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(Civilized)   Study finds that closing marijuana dispensaries results in higher crime rates. Apparently amotivational syndrome is real, at least for criminals   ( civilized.life) divider line
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2017-07-07 12:43:47 PM  
Or, to state it another way, opening marijuana dispensaries adversely affects business productivity and profit. The "business" being the private prison industry.
 
2017-07-07 12:59:01 PM  

Dimensio: Or, to state it another way, opening marijuana dispensaries adversely affects business productivity and profit. The "business" being the private prison industry.


Nevermind "private" prison industry - it's the whole prison-industrial-guard union complex, government run or private run.
 
2017-07-07 05:41:51 PM  
When purchasing marijuana on the streets is a crime, then it seems obvious that closing dispensaries would increase crime.
 
2017-07-07 06:00:55 PM  

Barfmaker: When purchasing marijuana on the streets is a crime, then it seems obvious that closing dispensaries would increase crime.


Yeah, that;s not the kind of crime they studied.

It's the kind of crime that hurts everyone, not just stoners.

Sorry.
 
2017-07-07 06:05:23 PM  

knobmaker: Barfmaker: When purchasing marijuana on the streets is a crime, then it seems obvious that closing dispensaries would increase crime.

Yeah, that;s not the kind of crime they studied.

It's the kind of crime that hurts everyone, not just stoners.

Sorry.


No, you are wrong. Street dealing leads to violent crime. Dispensaries have armed guards. If a dealer sees an easy person to rob, they'd much rather get $$ and keep the dope to sell to someone else. Watch Season 3 of The Wire, that should fill you in.
 
2017-07-07 06:05:38 PM  
Crime rates go up when you make something illegal that people are going to do anyway...  Ya don say!
 
2017-07-07 06:08:20 PM  
Omar coming!
 
2017-07-07 06:12:40 PM  
My friend Becky tried injecting marijuanas she got from a street dealer after her dispensary closed. I guess they sold her a tainted needle and now she's dead. Don't be like Becky.
 
2017-07-07 06:16:01 PM  
Fake study.  Criminals cause crime.  We must denigrate and demonize the person who commits the crime, while being careful to preserve, and wherever possible, amplify  the conditions that precipitate it.
 
2017-07-07 06:16:46 PM  
Premise of headline: criminals only smoke legal weed.

Riiigghhht...
 
2017-07-07 06:23:07 PM  

dj_bigbird: Dimensio: Or, to state it another way, opening marijuana dispensaries adversely affects business productivity and profit. The "business" being the private prison industry.

Nevermind "private" prison industry - it's the whole prison-industrial-guard union complex, government run or private run.


Expect Trump to order the DEA to close all the pot shops in 3..2..
 
2017-07-07 06:29:01 PM  
That's why they should be converted into jails. Why do I have to do all the thinking around here?
 
2017-07-07 06:46:35 PM  
Someone has to goto prison.

#thinkoftheprisons
 
2017-07-07 06:51:49 PM  
[The researchers] added: "Contrary to popular wisdom, we find an immediate increase in crime around dispensaries ordered to close relative to those allowed to remain open. The increase is specific to the type of crime most plausibly deterred by bystanders, and is correlated with neighborhood walkability.

"A likely ... mechanism is that 'eyes upon the street' deter some types of crime."


It sounds like any well-frequented business that drew increased traffic would have the same impact.

Or am I missing something?
 
2017-07-07 06:59:54 PM  

TickTurd: Premise of headline: criminals only smoke legal weed.

Riiigghhht...


That's why Prohibition worked.
 
2017-07-07 07:06:46 PM  
Conservatards are not connected to reality? Not news.
 
2017-07-07 07:09:35 PM  

skyotter: It sounds like any well-frequented business that drew increased traffic would have the same impact.


It would.

Put a gun shop there, a Humvee dealership, a tobacco outlet, a Starbucks or a McDonalds, and you'd get the same result.
 
2017-07-07 07:15:28 PM  

I Borrowed Your Mom's Bong: No, you are wrong. Street dealing leads to violent crime. Dispensaries have armed guards. If a dealer sees an easy person to rob, they'd much rather get $$ and keep the dope to sell to someone else. Watch Season 3 of The Wire, that should fill you in.


wrong.

