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(NPR)   DOJ defies court order to turn over Sessions' info on his Russian contacts. So listen kids, it's A-OK to tell a judge to go Fark himself   ( npr.org) divider line
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2017-07-13 08:05:11 AM  
Well that doesn't make him look worse or anything.
 
2017-07-13 08:09:57 AM  
Naughtrev put down what I came here to say.
 
2017-07-13 08:12:39 AM  
so there are at least five more meetings with Russian agents we don't know about yet that are on the forms? One of them Donnie Two Scoops attended?
 
2017-07-13 08:25:42 AM  
You can, but it won't work out very well for you in the end.
 
2017-07-13 08:35:53 AM  

cretinbob: You can, but it won't work out very well for you in the end.


What can the court do? They can't hold the Justice Department in contempt. Well, they can, I guess, but I'm not sure what good it would do. What power do they have to compel the DOJ to release the form?
 
2017-07-13 08:50:51 AM  

timujin: cretinbob: You can, but it won't work out very well for you in the end.

What can the court do? They can't hold the Justice Department in contempt. Well, they can, I guess, but I'm not sure what good it would do. What power do they have to compel the DOJ to release the form?


I hope you guys like your deadlocked judiciary, because this is how you get a deadlocked judiciary.
 
2017-07-13 08:52:03 AM  
So now on top of the perjury charges, we have to wonder if Jeffy boy here is also a lying traitor to his country.
 
2017-07-13 08:57:24 AM  

timujin: What can the court do? They can't hold the Justice Department in contempt. Well, they can, I guess, but I'm not sure what good it would do. What power do they have to compel the DOJ to release the form?


Inherent contempt. (Cue up Ex Parte Robinson.)

From my non-lawyer's understanding, if they literally hold the entire DOJ in contempt, the federal judge can potentially demand the form from every US Attorney who shows up in court; and if the attorney doesn't present it, have the bailiff jail them on the spot on contempt of court. This might tend to make it difficult to prosecute any criminal cases.

They also might initiate proceedings to expel the US AG from practice before the federal bar. That might have the effect of invalidating any submission he is required to sign for submission to the federal courts; or worse, invalidating any submission made under his authority. It gets even harder to litigate anything if you can't make any filings.

Of course, the federal judiciary don't usually take such drastic measures. However, they aren't usually faced with the problem of the nation's chief prosecutor -- and the one responsible for prosecutions of criminal contempt -- from refusing to obey a valid court order.
 
2017-07-13 08:58:03 AM  

Tr0mBoNe: timujin: cretinbob: You can, but it won't work out very well for you in the end.

What can the court do? They can't hold the Justice Department in contempt. Well, they can, I guess, but I'm not sure what good it would do. What power do they have to compel the DOJ to release the form?

I hope you guys like your deadlocked judiciary, because this is how you get a deadlocked judiciary.


Just in case there's any misconception, my question wasn't intended as, "Neener, neener, whatcha gonna do, stupid court?" but rather an honest question as to what power the court has to compel the DOJ to comply with the subpoena.
 
2017-07-13 09:01:49 AM  

timujin: Tr0mBoNe: timujin: cretinbob: You can, but it won't work out very well for you in the end.

What can the court do? They can't hold the Justice Department in contempt. Well, they can, I guess, but I'm not sure what good it would do. What power do they have to compel the DOJ to release the form?

I hope you guys like your deadlocked judiciary, because this is how you get a deadlocked judiciary.

Just in case there's any misconception, my question wasn't intended as, "Neener, neener, whatcha gonna do, stupid court?" but rather an honest question as to what power the court has to compel the DOJ to comply with the subpoena.


I was trying to be snarky, but it takes two sides to have a functional court. Couldn't the court lock out the DOJ and refuse to do anything for them until this is settled?

Crap. They're going to call it a lock out, too... I can see where this is going. The graphics and chryons just write themselves.
 
2017-07-13 09:02:48 AM  
Don't worry.  Someone will leak it to save their own ass.  This has become a familiar cycle.
 
