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(Mediaite)   Why don't Americans trust the media? Because newspapers like Washington Post are full of shiat   ( mediaite.com) divider line
    More: Obvious, Hodgkinson, James Hodgkinson, United States Congress, right-leaning shock jock, George W. Bush, Hodgkinson guy, Bob Romanik, Louisiana  
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2017-07-08 08:55:49 PM  
Byron York tweeted about this. Holy shiat. This is groundbreaking!
 
2017-07-08 09:00:42 PM  
I am getting really farking tired that when random folks post something on twitter its now news
 
2017-07-08 09:04:59 PM  
Did mediaite get bought by some right wing outfit? The tone of posts from them have seemed to changed drastically
 
2017-07-08 09:10:12 PM  
What about that article wasn't factual? It's talking about the violent, hyper-partisan rhetoric on talk radio. Even though the Scalise shooter wasn't that stripe, there have been plenty of others on the Right who were driven to violence because of it, and the general atmosphere is being more violent and it all needs to be dialed back.
 
2017-07-08 09:14:56 PM  
They need to retool that headline. They don't want to be seen as a liberal version of Fox News. An organisation which bends facts to meet their narrative
 
2017-07-08 09:15:48 PM  
The hate the Washington Post gets from both sides is a pretty good indicator that it is pretty balanced, presenting both side's positions. People prefer to hate stuff they don't like than appreciate stuff they do, so the Post is hated.

The Post leans Democratic, which will draw howls of protest from people on the left, even when presented with the empirical evidence that 2/3 of their political endorsements and 100% of their presidential ones have been for Democrats.
 
2017-07-08 09:17:15 PM  

WI241TH: Did mediaite get bought by some right wing outfit? The tone of posts from them have seemed to changed drastically


i remember a few years ago when it was a sane place to discuss things from both sides of the aisle.
Then the wing nuts took over posting there
 
2017-07-08 09:20:02 PM  

vygramul: The hate the Washington Post gets from both sides is a pretty good indicator that it is pretty balanced, presenting both side's positions. People prefer to hate stuff they don't like than appreciate stuff they do, so the Post is hated.

The Post leans Democratic, which will draw howls of protest from people on the left, even when presented with the empirical evidence that 2/3 of their political endorsements and 100% of their presidential ones have been for Democrats.


This is probably the best way to measure fairness today. When both sides of an argument can put their differences aside to agree that the messenger needs to be shot it says a lot.
 
2017-07-08 09:33:51 PM  

sithon: They need to retool that headline. They don't want to be seen as a liberal version of Fox News. An organisation which bends facts to meet their narrative


The headline and article are accurate and descriptive. "In Alexandria shooter's hometown, rage-filled radio host channels middle America's inner frustration". They article explains that the show has a lot of "disgruntled democrats" as fans, which fits the Alexandria shooter's profile. It isn't trying to paint the shooter as a Republican. The radio host, Romanik, is the one speculating he was a listener, and acknowledges that it's merely speculation:

"I can't say for sure if this Hodgkinson guy listened to me, but he probably did," Romanik said in a recent interview. "If people would be honest about what drove Hodgkinson to the point of violence, you'd probably see a lot of people right on the same page with him all over the country. But around here, for sure."

What do you see as the problem with the headline? How would you change it?
 
2017-07-08 09:45:03 PM  

T Baggins: sithon: They need to retool that headline. They don't want to be seen as a liberal version of Fox News. An organisation which bends facts to meet their narrative

The headline and article are accurate and descriptive. "In Alexandria shooter's hometown, rage-filled radio host channels middle America's inner frustration". They article explains that the show has a lot of "disgruntled democrats" as fans, which fits the Alexandria shooter's profile. It isn't trying to paint the shooter as a Republican. The radio host, Romanik, is the one speculating he was a listener, and acknowledges that it's merely speculation:

"I can't say for sure if this Hodgkinson guy listened to me, but he probably did," Romanik said in a recent interview. "If people would be honest about what drove Hodgkinson to the point of violence, you'd probably see a lot of people right on the same page with him all over the country. But around here, for sure."

What do you see as the problem with the headline? How would you change it?


It implies without saying it that the killer was motivated by the right wing radio host which is untrue.
It's Weasley , it's something that Fox News would do.
 
2017-07-08 11:41:13 PM  

WI241TH: Did mediaite get bought by some right wing outfit? The tone of posts from them have seemed to changed drastically


I see the check from Sinclair must have cleared.
 
