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2017-06-22 07:54:13 PM  
So many topics, so little time.
 
2017-06-22 07:58:46 PM  

KarmicDisaster: So many topics, so little time.


No kidding.  I'm starting to think this should be opened for the entire prime time block.
 
2017-06-22 07:59:30 PM  
I thought the other thread was the Rachel thread for tonight?


Whelp. I've already shot my load.
 
2017-06-22 08:14:56 PM  

kimwim: I thought the other thread was the Rachel thread for tonight?


Whelp. I've already shot my load.


What other thread?  I didn't see one when I came in.  If you supply a link, I'll have this one redlit and we can go there.
 
2017-06-22 08:17:04 PM  

Praise Cheesus: kimwim: I thought the other thread was the Rachel thread for tonight?


Whelp. I've already shot my load.

What other thread?  I didn't see one when I came in.  If you supply a link, I'll have this one redlit and we can go there.


Well, I don't know if it's really a rachel thread, and perhaps I drove it off the cliff already.
 
2017-06-22 08:18:20 PM  

kimwim: I thought the other thread was the Rachel thread for tonight?


Whelp. I've already shot my load.


Oh, you mean the news dump thread?  Heck, I guess we could take those over.  It would save me having to set this up as soon as I come in the door after work.
 
2017-06-22 08:43:41 PM  
hi everybody!

so, wait, we stayin here, we invading the news dump thread, what's the plan?
 
2017-06-22 08:44:25 PM  
I'm going to post this here because it's the Rachel thread. And I love you all.

It may be long, but we've got 15 minutes  til happy hour.

With the health care system threatened, Obama speaks up
06/22/17 04:49 PM
By Steve Benen
In the American tradition, former presidents tend to say very little about their successors. And with this in mind, while Barack Obama has no doubt been tempted in recent months to condemn Donald Trump and his actions, Obama has been restrained, giving the new president a wide berth.
But just a couple of days before Trump's inauguration, Obama acknowledged that while the White House and Congress would make their own determinations about the nation's direction in the coming years, and he intended to stay out of it, that principle is not absolute.
"There's a difference," Obama said, "between that normal functioning of politics and certain issues or certain moments where I think our core values may be at stake."
Less than two weeks after leaving office, this led Obama to issue a statement responding to the Trump White House's proposed Muslim ban. This afternoon, with the American health care system in peril, the former president spoke up again, this time via social media.
The Democrat's 1,000-word statement is worth reading in its entirety, and it clearly has more than one audience in mind. Part of Obama's message clearly intends to encourage health care advocates and their allies to remain engaged and fight to prevent the nation from falling backwards.
But the other part of the message appears to be a challenge to Republican policymakers to do the right thing:

"[I have been careful] to say again and again that while the Affordable Care Act represented a significant step forward for America, it was not perfect, nor could it be the end of our efforts - and that if Republicans could put together a plan that is demonstrably better than the improvements we made to our health care system, that covers as many people at less cost, I would gladly and publicly support it.
"That remains true. So I still hope that there are enough Republicans in Congress who remember that public service is not about sport or notching a political win, that there's a reason we all chose to serve in the first place, and that hopefully, it's to make people's lives better, not worse.
"But right now, after eight years, the legislation rushed through the House and the Senate without public hearings or debate would do the opposite. It would raise costs, reduce coverage, roll back protections, and ruin Medicaid as we know it. That's not my opinion, but rather the conclusion of all objective analyses, from the nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office, which found that 23 million Americans would lose insurance, to America's doctors, nurses, and hospitals on the front lines of our health care system.
"The Senate bill, unveiled today, is not a health care bill. It's a massive transfer of wealth from middle-class and poor families to the richest people in America. It hands enormous tax cuts to the rich and to the drug and insurance industries, paid for by cutting health care for everybody else. Those with private insurance will experience higher premiums and higher deductibles, with lower tax credits to help working families cover the costs, even as their plans might no longer cover pregnancy, mental health care, or expensive prescriptions. Discrimination based on pre-existing conditions could become the norm again. Millions of families will lose coverage entirely.
"Simply put, if there's a chance you might get sick, get old, or start a family - this bill will do you harm. And small tweaks over the course of the next couple weeks, under the guise of making these bills easier to stomach, cannot change the fundamental meanness at the core of this legislation.
"I hope our Senators ask themselves - what will happen to the Americans grappling with opioid addiction who suddenly lose their coverage? What will happen to pregnant mothers, children with disabilities, poor adults and seniors who need long-term care once they can no longer count on Medicaid? What will happen if you have a medical emergency when insurance companies are once again allowed to exclude the benefits you need, send you unlimited bills, or set unaffordable deductibles? What impossible choices will working parents be forced to make if their child's cancer treatment costs them more than their life savings?
"To put the American people through that pain - while giving billionaires and corporations a massive tax cut in return - that's tough to fathom. But it's what's at stake right now. So it remains my fervent hope that we step back and try to deliver on what the American people need."
GOP senators, who refused to work with Obama on health care during his two terms, are likely to ignore this advice. The vote is expected a week from today.
 