2017-07-13 09:04:42 AM  

abb3w: timujin: What can the court do? They can't hold the Justice Department in contempt. Well, they can, I guess, but I'm not sure what good it would do. What power do they have to compel the DOJ to release the form?

Inherent contempt. (Cue up Ex Parte Robinson.)

From my non-lawyer's understanding, if they literally hold the entire DOJ in contempt, the federal judge can potentially demand the form from every US Attorney who shows up in court; and if the attorney doesn't present it, have the bailiff jail them on the spot on contempt of court. This might tend to make it difficult to prosecute any criminal cases.

They also might initiate proceedings to expel the US AG from practice before the federal bar. That might have the effect of invalidating any submission he is required to sign for submission to the federal courts; or worse, invalidating any submission made under his authority. It gets even harder to litigate anything if you can't make any filings.

Of course, the federal judiciary don't usually take such drastic measures. However, they aren't usually faced with the problem of the nation's chief prosecutor -- and the one responsible for prosecutions of criminal contempt -- from refusing to obey a valid court order.


Interesting. So they could potentially do those things, but likely won't? Is a penalty that won't be levied actually a penalty?
 
2017-07-13 09:06:45 AM  
These so-called judges have no idea what they're talking about.

Nor do they have any jurisdiction over magical trees, where Jefferson Beauregard spent all his time pre-election baking delicious cookies and wafers for all of us.

Except you so-called judges: you don't get any.
 
2017-07-13 09:11:07 AM  

Weaver95: So now on top of the perjury charges, we have to wonder if Jeffy boy here is also a lying traitor to his country.


Wonder?  Ha, that's a funny way to spell "assume as a fact".
 
2017-07-13 09:17:58 AM  

Farking Clown Shoes: These so-called judges have no idea what they're talking about.

Nor do they have any jurisdiction over magical trees, where Jefferson Beauregard spent all his time pre-election baking delicious cookies and wafers for all of us.

Except you so-called judges: you don't get any.


Lovely, could you see Trump and his people start down the 'sovereign citizens' path? The mind just boggles at how messed up that could be...
 
2017-07-13 09:19:39 AM  
Can we just have sessions disbarred already?
 
2017-07-13 09:21:23 AM  

TommyDeuce: Weaver95: So now on top of the perjury charges, we have to wonder if Jeffy boy here is also a lying traitor to his country.

Wonder?  Ha, that's a funny way to spell "assume as a fact".


They. Are. All. Dirty.  All of them.
 
2017-07-13 09:23:33 AM  

abb3w: timujin: What can the court do? They can't hold the Justice Department in contempt. Well, they can, I guess, but I'm not sure what good it would do. What power do they have to compel the DOJ to release the form?

Inherent contempt. (Cue up Ex Parte Robinson.)

From my non-lawyer's understanding, if they literally hold the entire DOJ in contempt, the federal judge can potentially demand the form from every US Attorney who shows up in court; and if the attorney doesn't present it, have the bailiff jail them on the spot on contempt of court. This might tend to make it difficult to prosecute any criminal cases.

They also might initiate proceedings to expel the US AG from practice before the federal bar. That might have the effect of invalidating any submission he is required to sign for submission to the federal courts; or worse, invalidating any submission made under his authority. It gets even harder to litigate anything if you can't make any filings.

Of course, the federal judiciary don't usually take such drastic measures. However, they aren't usually faced with the problem of the nation's chief prosecutor -- and the one responsible for prosecutions of criminal contempt -- from refusing to obey a valid court order.


Makes sense to me.  At the very least, pissing off a judge by ignoring his orders is highly unlikely to help you out when you're appearing in front of him.
 
2017-07-13 09:36:52 AM  

Slives: Farking Clown Shoes: These so-called judges have no idea what they're talking about.

Nor do they have any jurisdiction over magical trees, where Jefferson Beauregard spent all his time pre-election baking delicious cookies and wafers for all of us.

Except you so-called judges: you don't get any.

Lovely, could you see Trump and his people start down the 'sovereign citizens' path? The mind just boggles at how messed up that could be...


