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2017-06-19 01:17:35 PM  
This should be an interesting thread.
 
2017-06-19 01:26:27 PM  
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2017-06-19 01:27:43 PM  
FTFA:  "Sanders the individual now gobbles up so much airtime and column inches that he threatens to eclipse the American left."

So Bernie is a cult of personality now because he actually has a platform?

It's a bad idea to go down to the peer by yourself after dark.

Not sure why it's a bad idea for Bernie to at least make a charge in the primary.
 
2017-06-19 01:29:20 PM  
Bernie is old and tired. Let's cut out the middle man and go straight to the source
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Reich
 
2017-06-19 01:29:39 PM  
*LADIES AND GENTLEMAN
MAY I HAVE YOUR ATTENTION PLEASE
THIS IS NOT A DRILL
POOP IS COMING OUT
I REPEAT POOP IS COMING OUT
*
 
2017-06-19 01:33:42 PM  
I'm not sure I'd vote for him in the 2020 primary, but if he runs and wins would subby and TFAuthor not support him?
 
2017-06-19 01:34:31 PM  

AdmirableSnackbar: I'm not sure I'd vote for him in the 2020 primary, but if he runs and wins would subby and TFAuthor not support him?


Of course they wouldn't.  It's Her Turn.
 
2017-06-19 01:41:51 PM  
I don't want it so I don't feel bad.
 
2017-06-19 01:42:13 PM  
Nobody over the age of 65 should run for president.  The job requires too much energy for an old person.
 
2017-06-19 01:46:21 PM  
He's certainly the best choice out of the handful of trial balloons the Democrats have floated, except for maybe Biden.  But again, old.  The field is pretty thin for 2020.
 
2017-06-19 01:49:51 PM  

Fark It: He's certainly the best choice out of the handful of trial balloons the Democrats have floated, except for maybe Biden.  But again, old.  The field is pretty thin for 2020.


There's a fair chance that the next Dem nominee will be someone nobody has heard of yet.  A dark horse candidate not unlike Obama or Clinton.  Barack Obama was certainly not a household name in 2005.
 
2017-06-19 01:51:27 PM  

Fark It: He's certainly the best choice out of the handful of trial balloons the Democrats have floated, except for maybe Biden.  But again, old.  The field is pretty thin for 2020.


But the minute you ask the question "Why is the Democratic bench so thin?" or the follow-on "Who is responsible for recruiting and running Democratic candidates?" it turns into a flamewar of denials and fingerpointing.
 
2017-06-19 01:51:56 PM  

ginandbacon: This should be an interesting thread.


Nah. Bernie supporters will never admit they helped get Trump elected.

They got all butt-hurt when he dropped out and decided it was a good idea to vote for Jill Stein even though they knew she had zero shot at winning. There's no butt-hurt quite like Bernie bro butt-hurt.
 
2017-06-19 01:53:10 PM  
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2017-06-19 01:53:19 PM  

nekom: Fark It: He's certainly the best choice out of the handful of trial balloons the Democrats have floated, except for maybe Biden.  But again, old.  The field is pretty thin for 2020.

There's a fair chance that the next Dem nominee will be someone nobody has heard of yet.  A dark horse candidate not unlike Obama or Clinton.  Barack Obama was certainly not a household name in 2005.


Pretty sure part of his appeal was not being part of the "machine" or "establishment" for decades, not that the Dems would ever heed the feelings of the middle/undecided/independent voters who ultimately decide the winner.
 
2017-06-19 01:53:38 PM  

null: But the minute you ask the question "Why is the Democratic bench so thin?"


Who does the GOP have on deck?  Cruz? Rubio? JEB!?  A bunch of losers.
 
2017-06-19 01:54:39 PM  

abhorrent1: ginandbacon: This should be an interesting thread.

Nah. Bernie supporters will never admit they helped get Trump elected.

They got all butt-hurt when he dropped out and decided it was a good idea to vote for Jill Stein even though they knew she had zero shot at winning. There's no butt-hurt quite like Bernie bro butt-hurt.


How about all the Never Trumpers who voted for Johnson or stayed home instead of holding their noses and voting for Hillary?  How come we never hear anyone mention that?
 
2017-06-19 01:55:11 PM  

nekom: Fark It: He's certainly the best choice out of the handful of trial balloons the Democrats have floated, except for maybe Biden.  But again, old.  The field is pretty thin for 2020.

