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(The Hill)   Arkansas becomes the only state to turn over voter data to the Trump integrity commission, says it doesn't violate privacy issues since 2 million voters only sign with an "X"   ( thehill.com) divider line
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2017-07-10 10:50:38 AM  
Gotta uphold that backwater reputation.
 
2017-07-10 11:20:28 AM  
Has construction begun on Mar-A-Lago Little Rock?
 
2017-07-10 12:15:39 PM  
R-kansas?  Shocking.
 
2017-07-10 01:53:04 PM  
Sign what? We don't sign anything here. Just fill in the appropriate dots and feed it into the machine. Our names aren't even on the ballot. They just cross off our name in the voter book when we report to vote.
 
2017-07-10 02:55:30 PM  

jaylectricity: Sign what? We don't sign anything here. Just fill in the appropriate dots and feed it into the machine. Our names aren't even on the ballot. They just cross off our name in the voter book when we report to vote.


In PA we've got to sign in that book next to our name which has our original reference signature next to it
 
2017-07-10 03:57:51 PM  

Munden: jaylectricity: Sign what? We don't sign anything here. Just fill in the appropriate dots and feed it into the machine. Our names aren't even on the ballot. They just cross off our name in the voter book when we report to vote.

In PA we've got to sign in that book next to our name which has our original reference signature next to it


Interesting. Here, if I knew my neighbor was registered, but not going to vote I could go in and say I was him and vote for him.

Of course you have to remember to not go back in with the "I voted" sticker they gave you the first time.
 
2017-07-10 04:29:39 PM  
Good for them. Glad I don't live there
 
2017-07-10 04:29:54 PM  
ARkansas?  is that like , Pirate Kansas?
 
2017-07-10 04:30:12 PM  
According to TFA, they just sent the same list they send anyone who asks, with none of the extra stuff Kobach wanted. I hope that's the case.
 
2017-07-10 04:30:45 PM  
"Trump" and "integrity" have never once been used in the same sentence together in any seriousness.
 
2017-07-10 04:33:53 PM  

jaylectricity: Sign what? We don't sign anything here. Just fill in the appropriate dots and feed it into the machine. Our names aren't even on the ballot. They just cross off our name in the voter book when we report to vote.


Presumably you sign your original registration form?
 
2017-07-10 04:35:14 PM  
They are asking for an individual's voting history.  Isn't that absolutely confidential information and not-even recorded? This has absolutely zilch about preventing non-existent voter fraud  and all about disenfranchisement in preparation for stealing it in 2018 and 20 because they are scared shiatless they can't win without cheating in various ways and this is just part of the strategy.
 
2017-07-10 04:36:22 PM  

A Cave Geek: "Trump" and "integrity" have never once been used in the same sentence together in any seriousness.


Nothing like kissing the orange butt of the ignorant bigot-in-chief so show what a terrible human being you are.

Remember. Arkansas rhymes with Yee-Haw!
 
2017-07-10 04:36:32 PM  

berylman: They are asking for an individual's voting history.  Isn't that absolutely confidential information and not-even recorded? This has absolutely zilch about preventing non-existent voter fraud  and all about disenfranchisement in preparation for stealing it in 2018 and 20 because they are scared shiatless they can't win without cheating in various ways and this is just part of the strategy.


They are asking for where and when you voted, not who you voted for.
 
2017-07-10 04:39:33 PM  

A Cave Geek: "Trump" and "integrity" have never once been used in the same sentence together in any seriousness.


They have been used in the same sentence by people who also have no integrity of their own.
 
2017-07-10 04:39:49 PM  
Can subby enlighten me as to how this would violate privacy issues since voter data is publicly available? Albeit, sometimes with a fee, but it's part of the public record.
 
2017-07-10 04:40:09 PM  
Trump spox:  "From this data received from Arkansas, our experts have determined that all of California voted illegally, therefor Trump actually won the popular vote by the best numbers ever."
 