Trump already thinks that he is above the law and untouchable, so whose to say that he hasn't? All he needs to do is spout some nonsense about a fringed flag in the courtroom, and the narrative is complete.
 
2017-07-13 09:42:50 AM  
Just a reminder of which members of the "world's greatest deliberative body" said it was OK for Sessions to be AG:

Voted "yes":
D - Joe Manchin III W.Va.
R - Dean Heller Nev.
R - Jerry Moran Kan.
R - Lisa Murkowski Alaska
R - John Barrasso Wyo.
R - Rob Portman Ohio
R - Bill Cassidy La.
R - James Lankford Okla.
R - Ron Johnson Wis.
R - Mike Lee Utah
R - Steve Daines Mont.
R - Roy Blunt Mo.
R - Tom Cotton Ark.
R - John Boozman Ark.
R - Rand Paul Ky.
R - Deb Fischer Neb.
R - Dan Sullivan Alaska
R - Jim Risch Idaho
R - Michael D. Crapo Idaho
R - John Hoeven N.D.
R - Shelley Moore Capito W.Va.
R - Orrin G. Hatch Utah
R - Bob Corker Tenn.
R - John Thune S.D.
R - Michael B. Enzi Wyo.
R - Richard M. Burr N.C.
R - James M. Inhofe Okla.
R - Jeff Flake Ariz.
R - Todd Young Ind.
R - John McCain Ariz.
R - Roger Wicker Miss.
R - Patrick J. Toomey Pa.
R - Thom Tillis N.C.
R - Richard C. Shelby Ala.
R - Tim Scott S.C.
R - Ben Sasse Neb.
R - Marco Rubio Fla.
R - Michael Rounds S.D.
R - Pat Roberts Kan.
R - David Perdue Ga.
R - Mitch McConnell Ky.
R - John Kennedy La.
R - Johnny Isakson Ga.
R - Charles E. Grassley Iowa
R - Lindsey Graham S.C.
R - Cory Gardner Colo.
R - Joni Ernst Iowa
R - Ted Cruz Tex.
R - John Cornyn Tex.
R - Susan Collins Me.
R - Thad Cochran Miss.
R - Lamar Alexander Tenn.
 
2017-07-13 09:46:40 AM  

timujin: cretinbob: You can, but it won't work out very well for you in the end.

What can the court do? They can't hold the Justice Department in contempt. Well, they can, I guess, but I'm not sure what good it would do. What power do they have to compel the DOJ to release the form?


Court Officers on one side, US Marshalls on another.

/sort of like "Three Musketeers" with guns and SWAT teams
 
2017-07-13 09:50:44 AM  

timujin: cretinbob: You can, but it won't work out very well for you in the end.

What can the court do? They can't hold the Justice Department in contempt. Well, they can, I guess, but I'm not sure what good it would do. What power do they have to compel the DOJ to release the form?


Since Sessions both has the decision making power at the DoJ as well as is the individual in questions - couldn't they just jail him?
 
2017-07-13 09:52:44 AM  
But Podesta's laptop!
 
2017-07-13 09:53:19 AM  

OptimisticCynicism: timujin: cretinbob: You can, but it won't work out very well for you in the end.

What can the court do? They can't hold the Justice Department in contempt. Well, they can, I guess, but I'm not sure what good it would do. What power do they have to compel the DOJ to release the form?

Since Sessions both has the decision making power at the DoJ as well as is the individual in questions - couldn't they just jail him?


Who arrests him? Where and when? I'm not being flippant, that's a clusterfark. Can you imagine the marshals surrounding the White House and demanding he come out?
 
2017-07-13 09:53:20 AM  

timujin: Interesting. So they could potentially do those things, but likely won't? Is a penalty that won't be levied actually a penalty?


The reason the penalty probably won't be levied is that most people aren't stuipid enough to trigger the full penalty. Judges tend circumspect in the exertion of their power. Usually, they start with more moderate steps; however, if sufficiently provoked, the more drastic response remains possible.