There's a fair chance that the next Dem nominee will be someone nobody has heard of yet.  A dark horse candidate not unlike Obama or Clinton.  Barack Obama was certainly not a household name in 2005.


You have more faith the DNC than I can seem to muster.
 
2017-06-19 01:55:42 PM  

Marcus Aurelius: null: But the minute you ask the question "Why is the Democratic bench so thin?"

Who does the GOP have on deck?  Cruz? Rubio? JEB!?  A bunch of losers.


Mr. Trump, put down the phone and get the fark back to work.
 
2017-06-19 01:56:24 PM  

nekom: Fark It: He's certainly the best choice out of the handful of trial balloons the Democrats have floated, except for maybe Biden.  But again, old.  The field is pretty thin for 2020.

There's a fair chance that the next Dem nominee will be someone nobody has heard of yet.  A dark horse candidate not unlike Obama or Clinton.  Barack Obama was certainly not a household name in 2005.


Nah, after his DNC speech in....2004? people were pretty much saying he should be the next dem nominee.

Dems have a lot of younger talent, but you need more than that to be president.  For one thing, you have to want to be president and that's a harder requirement to fill on the dem side than the rep side.  Any grifter wannabe wants to run for president as a republican and they're almost all barking crazy.   Dems tend not to want to run for president to screw people over and get rich so fewer democrats want to endure the rigors of a presidential campaign much less endure the slings and arrows of BEING president.

And that's okay, but we do need fresher talent to counterbalance the crazy on the republican side.  Obama won by appealing to people's hope.  We need someone who can do that again.
 
2017-06-19 01:56:37 PM  

null: abhorrent1: ginandbacon: This should be an interesting thread.

Nah. Bernie supporters will never admit they helped get Trump elected.

They got all butt-hurt when he dropped out and decided it was a good idea to vote for Jill Stein even though they knew she had zero shot at winning. There's no butt-hurt quite like Bernie bro butt-hurt.

How about all the Never Trumpers who voted for Johnson or stayed home instead of holding their noses and voting for Hillary?  How come we never hear anyone mention that?


That story doesn't fit the narrative of "Hillary and the Highly Unreasonable Bernie Bro".
 
2017-06-19 01:58:52 PM  
I don't think that Sanders himself would disagree with much of what's mentioned in TFA.  In fact The Sanders Institute and Our Revolution efforts are aimed at doing most of what the author calls for.  I don't think that Sanders is so ego driven that he would oppose a younger candidate whose track record and policy positions are in accord with his own if he thought they would be successful in the general election and put those policies into effect.
 
2017-06-19 01:59:22 PM  

Fark It: He's certainly the best choice out of the handful of trial balloons the Democrats have floated, except for maybe Biden.  But again, old.  The field is pretty thin for 2020.


Heinrich looked pretty good at that last hearing
 
2017-06-19 01:59:34 PM  

Marcus Aurelius: null: abhorrent1: ginandbacon: This should be an interesting thread.

Nah. Bernie supporters will never admit they helped get Trump elected.

They got all butt-hurt when he dropped out and decided it was a good idea to vote for Jill Stein even though they knew she had zero shot at winning. There's no butt-hurt quite like Bernie bro butt-hurt.

How about all the Never Trumpers who voted for Johnson or stayed home instead of holding their noses and voting for Hillary?  How come we never hear anyone mention that?

That story doesn't fit the narrative of "Hillary and the Highly Unreasonable Bernie Bro".


Neither does the fact that I work with two people who voted for Trump and state that they did it as a vote against Hillary and if it would have been Bernie vs. Trump they would have stayed home or not voted.  Guess that wouldn't have mattered here in Ohio and these people in no way represent the feelings of others in the Great Midwest Firewall that Hillary thought she had a lock on.

Bonus points: I work in a union shop.
 
2017-06-19 02:00:00 PM  

null: Fark It: He's certainly the best choice out of the handful of trial balloons the Democrats have floated, except for maybe Biden.  But again, old.  The field is pretty thin for 2020.

But the minute you ask the question "Why is the Democratic bench so thin?" or the follow-on "Who is responsible for recruiting and running Democratic candidates?" it turns into a flamewar of denials and fingerpointing.


