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(Forbes)   Good news, Washington Redskin fans. Thanks to a SCOTUS ruling, you can continue to wear and display your racist football paraphernalia for the foreseeable future   ( forbes.com) divider line
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2017-06-19 11:08:08 AM  
The real question is, do I wear my Deion Sanders or Albert Haynesworth jersey?
 
2017-06-19 11:49:04 AM  

foo monkey: The real question is, do I wear my Deion Sanders or Albert Haynesworth jersey?



I'd go with Mark Rypien...just because he is a Super Bowl MVPl and his daughter Angela is hot:

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/Look at his death stare...good luck to any guy who dates her.
 
2017-06-19 11:57:54 AM  
Good.
 
2017-06-19 12:01:35 PM  

Walker: Good.


Have to agree. Then we can log the companies that sponsor and advertise w/ them so we know who to avoid financially.
 
2017-06-19 12:11:14 PM  
This is a fine example of buying a better plaintiff.
 
2017-06-19 12:15:27 PM  
res.cloudinary.com
 
2017-06-19 12:24:27 PM  
img.fark.net
 
2017-06-19 12:26:05 PM  
OK, can we all move forward from this now?
 
2017-06-19 12:35:40 PM  
It's amazing that Washington gets all this flak, while the Cleveland Indians quietly motor on with a racist cartoon character on their uniforms. At least the Redskins logo has some dignity.
 
2017-06-19 12:39:20 PM  

bingethinker: It's amazing that Washington gets all this flak, while the Cleveland Indians quietly motor on with a racist cartoon character on their uniforms. At least the Redskins logo has some dignity.


Uh...
img.fark.net

/I still want a New York Jews hat
 
2017-06-19 12:41:06 PM  

bingethinker: It's amazing that Washington gets all this flak, while the Cleveland Indians quietly motor on with a racist cartoon character on their uniforms. At least the Redskins logo has some dignity.


Absolutely true.  The Cleveland Indians mascot is a very racist caricature.  The problem people have with Redskins is that it used to be a term for Indian scalps you could claim a bounty on and has been used by racists since.  The Redskins name is more tone deaf than intentional racism, but the Indians mascot is indefensible in my opinion.
 
2017-06-19 12:41:33 PM  

bingethinker: It's amazing that Washington gets all this flak, while the Cleveland Indians quietly motor on with a racist cartoon character on their uniforms. At least the Redskins logo has some dignity.


what are you on about? there's an entire wikipedia page dedicated to Chief Wahoo controversies. an activist in Canada just got a case moved forward that would prevent Cleveland from displaying their racist bullsh*t while playing the Blue Jays. Manfred has announced he wants them to transition away from it.
 
2017-06-19 12:42:15 PM  

Theaetetus: bingethinker: It's amazing that Washington gets all this flak, while the Cleveland Indians quietly motor on with a racist cartoon character on their uniforms. At least the Redskins logo has some dignity.

Uh...
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/I still want a New York Jews hat


Shouldn't the "SF Chinamen" hat be yellow?

/ducks
 
2017-06-19 12:44:07 PM  

Theaetetus: bingethinker: It's amazing that Washington gets all this flak, while the Cleveland Indians quietly motor on with a racist cartoon character on their uniforms. At least the Redskins logo has some dignity.

Uh...
[img.fark.net image 748x499]

/I still want a New York Jews hat


Chinaman is not the preferred nomenclature, Asian-American please.
 
2017-06-19 01:07:02 PM  

foo monkey: The real question is, do I wear my Deion Sanders or Albert Haynesworth jersey?


I have both, I often swap them out with My Archuletta and RGIII Jerseys


Used to be a redskin's Outlet store in town.  The minute a guy got cut, especially if he wasn';t fondly remember you could pick up  a $75 jersey for $2-3 and one of the Nice ones for under $10.....Except Chris Cooley's his stayed full price for years after (but he lived in town so HE may have been buying them all )


/also have a 44 , 81,and 28 because i actually AM a non-ironic fan from when they were good
 
2017-06-19 01:15:00 PM  

kdawg7736: OK, can we all move forward from this now?


I'm sure we can.  Especially when polling of native Americans show they really don't care.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/new-poll-finds-9-in-10-native-am​e​ricans-arent-offended-by-redskins-name/2016/05/18/3ea11cfa-161a-11e6-9​24d-838753295f9a_story.html
 
2017-06-19 01:16:16 PM  

nekom: bingethinker: It's amazing that Washington gets all this flak, while the Cleveland Indians quietly motor on with a racist cartoon character on their uniforms. At least the Redskins logo has some dignity.