Often the safest block in any low income neighborhood is the dope street. It's a business. If you rob the customers they just go to another dope spot. Anyone who f's with that business has a much bigger problem than the police. 

/don't imagine you're getting good info from fictional tv
 
2017-07-07 07:20:12 PM  

I Borrowed Your Mom's Bong: knobmaker: Barfmaker: When purchasing marijuana on the streets is a crime, then it seems obvious that closing dispensaries would increase crime.

Yeah, that;s not the kind of crime they studied.

It's the kind of crime that hurts everyone, not just stoners.

Sorry.

No, you are wrong. Street dealing leads to violent crime. Dispensaries have armed guards. If a dealer sees an easy person to rob, they'd much rather get $$ and keep the dope to sell to someone else. Watch Season 3 of The Wire, that should fill you in.


...armed guards? The wire? Violent crime..lol
 
2017-07-07 07:36:03 PM  
Yup.  Same thing happens when restaurants are closed down, too.

http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0094119017300281

(abstract of the article cited in TFA)
 
2017-07-07 07:40:56 PM  
Tttthhhhiiipppp.......wwhhhoooooo.......

Hey man, wanna go out and commit larceny?

Nah, lets just spark another dooby.....

Duh....
 
2017-07-07 07:44:04 PM  

knobmaker: Barfmaker: When purchasing marijuana on the streets is a crime, then it seems obvious that closing dispensaries would increase crime.

Yeah, that;s not the kind of crime they studied.

It's the kind of crime that hurts everyone, not just stoners.

Sorry.


You know that "stoners" is an outdated term from the last century, right?

Please join us in the 21st century, Spicoli....
 
2017-07-07 07:49:48 PM  

idlebyte: Crime rates go up when you make something illegal that people are going to do anyway...  Ya don say!


Except guns. Making guns illegal will totally work.
 
2017-07-07 07:53:01 PM  

Carousel Beast: idlebyte: Crime rates go up when you make something illegal that people are going to do anyway...  Ya don say!

Except guns. Making guns illegal will totally work.


No, no, no, you've got it all fuxxored! It's "laws don't prevent crime" which is why we have no laws against fraud or assault in America. People are gonna do that anyway!
 
2017-07-07 07:55:24 PM  

idlebyte: Crime rates go up when you make something illegal that people are going to do anyway...

Um, that's not the point at all.
 
2017-07-07 07:56:24 PM  
Studies find the drug war is a sham, wasteful, harmful, and Nixon-era remediation. Grow up, America.

Welcome to the 21st Century, you oldies.
 
2017-07-07 08:12:51 PM  

I Borrowed Your Mom's Bong: knobmaker: Barfmaker: When purchasing marijuana on the streets is a crime, then it seems obvious that closing dispensaries would increase crime.

Yeah, that;s not the kind of crime they studied.

It's the kind of crime that hurts everyone, not just stoners.

Sorry.

No, you are wrong. Street dealing leads to violent crime. Dispensaries have armed guards. If a dealer sees an easy person to rob, they'd much rather get $$ and keep the dope to sell to someone else. Watch Season 3 of The Wire, that should fill you in.


Almost true. Dispenseries here in San Diego county get robbed at a rate of about 1/month.
 
2017-07-07 08:15:27 PM  

MrMasterTutor: Studies find the drug war is a sham, wasteful, harmful, and Nixon-era remediation. Grow up, America.

Welcome to the 21st Century, you oldies.


Nixon-era? Uh...try again. It goes back to the"Pure Food and Drug Act" in 1906.
 
2017-07-07 08:19:34 PM  

dj_bigbird: MrMasterTutor: Studies find the drug war is a sham, wasteful, harmful, and Nixon-era remediation. Grow up, America.

Welcome to the 21st Century, you oldies.

Nixon-era? Uh...try again. It goes back to the"Pure Food and Drug Act" in 1906.


Um, perhaps, but marijuana prohibition really started in the 20s with Henry J. Anslinger. If'n you could school on me drug prohibition in America, I'd appreciate it, and America might too...
 