It is unequivocally the fault of the DNC, including and especially the party's leadership and the "establishment."  They have undervalued small local elections for years and have focused too much on the next midterm or presidential election.  That and they have no real platform or message other than opposition to Trump at the moment, where before they had no real counter to Trump's brand of economic populism, which mostly blamed immigrants and poor people (along with democrats).  The coasts will always be blue, they need to go after America's gooey center.
 
2017-06-19 02:01:11 PM  

abhorrent1: ginandbacon: This should be an interesting thread.


Nah. Bernie supporters will never admit they helped get Trump elected.


I was a Bernie supporter. I didn't help get Trump elected. I voted for him in the Primary. I voted for Clinton in the general, even though there was no point since I'm in California. I was there to vote for the remainder of the ballot, though, so there wasn't any reason no to.
 
2017-06-19 02:02:15 PM  

null: abhorrent1: ginandbacon: This should be an interesting thread.

Nah. Bernie supporters will never admit they helped get Trump elected.

They got all butt-hurt when he dropped out and decided it was a good idea to vote for Jill Stein even though they knew she had zero shot at winning. There's no butt-hurt quite like Bernie bro butt-hurt.

How about all the Never Trumpers who voted for Johnson or stayed home instead of holding their noses and voting for Hillary?  How come we never hear anyone mention that?


I hope they all get their health care taken away and die. It was a two horse race and everyone damn well knew it. They all cut off their nose to spite their face and well, here we are because of it.

Good jerb, guys.
 
2017-06-19 02:04:43 PM  

timujin: abhorrent1: ginandbacon: This should be an interesting thread.


Nah. Bernie supporters will never admit they helped get Trump elected.

I was a Bernie supporter. I didn't help get Trump elected. I voted for him in the Primary. I voted for Clinton in the general, even though there was no point since I'm in California. I was there to vote for the remainder of the ballot, though, so there wasn't any reason no to.


Everyone I personally know who voted for Bernie in the primary voted for Hillary in November, myself included.  I realize it's just an anecdote but I think the "berniebro" types are a vocal minority.  And I'm in PA so my vote absolutely mattered, it just wasn't enough.
 
2017-06-19 02:04:47 PM  

abhorrent1: Nah. Bernie supporters will never admit they helped get Trump elected.

They got all butt-hurt when he dropped out and decided it was a good idea to vote for Jill Stein even though they knew she had zero shot at winning. There's no butt-hurt quite like Bernie bro butt-hurt.


So it's the fault of Sander's supporters that Hillary ignored Wisconsin, Michigan, Pennsylvania?  It's their fault that her campaign ignored data that showed those states were all much more competitive than expected?
 
2017-06-19 02:09:14 PM  
The 2016 Dem primary is like Nam for some people. They'll never be able to move past it.
 
2017-06-19 02:17:00 PM  

Fark It: abhorrent1: Nah. Bernie supporters will never admit they helped get Trump elected.

They got all butt-hurt when he dropped out and decided it was a good idea to vote for Jill Stein even though they knew she had zero shot at winning. There's no butt-hurt quite like Bernie bro butt-hurt.

So it's the fault of Sander's supporters that Hillary ignored Wisconsin, Michigan, Pennsylvania?  It's their fault that her campaign ignored data that showed those states were all much more competitive than expected?


Yeah, all of those Bernie Bros should have fallen in line and showed up to vote for Her Royal Clintonness.

Okay, and can we talk about how Russia didn't have to do much to turn people against her because she came with plenty of baggage full of ammo to be used against her?  If you go "bu-bu-but RUSSIA!" you have to admit she made it too damn easy.  How f*cking hard is it, after the Bush White House got caught doing government business on RNC email servers, to NOT DO WHAT THE REPUBLICANS DID?  Or was that part of the DNC strategy to act like Republicans to garner votes, because that's how stupid being a Clinton and doing something the GOP did and expecting them to not hypocritically attack you over it is.
 
2017-06-19 02:17:37 PM  

nekom: timujin: abhorrent1: ginandbacon: This should be an interesting thread.


Nah. Bernie supporters will never admit they helped get Trump elected.

I was a Bernie supporter. I didn't help get Trump elected. I voted for him in the Primary. I voted for Clinton in the general, even though there was no point since I'm in California. I was there to vote for the remainder of the ballot, though, so there wasn't any reason no to.