Absolutely true.  The Cleveland Indians mascot is a very racist caricature.  The problem people have with Redskins is that it used to be a term for Indian scalps you could claim a bounty on and has been used by racists since.  The Redskins name is more tone deaf than intentional racism, but the Indians mascot is indefensible in my opinion.


It so isn't.  That's some made up revisionist bullshiat, with ZERO support in the historical record.   "redskin" means just that , someone with Red skin.   In our older and racist days when we used to have about 5 terms to differentiate  varying levels of blackness, and someone decided Asians skin tones were a shade of yellow, Native AMericans were decreed "red" as in "red man" or "red skin".  The Scalp story is as much made-up BS as the counter claim that it derives from the fact that certain East coast tribes used to pain t themselves with Ocher before battle and so the French Called them that.

Also for the record, the 'kins fans on't do the "tomahawk chop"   the Indians, Braves, Chiefs and Blackhawks fans do.  And if the local native Americans have found this name horribly offensive they certainly have a funny way of showing it, as all of the Skin's unofficial mascot, Chief Zee's regalia was authentic and donated by them.

Whatever the authentic feelings of actual native Americans, the trademark lawsuit was a pure cash grab oringinally filed by an activist who apparently found the name so horribly offensive that she filed a suit to cancel the trademark, but did absolutely nothing about the fact that her own reservation's high school run by the Red Mesa Navajo, call their football team the same thing and use the exact same logo
 
2017-06-19 01:27:06 PM  

Magorn: foo monkey: The real question is, do I wear my Deion Sanders or Albert Haynesworth jersey?

I have both, I often swap them out with My Archuletta and RGIII Jerseys


Used to be a redskin's Outlet store in town.  The minute a guy got cut, especially if he wasn';t fondly remember you could pick up  a $75 jersey for $2-3 and one of the Nice ones for under $10.....Except Chris Cooley's his stayed full price for years after (but he lived in town so HE may have been buying them all )


/also have a 44 , 81,and 28 because i actually AM a non-ironic fan from when they were good


From http://www.shopdullestowncenter.com/shop/102/washington-redskins​-offic​ial-store I'll give the orange one a pass.  Think it's Sean Taylor.

img.fark.net
 
2017-06-19 01:30:52 PM  

Magorn: foo monkey: The real question is, do I wear my Deion Sanders or Albert Haynesworth jersey?

I have both, I often swap them out with My Archuletta and RGIII Jerseys


Used to be a redskin's Outlet store in town.  The minute a guy got cut, especially if he wasn';t fondly remember you could pick up  a $75 jersey for $2-3 and one of the Nice ones for under $10.....Except Chris Cooley's his stayed full price for years after (but he lived in town so HE may have been buying them all )


/also have a 44 , 81,and 28 because i actually AM a non-ironic fan from when they were good


Cooley holds most franchise records for a TE, I'm guessing that has more to do with his Jersey still being sought after (he'll be in the Ring of Fame) than him buying them with whatever he makes off his pottery.
 
2017-06-19 01:33:34 PM  

Cataholic: kdawg7736: OK, can we all move forward from this now?

I'm sure we can.  Especially when polling of native Americans show they really don't care.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/new-poll-finds-9-in-10-native-ame​ricans-arent-offended-by-redskins-name/2016/05/18/3ea11cfa-161a-11e6-9​24d-838753295f9a_story.html

It's not exactly a great poll:  by its own admission, 56% of respondents were not members of any tribe.  So, people that may not really think of themselves, or act as Native Americans in most cases had significant influence on it.
Nonetheless, it's a slur.  It's part of the definition in every dictionary.  Did Marshall mean it to be a slur way back when?  Maybe, maybe not.  But it's almost certain that if he didn't actually intend it to offend, he nonetheless didn't care if It did.

Does Snyder mean it to be a slur?  Of course not.  Nor do current Skins' fans.  But that doesn't mean it shouldn't change.

/Long time Skins fan.  Monk's autograph on the program cover (where he was pictured) for his last game as a Skin is one of my prized possessions.  Still, I'd rather root for the Washington Warriors.
 
2017-06-19 01:35:00 PM  
Gotta love the U.S. Piss-poor education system, gun violence, world's shiattiest president, and there are those that make a fugging MASCOT a priority.