2017-07-10 04:40:56 PM  

Archidude: berylman: They are asking for an individual's voting history.  Isn't that absolutely confidential information and not-even recorded? This has absolutely zilch about preventing non-existent voter fraud  and all about disenfranchisement in preparation for stealing it in 2018 and 20 because they are scared shiatless they can't win without cheating in various ways and this is just part of the strategy.

They are asking for where and when you voted, not who you voted for.


They are also asking for party affiliation, which is often a very good indicator of who you voted for.
 
2017-07-10 04:41:27 PM  

fernt: Can subby enlighten me as to how this would violate privacy issues since voter data is publicly available? Albeit, sometimes with a fee, but it's part of the public record.


Perhaps you should ask the election officials from the other 49 states who have all concluded that it is a violation.
 
2017-07-10 04:42:42 PM  

litespeed74: ARkansas?  is that like , Pirate Kansas?


Lies, that be. Arkansas be landlocked territory, nowhere the mighty sea.

*adjusts hook hand*
 
2017-07-10 04:43:07 PM  
And miraculously they'll "discover" several thousand "fraudulent" voters that are actually within the normal range of people who have moved or died, etc.   Thus proving Darth MAGA really won the popular vote and is the undisputed Well-Liked Super Great King of the Universe.
 
2017-07-10 04:43:25 PM  

qorkfiend: jaylectricity: Sign what? We don't sign anything here. Just fill in the appropriate dots and feed it into the machine. Our names aren't even on the ballot. They just cross off our name in the voter book when we report to vote.

Presumably you sign your original registration form?


I can't even remember it was so long ago, but I'm sure you're right.
 
2017-07-10 04:43:44 PM  

jaylectricity: Munden: jaylectricity: Sign what? We don't sign anything here. Just fill in the appropriate dots and feed it into the machine. Our names aren't even on the ballot. They just cross off our name in the voter book when we report to vote.

In PA we've got to sign in that book next to our name which has our original reference signature next to it

Interesting. Here, if I knew my neighbor was registered, but not going to vote I could go in and say I was him and vote for him.

Of course you have to remember to not go back in with the "I voted" sticker they gave you the first time.


In Mississippi they have us sign on a line in a different book.  The last three times I voted.  Local election this year, Primary and General last year.  My daughter who moved away two years ago was listed right there next to my wife and I.  No, we didn't vote for her.  She voted in her new state.
 
2017-07-10 04:45:35 PM  

anfrind: They are also asking for party affiliation, which is often a very good indicator of who you voted for.


I know some people who are registered republicans who don't that way at all, at least not now, so I guess they are in the clear. Shame about all those robocalls they get.
 
2017-07-10 04:49:03 PM  
Wtf, just a few days agoGov Hutchinson said he said he opposed giving up any sensitive data. fark this state I live in. https://twitter.com/asahutchinson/status/882639454221021184
 
2017-07-10 04:51:27 PM  
The request, signed by commission vice chairman and Kansas Secretary of State Kris Kobach (R), was for information publicly available under each state's laws.

Not that I don't see this 'commission' for what it really is, but I do have to wonder why this guy had to 'request' this information from the states if it is publicly available? Or does 'publicly available' just mean you can get it from the state if you ask for it?

I guess all I'm saying is that if any Tom, Dick, or Harry can ask the state for this information and get it because it is publicly available, I'm not totally sure what all the outrage is about? Or perhaps more likely, I guess it seems the outrage is misdirected and rather should be at the fact that such information actually IS publicly available and not at this commission for asking for it.
 
2017-07-10 04:52:30 PM  

Munden: jaylectricity: Sign what? We don't sign anything here. Just fill in the appropriate dots and feed it into the machine. Our names aren't even on the ballot. They just cross off our name in the voter book when we report to vote.

In PA we've got to sign in that book next to our name which has our original reference signature next to it


We now have poll pads in Ohio (iPads with a scanner) that scans a license/ID or has access to the entire voter database. If someone doesn't have their license and you search for them you have to verify their name and address.....then (in both instances) they have to sign on the poll pad.