2017-07-07 08:20:46 PM  
Please include references. Thank you.
 
2017-07-07 08:44:13 PM  

Giant Clown Shoe: I Borrowed Your Mom's Bong: No, you are wrong. Street dealing leads to violent crime. Dispensaries have armed guards. If a dealer sees an easy person to rob, they'd much rather get $$ and keep the dope to sell to someone else. Watch Season 3 of The Wire, that should fill you in.

wrong.

Often the safest block in any low income neighborhood is the dope street. It's a business. If you rob the customers they just go to another dope spot. Anyone who f's with that business has a much bigger problem than the police. 

/don't imagine you're getting good info from fictional tv


I assumed it was a joke.  The Wire actually shows the opposite of what he wrote.
 
2017-07-07 08:51:44 PM  
The results are highly suspicious.  The study is seriously flawed since data was collected in only one city.  It seems like something that was probably made up by a bunch of dope fiends who just want to get high.
 
2017-07-07 08:59:49 PM  

I Borrowed Your Mom's Bong: knobmaker: Barfmaker: When purchasing marijuana on the streets is a crime, then it seems obvious that closing dispensaries would increase crime.

Yeah, that;s not the kind of crime they studied.

It's the kind of crime that hurts everyone, not just stoners.

Sorry.

No, you are wrong. Street dealing leads to violent crime.


Yes, of course, but that is not what the article is about.  I know this is Fark and all, but it's a
pretty interesting study.

Mergatroid: You know that "stoners" is an outdated term from the last century, right?

Please join us in the 21st century, Spicoli....


It's Yankee Doodle Dandy thing.  You wouldn't understand.

MrMasterTutor: dj_bigbird: MrMasterTutor: Studies find the drug war is a sham, wasteful, harmful, and Nixon-era remediation. Grow up, America.

Welcome to the 21st Century, you oldies.

Nixon-era? Uh...try again. It goes back to the"Pure Food and Drug Act" in 1906.

Um, perhaps, but marijuana prohibition really started in the 20s with Henry J. Anslinger. If'n you could school on me drug prohibition in America, I'd appreciate it, and America might too...


Actually, the Pure Food and Drug Act was a good thing, unconnected to the modern drug war, which has always run on lies and hate.  It mandated pure food and drugs, properly labeled as to content and dosage.  In fact, it basically stopped the first big opioid epidemic, which primarily affected white women.  Elixirs containing laudanum and other opiates was marketed to them as tonics-- mother's little helpers.  When the Pure Food and Drug Act required manufacturers to reveal what was in those tonics, American women largely stopped using them.

A similar approach to opiates today would save thousands of lives, but we're too stupid.
 
2017-07-07 09:06:17 PM  

skyotter: [The researchers] added: "Contrary to popular wisdom, we find an immediate increase in crime around dispensaries ordered to close relative to those allowed to remain open. The increase is specific to the type of crime most plausibly deterred by bystanders, and is correlated with neighborhood walkability.

"A likely ... mechanism is that 'eyes upon the street' deter some types of crime."

It sounds like any well-frequented business that drew increased traffic would have the same impact.

Or am I missing something?


No you're not.  But because of the stigma associated with weed, dispensaries are often located in crappy neighborhoods.  And since they are very busy, they may have a bigger deterrent effect on their neighborhoods than less-popular storefronts would.
 
2017-07-07 09:22:12 PM  

knobmaker: I Borrowed Your Mom's Bong: knobmaker: Barfmaker: When purchasing marijuana on the streets is a crime, then it seems obvious that closing dispensaries would increase crime.

Yeah, that;s not the kind of crime they studied.

It's the kind of crime that hurts everyone, not just stoners.

Sorry.

No, you are wrong. Street dealing leads to violent crime.

Yes, of course, but that is not what the article is about.  I know this is Fark and all, but it's a
pretty interesting study.

Mergatroid: You know that "stoners" is an outdated term from the last century, right?

Please join us in the 21st century, Spicoli....

It's Yankee Doodle Dandy thing.  You wouldn't understand.

