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(Peoria Journal Star)   Illinois governor's budget veto so popular, people are throwing mysterious substances into his office. Bonus: they had to turn off the air conditioning in the whole capital building as a precaution   ( pjstar.com) divider line
    More: Asinine, Gov. Bruce Rauner, United States House of Representatives, Illinois House session, state budget plan, Chief Barry Helmerichs, additional House members, Illinois, United States Congress  
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2017-07-06 03:25:47 PM  
Socialist Paradise.
 
2017-07-06 03:29:50 PM  
Come for the story, stay for Norm and Al the dancing ears of corn on the same page.
 
2017-07-06 03:37:00 PM  
An anthrax attack would be preferable to signing the largest tax increase in state history. If you ever want to seek higher office on a GOP ticket, that is.
 
2017-07-06 03:43:46 PM  

PreMortem: An anthrax attack would be preferable to signing the largest tax increase in state history. If you ever want to seek higher office on a GOP ticket, that is.


Rauner was honest and said he would veto any tax increase that wasn't temporary and wasn't accompanied by a temporary property tax freeze.  The legislature sent him a permanent tax increase without property tax relief that does nothing to pay the state's $15 billion in unpaid bills or ~$130 billion pension deficit.  This budget is more of the same, and the state's credit rating could still easily be downgraded to junk, because IL's fiscal mismanagement is still so severe.
 
2017-07-06 03:49:04 PM  

BalugaJoe: Socialist Paradise.


Republican Governance!
 
2017-07-06 03:52:26 PM  
They're throwing it into the Capitol, which also has the legislature in it. I don't see how this can be said with certainty to be specifically targeting Rauner, at least with the limited amount of info available now.
 
2017-07-06 04:06:27 PM  

dr_blasto: BalugaJoe: Socialist Paradise.

Republican Governance!


Democratic supermajority!  Which was veto-proof for most of the prior (Democratic) governor's tunure and the beginning of Rauner's!
 
2017-07-06 04:10:55 PM  

RexTalionis: They're throwing it into the Capitol, which also has the legislature in it. I don't see how this can be said with certainty to be specifically targeting Rauner, at least with the limited amount of info available now.


Especially in light of the GOP senators who received death threats for voting to override the veto.
 
2017-07-06 04:32:06 PM  

Fark It: dr_blasto: BalugaJoe: Socialist Paradise.

Republican Governance!

Democratic supermajority!  Which was veto-proof for most of the prior (Democratic) governor's tunure and the beginning of Rauner's!


Think they'll get an override in the House? It's hard to tell.
 
2017-07-06 04:48:32 PM  

RexTalionis: They're throwing it into the Capitol, which also has the legislature in it. I don't see how this can be said with certainty to be specifically targeting Rauner, at least with the limited amount of info available now.


The first news to hit Twitter was that the governor's office was the only target.
 
2017-07-06 04:50:20 PM  

dr_blasto: BalugaJoe: Socialist Paradise.

Republican Governance!


Socialist Paradise
 
2017-07-06 04:50:44 PM  

RexTalionis: They're throwing it into the Capitol, which also has the legislature in it. I don't see how this can be said with certainty to be specifically targeting Rauner, at least with the limited amount of info available now.


Based on the history of bribery in Illinois government, the Capitol building is also a capital building.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_corruption_in_Illinois
 
2017-07-06 04:51:20 PM  

cgraves67: RexTalionis: They're throwing it into the Capitol, which also has the legislature in it. I don't see how this can be said with certainty to be specifically targeting Rauner, at least with the limited amount of info available now.

The first news to hit Twitter was that the governor's office was the only target.


Gov's office, Lt. Gov's, and the gallery of the House, according to the Springfield fire department.
 
2017-07-06 04:51:26 PM  

Destructor: Fark It: dr_blasto: BalugaJoe: Socialist Paradise.

Republican Governance!

Democratic supermajority!  Which was veto-proof for most of the prior (Democratic) governor's tunure and the beginning of Rauner's!

Think they'll get an override in the House? It's hard to tell.