No, don't get off my lawn, get out of my country--we need moderate thinking.
 
2017-06-19 01:38:53 PM  

fastfxr: Gotta love the U.S. Piss-poor education system, gun violence, world's shiattiest president, and there are those that make a fugging MASCOT a priority.


No, don't get off my lawn, get out of my country--we need moderate thinking.


You do realize that we can work on all of those things at one time right?   They can ALL be priorities and ALL be worked on at the same time.
 
2017-06-19 01:43:11 PM  
As an American Indian I just watch and laugh at you people for making a big deal out of nothing. Now if you want to march me half way across the country again then I will probably have an issue.
 
2017-06-19 01:46:39 PM  
Just another hit piece against the NFL and Snyder. When is there finally going to be a call to action against the blatent soxism perpetuated by MLB team names and logos?
 
2017-06-19 01:48:43 PM  
Approves.
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2017-06-19 01:51:54 PM  

DoBeDoBeDo: Magorn: foo monkey: The real question is, do I wear my Deion Sanders or Albert Haynesworth jersey?

I have both, I often swap them out with My Archuletta and RGIII Jerseys


Used to be a redskin's Outlet store in town.  The minute a guy got cut, especially if he wasn';t fondly remember you could pick up  a $75 jersey for $2-3 and one of the Nice ones for under $10.....Except Chris Cooley's his stayed full price for years after (but he lived in town so HE may have been buying them all )


/also have a 44 , 81,and 28 because i actually AM a non-ironic fan from when they were good

Cooley holds most franchise records for a TE, I'm guessing that has more to do with his Jersey still being sought after (he'll be in the Ring of Fame) than him buying them with whatever he makes off his pottery.


Apparently he does Okay with the Gallery (and honestly he's pretty talented,   I wouldn't go so far as to say his BFA in ceramics WASN'T influenced by his NCAA eligibility, but he is actually pretty damn good) but it's more of a hobby/wife's passion project/ way to support local artists than a serious money maker.   His real money comes from commentating on the team-owned station (and rumors are he'll end up coaching for the team sooner rather than later)
 
2017-06-19 01:57:47 PM  

MindStalker: [res.cloudinary.com image 313x313]


Am I the only one annoyed they spent so much time on that plot line for so little payoff?

The best part of that was the Eli Manning clones
 
2017-06-19 02:04:59 PM  

Magorn: Whatever the authentic feelings of actual native Americans, the trademark lawsuit was a pure cash grab oringinally filed by an activist who apparently found the name so horribly offensive that she filed a suit to cancel the trademark...


... Uh, usually, when you call something a "pure cash grab", there's gotta be at least a shadow of a claim that some cash should change hands.
 
2017-06-19 02:18:15 PM  
From TPM's article on this:
"A federal appeals court had sided with the Slants in 2015, saying First Amendment protects "even hurtful speech that harms members of oft-stigmatized communities."

Perhaps, but I don't think this is working out quite as well as the Founding Fathers intended.
 
2017-06-19 02:18:52 PM  

Theaetetus: Magorn: Whatever the authentic feelings of actual native Americans, the trademark lawsuit was a pure cash grab oringinally filed by an activist who apparently found the name so horribly offensive that she filed a suit to cancel the trademark...

... Uh, usually, when you call something a "pure cash grab", there's gotta be at least a shadow of a claim that some cash should change hands.


There were failed "settlement negotiations" at the beginning of this lawsuit
 
2017-06-19 02:27:46 PM  

Magorn: Theaetetus: Magorn: Whatever the authentic feelings of actual native Americans, the trademark lawsuit was a pure cash grab oringinally filed by an activist who apparently found the name so horribly offensive that she filed a suit to cancel the trademark...

... Uh, usually, when you call something a "pure cash grab", there's gotta be at least a shadow of a claim that some cash should change hands.

There were failed "settlement negotiations" at the beginning of this lawsuit


"I'm suing you for $0!"
"Maybe we can make a deal. I'll offer you $0."
"Nope, no deal."

Still not sure that qualifies as a cash grab.
 
2017-06-19 02:31:51 PM  
I mean, seriously, Magorn, how can you even make that claim? There wasn't a possibility of a settlement. Harjo filed a petition before the TTAB to cancel the Redskins' mark, and they agreed. Boom, done, canceled. It's not like Harjo could've said "oh, wait, they just gave me a fat wad of cash, I guess it's not disparaging after all."
 
