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(NPR)   Coffee consumption in Italy is governed by strict set of unofficial rules and customs, so if you visit and order a half-caf no foam soy latteccino with extra cinnamon and a twist of lemon, don't be surprised if they dismiss you with a wanking motion   ( npr.org) divider line
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2017-07-14 11:04:16 AM  
I'm glad I'm not some serious coffee aficionado.  I just ordered "cappuccino" at the cafes in Italy and rolled with it.

Style note: alternating cappucinos and bottles of vino on a cafe crawl is fun, can potentially last forever, but will most likely end with you sleeping in a planter or fountain and being awoken by the poke of a caribinieri's MP5 telling you to scoot, in Italian.  Good times, that Italy.
 
2017-07-14 11:24:47 AM  
So Italians are pretentious snots about something just as much as the French.
 
2017-07-14 11:35:43 AM  
Cafe basso. I think that's how it is spelled. A double shot of pure caffeine. That'll wake you up.
 
2017-07-14 11:42:40 AM  
And there are many varieties to choose from, from caffé' macchiato - stained with a swirl of milk, to caffé corretto - an espresso corrected with a shot of grappa or cognac.
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2017-07-14 11:59:08 AM  
You mean the folks who invented espresso have a whole culture attached to it?

You don't say?
 
2017-07-14 12:21:55 PM  
If you're a women and you visit Italy, don't be surprised if they follow you around making a wanking motion.
 
2017-07-14 12:22:54 PM  

Nadie_AZ: Cafe basso. I think that's how it is spelled. A double shot of pure caffeine. That'll wake you up.


Basso profundo, as it were?
 
2017-07-14 12:23:11 PM  
Seems appropriate.
 
2017-07-14 12:23:49 PM  
latteccino

I feel like swinging Lucille at something.

/dark-roast coffee, black
//if I want cream and sugar, I'd get some kind of pastry
 
2017-07-14 12:24:06 PM  
Americans are pretentious, overprivileged snobs.  Podcast at 11
 
2017-07-14 12:24:40 PM  
If you're ever in Italy and you accidentally offend a local, flick your thumb starting from behind your front teeth.  That's their gesture for an apology.
 
2017-07-14 12:25:20 PM  
Coffee "bars" in Italy are awesome. 2 Choices are all one needs...Straight up espresso or cappuccino. Done. None of this half café, twist of lemon, two sugar packets foo-froo shiat with designs in the foam...
 
2017-07-14 12:25:32 PM  
FarkingReading

If you're a women and you visit Italy, don't be surprised if they follow you around making a wanking motion.

I am pretty sure you will see that in Orlando also.
 
2017-07-14 12:25:52 PM  
Starbucks coffee sux dog balls.
 
2017-07-14 12:27:18 PM  

factoryconnection: I'm glad I'm not some serious coffee aficionado.  I just ordered "cappuccino" at the cafes in Italy and rolled with it.

Style note: alternating cappucinos and bottles of vino on a cafe crawl is fun, can potentially last forever, but will most likely end with you sleeping in a planter or fountain and being awoken by the poke of a caribinieri's MP5 telling you to scoot, in Italian.  Good times, that Italy.


Or you can be like my friend and accept an (apparently) closed Coke on a train and wake up several days later in the hospital with no money and no passport.  Good times, that Italy

.

FarkingReading: If you're a women and you visit Italy, don't be surprised if they follow you around making a wanking motion.


Only if you make eye contact.  Or are breathing.
 
2017-07-14 12:28:08 PM  

BKITU: And there are many varieties to choose from, from caffé' macchiato - stained with a swirl of milk, to caffé corretto - an espresso corrected with a shot of grappa or cognac.
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I think it was two winters ago where the big internet fad was hot chocolate with red wine, which wasn't too bad. So I can totally see espresso with cognac being pretty damn good.
 