2017-06-22 08:51:21 PM  
What ever happened to addressing prescription drug prices??  There was talk about allowing Medicare (Medicaid?) to negotiate what they'd pay or allowing more generics.  This could have actually helped.  Seems to have disappeared from everyone's talking points.
 
2017-06-22 08:51:30 PM  

stickmangrit: hi everybody!

so, wait, we stayin here, we invading the news dump thread, what's the plan?


I'm all for staying here tonight.  If anyone would rather we take over the news dump in the future, speak now or forever hold your peace.

On the upside, I found out the place where I started as a temp this week has decided if you're smart and catch on quick during training, they're willing to waive the 3-6 month term of the contract and bring you on direct to the company.

I've not been in training yet, as they have 2 others coming in on Monday and the trainer for that department has been out of town for his additional training.  I started on Monday morning.  Today, I started hands on with systems input because I was bored shadowing.
 
2017-06-22 08:53:14 PM  
I'll stay here.

It sounds like you're going to be the trainer by end of September.
 
2017-06-22 08:53:29 PM  
Can't you guys just paint him orange and switch them when Trump goes to the washroom?
 
2017-06-22 08:53:47 PM  
Hmm "Systems input."  The job sounds so exciting.
 
2017-06-22 08:54:03 PM  

Mycroft_Holmes_IV: What ever happened to addressing prescription drug prices??  There was talk about allowing Medicare (Medicaid?) to negotiate what they'd pay or allowing more generics.  This could have actually helped.  Seems to have disappeared from everyone's talking points.


it died because it's a sensible option that would broadly help the american people whilst harming the bottom lines of certain major donors.

because obviously we can't be allowing shiat like that to happen, that's unmurikan...
 
2017-06-22 08:54:55 PM  
img.fark.net
 
2017-06-22 08:55:10 PM  

Praise Cheesus: stickmangrit: hi everybody!

so, wait, we stayin here, we invading the news dump thread, what's the plan?

I'm all for staying here tonight.  If anyone would rather we take over the news dump in the future, speak now or forever hold your peace.

On the upside, I found out the place where I started as a temp this week has decided if you're smart and catch on quick during training, they're willing to waive the 3-6 month term of the contract and bring you on direct to the company.

I've not been in training yet, as they have 2 others coming in on Monday and the trainer for that department has been out of town for his additional training.  I started on Monday morning.  Today, I started hands on with systems input because I was bored shadowing.


I'll stay here too... I'll be good.

What are you training for?
 
2017-06-22 08:56:03 PM  

Kegovitch: I'll be good.


where the fark's the fun in that? i doubt any of us will...
 
2017-06-22 09:01:18 PM  
I'm taking the whole first week of July off.  Screw this shiat, I need a vacation.
 
2017-06-22 09:03:45 PM  
Hi Rach!

(I guess, we're busy getting off netflix T. Roosevelt doc.)
 