2017-06-19 02:36:04 PM  

Theaetetus: I mean, seriously, Magorn, how can you even make that claim? There wasn't a possibility of a settlement. Harjo filed a petition before the TTAB to cancel the Redskins' mark, and they agreed. Boom, done, canceled. It's not like Harjo could've said "oh, wait, they just gave me a fat wad of cash, I guess it's not disparaging after all."


According to lawyers I know, before the filing to cancel the mark was even made there was a letter and that letter indicated that a large enough donation to certain charitable foundations  would obviate the need for a filing.   Synder realized just how many tribes there were and just how legally dubious the "no offensive trademarks" thin was and decided to take his chances
 
2017-06-19 02:36:41 PM  
Fark you all.  I'm still gonna hate Dan Snyder's guts and wish him an ignoble fate.
 
2017-06-19 02:39:40 PM  

Magorn: Theaetetus: I mean, seriously, Magorn, how can you even make that claim? There wasn't a possibility of a settlement. Harjo filed a petition before the TTAB to cancel the Redskins' mark, and they agreed. Boom, done, canceled. It's not like Harjo could've said "oh, wait, they just gave me a fat wad of cash, I guess it's not disparaging after all."

According to lawyers I know, before the filing to cancel the mark was even made there was a letter and that letter indicated that a large enough donation to certain charitable foundations  would obviate the need for a filing.   Synder realized just how many tribes there were and just how legally dubious the "no offensive trademarks" thin was and decided to take his chances


Okay... Google shows absolutely nothing. Would those "lawyers you know" happen to be Snyder's lawyers?

/given that the TTAB ruled against him twice, he probably should've gone with the donation
 
2017-06-19 02:43:42 PM  

Magorn: DoBeDoBeDo: Magorn: foo monkey: The real question is, do I wear my Deion Sanders or Albert Haynesworth jersey?

I have both, I often swap them out with My Archuletta and RGIII Jerseys


Used to be a redskin's Outlet store in town.  The minute a guy got cut, especially if he wasn';t fondly remember you could pick up  a $75 jersey for $2-3 and one of the Nice ones for under $10.....Except Chris Cooley's his stayed full price for years after (but he lived in town so HE may have been buying them all )


/also have a 44 , 81,and 28 because i actually AM a non-ironic fan from when they were good

Cooley holds most franchise records for a TE, I'm guessing that has more to do with his Jersey still being sought after (he'll be in the Ring of Fame) than him buying them with whatever he makes off his pottery.

Apparently he does Okay with the Gallery (and honestly he's pretty talented,   I wouldn't go so far as to say his BFA in ceramics WASN'T influenced by his NCAA eligibility, but he is actually pretty damn good) but it's more of a hobby/wife's passion project/ way to support local artists than a serious money maker.   His real money comes from commentating on the team-owned station (and rumors are he'll end up coaching for the team sooner rather than later)


I'd say the real money came from the multi-million dollar contracts he had as a player :)   I doubt he's pulling down $30/6years as a commentator :)
 
2017-06-19 02:44:50 PM  
D'oh, that should have said $30 million/6years.   I hope he's making $30 over six years as a commentator.
 
2017-06-19 02:58:54 PM  

DoBeDoBeDo: Magorn: foo monkey: The real question is, do I wear my Deion Sanders or Albert Haynesworth jersey?

I have both, I often swap them out with My Archuletta and RGIII Jerseys


Used to be a redskin's Outlet store in town.  The minute a guy got cut, especially if he wasn';t fondly remember you could pick up  a $75 jersey for $2-3 and one of the Nice ones for under $10.....Except Chris Cooley's his stayed full price for years after (but he lived in town so HE may have been buying them all )


/also have a 44 , 81,and 28 because i actually AM a non-ironic fan from when they were good

Cooley holds most franchise records for a TE, I'm guessing that has more to do with his Jersey still being sought after (he'll be in the Ring of Fame) than him buying them with whatever he makes off his pottery.


Actually Jerry Smith holds most Redskins records for the TE position. He should be in the Hall of Fame.
 
2017-06-19 03:10:08 PM  

Theaetetus: Magorn: Theaetetus: I mean, seriously, Magorn, how can you even make that claim? There wasn't a possibility of a settlement. Harjo filed a petition before the TTAB to cancel the Redskins' mark, and they agreed. Boom, done, canceled. It's not like Harjo could've said "oh, wait, they just gave me a fat wad of cash, I guess it's not disparaging after all."

