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(The Hill)   Yertle considers cancelling recess in order to salvage the agenda, but Rubio is upset because he never gets enough time on the swing   ( thehill.com) divider line
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2017-06-19 09:21:48 AM  
FTFA:Some Republicans say that even if they chopped the August recess in half, it might not help them make any more progress in passing healthcare, tax reform or the spending bills.
"I'm a firm believer that the amount of work you have expands to fit the amount of time you give to it," said Sen. Bill Cassidy (R-La.), who is deeply involved in the Senate's healthcare negotiations. "Deadlines sharpen a man's mind."


You can sharpen Silly Putty as much as you want - it's still not going to cut anything.
 
2017-06-19 09:44:17 AM  
If you were willing to compromise and weren't pushing garbage legislation then this whole process might be easier.
 
2017-06-19 09:48:55 AM  
Not like these Senators want to go back to face the throngs of angry voters anyway...
 
2017-06-19 09:51:34 AM  
In fairness, Li'l Marco really hates being in Congress...
 
2017-06-19 11:03:29 AM  
Ah, I see they are "considering" skipping the recess in the same way I'm "considering" doing all the house work for the next week just to show my wife I mean business.
 
2017-06-19 11:10:10 AM  
I bet those sail-like ears really slow him down on the swings.

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2017-06-19 11:11:19 AM  
"Congress has no business taking a recess when the people's business remains unfinished," said Sen. Steve Daines (R-Mont.).

Moot point.  Your agenda doesn't perform the people's business.
 
2017-06-19 12:22:46 PM  
"[Perdue] said GOP lawmakers need to make progress on the budget and spending bills to avoid a government shutdown scenario in September, as well as progressing on tax reform."

Can you imagine a government shutdown when Republicans hold both chambers of Congress and the White House?

Somehow, this is all Democrats' fault.
 
2017-06-19 12:40:16 PM  
All this is being done behind closed doors by a select few people, they are under no obligation to leave during recess. They could just keep working right?
 
2017-06-19 12:54:10 PM  
And get rid of Daylight Savings Time!
 
2017-06-19 01:21:08 PM  
FTFA: likely unrealistic

These A-holes are only there for the political theater. Working through August gains them nothing except they have to explain away another month of not accomplishing anything.
 
2017-06-19 01:35:51 PM  
He's prodding the herd with a stick to keep it moving, is all.

Sources close to Mitch McConnell tell me the Majority Leader is dead serious about forcing a Senate vote on the Obamacare repeal-and-replace bill before the July 4 holiday.

Some senators want to delay the vote but McConnell views that as delaying the inevitable. There are no mysteries about what the toughest disagreements are over - Medicaid funding and insurance market regulations.

This week is crucial: the Senate won't vote without a CBO score, which means they need to finalize negotiations this week.

Behind-the-scenes: McConnell and Senate leaders have been at this for all of May and now first couple weeks of June, turning their weekly lunches into working sessions on various aspects of the healthcare legislation. They've whittled down the stack of items that people don't agree on. I've spoken to a number of people who know McConnell well who speculate that he'll force a vote regardless of whether he knows he has 50 votes. They say he's desperate to move on to tax reform and can't have healthcare hanging around like a bad smell through the summer.
 
2017-06-19 01:55:44 PM  
On one hand im mad that congress continues to try to weasle out of DOING THEIR JOBS.

On the other i'm glad that turtle boy has to deal with his peers going "nah" in the face of him trying to cover his ass and save face
 
2017-06-19 01:56:23 PM  
Its not as if they have to write the bill. Industry lobbyists do that for them.
 
2017-06-19 01:56:23 PM  
No shiat you can't make progress on a toxic piece of legislation and try to pin the blame on the Democrats when you openly state you will never invite them to any meetings to "fix" the piece of shiat.
 
2017-06-19 01:56:36 PM  
Not that I'm bemoaning it, but I can't for the life of me figure out why these nyucks are having such a problem with their master plan.  They don't give a three-hour-stale queef about their constituents, as evidenced by the complete lack of transparency, so what's holding them back?  Is the big money balking?  Are they squabbling over who gets what kickbacks?  Are they scrambling to come up with a way to say "on second thought, we're not doing this" that doesn't make them look weak?

It's like dropping a bowling ball and not only does it not fall, it starts to float away on the breeze.  There's a complete disconnect between the scenario (GOP steamroller majority) and the results (not doing a Goddamn thing).
 
2017-06-19 01:57:07 PM  
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2017-06-19 01:57:14 PM  

Soup4Bonnie: He's prodding the herd with a stick to keep it moving, is all.

Sources close to Mitch McConnell tell me the Majority Leader is dead serious about forcing a Senate vote on the Obamacare repeal-and-replace bill before the July 4 holiday.

Some senators want to delay the vote but McConnell views that as delaying the inevitable. There are no mysteries about what the toughest disagreements are over - Medicaid funding and insurance market regulations.

This week is crucial: the Senate won't vote without a CBO score, which means they need to finalize negotiations this week.

Behind-the-scenes: McConnell and Senate leaders have been at this for all of May and now first couple weeks of June, turning their weekly lunches into working sessions on various aspects of the healthcare legislation. They've whittled down the stack of items that people don't agree on. I've spoken to a number of people who know McConnell well who speculate that he'll force a vote regardless of whether he knows he has 50 votes. They say he's desperate to move on to tax reform and can't have healthcare hanging around like a bad smell through the summer.


