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(Talking Points Memo)   Arkansas representative shows signs of self-awareness: "We just simply don't know how to govern"   ( talkingpointsmemo.com) divider line
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2017-06-28 01:51:29 PM  
Trump voters call this a feature, not a bug.
 
2017-06-28 02:05:21 PM  
The Democrats made it look so easy! But this shiat is HARD!
 
2017-06-28 02:08:17 PM  
Of course not.

The party has been concerned about winning. So much so that they've never thought about what they're actually going to do, or how they're going to accomplish any of the bullsh*t that they spun to win. Because the mechanics of our government, our Constitution even, absolutely resists most of the crap that they've spun. Religious freedom, equality under the law, and so many laws that have been passed in accordance to those foundations exist. And no amount of feet stamping is going to undercut that. No amount of chest thumping is going to allow either the confiscation of arms that they claim will occur under Democrats' watch, nor will it allow them to make Christianity the ONLY faith in this country.

When you campaign on fear and patriotism, you can get into office, but unless you have an actual plan beyond, "LET'S BURN THIS MOTHER DOWN!" you're not going to get very far. Especially with colleagues who have been at this a while, and DO have their own agendas and their own goals, and they WILL dig in their heels when you start to gather the firewood for a Constitution burning and when you start to squirt lighter fluid on institutions that their constituents rely on.

The GOP bet that they could GET bodies into office on rage and protests against the status quo. And they did. They got a lot of amateurs who have NO actual government experience, who have no interest in actually governing and NOW they're surprised that they can't get anything done?

Some of us who WERE with the party awhile, grew kind of disgusted with the party as it leaned harder and harder on folks who HATE the concept of government, and who really DON'T like MOST of the country. Who don't want to pay for anything, who don't want the government to do anything, and who are just taking up space, and soaking up a stipend from the Fed to wave their hands around, and skim as much as they can into their own pockets. And when we said, "Hey, this is NOT a good trend, and maybe we should think about this" we were told we were RINOs. We weren't "Real Republicans" because we didn't despise people.

Y'all bet on despising your own countrymen, and now you're surprised that betting on hate and bile spewing jackanapes without sense, education, nor experience can't get anything done? You bet on folks who could spout ideology, but can't think, and don't compromise, and NOW you have the audacity to wail on how you can't get anything done?

We tried to warn you. Then we left, when you went down the garden path, singing merrily about burnin' this mother down.

You got what you wanted, and now you're soaking in it. Enjoy, you jackanapes. Breathe it in.
 
2017-06-28 02:19:26 PM  
LiftBro beat him to it months ago.
 
2017-06-28 02:59:00 PM  
Republicans hate the government. They want to drown it in the sink. Government is bad.

So it is a self fulfilling prophecy
 
2017-06-28 03:23:49 PM  
So, after over a decade of being the party of NO, you're now realizing it takes more than NO to run a country?  Congratulations on developing half a brain cell.  Now what are you going to do to try to fix it?  Blame everything you can't do yourself on someone else because you're too stupid to actually compromise and work for the betterment of ALL the people in this country?  There's the bed of shiat you put down.  Have a nice sleep in it.
 
2017-06-28 03:47:55 PM  
Paul Ryan said the same thing.
 
2017-06-28 04:01:13 PM  
Obvious tag sleeping one off today, I assume?
 
2017-06-28 04:45:07 PM  
Yeah, I'm not so sure if it's a lack of ability or knowledge, so much as it is a lack of willingness.
 
2017-06-28 04:46:10 PM  

meat0918: Paul Ryan said the same thing.


Nevertheless, he persists.
 
2017-06-28 04:53:33 PM  
So... That car's bumper doesn't taste as good as they thought it would?
 
2017-06-28 04:54:28 PM  

meat0918: Paul Ryan said the same thing.


But they can throw a kegger to celebrate millions losing health insurance!
 
2017-06-28 04:54:41 PM  
If all Republicans died horrible deaths, it would leave the world no poorer.
 
2017-06-28 04:54:51 PM  
We fundraise, we sign stuff lobbyists give us into law, isn't that enough?
 
2017-06-28 04:55:12 PM  
Who knew governing could be so hard??
 