According to lawyers I know, before the filing to cancel the mark was even made there was a letter and that letter indicated that a large enough donation to certain charitable foundations  would obviate the need for a filing.   Synder realized just how many tribes there were and just how legally dubious the "no offensive trademarks" thin was and decided to take his chances

Okay... Google shows absolutely nothing. Would those "lawyers you know" happen to be Snyder's lawyers?

/given that the TTAB ruled against him twice, he probably should've gone with the donation


to be fair and forthright, they were at one point employed by the team...or at least their firm was...
 
2017-06-19 04:01:36 PM  

DoBeDoBeDo: Magorn: DoBeDoBeDo: Magorn: foo monkey: The real question is, do I wear my Deion Sanders or Albert Haynesworth jersey?

I have both, I often swap them out with My Archuletta and RGIII Jerseys


Used to be a redskin's Outlet store in town.  The minute a guy got cut, especially if he wasn';t fondly remember you could pick up  a $75 jersey for $2-3 and one of the Nice ones for under $10.....Except Chris Cooley's his stayed full price for years after (but he lived in town so HE may have been buying them all )


/also have a 44 , 81,and 28 because i actually AM a non-ironic fan from when they were good

Cooley holds most franchise records for a TE, I'm guessing that has more to do with his Jersey still being sought after (he'll be in the Ring of Fame) than him buying them with whatever he makes off his pottery.

Apparently he does Okay with the Gallery (and honestly he's pretty talented,   I wouldn't go so far as to say his BFA in ceramics WASN'T influenced by his NCAA eligibility, but he is actually pretty damn good) but it's more of a hobby/wife's passion project/ way to support local artists than a serious money maker.   His real money comes from commentating on the team-owned station (and rumors are he'll end up coaching for the team sooner rather than later)

I'd say the real money came from the multi-million dollar contracts he had as a player :)   I doubt he's pulling down $30/6years as a commentator :)

He is not a "commentator". He is a fulltime Sports Radio personality on the radio daily especially during Football season and part of the Redskins game broadcast team. I'm sure that is low 6 figures and his many edurements and ads add to that significantly

 
2017-06-19 04:04:16 PM  
Theaetetus:  Uh...
[img.fark.net image 748x499]

/I still want a New York Jews hat


Weren't those all baseketball franchises?
 
2017-06-19 04:40:43 PM  

nekom: bingethinker: It's amazing that Washington gets all this flak, while the Cleveland Indians quietly motor on with a racist cartoon character on their uniforms. At least the Redskins logo has some dignity.

Absolutely true.  The Cleveland Indians mascot is a very racist caricature.  The problem people have with Redskins is that it used to be a term for Indian scalps you could claim a bounty on and has been used by racists since.  The Redskins name is more tone deaf than intentional racism, but the Indians mascot is indefensible in my opinion.


I'm a liberal, lifelong Democrat voter but I never understood this argument about the Indians logo. It's a CARTOON person, which means stylized and exaggerated features.  But how is it racist?  I'm in my late fifties and I've never heard of "smiling and wide-eyed" as an American Indian stereotype.  If anything, the stereotype  was exactly the opposite: "stone-faced and unfeeling".  What am I missing?
 
2017-06-19 04:41:44 PM  

Magorn: Also for the record, the 'kins fans on't do the "tomahawk chop"   the Indians, Braves, Chiefs and Blackhawks fans do.


I don't watch baseball on TV but I've listened to thousands of Tribe games over the years. So while my blind spot is admittedly a rather glaring one, if Indians fans have ever done that insipid tomahawk chop crap I've never heard about it, read about it, or been told about it even one time that I can remember. Maybe it was done many moons ago but it isn't today, says the guy who doesn't actually watch Tribe games and hopefully isn't talking out of his ass.

One of the big brouhahas around here growing up was when Miami (OH) switched from the Redskins to the Redhawks. For years afterwards when their fans would come up here to watch their hockey team stomp all over us their sweaters and gear would have little slogans expressing their distinct displeasure with the name change.

As to the Redskins logo specifically, I think most people would agree that it is "dignified" even when not in direct comparison to Chief Wahoo.