2017-07-14 12:28:27 PM  
I absolutely abhor the hipster scene with a passion. But I do have to credit them for one thing. I was recently visiting a friend in Portland and she took me to a coffee shop that was known for having amazing coffee. The menu only listed the type of beans. It didn't have all this bullshiat mocha frap whipped shlip shlap decaff non-dairy soy vegan decaf caf vanilla tea gluten free stuff.

It was all black coffee. Didn't even have creamer or sugar on the tables. Every cup was the same size and every blend was the same price. You went in, plomped 4 bucks down and walked out with a cup of joe. Apparently the owners were coffee connoisseurs to a fault and would only buy beans in person. They had this giant machine in the back of the shop where they were constantly tediously roasting the beans.

Yeah it was pretentious as hell. But I'll be damned if it wasn't some of the smoothest and tastiest coffee I've ever had.
 
2017-07-14 12:29:21 PM  
I drink the cheap instant cappuccino shiat from the gas station. I would love to see coffee afficianados head asplode when they hear that.
 
2017-07-14 12:29:23 PM  
As well they should. I normally don't give a fark what people order at restaurants or coffee places, but if your coffee order has more than, like, 5 words in it ... maybe just stay home and make it yourself.

(shrug)

I know some people order soy milk because of a lactose intolerance. So that's not douchey, but ... whatever. I mostly order a latte. I add whatever else I want. It's just coffee.
 
2017-07-14 12:30:04 PM  
Harris Telemacher not amused.

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/It's the new cruelty
 
2017-07-14 12:30:33 PM  

Random Anonymous Blackmail: FarkingReading

If you're a women and you visit Italy, don't be surprised if they follow you around making a wanking motion.

I am pretty sure you will see that in Orlando also.


Or on a tour of the White House.
 
2017-07-14 12:31:50 PM  
Caffé corretto con fernet branca, per favore.
 
2017-07-14 12:33:03 PM  

lordjupiter: Americans are pretentious, overprivileged snobs.  Podcast at 11


I am not pretentious. My invisible friend will confirm it.
 
2017-07-14 12:33:15 PM  

FarkingReading: If you're a women and you visit Italy, don't be surprised if they follow you around making a wanking motion.


Friend of mine got a job in Italy working with the Vatican to authenticate antiquities and work on translations, and she left after only a year, coming back to the States with some valuable experience, but the reason she left was how much she got harassed, not just by the usual Vespa drivers rolling around town, but by her own colleagues. Being a single American woman, working in Italy is not for the faint of heart. Or even someone who is kind of tough and prepared for it. While she loved the country, and the people, the culture in academia is frighteningly toxic. The assumption was that she'd slept her way to the position in the first place, so that meant that she was fair game and open to EVERY asshat on her team, or in the building for that matter. In part, because she was pretty and American. Fluent in Italian just meant that she heard EVERY half assed remark that everyone in the building made about her as she passed by--and the assumption was for those who didn't know her, was that she was just a blonde bimbo who the Director was keeping around as a toy...
 
2017-07-14 12:33:26 PM  

fappomatic: lordjupiter: Americans are pretentious, overprivileged snobs.  Podcast at 11

I am not pretentious. My invisible friend will confirm it.


Jim?
 
2017-07-14 12:33:46 PM  
I'm gonna walk in and saw with a big smile "Boy howdy, can you get me one of them there unicorn frappucinos?"
 
2017-07-14 12:33:58 PM  
So let me get this straight...

Latte - espresso coffee topped with steamed milk (heavier)
cappuccino - espresso coffee topped with frothed milk (lighter)

?
 
2017-07-14 12:34:02 PM  
I went to a Starbucks in Berlin and got laughed at for correctly pronouncing "latte" the correct way we correctly pronounce it in Seattle.  Yeah, I get you're an ubermensch, but you still work in a farking Starbucks.  Also they wouldn't take my Starbucks gift card.
 
2017-07-14 12:34:16 PM  
How do you spot the American tourist in Italy?  They're the ones ordering lattes/cappuccinos after 10am.
 