/had a few white trash voters who said "why would anyone object to giving you an ID?"
 
2017-07-10 04:55:02 PM  
Nobody does authoritarian worshipping obsequiousness like the South.
 
2017-07-10 04:55:04 PM  

jaylectricity: Munden: jaylectricity: Sign what? We don't sign anything here. Just fill in the appropriate dots and feed it into the machine. Our names aren't even on the ballot. They just cross off our name in the voter book when we report to vote.

In PA we've got to sign in that book next to our name which has our original reference signature next to it

Interesting. Here, if I knew my neighbor was registered, but not going to vote I could go in and say I was him and vote for him.

Of course you have to remember to not go back in with the "I voted" sticker they gave you the first time.


This is how Red States stay red in light of a 30 year track record of abject failure.
 
2017-07-10 04:56:56 PM  
I hate my state.
 
2017-07-10 04:59:02 PM  

lefthanded bastard: I hate my state.


Lots of jobs and happy people on the west coast.  Just sayin.
 
2017-07-10 04:59:32 PM  
HOME OF TEH CLINTON'S!!!!
 
2017-07-10 05:00:06 PM  

theknuckler_33: The request, signed by commission vice chairman and Kansas Secretary of State Kris Kobach (R), was for information publicly available under each state's laws.

Not that I don't see this 'commission' for what it really is, but I do have to wonder why this guy had to 'request' this information from the states if it is publicly available? Or does 'publicly available' just mean you can get it from the state if you ask for it?

I guess all I'm saying is that if any Tom, Dick, or Harry can ask the state for this information and get it because it is publicly available, I'm not totally sure what all the outrage is about? Or perhaps more likely, I guess it seems the outrage is misdirected and rather should be at the fact that such information actually IS publicly available and not at this commission for asking for it.


Have you tried getting that information?

It's individually publicly available. As in, if you have the details necessary you can look up a person's voting registration. In NY, that means first name, last name, date of birth, zip code, and county. For each record.

They want the full database, delivered en masse, and it is NOT publicly available in that form by any measure.
 
2017-07-10 05:03:39 PM  
If you voted properly, why would you be concerned if someone found out about your improper voting record?
 
2017-07-10 05:05:09 PM  

anfrind: Archidude: berylman: They are asking for an individual's voting history.  Isn't that absolutely confidential information and not-even recorded? This has absolutely zilch about preventing non-existent voter fraud  and all about disenfranchisement in preparation for stealing it in 2018 and 20 because they are scared shiatless they can't win without cheating in various ways and this is just part of the strategy.

They are asking for where and when you voted, not who you voted for.

They are also asking for party affiliation, which is often a very good indicator of who you voted for.


All that info is public. I don't know about all the other states, but here in California, anyone can buy the voter rolls, containing: name, residence address, mailing address, phone number (optionally supplied by voter) ,party, date of registration, image id of signature, military status (whether on active duty or not), gender, whether permanently voting absentee, state of birth, date of birth, and whether the person voted in any of the last 20 elections and if so whether in person or absentee.
 
2017-07-10 05:05:16 PM  
This Will Not Stand!
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2017-07-10 05:08:53 PM  

Bloody William: theknuckler_33: The request, signed by commission vice chairman and Kansas Secretary of State Kris Kobach (R), was for information publicly available under each state's laws.

Not that I don't see this 'commission' for what it really is, but I do have to wonder why this guy had to 'request' this information from the states if it is publicly available? Or does 'publicly available' just mean you can get it from the state if you ask for it?

I guess all I'm saying is that if any Tom, Dick, or Harry can ask the state for this information and get it because it is publicly available, I'm not totally sure what all the outrage is about? Or perhaps more likely, I guess it seems the outrage is misdirected and rather should be at the fact that such information actually IS publicly available and not at this commission for asking for it.

Have you tried getting that information?

It's individually publicly available. As in, if you have the details necessary you can look up a person's voting registration. In NY, that means first name, last name, date of birth, zip code, and county. For each record.