Had I my druthers, the Redskins name would be changed. That said, I'm apprehensive about finding fault with it to the point that I think there'd be an element of me as a white guy sticking my nose where it doesn't belong and being offended on behalf of others. The whole "We know better than you" attitude, at least on a matter such as this, is something I find somewhat detestable given my own experiences in life.

My understanding is that there are legitimacy issues with data cited by Dan Snyder when it comes to support among Native Americans for the logo and/or the name. If there exist rigorously conducted scientific polls of Native Americans I think I'd have to side with whatever they went with. To even do that though would be incredibly difficult because reaching a consensus on who could be validly polled would be next to impossible. What organizations would be eligible to be included and what percentage of your DNA would be the cutoff point? Those sort of questions would make the entire exercise one hell of a difficult endeavor and even getting a study acceptable to all parties off the ground would be a significant hurdle in my opinion.

As to the Chief Wahoo logo? Yeah, I think even the most ardent Tribe supporter can admit that the logo is more than just a touch racist. It has been slowly getting phased out and it really is just a matter of time.

I do like the bit from the Pardon My Take boys on the "W word Redskins."
 
2017-06-19 06:56:53 PM  
Now would be the perfect time to change the name.

"We're not changing it because we have to, we're changing it because we want to"
 
2017-06-19 07:42:45 PM  
If I was from a tribe that was here before the Europeans I would be more offended by the terms Native American or Indian then Redskin.  They didn't know Amerigo Vespucci and weren't from India.  Those are European terms for people they considered savages, whose language and culture was ignored and destroyed.
 
2017-06-19 08:33:03 PM  

flynn80: If I was from a tribe that was here before the Europeans I would be more offended by the terms Native American or Indian then Redskin.  They didn't know Amerigo Vespucci and weren't from India.  Those are European terms for people they considered savages, whose language and culture was ignored and destroyed.


It seems that the First Peoples actually prefer to be called American Indians, arguing that "Indian" actually comes from the Spanish en dios "in God."

/Found it while researching Indian names some time back.
 
2017-06-19 08:35:20 PM  

WoodyHayes: Magorn: Also for the record, the 'kins fans on't do the "tomahawk chop"   the Indians, Braves, Chiefs and Blackhawks fans do.

I don't watch baseball on TV but I've listened to thousands of Tribe games over the years. So while my blind spot is admittedly a rather glaring one, if Indians fans have ever done that insipid tomahawk chop crap I've never heard about it, read about it, or been told about it even one time that I can remember. Maybe it was done many moons ago but it isn't today, says the guy who doesn't actually watch Tribe games and hopefully isn't talking out of his ass.

One of the big brouhahas around here growing up was when Miami (OH) switched from the Redskins to the Redhawks. For years afterwards when their fans would come up here to watch their hockey team stomp all over us their sweaters and gear would have little slogans expressing their distinct displeasure with the name change.

As to the Redskins logo specifically, I think most people would agree that it is "dignified" even when not in direct comparison to Chief Wahoo.

Had I my druthers, the Redskins name would be changed. That said, I'm apprehensive about finding fault with it to the point that I think there'd be an element of me as a white guy sticking my nose where it doesn't belong and being offended on behalf of others. The whole "We know better than you" attitude, at least on a matter such as this, is something I find somewhat detestable given my own experiences in life.

My understanding is that there are legitimacy issues with data cited by Dan Snyder when it comes to support among Native Americans for the logo and/or the name. If there exist rigorously conducted scientific polls of Native Americans I think I'd have to side with whatever they went with. To even do that though would be incredibly difficult because reaching a consensus on who could be validly polled would be next to impossible. What organizations would be eligible to be included and what percentage of your DNA would be t ...


I think the Redskins should just change the name to "Iroquois" and not have to change colors or logos at all.
 
2017-06-19 09:25:47 PM  
This is the correct decision. Offensive speech is still protected speech. If you don't agree then start campaigns to have the constitution amended
 
2017-06-19 09:45:19 PM  

Slow To Return: Now would be the perfect time to change the name.

"We're not changing it because we have to, we're changing it because we want to"


How about it's still a great time to keep the Redskins name.
 
2017-06-19 11:56:48 PM  

Warlordtrooper: This is the correct decision. Offensive speech is still protected speech. If you don't agree then start campaigns to have the constitution amended


s14.postimg.org

Agreed. Life is strange and often only makes sense in retrospect but I can trace my path to the American Civil Liberties Union directly back to a gay limey who wanted his group to play heavy metal like they once did.
 
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