MrMasterTutor: dj_bigbird: MrMasterTutor: Studies find the drug war is a sham, wasteful, harmful, and Nixon-era remediation. Grow up, America.

Welcome to the 21st Century, you oldies.

Nixon-era? Uh...try again. It goes back to the"Pure Food and Drug Act" in 1906.

Um, perhaps, but marijuana prohibition really started in the 20s with Henry J. Anslinger. If'n you could school on me drug prohibition in America, I'd appreciate it, and America might too...

Actually, the Pure Food and Drug Act was a good thing, unconnected to the modern drug war, which has always run on lies and hate.  It mandated pure food and drugs, properly labeled as to content and dosage.  In fact, it basically stopped the first big opioid epidemic, which primarily affected white women.  Elixirs containing laudanum and other opiates was marketed to them as tonics-- mother's little helpers.  When the Pure Food and Drug Act required manufacturers to reveal what was in those tonics, American women largely stopped using them.

A similar approach to opiates today would save thousands of lives, but we're too stupid.


Thanks for the schoolin', knob, adding, perhaps surreptitiously, to my mounting mountain of evidence that suggests criminalizing behavior limited to the individual is a waste of everything enforcement. Word.
 
2017-07-07 09:27:00 PM  
You wanna hurt yourself? Go for it.

However, if'n you hurt anyone else while hurtin' yourself, you're farked.

Hurt yourself only.

And, if I'm being my humanistic self, please don't hurt yourself. People love you. Lots of people. Even one is enough. Just one.

Me.

Humanist out.
 
2017-07-07 09:35:43 PM  
And one of you fools showed a doctored graph blaming lead.  If it was lead gasoline, you would not see a slow drop continuing to modern times.
 
2017-07-07 09:54:08 PM  

knobmaker: Barfmaker: When purchasing marijuana on the streets is a crime, then it seems obvious that closing dispensaries would increase crime.

Yeah, that;s not the kind of crime they studied.

It's the kind of crime that hurts everyone, not just stoners.

Sorry.


Wow that was obnoxious.
 
2017-07-07 10:31:32 PM  

MrMasterTutor: You wanna hurt yourself? Go for it.

However, if'n you hurt anyone else while hurtin' yourself, you're farked.

Hurt yourself only.

And, if I'm being my humanistic self, please don't hurt yourself. People love you. Lots of people. Even one is enough. Just one.

Me.

Humanist out.


This seems off topic. Who is hurting themselves?
 
2017-07-08 09:00:52 AM  

Dimensio: Or, to state it another way, opening marijuana dispensaries adversely affects business productivity and profit. The "business" being the private prison industry.


Came here to point out that the war on pot exists because the 1% likes for-profit prisons.  Which is why Republicans started them, then Obama stopped them, then Republicans restarted them.

Slashing education budgets is double plus good for Republicans - more tax cuts for the rich and more stupid voters.
 
2017-07-08 11:21:14 AM  

Cache: Dimensio: Or, to state it another way, opening marijuana dispensaries adversely affects business productivity and profit. The "business" being the private prison industry.

Came here to point out that the war on pot exists because the 1% likes for-profit prisons.  Which is why Republicans started them, then Obama stopped them, then Republicans restarted them.

Slashing education budgets is double plus good for Republicans - more tax cuts for the rich and more stupid voters.


STAHP IT. The California prison guard union (which works in the state-run prisons here in CA) is just as strong opponent to MJ legalization as anyone.
 
2017-07-08 06:53:43 PM  

MrMasterTutor: dj_bigbird: MrMasterTutor: Studies find the drug war is a sham, wasteful, harmful, and Nixon-era remediation. Grow up, America.

Welcome to the 21st Century, you oldies.

Nixon-era? Uh...try again. It goes back to the"Pure Food and Drug Act" in 1906.

Um, perhaps, but marijuana prohibition really started in the 20s with Henry J. Anslinger. If'n you could school on me drug prohibition in America, I'd appreciate it, and America might too...


There's a great article in this month's Reason magazine (look for Saint Putin on the cover) about the New York Times' coverage of marijuana around that time, It's a great read.
 
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