So, the next step would likely be an order for Sessions to come to a hearing, to explain why the hell he felt justified in outright ignoring the judge's order. If he shows, he can try and give reasons. If the reasons are good, Sessions stays out of jail; if they're bad enough, the judge would likely to merely use inherent contempt against Sessions individually to jaikl him... and then issue a new order for the Acting AG to provide the requested document.

And if Sessions doesn't even show, issuing a bench warrant to be executed by the US Marshals on him personally would seem more likely.

An actual lawyer would likely have a better guess; although even then, they'd be guessing. My impression is that few lawyers have ever seen another lawyer outright ignore a federal judges order. (Appeal, definitely. But Sessions didn't file an appeal, which I understand means he now procedurally mayn't raise any reason it shouldn't have been issued.)
 
2017-07-13 09:53:23 AM  
media0ch-a.akamaihd.net
 
2017-07-13 09:53:29 AM  
Look, if they give in to that request, they'll eventually have to provide information on EVERYONE in government that actively commits treason.  The paperwork will be tremendous.  And, Trump will have to pardon each one individually... wasting time that could be better spent in foreign policy or grabbing a woman's vagina.
 
2017-07-13 09:54:26 AM  

OtherLittleGuy: timujin: cretinbob: You can, but it won't work out very well for you in the end.

What can the court do? They can't hold the Justice Department in contempt. Well, they can, I guess, but I'm not sure what good it would do. What power do they have to compel the DOJ to release the form?

Court Officers on one side, US Marshalls on another.

/sort of like "Three Musketeers" with guns and SWAT teams


It strikes me as highly unlikely that the marshalls, or any other federal LEOs, would interfere with another LEO making an arrest.

Everyone involved would realize how bad that could get and how fast it would get there.
 
2017-07-13 09:54:35 AM  
Looks like a heavily redacted form has been released, clearly showing he checked "No" on the contacts with foreign officials box.
 
2017-07-13 09:55:25 AM  
Something tells me he met with a certain Russian lawyer to talk about "adoptions"
 
2017-07-13 09:55:40 AM  

FishCake: Naughtrev put down what I came here to say.


I can put down what you came to say too.

What you came to say is dumb and it's mother wears army boots.
 
2017-07-13 09:55:44 AM  
farking resign, hate-spawning elf-boy.
 
2017-07-13 09:55:48 AM  
The Rule of Law only applies to the poors. MAGA!
 
2017-07-13 09:55:50 AM  
And when you're an Elf, they let you do it.
 
2017-07-13 10:01:12 AM  
Isn't he also refusing to come testify before the Senate Judiciary Committee? Keeps sending underlings when he, personally, has been summoned?  I remember reading about that recently.
 
2017-07-13 10:02:12 AM  
At last, our enemies have proof that this form of government doesn't work.
 
2017-07-13 10:02:59 AM  
Did the DOJ say that, or did Jeff racist Keebler elf, Russian colluding piece of human trash say that?
 
2017-07-13 10:04:18 AM  
So this our big bad law n order Attorney General? Nice!

Somebody should just plant some weed on him.
 
2017-07-13 10:07:06 AM  

timujin: cretinbob: You can, but it won't work out very well for you in the end.

What can the court do? They can't hold the Justice Department in contempt. Well, they can, I guess, but I'm not sure what good it would do. What power do they have to compel the DOJ to release the form?


The power of Christ compels them.
 
2017-07-13 10:07:28 AM  

SharkInfested: So this our big bad law n order Attorney General?


Disclaimer: Title only applicable in instances of non-white suspects.
 
2017-07-13 10:08:43 AM  

ValisIV: Isn't he also refusing to come testify before the Senate Judiciary Committee? Keeps sending underlings when he, personally, has been summoned?  I remember reading about that recently.


he is hiding from them. He knows that once sworn in Leahy and Franken are waiting to get him to admit perjury. He pissed off Franken in the past  and Leahy is tired of the whole thing.

Once under oath they'll ask him bout the number of Russian contacts and if he deliberately lied to the committee during confirmation and so on.
 