2017-07-14 12:34:17 PM  

Priapetic: FarkingReading: If you're a women and you visit Italy, don't be surprised if they follow you around making a wanking motion.Only if you make eye contact. Or are breathing.


Nah, they'll crack open a cold one from time to time, too.
 
2017-07-14 12:38:08 PM  

Priapetic: Harris Telemacher not amused.

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/It's the new cruelty


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He gets it
 
2017-07-14 12:38:16 PM  

Priapetic: Or you can be like my friend and accept an (apparently) closed Coke on a train and wake up several days later in the hospital with no money and no passport. Good times, that Italy


That sounds less good than mine, to be perfectly honest.  I drank Fanta, what little soda I had there.  That's probably the difference.
 
2017-07-14 12:38:25 PM  

wejash: So Italians are pretentious snots about something just as much as the French.


no the "pretentious snots" are the people the people who's Starbucks order consists of a paragraphs worth of instructions. or use the Italian word for 20 inside of saying large....basically...people who patronize Starbucks.
 
2017-07-14 12:39:02 PM  
coffee nazi ?
 
2017-07-14 12:40:01 PM  

hubiestubert: FarkingReading: If you're a women and you visit Italy, don't be surprised if they follow you around making a wanking motion.

Friend of mine got a job in Italy working with the Vatican to authenticate antiquities and work on translations, and she left after only a year, coming back to the States with some valuable experience, but the reason she left was how much she got harassed, not just by the usual Vespa drivers rolling around town, but by her own colleagues. Being a single American woman, working in Italy is not for the faint of heart. Or even someone who is kind of tough and prepared for it. While she loved the country, and the people, the culture in academia is frighteningly toxic. The assumption was that she'd slept her way to the position in the first place, so that meant that she was fair game and open to EVERY asshat on her team, or in the building for that matter. In part, because she was pretty and American. Fluent in Italian just meant that she heard EVERY half assed remark that everyone in the building made about her as she passed by--and the assumption was for those who didn't know her, was that she was just a blonde bimbo who the Director was keeping around as a toy...


Is she available now? How are her jugs? Tell her I asked about them, please.
 
2017-07-14 12:40:33 PM  

horrible: I went to a Starbucks in Berlin and got laughed at for correctly pronouncing "latte" the correct way we correctly pronounce it in Seattle.  Yeah, I get you're an ubermensch, but you still work in a farking Starbucks.  Also they wouldn't take my Starbucks gift card.


because the gift card is only good in the US. most promotional items like gift cards don't work across borders.
 
2017-07-14 12:40:35 PM  

factoryconnection: I'm glad I'm not some serious coffee aficionado.  I just ordered "cappuccino" at the cafes in Italy and rolled with it.

Style note: alternating cappucinos and bottles of vino on a cafe crawl is fun, can potentially last forever, but will most likely end with you sleeping in a planter or fountain and being awoken by the poke of a caribinieri's MP5 telling you to scoot, in Italian.  Good times, that Italy.


This. Well, to the exception of getting told by the local law to piss off, this is what I did in Spain. Sure, they're not as nuts with the coffee, but it was coffee + beer + wine + coffee + beer + wine + coffee + beer + wine + coffee + beer + wine + water (2 euros!?) + beer + wine + coffee + beer + agua de Valencia (which is sparkly wine + orange juice) + coffee + beer + wine + coffee + aguardiente + wine + coffee (with aguardiente) + beer + wine + water (I need water) + beer + wine + coffee + beer + wine + coffee + beer + wine + coffee + beer + wine + coffee + beer + wine, not to mention the food (OMFG the food!).

Sure, at this point the liver was begging me for the sweet, sweet release of death, but at this time I was back in Mexico, so it was a time to rebalance everything.

/Did I mention that one month before I was working on a project in Tepoztlan
//Back there it was Mezcal + coffee + beer, sometimes bitter hot cocoa
///Great times
 
2017-07-14 12:42:28 PM  
The Shakerato sounds delicious. I bet it would work using cold brew concentrate instead of espresso with some condensed milk to sweeten it. A+++ article.
 