2017-06-28 04:56:14 PM  
and nowhere will the DNC use these sad confessions as rocket fuel for 2018

such a waste
 
2017-06-28 04:56:34 PM  
I read about some retirement village in northern Europe where the elderly can live and even have jobs but other people actually run it.  It lets the residents feel purposeful and a part of society without them hurting themselves or others.

We need something like this.  In politics.  For the GOP.
 
2017-06-28 04:56:57 PM  
Obvious tag drowns in bathtub.
 
2017-06-28 04:57:31 PM  
The real self awareness will come if they learn from that moment of self reflection and take a hard look at how they represent their constituents- not just who voted for them -and how their policies effect their states, and adjust accordingly to better serve those people they represent.

You know; actually DOING WHAT THEY WERE ELECTED TO DO?
 
2017-06-28 04:59:09 PM  

Alebak: The real self awareness will come if they learn from that moment of self reflection and take a hard look at how they represent their constituents- not just who voted for them -and how their policies effect their states, and adjust accordingly to better serve those people they represent.

You know; actually DOING WHAT THEY WERE ELECTED TO DO?


This is what they were elected to do, hamstring and dismantle the federal government.  Who cares if there is no budget.  All the better.
 
2017-06-28 05:00:19 PM  

Diogenes: Yeah, I'm not so sure if it's a lack of ability or knowledge, so much as it is a lack of willingness.


¿Por que no los tres?
 
2017-06-28 05:00:44 PM  

I'm an Egyptian!: If all Republicans died horrible deaths, it would leave the world no poorer.


You know, it could even been a boon to the world:

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2017-06-28 05:04:01 PM  

ChimpMitten: Alebak: The real self awareness will come if they learn from that moment of self reflection and take a hard look at how they represent their constituents- not just who voted for them -and how their policies effect their states, and adjust accordingly to better serve those people they represent.

You know; actually DOING WHAT THEY WERE ELECTED TO DO?

This is what they were elected to do, hamstring and dismantle the federal government.  Who cares if there is no budget.  All the better.


The best government money can buy.
 
2017-06-28 05:04:58 PM  
"We just simply don't know how to govern," Womack, a member of the House Budget Committee, told the Washington Post.

Then I guess I'll just have to vote for the other party.
 
2017-06-28 05:05:46 PM  

vrax: I'm an Egyptian!: If all Republicans died horrible deaths, it would leave the world no poorer.

You know, it could even been a boon to the world:

[img.fark.net image 500x500]


I dunno. Have you seen your average Trumper? No telling what communicable diseases are in that!
 
2017-06-28 05:06:48 PM  
Obama isn't around anymore to tell the Republicans what they're agin, and they have no idea what the're fer.
 
2017-06-28 05:09:21 PM  
img.fark.net
 
2017-06-28 05:11:39 PM  
The problem with Republicans being unable to govern comes from a lot of places. Mostly, though, I think it's because the voters in red areas, they see other people, people doing better than they are, and people doing worse. They assume they're at the bottom of the ladder, and so assume those doing worse than thye are, because they're not dressed in rags and wracked with plague, must be coasting through life on the government dole. Then they look at those doing better than they are, and assume that they can reach that level as well if they just work hard enough. They're also not very bright, with an IQ just above room temperature. So, they ask for someone to run for office who's folksy, down to earth, and talks like they do. Someone just as not-bright, who will go to washington to ensure the less well off live in rags and die of plague, and make sure that once they hit the magic amount of hard work and "make it", they're not going to be saddled with helping make sure society functions. And to a small degree, this kind of crap works at a local level, and can be maintained for short times at a state level. But now they have a federal level of government wrapped up by folksy, plain-speaking simpletons who see everything as a black and white problem of the rich are penalized and the poor are uppity. But our government is complex, and nuanced. A change in one place causes ripples in five places. And once they get to that level, the ones who are not pure evil, but just simple minded, they start to get a dim idea of what's going on, and they come to that horrifying conclusion: They have no idea what to do or how to do it.
 
2017-06-28 05:12:34 PM  
They don't want to govern. They want to rule. Not the same thing. Governing requires consensus-building and compromise. To rule, you just need power and the will to do what it takes to keep it at all costs.
 