They want the full database, delivered en masse, and it is NOT publicly available in that form by any measure.


That's interesting. But a little googling makes it seem that it's not quite as restricted as you make it sound. This Forbes piece seems to indicate that you can get the info en mass as long as you have the time and know-how.

And how can the data be used? While each state sets its own rules, voter data from every state is available for some uses. If you've noticed poll watchers at your polling place, you were seeing voter data in action, used by a campaign to keep track of who has and has not voted, to guide phone banks and other efforts to bring out the vote. Many states put no restrictions on use, so voter data may also be used for issue politics, charitable solicitation and commercial marketing.
But voter data records are not necessarily easy for most people to obtain or use. Reaching out to governments for data requires a certain level of know-how just to make the request, let alone to work with large and often complex data files. That's why specialists, such as GOP Data Center (for Republicans) and NGP VAN (for Democrats) supply data in accessible forms for election campaigns. Political software firm NationBuilder has released a statement acknowledging that some of the data may have come from "data [NationBuilder makes] available for free to campaigns."
 
2017-07-10 05:09:25 PM  

Bloody William: They want the full database, delivered en masse, and it is NOT publicly available in that form by any measure.


Sure it is. I've purchased full California databases in the past. Political  parties do it all the time, and so do individual campaigns and companies in the business of processing the info and making derivative databases available (want to know who the left-handed, red-headed independents who drive Subarus are? Somebody will create that database for you). That's how "get out the vote" drives, among others, know who to contact.
 
2017-07-10 05:12:36 PM  

lordjupiter: And miraculously they'll "discover" several thousand "fraudulent" voters that are actually within the normal range of people who have moved or died, etc.   Thus proving Darth MAGA really won the popular vote and is the undisputed Well-Liked Super Great King of the Universe.


Don't worry.  They'll scrub all this data before (if) they leave office, so there won't be any evidence to look at to counter the claims. It's the Republican way.
 
2017-07-10 05:12:43 PM  
If they're so concerned about double voting, why not dip a thumb in a jar of ink.

Seems foolproof, and other countries do it. Iraq comes to mind.
 
2017-07-10 05:24:19 PM  
I strongly object to the last 4 of SSN as well.  My experience, looking at my family's SSN's, the first 3 digits seem to be indicative of the state it was issued.  The middle are random.  And they want the last 4.  Basically, it would take a lucky educated guess at the state where it was issued, then there are a total of 100 possible combination of the middle two digits and then a freebie on the last 4.  Anyone hacking it (and let's face it, we all know they won't be super encrypt-ey about this) would have a field day.  How is this publicly available anyway??
 
2017-07-10 05:24:47 PM  

Lexx0001: If they're so concerned about double voting, why not dip a thumb in a jar of ink.

Seems foolproof, and other countries do it. Iraq comes to mind.


It's why they give you the "I voted" sticker at the polling place...
 
2017-07-10 05:25:24 PM  

A Cave Geek: "Trump" and "integrity" have never once been used in the same sentence together in any seriousness.


Trump has no integrity.
 
2017-07-10 05:26:12 PM  

Munden: jaylectricity: Sign what? We don't sign anything here. Just fill in the appropriate dots and feed it into the machine. Our names aren't even on the ballot. They just cross off our name in the voter book when we report to vote.

In PA we've got to sign in that book next to our name which has our original reference signature next to it


And they write down your name in a book on numbered lines.  Wouldn't be too hard to figure out who you voted for.
 
2017-07-10 05:27:11 PM  

jjorsett: Bloody William: They want the full database, delivered en masse, and it is NOT publicly available in that form by any measure.

Sure it is. I've purchased full California databases in the past. Political  parties do it all the time, and so do individual campaigns and companies in the business of processing the info and making derivative databases available (want to know who the left-handed, red-headed independents who drive Subarus are? Somebody will create that database for you). That's how "get out the vote" drives, among others, know who to contact.


Someone's read Starship Troopers.
 