2017-06-22 09:03:49 PM  

kimwim: I'm going to post this here because it's the Rachel thread. And I love you all.


My husband is on hydrocodone for pain management due to a pair of class 2 lumbar disk herniations that press into his spinal column.  He's in constant pain but is frightened of undergoing a spinal fusion because he's witnessed the results of when they go wrong.  He gets 30 pills per month.  Because of the casual prescribing of opioids in the past, he has to go to the pharmacy with a physical prescription.  His pain management doctor has to drug test him every month and if anything he doesn't have a prescription for shows up, he loses his pain meds.

So, fark these damn ghouls in Congress for being rat bastards.
 
2017-06-22 09:04:25 PM  
What year are we learning about?
 
2017-06-22 09:05:04 PM  

Mycroft_Holmes_IV: Hmm "Systems input."  The job sounds so exciting.


Oh yeah.  Chances are if you have a tax escrow account attached to a mortgage - the company I work for is the "tax department" of your mortgage servicer.
 
2017-06-22 09:05:27 PM  
(watches the airlock door in a fit of deep anxiety)
 
2017-06-22 09:05:27 PM  
I know what this is about.
 
2017-06-22 09:06:03 PM  

kimwim: What year are we learning about?


Originally, 1978 in Denver.
 
2017-06-22 09:06:11 PM  

kimwim: What year are we learning about?


Every year the disabled stood up for their rights.
 
2017-06-22 09:06:31 PM  
we're gonna tie this into the woman getting pulled out of her wheelchair at Yertles office aren't we. that's the only logical direction for this to go...
 
2017-06-22 09:07:35 PM  
Ah, DNC protests in 84 - I was at the convention, advocating for the rights of the handicapped.
 
2017-06-22 09:07:52 PM  

stickmangrit: we're gonna tie this into the woman getting pulled out of her wheelchair at Yertles office aren't we. that's the only logical direction for this to go...


Yeppers
 
2017-06-22 09:08:08 PM  

stickmangrit: we're gonna tie this into the woman getting pulled out of her wheelchair at Yertles office aren't we. that's the only logical direction for this to go...


Of course.

Not that that is likely to matter at all.
 
2017-06-22 09:08:18 PM  
People have a right to protest, they don't have a right to keep other people from getting where they're going.  In wheelchairs or not, the Senate police were right for removing them from the halls today.
 
2017-06-22 09:08:26 PM  
I've been saying it all day, louder and louder. I farking hate republicans. I know what happened today. I'm disgusted by it.
 
2017-06-22 09:11:14 PM  

Johnny Rockets: People have a right to protest, they don't have a right to keep other people from getting where they're going.  In wheelchairs or not, the Senate police were right for removing them from the halls today.


see, funny thing about that, if i desperately want to avoid my boss because i know he's mad about a farkup i made, he actually does have the ability to stop me and take me into his office to chew me out over it, or fire me for running off unscheduled. maybe if Yertle wasn't avoiding his bosses so hard, they wouldn't have to resort to drastic measures.
 
2017-06-22 09:11:14 PM  

Johnny Rockets: People have a right to protest, they don't have a right to keep other people from getting where they're going.  In wheelchairs or not, the Senate police were right for removing them from the halls today.


I'm torn.  I kinda agree on principle.  Yet I also applaud them for doing it, because it actually does stand out where simply picketing outside would not.
 
2017-06-22 09:11:25 PM  
Reading between the lines: In his Twitter statement #Trump said he personally never recorded #Comey and he personally doesn't possess any tapes, but Trump suggested recordings and possession of such recordings by others of Comey may or may not exist.
By suggesting other methods of surveillance of Comey may exist Trump is saying one of two things:

Either,

This is another intimidation tactic and this implication of other surveillance does not exist, and thus Trump is lying, and perhaps obstructing justice.

Or,

Trump, and his attorneys, may be aware of other surveillance methods and people that may have recordings of Comey and Trump's conversation. Thus, Trump's statement isn't entirely false. If that's the case then that may open the way for new investigations and subpoenas of the surveillance in question.