If they don't it will be because of a titanic miscalculation by Madigan, who sent everybody home after the Rauner veto to face the ire of their constituents (as opposed to the Senate, which stayed to override the veto).  A lot of people are going to get cold feet, since their pensions, patronage, etc., are all tied to staying in office and maintaining the status quo of not paying for the things they buy.  If they were responsible adults they would say no to some spending and actually have an adversarial relationship with the public employee unions they're supposed to be negotiating with at the bargaining table on behalf of the taxpayers, instead of courting their endorsements and campaign contributions, as well as patronage for their friends, relatives, etc.
 
2017-07-06 04:51:27 PM  
Replace "people" with "union thugs". I doubt anyone else in Illinois is screaming for tax hikes.
 
2017-07-06 04:51:57 PM  
Ok, mental note. Avoid that site on mobile. All i see are grey lines where the text should be.
 
2017-07-06 04:55:47 PM  
There's very little difference in Illinois between public unions and organized crime.
 
2017-07-06 04:56:25 PM  
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2017-07-06 04:57:31 PM  

Destructor: Fark It: dr_blasto: BalugaJoe: Socialist Paradise.

Republican Governance!

Democratic supermajority!  Which was veto-proof for most of the prior (Democratic) governor's tunure and the beginning of Rauner's!

Think they'll get an override in the House? It's hard to tell.


I think they will but Madigan is going to have to whip the heck out of the 10 dems that voted against.
 
2017-07-06 04:57:48 PM  
Crazy assed Chicagoans are at the root of this disaster
 
2017-07-06 04:59:09 PM  

Fark It: PreMortem: An anthrax attack would be preferable to signing the largest tax increase in state history. If you ever want to seek higher office on a GOP ticket, that is.

Rauner was honest and said he would veto any tax increase that wasn't temporary and wasn't accompanied by a temporary property tax freeze.  The legislature sent him a permanent tax increase without property tax relief that does nothing to pay the state's $15 billion in unpaid bills or ~$130 billion pension deficit.  This budget is more of the same, and the state's credit rating could still easily be downgraded to junk, because IL's fiscal mismanagement is still so severe.


How doesn't increasing revenue "do nothing" about the deficit?

It might not do enough, but it does something. In fact it does more than if the income tax increase was offset by a property tax decrease.
 
2017-07-06 04:59:26 PM  

DubyaHater: dr_blasto: BalugaJoe: Socialist Paradise.

Republican Governance!

Socialist Paradise


Trumpian assuage!
 
2017-07-06 04:59:44 PM  

dr_blasto: BalugaJoe: Socialist Paradise.

Republican Governance!


Or rather, highly monied interests playing one set of suckers off another.
 
2017-07-06 05:00:49 PM  

DubyaHater: dr_blasto: BalugaJoe: Socialist Paradise.

Republican Governance!

Socialist Paradise


Rabbit Season!
 
2017-07-06 05:01:32 PM  
Obama should go back into Illinois politics and fix this mess the republicans caused
 
2017-07-06 05:01:33 PM  
"We need the cheapest HazMat team in town down here, stat!"
 
2017-07-06 05:02:24 PM  

AugieDoggyDaddy: DubyaHater: dr_blasto: BalugaJoe: Socialist Paradise.

Republican Governance!

Socialist Paradise

Rabbit Season!


Poe-TAY-toe!
 
2017-07-06 05:02:50 PM  

dywed88: How doesn't increasing revenue "do nothing" about the deficit?


Because the new budget doesn't account for $15 billion in unpaid bills nor does it address the $130 billion pension shortfall.

It might not do enough, but it does something. In fact it does more than if the income tax increase was offset by a property tax decrease.

Who said anything about a property tax decrease?  Rauner wanted a four-year property tax freeze to offset the blow to taxpayers, who have the highest property taxes in the nation to begin with.  Madigan likes to paint Rauner as an enemy of the middle class, which is ironic and hypocritical.
 
2017-07-06 05:02:50 PM  
In Illinois, state workers retire 10-12 years before non-public sector workers, and only contribute about 6% of what their guaranteed lifetime pension payouts are.  They have a ~$250 BILLION pension deficit.  

Fark 'em.  Why should taxpayers pay the pensions of already overpaid state workers?  All public service employees should be offered 401k plans that THEY CONTRIBUTE TO, just like everyone in the private sector has.  No large city or state official has yet had the balls to force a re-negotiation of pension benefits in a bankruptcy case.  It's inevitable here.  They can't even pay existing lotto winners their payouts.
 