2017-07-13 10:11:03 AM  

thehobbes: ValisIV: Isn't he also refusing to come testify before the Senate Judiciary Committee? Keeps sending underlings when he, personally, has been summoned?  I remember reading about that recently.

he is hiding from them. He knows that once sworn in Leahy and Franken are waiting to get him to admit perjury. He pissed off Franken in the past  and Leahy is tired of the whole thing.

Once under oath they'll ask him bout the number of Russian contacts and if he deliberately lied to the committee during confirmation and so on.


Y'all just been asking me so many questions, and I can't keep up though I sure try. I didn't lie I just got my words all mixed up in my noggin.
 
2017-07-13 10:11:10 AM  
Gosh it's almost as if we've normalized obstruction of justice.
 
2017-07-13 10:12:53 AM  

palelizard: OptimisticCynicism: timujin: cretinbob: You can, but it won't work out very well for you in the end.

What can the court do? They can't hold the Justice Department in contempt. Well, they can, I guess, but I'm not sure what good it would do. What power do they have to compel the DOJ to release the form?

Since Sessions both has the decision making power at the DoJ as well as is the individual in questions - couldn't they just jail him?

Who arrests him? Where and when? I'm not being flippant, that's a clusterfark. Can you imagine the marshals surrounding the White House and demanding he come out?


Yes, but it makes me giggle like a fool so I try not to.

fwiw, I have actually told a Judge to go fark himself.
But, he's our neighbor, and a friend, and the context was entirely jovial.
 
2017-07-13 10:13:27 AM  

somedude210: so there are at least five more meetings with Russian agents we don't know about yet that are on the forms? One of them Donnie Two Scoops attended?


That drip, drip, drip of leaks that are coming out?  It's deliberate to get these idiots to cover up more and more.  Every time something comes out, they dissemble and lie and they tell us, "This wasn't a big deal" and, "That's the end of it."  And then the next week MORE information gets leaked out and wash, rinse, repeat.

I guarantee Robert Mueller is taking notes on ALL OF THIS, and it's going to bring these clowns down.

That racist little leprechaun is going to die in prison.
 
2017-07-13 10:14:14 AM  

Drubell: Gosh it's almost as if we've normalized obstruction of justice.


It's not obstruction of justice if justice and obstruction are not obstructed by the amount of justice that was obstructed.
 
2017-07-13 10:14:24 AM  
Why should "he" turn over his "records" to a "judge" when "clearly" he's "done" "nothing" "wrong" and "frankly" got "nothing" to "hide" because "he" has said he's "innocent" of ANY "wrong" doing EVAR.
 It doesn't make any sense.
Covfefe.
 
2017-07-13 10:14:39 AM  

thehobbes: ValisIV: Isn't he also refusing to come testify before the Senate Judiciary Committee? Keeps sending underlings when he, personally, has been summoned?  I remember reading about that recently.

he is hiding from them. He knows that once sworn in Leahy and Franken are waiting to get him to admit perjury. He pissed off Franken in the past  and Leahy is tired of the whole thing.

Once under oath they'll ask him bout the number of Russian contacts and if he deliberately lied to the committee during confirmation and so on.


I get that, I'm just wondering why they haven't done anything about it, I guess.  And why that's also not just writ huge all over the news.  I hope Mueller at least has gotten him under oath. Sessions needs to be one of the first to go, just to get the rest of the DoJ back to snuff and ready for the purging of traitors from the Executive branch.
 
2017-07-13 10:14:42 AM  

RJReves: [media0ch-a.akamaihd.net image 685x400]


Look at his stupid smirking pink little face. I want to see that face grey and drawn and tear streaked as he's driven away in cuffs.

Make it so.
 
2017-07-13 10:14:59 AM  

naughtyrev: Looks like a heavily redacted form has been released, clearly showing he checked "No" on the contacts with foreign officials box.


That's okay - he can borrow Jared's pencil - there must be just enough eraser left at the end to make one....maybe two....more revisions.
 
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