2017-07-08 11:44:25 PM  

vygramul: The hate the Washington Post gets from both sides is a pretty good indicator that it is pretty balanced, presenting both side's positions. People prefer to hate stuff they don't like than appreciate stuff they do, so the Post is hated.

The Post leans Democratic, which will draw howls of protest from people on the left, even when presented with the empirical evidence that 2/3 of their political endorsements and 100% of their presidential ones have been for Democrats.


My gripe has always been the hawkish stance they take towards foreign policy.

But when you see all the ads for Defense contractors in there, it's not that big of a surprise.
 
2017-07-08 11:46:16 PM  
I don't trust the media because some tried to legitimize and normalize our president.  That's not normal or presidential.
 
2017-07-08 11:50:04 PM  

vygramul: The hate the Washington Post gets from both sides is a pretty good indicator that it is pretty balanced, presenting both side's positions. People prefer to hate stuff they don't like than appreciate stuff they do, so the Post is hated.

The Post leans Democratic, which will draw howls of protest from people on the left, even when presented with the empirical evidence that 2/3 of their political endorsements and 100% of their presidential ones have been for Democrats.


I would put a contention that it's not so much leaning towards the Democrats and liberal ideals as much as Bezos has taken a "No f**ks shall be given about Donald" policy. Good solid reporting on Trump's failures is what the owner wants, but I suspect that he (Bezos) would authorize the printing of anti-factual wharrgarrbl if it made Trump look even worse.

But even still, calling out Republicans on their crap, if only for the joy of spite, is still appreciated.
 
2017-07-08 11:51:06 PM  
I only get my news from the finest InfoWars comment sections.
 
2017-07-08 11:51:51 PM  

vygramul: The Post leans Democratic, which will draw howls of protest from people on the left, even when presented with the empirical evidence that 2/3 of their political endorsements and 100% of their presidential ones have been for Democrats.


Reality has a liberal bias
 
2017-07-08 11:53:34 PM  

Girl From The North Country: vygramul: The Post leans Democratic, which will draw howls of protest from people on the left, even when presented with the empirical evidence that 2/3 of their political endorsements and 100% of their presidential ones have been for Democrats.

Reality has a liberal bias


68.media.tumblr.com

Sparklers have a liberal bias.
 
2017-07-08 11:55:11 PM  

Snarcoleptic_Hoosier: vygramul: The hate the Washington Post gets from both sides is a pretty good indicator that it is pretty balanced, presenting both side's positions. People prefer to hate stuff they don't like than appreciate stuff they do, so the Post is hated.

The Post leans Democratic, which will draw howls of protest from people on the left, even when presented with the empirical evidence that 2/3 of their political endorsements and 100% of their presidential ones have been for Democrats.

I would put a contention that it's not so much leaning towards the Democrats and liberal ideals as much as Bezos has taken a "No f**ks shall be given about Donald" policy. Good solid reporting on Trump's failures is what the owner wants, but I suspect that he (Bezos) would authorize the printing of anti-factual wharrgarrbl if it made Trump look even worse.

But even still, calling out Republicans on their crap, if only for the joy of spite, is still appreciated.


It's worth mentioning that the Editor of the Washington Post was the Editor of the Boston Globe when they uncovered the sex abuse coverups in the Catholic Church.

If he was willing to take on the Catholic Church in Boston, he's probably willing to take on someone like Trump.
 
2017-07-08 11:59:28 PM  

WI241TH: Did mediaite get bought by some right wing outfit? The tone of posts from them have seemed to changed drastically


They were influenced by the comments section. When the trolls came, they thought that meant their readership was leaning right. So they would post job offers for right wing writers (they always use the word slant).
There was a post the other day about some poet that talks about her ankles. She mentioned on Twitter she made the mistake of reading the comments. Never read the comments
 
2017-07-08 11:59:34 PM  

cman: I am getting really farking tired that when random folks post something on twitter its now news


What?  Did Bella Hadid post another selfie from her hotel bathroom again?
 
2017-07-09 12:00:37 AM  
A who's who list of the biggest liars alive are upset?  Well then.
 
2017-07-09 12:03:36 AM  
Yeah, they're not "full of shiat", subby. The radio host exists in that dudes hometown, and he spews right wing bullshiat. That's a fact. It isn't the same thing as saying that the host personally tod this dude to shoot a Senator.

That would be more up Fox News, Breitbart, or Alex Jones' alley.
 
2017-07-09 12:06:18 AM  

Mrtraveler01: It's worth mentioning that the Editor of the Washington Post was the Editor of the Boston Globe when they uncovered the sex abuse coverups in the Catholic Church.