2017-07-06 05:03:26 PM  

AugieDoggyDaddy: DubyaHater: dr_blasto: BalugaJoe: Socialist Paradise.

Republican Governance!

Socialist Paradise

Rabbit Season!


Duck Season!
 
2017-07-06 05:03:33 PM  

Shryke: Replace "people" with "union thugs". I doubt anyone else in Illinois is screaming for tax hikes.


As one of the "union thugs" in Illinois (Chicago firefighter for over 20 years), even this horrible bill sucks.

Madigan and his ilk have been downstate too long, but Rauner's idea of solving anything (cut and slash) doesn't work and wouldn't either.

The people of Illinois - mostly good people - are farking doomed either way.

If this passes today I'm going to have to consider quitting and leaving this state.

/I'm vested, and ready to go
//I feel dirty writing all of this too
 
2017-07-06 05:05:42 PM  

A Cave Geek: dr_blasto: BalugaJoe: Socialist Paradise.

Republican Governance!

Or rather, highly monied interests playing one set of suckers off another.


that's not how non sequitur thread works
 
2017-07-06 05:05:54 PM  

dywed88: Fark It: PreMortem: An anthrax attack would be preferable to signing the largest tax increase in state history. If you ever want to seek higher office on a GOP ticket, that is.

Rauner was honest and said he would veto any tax increase that wasn't temporary and wasn't accompanied by a temporary property tax freeze.  The legislature sent him a permanent tax increase without property tax relief that does nothing to pay the state's $15 billion in unpaid bills or ~$130 billion pension deficit.  This budget is more of the same, and the state's credit rating could still easily be downgraded to junk, because IL's fiscal mismanagement is still so severe.

How doesn't increasing revenue "do nothing" about the deficit?

It might not do enough, but it does something. In fact it does more than if the income tax increase was offset by a property tax decrease.


Rauner wasnt asking for a prop tax decrease though.  Just not raising the rates for... 8? years.  Heck most munis could get around that just by flexing he evaluations.

I do wonder about the prop tax freeze and the school funding fix.
 
2017-07-06 05:06:09 PM  
Makes me want to retire there.

Land o' Lincoln....Yessiree.
 
2017-07-06 05:06:45 PM  

sdtangler: All public service employees should be offered 401k plans that THEY CONTRIBUTE TO, just like everyone in the private sector has


Or at least offer a pension plan where they contribute 10-15% starting (like most in the private sector) that doesn't guarantee 3% COLA annually, regardless of inflation, and ban double-dipping and pension-spiking.
 
2017-07-06 05:10:08 PM  

Saiga410: Rauner wasnt asking for a prop tax decrease though.  Just not raising the rates for... 8? years.


It was four.  And what's hilarious is that the state's finances would still be in the same shape had they just given him a "temporary" tax hike and temporary property tax freeze, and there wouldn't quite be the same outrage there is now.  So instead of getting a budget that doesn't address the state's unpaid bills or pension shortfall and doesn't piss off everybody, they settled on a budget that doesn't address the state's unpaid bills or pension shortfall and pisses off everybody.

This is why gerrymandering is bad, children.
 
2017-07-06 05:10:33 PM  
Part of the problem with the tax hike is that Illinois basically has a flat income tax rather than a progressive tax  rate structure like most of the rest of the world.
 
2017-07-06 05:11:05 PM  

sdtangler: In Illinois, state workers retire 10-12 years before non-public sector workers, and only contribute about 6% of what their guaranteed lifetime pension payouts are.  They have a ~$250 BILLION pension deficit.  

Fark 'em.  Why should taxpayers pay the pensions of already overpaid state workers?  All public service employees should be offered 401k plans that THEY CONTRIBUTE TO, just like everyone in the private sector has.  No large city or state official has yet had the balls to force a re-negotiation of pension benefits in a bankruptcy case.  It's inevitable here.  They can't even pay existing lotto winners their payouts.


Some times you have to man up and honor your promises.  Even the ones that were drunkenly given and are just barely a blurry memory.
 
2017-07-06 05:32:28 PM  
The veto-override was just passed.
 