2017-06-28 05:12:42 PM  
"I was really banking on opposing everything the Clinton administration suggested without regard for merit or necessity. She really screwed me over."
 
2017-06-28 05:14:37 PM  

Stone Meadow: "We just simply don't know how to govern," Womack, a member of the House Budget Committee, told the Washington Post.


The Republican solution to every problem is TAX CUTS FOR THE RICH. Eventually, the beast is starved and now they own it.
 
2017-06-28 05:14:46 PM  
Almost like "not governing" is the point.
 
2017-06-28 05:14:55 PM  

I'm an Egyptian!: vrax: I'm an Egyptian!: If all Republicans died horrible deaths, it would leave the world no poorer.

You know, it could even been a boon to the world:

[img.fark.net image 500x500]

I dunno. Have you seen your average Trumper? No telling what communicable diseases are in that!


We'll take care of that in the processing stage.  For the first time, Republicans will be 100% safe.  It will actually be a reformulation and rebranding of "Soylent Red" with a little elephant on each wafer.
 
2017-06-28 05:15:06 PM  
The difference being that Democrats avoid a budget (and governong) altogether, and simply declare victory.
 
Bf+
2017-06-28 05:15:59 PM  
img.fark.net
 
2017-06-28 05:18:05 PM  
"It was all fun and games while Obama was in charg", he continued, "We could just throw all sorts of wild sounding garbage out there knowing it would never actually become law, thank god, but now there's a moron in the White House who'll sign anything we send him we've got to be careful not to actually kill a good portion of the schmucks who voted for us"
 
2017-06-28 05:18:07 PM  
Nobody knew governing was so complicated...
 
2017-06-28 05:19:54 PM  

hubiestubert: The SOB bet that they could GET bodies into office on rage and protests against the status quo. And they did. They got a lot of amateurs who have NO actual empire experience, who have no interest in actually governing and NOW they're surprised that they can't get anything done?


Joe Versus the Volcano
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I know he can GET the job, but can he DO the job?
 
2017-06-28 05:21:11 PM  

Animatronik: The difference being that Democrats avoid a budget (and governong) altogether, and simply declare victory.


Budgets don't matter. Appropriations do.
 
2017-06-28 05:21:13 PM  

Diogenes: Yeah, I'm not so sure if it's a lack of ability or knowledge, so much as it is a lack of willingness.


A lot from columns A, B, and C, in my opinion...seasoned with sociopathic and theocratic tendencies.
 
2017-06-28 05:21:41 PM  
Gee, who knew that courting extremists to garner the votes of their supporters also means that the extremists can play "turd in the punch bowl" because you're not extreme enough for them as they wield the power you voluntarily gave them to thwart your desires?

There isn't a "...well, duh..." big enough for these morons. The best part is realizing that they cannot blame this on Democrat intransigence - the extremists in their own party are tanking them because they believe that the GOP just isn't zealous enough in their persecution of the poor.

I had to listen to some moron exclaim that the reason that they weren't going to vote for the latest brand of Trumpdontcare is that it didn't cut benefits far enough. "It's just not screwing enough folks to line the pockets of the rich," they more or less exclaimed.

No farking sympathy whatsoever. This is the world you wanted, you GOP cockswabs, so stop biatching. You enlisted the aid of everyone from the Kochs to the Russians to make this bed, so, farking sleep in it.
 
2017-06-28 05:22:15 PM  

hubiestubert: Of course not.

The party has been concerned about winning. So much so that they've never thought about what they're actually going to do, or how they're going to accomplish any of the bullsh*t that they spun to win. Because the mechanics of our government, our Constitution even, absolutely resists most of the crap that they've spun. Religious freedom, equality under the law, and so many laws that have been passed in accordance to those foundations exist. And no amount of feet stamping is going to undercut that. No amount of chest thumping is going to allow either the confiscation of arms that they claim will occur under Democrats' watch, nor will it allow them to make Christianity the ONLY faith in this country.

When you campaign on fear and patriotism, you can get into office, but unless you have an actual plan beyond, "LET'S BURN THIS MOTHER DOWN!" you're not going to get very far. Especially with colleagues who have been at this a while, and DO have their own agendas and their own goals, and they WILL dig in their heels when you start to gather the firewood for a Constitution burning and when you start to squirt lighter fluid on institutions that their constituents rely on.