Either way, Trump's statement on the Comey "tapes" does not clear things up, and could potentially bring on new problems.
 
2017-06-22 09:12:07 PM  
I say stay here!

Tonight we speak about my people: the gimps!
 
2017-06-22 09:12:46 PM  

JulieAzel626: Reading between the lines: In his Twitter statement #Trump said he personally never recorded #Comey and he personally doesn't possess any tapes, but Trump suggested recordings and possession of such recordings by others of Comey may or may not exist.
By suggesting other methods of surveillance of Comey may exist Trump is saying one of two things:

Either,

This is another intimidation tactic and this implication of other surveillance does not exist, and thus Trump is lying, and perhaps obstructing justice.

Or,

Trump, and his attorneys, may be aware of other surveillance methods and people that may have recordings of Comey and Trump's conversation. Thus, Trump's statement isn't entirely false. If that's the case then that may open the way for new investigations and subpoenas of the surveillance in question.

Either way, Trump's statement on the Comey "tapes" does not clear things up, and could potentially bring on new problems.


That was something I wrote on social media and thought I would share it here with my Maddow watching friends.
 
2017-06-22 09:13:39 PM  

Darth_Lukecash: I say stay here!

Tonight we speak about my people: the gimps!


"Bring out the gimps."
 
2017-06-22 09:13:39 PM  

JulieAzel626: Reading between the lines:


you sure your in the right thread?

also, oh shiat we're goin broad-scope over the healthcare bill for the a-block at least. wonder if she'll let it have the b-block too and let Lawrence tag in for the rest again...
 
2017-06-22 09:13:44 PM  
Medicaid!
 
2017-06-22 09:14:13 PM  

Johnny Rockets: People have a right to protest, they don't have a right to keep other people from getting where they're going.  In wheelchairs or not, the Senate police were right for removing them from the halls today.


Bullcookies.  Yertle and Company are trying to kill people to give billionaires a tax break.  fark those assholes, they can be inconvenienced.
 
2017-06-22 09:14:25 PM  

JulieAzel626: That was something I wrote on social media and thought I would share it here with my Maddow watching friends.


ah, apologies. carry on, then...
 
2017-06-22 09:15:08 PM  

Johnny Rockets: People have a right to protest, they don't have a right to keep other people from getting where they're going.  In wheelchairs or not, the Senate police were right for removing them from the halls today.


Protest however you want. Face the consequences.

You hit somebody, get arrested for assault.
Block a road peacefully, get carted away for resisting arrest.
 
2017-06-22 09:15:42 PM  

Mycroft_Holmes_IV: Darth_Lukecash: I say stay here!

Tonight we speak about my people: the gimps!

"Bring out the gimps."


It's hard being in the basement all day.
 
2017-06-22 09:15:49 PM  

Darth_Lukecash: Johnny Rockets: People have a right to protest, they don't have a right to keep other people from getting where they're going.  In wheelchairs or not, the Senate police were right for removing them from the halls today.

Protest however you want. Face the consequences.

You hit somebody, get arrested for assault.
Block a road peacefully, get carted away for resisting arrest.


also, this^^^
 
2017-06-22 09:16:57 PM  

JulieAzel626: Reading between the lines:

....Trump's statement on the Comey "tapes" does not clear things up, and could potentially bring on new problems.


I thought so too.  Written too carefully, and yet NOT saying "his office" or "The White House" did not do it and does not have recordings of any kind.  Just say HE doesn't have tapes.
 
2017-06-22 09:17:20 PM  
"meat axe"

I weep
 
2017-06-22 09:17:58 PM  
jesus farking wept...
 
2017-06-22 09:19:45 PM  
ah, there's our tie-in.

farking ell this will get ugly...
 
2017-06-22 09:20:31 PM  
Guess I'll ask it here, too.

This bill was obviously designed for maximum blame-shifting.  So, if we take back the House, Senate, and White House over the next few years, couldn't this stupid shiat get killed before it starts?
 
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