If he was willing to take on the Catholic Church in Boston, he's probably willing to take on someone like Trump.


That's a fair enough counterpoint. At least the Post still has Jennifer Rubin, the one conservative op-ed writer that still believes the Eisenhower branch of the party is still kicking. Sort of like that one guy who continues to use VHS tapes for non-nostalgic reasons.
 
2017-07-09 12:07:24 AM  
WaPo did not "suggest it." It was an article about the right wing, racist shock jock, Bob Romanik, not the Scalise shooting. Romanik said that Hodgkinson listened. It wasn't the reporter. Reporters are not supposed to change quotes. It was only one example of the many, many examples of Romanik's attention whoring.
 
2017-07-09 12:11:33 AM  

WI241TH: Did mediaite get bought by some right wing outfit? The tone of posts from them have seemed to changed drastically


They've always called out bullshiat, whether it be left- or right-wing.

/If you want your liberal safe space, you need to go to their sister org, The Mary Sue.
 
2017-07-09 12:11:38 AM  

cman: I am getting really farking tired that when random folks post something on twitter its now news


But then Jonah Goldberg said "Wow." That merits a follow-up article.
 
2017-07-09 12:13:48 AM  
No, they aren't.
 
2017-07-09 12:16:28 AM  

Mikey1969: Yeah, they're not "full of shiat", subby. The radio host exists in that dudes hometown, and he spews right wing bullshiat. That's a fact. It isn't the same thing as saying that the host personally tod this dude to shoot a Senator.

That would be more up Fox News, Breitbart, or Alex Jones' alley.


So, they're just asking questions, like Donald Trump did when he questioned Obama's birth certificate, or like Fark did when they were wondering about Glenn Beck's involvement in a rape and murder around 1990...
 
2017-07-09 12:17:49 AM  
Well, it's certainly not because of the massive deliveries of sour grapes from people who could never cut it in some form of journalism, right, former journeyman TV "reporter" and Mediaite founder Dan Abrams?
 
2017-07-09 12:17:51 AM  
Talk-radio (and now FOX news) have been broadcasting blatant right-wing propaganda and hate for the media for DECADES. Hour after hour, day after day, year after year. Non-stop, with almost no competition or rebuttal.

Saying that a very large segment of Americans is hopelessly brainwashed is not an understatement.
 
2017-07-09 12:19:42 AM  
But, why would a right wing nut shoot a senator that white nationalists like?
 
2017-07-09 12:20:58 AM  

clowncar on fire: cman: I am getting really farking tired that when random folks post something on twitter its now news

What?  Did Bella Hadid post another selfie from her hotel bathroom again?


If you read the article you would understand what my post meant.
 
2017-07-09 12:22:05 AM  
With so many open questions, it is clear no objectively verifiable truth can be observed.

Therefor we must concede to and accept the word of the most loud, persistent, and obnoxious fire-hoses of random syllables.
 
2017-07-09 12:26:14 AM  
It's because approximately 40% of the population is functionally insane.

Left, right, whatever...that's irrelevant.

And a good portion of them  tend to be loud.
 
2017-07-09 12:35:32 AM  
F*ck you, subby.
 
2017-07-09 12:37:34 AM  

Sid_6.7: F*ck you, subby.


Oh come now.  Anyone can submit unfunny, unironic, salty nonsense.  An admin has to greenlight it.
 
2017-07-09 12:41:26 AM  

DarnoKonrad: unfunny, unironic, salty


Those are some incredible weasel words that really mean "inaccurate, misleading, untrue".
 
2017-07-09 12:47:35 AM  
So some right wing shock jock claims the shooter *might* have listened to him and it's WaPo's fault?

They shouldn't really be giving the dude free advertising of that sort, especially when conspiracy theorists are scanning every syllable for insinuation.
 
2017-07-09 12:50:15 AM  
Area pundits rush to twitter to express frothy outrage over what they believe newspaper article implied. Film at eleven.
 
2017-07-09 12:54:05 AM  
Taking criticism from conservative corners?

They must be telling the truth then.

/literally can't even with the right wing anymore
//because they are lying, self-declared victims
 
2017-07-09 12:56:10 AM  
make me some tea:  there have been plenty of others on the Right who were driven to violence because of it.

And who would that be?
 
2017-07-09 01:01:04 AM  
The problem with the information age is that there's a lot of information, and not all of it is exactly good information. In order to be properly informed, you should take in a such information as possible, critically anaylzing all of it based on the source, the author, the content, etc, etc, etc. Then, you have to cross reference all information you get with other sources; weed out the inaccuracies and sensationalism.