The GOP bet that they could GET bodies into office on rage and protests against the status quo. And they did. They got a lot of amateurs who have NO actual government experience, who have no interest in actually governing and NOW they're surprised that they can't get anything done?

Some of us who WERE with the party awhile, grew kind of disgusted with the party as it leaned harder and harder on folks who HATE the concept of government, and who really DON'T like MOST of the country. Who don't want to pay for anything, who don't want the government to do anything, and who are just taking up space, and soaking up a stipend from the Fed to wave their hands around, and skim as much as they can into their own pockets. And when we said, "Hey, this is NOT a good trend, and maybe we should think about this" we were told we were RINOs. We weren't "Real Republicans" because we didn't despise people.

Y'all bet on despising your own countrymen, and now you're surprised that betting on hate and bile spewing jackanapes without sense, education, nor experience can't get anything done? You bet on folks who could spout ideology, but can't think, and don't compromise, and NOW you have the audacity to wail on how you can't get anything done?

We tried to warn you. Then we left, when you went down the garden path, singing merrily about burnin' this mother down.

You got what you wanted, and now you're soaking in it. Enjoy, you jackanapes. Breathe it in.


I agree with them on one thing - the government needs a MASSIVE realignment to meet the actual needs of the people. It has gotten bloated, and pieces operate solely through bureaucratic inertia.

Of course, I think the solution is to modernize, streamline, and reorient the government and its programs to a 'citizen as customer' centric model; not to hack at it in increasingly irrational way.

You want to get rid of departments? Ok! Let's talk! Housing assistance (HUD), Medicaid (CMS), retraining and unemployment assistance (various depts), SS Survivor benefits, the VA, food stamps, SNAP... Those are all disjointed attempts at doing the same thing for many of the same people - assisting those who might warrant some extra help. Let's take them and give the people applying a single Point of Contact or even merge them into a new Dept. focused on assistance and getting people to self sufficiency.

The answer isn't to cut the programs.
 
2017-06-28 05:23:23 PM  
Since '80 your party has lived by the mantra that government is always the problem and shunned that book learning nonsense, embracing the go with your gut style. So yeah, real farking shocker there.
 
2017-06-28 05:23:38 PM  

Animatronik: The difference being that Democrats avoid a budget (and governong) altogether, and simply declare victory.


Citation needed.
 
2017-06-28 05:26:58 PM  
Both parties are trapped in roles opposite from their default.  The GOP is trapped into pushing a fairly radical economic and social agenda because they have a rabid base that will eat them alive if they don't start coming through on pie-in-the-sky rhetoric that they used during the Republican's time in the minority.  They're playing the role of progressives and they suck at it.

Meanwhile, the Democrats, relegated to an impotent minority, have to "stand astride the flow of progress and scream STOP!".  They're reduced to using the media and legislative tactics to obstruct and slow down whatever they can, as pointless as it may be.  They're playing the role of classical conservatives and they suck at it.

I don't know what the point was here, I just find it infinitely amusing for some reason.
 
2017-06-28 05:28:46 PM  

parasol: and nowhere will the DNC use these sad confessions as rocket fuel for 2018

such a waste


I thought that you can't run a campaign simply on "we're not the other guy."
 
2017-06-28 05:30:01 PM  

vrax: I'm an Egyptian!: vrax: I'm an Egyptian!: If all Republicans died horrible deaths, it would leave the world no poorer.

You know, it could even been a boon to the world:

[img.fark.net image 500x500]

I dunno. Have you seen your average Trumper? No telling what communicable diseases are in that!

We'll take care of that in the processing stage.  For the first time, Republicans will be 100% safe.  It will actually be a reformulation and rebranding of "Soylent Red" with a little elephant on each wafer.


Hmmm. Your ideas are intriguing. You wouldn't happen to have a prospectus, would you?
 
2017-06-28 05:30:39 PM  

Animatronik: The difference being that Democrats avoid a budget (and governong) altogether, and simply declare victory.


Gods, I hope you haven't bred.
 
2017-06-28 05:31:00 PM  

Animatronik: BSABSVR

 
2017-06-28 05:31:06 PM  

hubiestubert: the confiscation of arms

i.imgflip.com
 
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