Everyone I personally know who voted for Bernie in the primary voted for Hillary in November, myself included.  I realize it's just an anecdote but I think the "berniebro" types are a vocal minority.  And I'm in PA so my vote absolutely mattered, it just wasn't enough.


That's what I believe to--none of the folks I know who supported Bernie in the Primary failed to vote for Hillary. The Comey announcement about Weiner's emails TANKED her poll numbers in the suburbs. That and active voter suppression and gerrymandering and Russia undid our democracy. It's so dangerous.
 
2017-06-19 02:20:49 PM  
Dwayne Johnson/Tom Hanks 2020
 
2017-06-19 02:21:31 PM  

Byno: So Bernie is a cult of personality now because he actually has a platform?


The rest of the left had a platform too, buddy.  That has nothing to do with the issue at hand.
 
2017-06-19 02:22:43 PM  

HedlessChickn: *LADIES AND GENTLEMAN
MAY I HAVE YOUR ATTENTION PLEASE
THIS IS NOT A DRILL
POOP IS COMING OUT
I REPEAT POOP IS COMING OUT*


I'm so tired of this.
 
2017-06-19 02:23:16 PM  

Grand_Moff_Joseph: Dwayne Johnson/


Yes because we need more republicans.
 
2017-06-19 02:24:22 PM  
 Doesn't matter, Trump will win 2020 for the same reason Obama won. See previous president for payback.
 
2017-06-19 02:24:51 PM  
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2017-06-19 02:24:54 PM  
Thread was over in the headline...but f*ck it, let's do this.

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2017-06-19 02:24:59 PM  
If he runs in the primary and the other candidates are dogshiat, I'd vote for him. Of course, my expectations are low at this point:

Someone Farking Competent 2020
 
2017-06-19 02:25:53 PM  
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2017-06-19 02:25:56 PM  
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2017-06-19 02:26:13 PM  

Fark It: abhorrent1: Nah. Bernie supporters will never admit they helped get Trump elected.

They got all butt-hurt when he dropped out and decided it was a good idea to vote for Jill Stein even though they knew she had zero shot at winning. There's no butt-hurt quite like Bernie bro butt-hurt.

So it's the fault of Sander's supporters that Hillary ignored Wisconsin, Michigan, Pennsylvania?  It's their fault that her campaign ignored data that showed those states were all much more competitive than expected?


Maybe it wouldn't have been so competitive if Bernie didn't side with trump on the attack initially.

"BUT HER PAID SPEECHES" ..."BUT HER EMAILS" ..."SHE'S A SHILL FOR WALL STREET" !

Hell, Trump credited Sanders with giving him a lot of good ammunition to use against her. By the time he dropped out, the damage was already done. Trumps margin of victory in those states was small enough that the if the Stein votes went to Hillary, she would have won those states.
 
2017-06-19 02:26:42 PM  
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2017-06-19 02:27:10 PM  
If kamala Harris started wearing her hair like Colin kaepernic I'd vote for her just for the sheer butthurt it would cause with the right wingers.
 
2017-06-19 02:27:26 PM  

timujin: Fark It: He's certainly the best choice out of the handful of trial balloons the Democrats have floated, except for maybe Biden.  But again, old.  The field is pretty thin for 2020.

Heinrich looked pretty good at that last hearing


Schiff has been impressive as well. Or Tammy Duckworth, Kamala Harris, Tim Kaine, A Castro, Al Franken...
 
2017-06-19 02:28:03 PM  

FortyHams: The 2016 Dem primary is like Nam for some people  Russian provocateurs. They'll never be able to move past it.


FTFY.

Here's how it works. We resist, remove the Tangerine Tyrant, and in the next election cycle, we vote for the best candidate, whomever that may be.

That's it.
But right now, the only people wanting to talk about this are people who'd rather talk about this than talk about other, more important things, like the fact that an enemy nation has hacked our elections and the current party in power may have had more than a hand in it.
 
2017-06-19 02:28:20 PM  

Byno: Not sure why it's a bad idea for Bernie to at least make a charge in the primary.


Because he's ninety farking years old.

Let him retire, for God's sake.  Let him pass the torch to a protege.  Just STOP trying to get him to die ignoble on the hopeless campaign trail.  Let him die with dignity.  DIGNITY!
 
2017-06-19 02:28:21 PM  
He'd be pretty old. I don't really think he should run for the big chair again, but should absolutely be involved.
 
2017-06-19 02:28:34 PM  
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