because our political adversaries aren't our neighbors anymore.

We've sorted ourselves geographically to such an extent that we don't need to personally interact with or associate with people of different political opinions.

I live in an upper-middle class suburb in the northeast filled with liberal, well-educated professionals. If I go to a PTA event or the farmers market or really any public space, I can be fairly confident that that nearly everyone there has similar (liberal) political views.

It's easier to demonize people you don't interact with who live somewhere else. Our political adversaries are becoming more and more foreign and inscrutable. Not only do we disagree with them, we can't even understand them anymore.
 
2017-07-16 10:14:00 AM  
When Trump said he could shoot someone on 5th Ave. and not lose supporters, he wasn't kidding, he wasn't exaggerating, and it wasn't a compliment. He knows he's got these people so completely conned they think he's incapable of being or doing wrong. Trump and his followers call that "loyalty." It's actually closer to idolatry.
 
2017-07-16 10:14:40 AM  

Doc Daneeka: mdemon81: Cowboy Spencer: mdemon81:

Because our political adversaries aren't our neighbors anymore.

We've sorted ourselves geographically to such an extent that we don't need to personally interact with or associate with people of different political opinions.

I live in an upper-middle class suburb in the northeast filled with liberal, well-educated professionals. If I go to a PTA event or the farmers market or really any public space, I can be fairly confident that that nearly everyone there has similar (liberal) political views.

It's easier to demonize people you don't interact with who live somewhere else. Our political adversaries are becoming more and more foreign and inscrutable. Not only do we disagree with them, we can't even understand them anymore.


Liberal.  I live in Kansas.
 
2017-07-16 10:16:45 AM  

Iowan73: When Trump said he could shoot someone on 5th Ave. and not lose supporters, he wasn't kidding, he wasn't exaggerating, and it wasn't a compliment. He knows he's got these people so completely conned they think he's incapable of being or doing wrong. Trump and his followers call that "loyalty." It's actually closer to idolatry.


Hell, depending on who he shot (say, a NYT reporter or a college professor) he might actually gain support from his base.
 
2017-07-16 10:21:11 AM  

Doc Daneeka: Hell, depending on who he shot (say, a NYT reporter or a college professor) he might actually gain support from his base.


If he used a Colt revolver and twirled it a lot after the kill, he'd definitely gain with the base.
 
2017-07-16 10:22:24 AM  

Cowboy Spencer: Doc Daneeka: mdemon81: Cowboy Spencer: mdemon81:

Because our political adversaries aren't our neighbors anymore.

We've sorted ourselves geographically to such an extent that we don't need to personally interact with or associate with people of different political opinions.

I live in an upper-middle class suburb in the northeast filled with liberal, well-educated professionals. If I go to a PTA event or the farmers market or really any public space, I can be fairly confident that that nearly everyone there has similar (liberal) political views.

It's easier to demonize people you don't interact with who live somewhere else. Our political adversaries are becoming more and more foreign and inscrutable. Not only do we disagree with them, we can't even understand them anymore.

Liberal.  I live in Kansas.


The soaring cost of real estate in blue states and the depressed home prices in red states is having an effect.  A lot of the bartenders and coffee slingers I know are heading south when the lease is up and the rent doubles.  They aren't voting Confefee, at least not yet.
 
2017-07-16 10:23:02 AM  

MisterLoki: I think we are probably farked. The Trump base cares about nothing but stigginit, and the "moderate" Republican politicians will wring their hands and say "Oh dear," while passing legislation that screws the poor. Glad I decided not to have kids.


I'm sure you didn't intend it this way, but your post makes it seem as if you'd assume any children you might have had would end up being poor.
 
2017-07-16 10:26:06 AM  
So, huge swaths of Republican America are deciding Higher Education is a Bad Thing, the unspoken reason being, it's a mind-opening experience, leads to questioning everything, and that is an incredibly difficult process to reverse, and incomparable with strict ideological thinking.

Good.

Can't think of a better way to hasten their slide into Political, Social, and Economic Irrelevancy.

Get on with it.
 
2017-07-16 10:27:14 AM  
Stopped reading at "Lou Dobbs not wacky"....
 
2017-07-16 10:28:59 AM  
so I thought, hey, it's the New York Times pic of the best comments of everything they received. How bad could it possibly be?

I have made a huge mistake.
 
2017-07-16 10:33:28 AM  
For those not seeing the big picture...
Years ago Republicans declared thru Bush Jr. that they expected America to be a one party country.
Years later John McCain publicly declared that Putin would be a better leader for America than Obama.
Russia and Republicans have been colluding long before Trump.  They share the same goal - a one party America.

Thus one can logically make the argument that Republicans are traitors.
 
2017-07-16 10:36:03 AM  

Cowboy Spencer: Doc Daneeka: mdemon81: Cowboy Spencer: mdemon81:

Because our political adversaries aren't our neighbors anymore.

We've sorted ourselves geographically to such an extent that we don't need to personally interact with or associate with people of different political opinions.

I live in an upper-middle class suburb in the northeast filled with liberal, well-educated professionals. If I go to a PTA event or the farmers market or really any public space, I can be fairly confident that that nearly everyone there has similar (liberal) political views.

It's easier to demonize people you don't interact with who live somewhere else. Our political adversaries are becoming more and more foreign and inscrutable. Not only do we disagree with them, we can't even understand them anymore.

Liberal.  I live in Kansas.


I live in KC and because of my job I meet a lot of people from many walks of life but KC is one of the most segregated cities in the US and even worse than the geographic segregation is the economic segregation. I know quite a few otherwise decent people who are receptive to the bullshiat peddled by Trump and Fox News simply because they rarely have an opportunity to interact with people outside their homogeneous circle of friends and colleagues.
 
2017-07-16 10:37:34 AM  
Conservatives are filthy cowardly traitors. Film at 11.
 
2017-07-16 10:40:02 AM  

Scorpitron is reduced to a thin red paste: 1. A good portion of the Republican base are authoritarians a nd just want to 'win.' If that means watching their bosses win, then fine. They've been conditioned to see Putin as manly (vs. Obama as unmanly), and they automatically see Trump as manly for some reason.


Good news: authoritarians love law enforcement and Bob Mueller is manly.
 
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