2017-07-06 05:35:13 PM  

Fark It: dywed88: How doesn't increasing revenue "do nothing" about the deficit?

Because the new budget doesn't account for $15 billion in unpaid bills nor does it address the $130 billion pension shortfall.

It might not do enough, but it does something. In fact it does more than if the income tax increase was offset by a property tax decrease.

Who said anything about a property tax decrease?  Rauner wanted a four-year property tax freeze to offset the blow to taxpayers, who have the highest property taxes in the nation to begin with.  Madigan likes to paint Rauner as an enemy of the middle class, which is ironic and hypocritical.


That's nonsense. Illinois does not have the highest property tax in the nation. That is a LIE. You LIE.
 
2017-07-06 05:37:50 PM  
How do they expect to have anyone working in the state left to tax with that sort of tax hike?
 
2017-07-06 05:41:14 PM  
Was this mysterious substance an encyclopedia?
 
2017-07-06 05:45:32 PM  

Maxor: How do they expect to have anyone working in the state left to tax with that sort of tax hike?


Leaving? Oh, everyone is going to stay now. Everything is going to be fine. Just fine.

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2017-07-06 05:45:47 PM  

Maxor: How do they expect to have anyone working in the state left to tax with that sort of tax hike?


Because it's going all the way up to 4.95%?  I'll gladly pay that if it starts to dig us out of the hole we're in.  A lot of people are talking about moving to MO, IA, or WI, and they're going to get a rude awakening if they think income taxes will be less in those places.
 
2017-07-06 05:50:37 PM  
Best comment I've seen is "I'd get up and leave Illinois in a heartbeat but I can't take my pensions with me." With no sense of irony that the financial troubles of Illinois are due to those pensions.
 
2017-07-06 05:50:47 PM  

Off2403: Maxor: How do they expect to have anyone working in the state left to tax with that sort of tax hike?

Because it's going all the way up to 4.95%?  I'll gladly pay that if it starts to dig us out of the hole we're in.  A lot of people are talking about moving to MO, IA, or WI, and they're going to get a rude awakening if they think income taxes will be less in those places.


Again, this tax hike does not address the $15 billion unpaid bill backlog or the state's 12-figure pension shortfall.  And it doesn't provide any relief for property taxpayers who have seen their burdens increase way above inflation and wage growth.
 
2017-07-06 05:54:12 PM  
Come for the weather.....stay for the good governance.
 
2017-07-06 05:55:52 PM  

snowshovel: Best comment I've seen is "I'd get up and leave Illinois in a heartbeat but I can't take my pensions with me." With no sense of irony that the financial troubles of Illinois are due to those pensions.


A lot of those same people leave anyway because of our property taxes and/or to go on and "retire" into another job while drawing a pension.
 
2017-07-06 05:58:25 PM  

Fark It: Off2403: Maxor: How do they expect to have anyone working in the state left to tax with that sort of tax hike?

Because it's going all the way up to 4.95%?  I'll gladly pay that if it starts to dig us out of the hole we're in.  A lot of people are talking about moving to MO, IA, or WI, and they're going to get a rude awakening if they think income taxes will be less in those places.

Again, this tax hike does not address the $15 billion unpaid bill backlog or the state's 12-figure pension shortfall.  And it doesn't provide any relief for property taxpayers who have seen their burdens increase way above inflation and wage growth.


We've been in a free-fall since taxes went back down in 2015.  At this point, I'll accept stopping / slowing that and further reversing it later.  I also pay property taxes in Illinois and I don't need relief, but thanks for your concern.
 
2017-07-06 06:01:18 PM  
Apparently a lot of people get their information about the Illinois budget situation from inaccurate
sources. The problem is *NOT* the pension plans themselves. *NOT*!! The problem is that the
state, in it's infinite brilliance, decided to pad the budget with the contributions TO the pension plans.
Essentially it was like a business not paying it's sales tax. Those in charge took that money and
PISSED IT AWAY on stuff that they could smack a plaque on with their name on it. The people
that work for the state paid into the system their share. Just because the state did not, does not
make it their fault. The state is obliged to pay it's retirees by it's Constitution. It cannot welsh on
that because it would destroy the trust of state and just as much as no budget, destroy it's credit.
 
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