2017-07-10 05:30:42 PM  

BizarreMan: jaylectricity: Munden: jaylectricity: Sign what? We don't sign anything here. Just fill in the appropriate dots and feed it into the machine. Our names aren't even on the ballot. They just cross off our name in the voter book when we report to vote.

In PA we've got to sign in that book next to our name which has our original reference signature next to it

Interesting. Here, if I knew my neighbor was registered, but not going to vote I could go in and say I was him and vote for him.

Of course you have to remember to not go back in with the "I voted" sticker they gave you the first time.

In Mississippi they have us sign on a line in a different book.  The last three times I voted.  Local election this year, Primary and General last year.  My daughter who moved away two years ago was listed right there next to my wife and I.  No, we didn't vote for her.  She voted in her new state.


Well, according to Trump, your daughter is a felon who voted illegally and therefore Hillary Clinton lost by over 100,000,000 votes.

Seriously, who is going to bother contacting the election board in a place they're moving away from?  And even if you do, it's not like the election board mouthbreathers who got their job through nepotism are actually going to bother removing you from the rolls.
 
2017-07-10 05:33:18 PM  

fernt: Can subby enlighten me as to how this would violate privacy issues since voter data is publicly available? Albeit, sometimes with a fee, but it's part of the public record.


I didn't know my last four SS digits were public record.
 
2017-07-10 05:33:29 PM  

Rand Paul's Anus is Leaking: lefthanded bastard: I hate my state.

Lots of jobs and happy people on the west coast.  Just sayin.


Same thing on the east coast, especially in the northeas....ok, we have jobs.
 
2017-07-10 05:37:11 PM  

Great_Milenko: BizarreMan: jaylectricity: Munden: jaylectricity: Sign what? We don't sign anything here. Just fill in the appropriate dots and feed it into the machine. Our names aren't even on the ballot. They just cross off our name in the voter book when we report to vote.

In PA we've got to sign in that book next to our name which has our original reference signature next to it

Interesting. Here, if I knew my neighbor was registered, but not going to vote I could go in and say I was him and vote for him.

Of course you have to remember to not go back in with the "I voted" sticker they gave you the first time.

In Mississippi they have us sign on a line in a different book.  The last three times I voted.  Local election this year, Primary and General last year.  My daughter who moved away two years ago was listed right there next to my wife and I.  No, we didn't vote for her.  She voted in her new state.

Well, according to Trump, your daughter is a felon who voted illegally and therefore Hillary Clinton lost by over 100,000,000 votes.

Seriously, who is going to bother contacting the election board in a place they're moving away from?  And even if you do, it's not like the election board mouthbreathers who got their job through nepotism are actually going to bother removing you from the rolls.


Fun part is she just moved again.  So she'll be registering in another state.
 
2017-07-10 05:38:38 PM  

Great_Milenko: BizarreMan: jaylectricity: Munden: jaylectricity: Sign what? We don't sign anything here. Just fill in the appropriate dots and feed it into the machine. Our names aren't even on the ballot. They just cross off our name in the voter book when we report to vote.

In PA we've got to sign in that book next to our name which has our original reference signature next to it

Interesting. Here, if I knew my neighbor was registered, but not going to vote I could go in and say I was him and vote for him.

Of course you have to remember to not go back in with the "I voted" sticker they gave you the first time.

In Mississippi they have us sign on a line in a different book.  The last three times I voted.  Local election this year, Primary and General last year.  My daughter who moved away two years ago was listed right there next to my wife and I.  No, we didn't vote for her.  She voted in her new state.

Well, according to Trump, your daughter is a felon who voted illegally and therefore Hillary Clinton lost by over 100,000,000 votes.

Seriously, who is going to bother contacting the election board in a place they're moving away from?  And even if you do, it's not like the election board mouthbreathers who got their job through nepotism are actually going to bother removing you from the rolls.


It's also not a crime. If memory serves there are multiple members of the administration, including Trump family members, who are registered in multiple states.
 
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