2017-07-14 12:43:20 PM  
Tourist areas, you'll usually get what you want whether or not it's "proper".  But, if you wander in a local's place, you'll probably just get an eye roll and served the usual drink for that time of day.  Yes, they are judging you as uncivilized.  Don't let it ruin your trip.
 
2017-07-14 12:45:11 PM  

Priapetic: Harris Telemacher not amused.

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/It's the new cruelty


Probably my most favourite movie of all time.
/yes, really
 
2017-07-14 12:46:33 PM  

jayphat: I drink the cheap instant cappuccino shiat from the gas station. I would love to see coffee afficianados head asplode when they hear that.


i doubt they care what you do
 
2017-07-14 12:46:55 PM  
Going into a place and ordering something not on the menu makes you an asshole.
 
2017-07-14 12:48:00 PM  
I'll just bring this in and ask them to make it.
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2017-07-14 12:48:07 PM  
Just order a "regular" coffee in New England and see what you get.
 
2017-07-14 12:48:15 PM  
I didn't see it in the article, but some places expect that Americans want their coffee watered down. It isn't meant as an insult but more to avoid people complaining when they order cafe and just get the small espresso. So you get your espresso cup and a shot of hot water to pour into it. From my experience, I never would ask for the water (some places would see if I wanted it and I'd decline) but in places where I was not asked about half the time I would actually be given one. And man, the cappuccino over there in the Reggio E area is terrific.
 
2017-07-14 12:48:22 PM  
I stayed at a hostel in Rome, and the owner served the worst farking coffee I've ever had in my damn life.  It tasted like the juice you get when you take a used coffee filter with the beans and squeeze it.

I gorged on Cacio 'e Pepe almost every day though.  Rome is absolutely enchanting.
 
2017-07-14 12:48:57 PM  

RedVentrue: Going into a place and ordering something not on the menu makes you an asshole.



^
 
2017-07-14 12:49:33 PM  

lordjupiter: Americans are pretentious, overprivileged snobs.  Podcast at 11


I figured we would be uncultured hillbillys before pretentious.
 
2017-07-14 12:49:49 PM  

wejash: So Italians are pretentious snots about something just as much as the French.


Well, the French take snottiness to another level these days, like dumping the equivalent 90,000 bottles of "non-compliant wine".

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2017-07-14 12:49:54 PM  

JesterJoker55: I absolutely abhor the hipster scene with a passion. But I do have to credit them for one thing. I was recently visiting a friend in Portland and she took me to a coffee shop that was known for having amazing coffee. The menu only listed the type of beans. It didn't have all this bullshiat mocha frap whipped shlip shlap decaff non-dairy soy vegan decaf caf vanilla tea gluten free stuff.

It was all black coffee. Didn't even have creamer or sugar on the tables. Every cup was the same size and every blend was the same price. You went in, plomped 4 bucks down and walked out with a cup of joe. Apparently the owners were coffee connoisseurs to a fault and would only buy beans in person. They had this giant machine in the back of the shop where they were constantly tediously roasting the beans.

Yeah it was pretentious as hell. But I'll be damned if it wasn't some of the smoothest and tastiest coffee I've ever had.


I grew up between the states and Colombia.  And my family owned large coffee farms.  I am not much of a coffee drinker, but in Colombia you get a tiny cup of very strong coffee and you add just a tidbit of sugar.  It is delicious.

The hipsters who own that coffee shop might get good beans, but they get scammed.  They go to Colombia(or other places) and they take a tour of the coffee farm, and on those days it is family members dressed up like they are doing the work, they hide the ugly seasonal, homeless workers from them.

Free trade coffee is share cropping, most goes to the owner of the land, and then the sharecroppers sell their beans to a Colombian hipster who then jacks the price up for the gringo hipsters.

They take you to some place that looks like this.

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When this is the reality.

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You see these guys walking around.

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