Of course, that's a lot of work. More than should be reasonably expected of anybody. So yeah, it's no wonder some people say to hell with the media and double down on pig-farking ignorance.
 
2017-07-09 01:03:50 AM  
DURRRRR TEH MEDIA IZ ALL FAKE NOOZ

god come on read the original article
 
2017-07-09 01:04:00 AM  
SOME Americans don't trust media...  But that could be because of decades of being told the media lies all the time and is actively pursuing an anti-American agenda.  It's been especially intense during the last 3 years.  And since about 30% of Americans are so lazy, stupid, and incurious that they'll believe anything if it's told to them emphatically by somebody they envy or find attractive, it seems like "America doesn't trust media."
 
2017-07-09 01:12:31 AM  

sithon: T Baggins: sithon: They need to retool that headline. They don't want to be seen as a liberal version of Fox News. An organisation which bends facts to meet their narrative

The headline and article are accurate and descriptive. "In Alexandria shooter's hometown, rage-filled radio host channels middle America's inner frustration". ....

It implies without saying it that the killer was motivated by the right wing radio host which is untrue.
It's Weasley , it's something that Fox News would do.


I just disagree that it implies motive; they'd have said it clearly if that was the article's point. The main topic of the article is the host channeling the country's frustration, and the topical hook that might make readers interested is that he's from the same town as the shooter. The title is a straightforward way of conveying those two ideas. Also, the show influencing the shooter isn't "untrue" as you put it; it's unknown...the article makes that clear.
 
2017-07-09 01:14:06 AM  
WaPo and NYTimes aren't holy writ. Readers have a responsibility to read critically, and a have healthy dose of skepticism. I want to read from a variety of responsible viewpoints. We all better off when responsible voices participate in the policy process. We get better, more legitimate outcomes. It's a process, and it takes commitment and work on all sides.
 
2017-07-09 01:15:22 AM  
Yes, that one article in WaPo that vaguely connects a domestic shooter to a far right nut job is the reason. Not, you know, Fox News outright lying on practically every broadcast, or Breitbart making shiat up out of whole cloth to get clicks from fast angry white dudes in disability. No, it's this one piece in the Washington Post that is completely factually accurate, except for daring to mention a lefty and a righty in the same headline.
 
2017-07-09 01:18:54 AM  

Harry_Seldon: WaPo and NYTimes aren't holy writ. Readers have a responsibility to read critically, and a have healthy dose of skepticism. I want to read from a variety of responsible viewpoints. We all better off when responsible voices participate in the policy process. We get better, more legitimate outcomes. It's a process, and it takes commitment and work on all sides.


At least the WaPo and NY Times don't waste their mouths sucking Trump's tiny wang.
 
2017-07-09 01:22:23 AM  

tbeatty: make me some tea:  there have been plenty of others on the Right who were driven to violence because of it.

And who would that be?


Seriously? Dude. Dylann Roof, Robert Louis Dear, Allen Scarsella, John Russell Houser, Larry Steve McQuilliams, Jerad and Amanda Miller, Frazier Glenn Cross, Scott Roeder, Edgar Madison Welch, Anthony Hammond, Sean Urbanski, James Jackson...should I go on? For years now, right wing media has been fanning the flames of hate to the point where they have completely dehumanized anyone who doesn't share their beliefs. I listen to right wing radio frequently, Rush, Hannity, Beck, and Savage usually and the absolute twisting of every truth that goes on and the blame game they indulge in is infuriating. Now half the country believes in alternative facts and are so entrenched that trying to counter a "true believer" with actual, verifiable facts, is like spitting in the ocean. You prove them wrong, they will say it doesn't matter, it feels true to them. There is a civil upheaval coming, and you can thank right wing hate for it.
 
2017-07-09 01:23:47 AM  

Harry_Seldon: WaPo and NYTimes aren't holy writ. Readers have a responsibility to read critically, and a have healthy dose of skepticism. I want to read from a variety of responsible viewpoints. We all better off when responsible voices participate in the policy process. We get better, more legitimate outcomes. It's a process, and it takes commitment and work on all sides.


Gosh, you are so reasonable! Who could possibly - just a sec ...

Lusiphur: Fox News outright lying on practically every broadcast, or Breitbart making shiat up out of whole cloth to get clicks from fast angry white dudes in disability


... now I must commit to considering this viewpoint in my policy process in efforting legitimate outcomes.

Also, there really is a spider on your face.
 
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