But they need the Obamacare repeal to move on their particular agenda in Tax Reform correct?  If its not repealed they won't have enough fiscal room to push through the cuts they want, IIRC.  So is probably still a bluff right?  Because in the end they have to win to get to the next step, unless they want to push through empty tax reform as well.
 
2017-06-19 02:02:07 PM  

Soup4Bonnie: I've spoken to a number of people who know McConnell well who speculate that he'll force a vote regardless of whether he knows he has 50 votes. They say he's desperate to move on to tax reform and can't have healthcare hanging around like a bad smell through the summer.


Except that healthcare will be hanging around after the summer, because whatever the Senate passes won't be going to the president for approval, because the Senate would have to approve the House bill word-for-word. (though I wouldn't put it past them to secretly vote on that one without telling anyone)

I'm glad he's willing to force a vote no matter what. It's about time this stupid shiat got a no vote on the record.
 
2017-06-19 02:03:11 PM  

foo monkey: And get rid of Daylight Savings Time!


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2017-06-19 02:06:03 PM  
Waldman highlights the Dems approach to resisting, but underscores the real trick is not letting McConnell get to 50 votes.

Link

Today, Democrats in Congress say they are prepared to try new tactics in order to stop the bill that Mitch McConnell and the Republicans are determined to pass through the Senate. According to a senior Democratic aide, they'll be doing the following:

*Slow all action on the Senate floor to a crawl by objecting to "unanimous consent" requests (which are required to move anything forward), with the possible exception of some honorary resolutions.

*Make multiple requests to move the health care bill that passed the House into the Senate committee process, as a way of highlighting the secrecy with which the Senate version is being crafted.

*Make parliamentary inquiries (which can further slow things down) on the secrecy of the GOP bill.

*Hold a talkathon starting today and stretching until at least midnight tonight, wherein Democratic senators will rail against the bill on the Senate floor.
 
2017-06-19 02:07:05 PM  
This trainwreck couldn't be happening to nicer people.
 
2017-06-19 02:08:58 PM  
I guess they're figuring out that leading requires actually working.
 
2017-06-19 02:09:28 PM  

Soup4Bonnie: He's prodding the herd with a stick to keep it moving, is all.

Sources close to Mitch McConnell tell me the Majority Leader is dead serious about forcing a Senate vote on the Obamacare repeal-and-replace bill before the July 4 holiday.

Some senators want to delay the vote but McConnell views that as delaying the inevitable. There are no mysteries about what the toughest disagreements are over - Medicaid funding and insurance market regulations.

This week is crucial: the Senate won't vote without a CBO score, which means they need to finalize negotiations this week.

Behind-the-scenes: McConnell and Senate leaders have been at this for all of May and now first couple weeks of June, turning their weekly lunches into working sessions on various aspects of the healthcare legislation. They've whittled down the stack of items that people don't agree on. I've spoken to a number of people who know McConnell well who speculate that he'll force a vote regardless of whether he knows he has 50 votes. They say he's desperate to move on to tax reform and can't have healthcare hanging around like a bad smell through the summer.


He will declare 51 votes in the affirmative and just move on.
 
2017-06-19 02:09:42 PM  

ImpendingCynic: Soup4Bonnie: I've spoken to a number of people who know McConnell well who speculate that he'll force a vote regardless of whether he knows he has 50 votes. They say he's desperate to move on to tax reform and can't have healthcare hanging around like a bad smell through the summer.

Except that healthcare will be hanging around after the summer, because whatever the Senate passes won't be going to the president for approval, because the Senate would have to approve the House bill word-for-word. (though I wouldn't put it past them to secretly vote on that one without telling anyone)

I'm glad he's willing to force a vote no matter what. It's about time this stupid shiat got a no vote on the record.


It will pass because the "GOP moderates" are not.  If there was a Republican bill that was literally "Susan Collins will be raped upon the Senate floor by the entire supermax prison population of the US, and John McCain will be tortured by North Vietnamese soldiers while it happens", both would complain mightily about it and be presented as the most independently-minded human beings of all time - before both fell over themselves to be the first to vote for the bill.
 
2017-06-19 02:10:45 PM  

nmrsnr: "[Perdue] said GOP lawmakers need to make progress on the budget and spending bills to avoid a government shutdown scenario in September, as well as progressing on tax reform."

Can you imagine a government shutdown when Republicans hold both chambers of Congress and the White House?

Somehow, this is all Democrats' fault.


Well, duh. If they would just roll over and vote for what we tell them to vote for, we wouldn't be in this situation.

Of course, considering the number of factions at work within the GOP right now, I'm sure the democrats would be hard pressed to decide which version of the GOP plan they are supposed to Roll Over on.
 
2017-06-19 02:12:12 PM  
Generic republican senator: <whine>Mitch, if we go home, we may have to face our constituents.</whine>

Turtle: I got you, fam.  We come here during recess, then they can't bother us.

GRS: But I don't wanna do work.  No!

Turtle: Oh we won't actually do anything. Just mug for the camera, sigh, and blame democrats for obstruction.

GRS: I can do that! That's why you're the boss.
 
2017-06-19 02:12:18 PM  

Soup4Bonnie: Waldman highlights the Dems approach to resisting, but underscores the real trick is not letting McConnell get to 50 votes.

Link

Today, Democrats in Congress say they are prepared to try new tactics in order to stop the bill that Mitch McConnell and the Republicans are determined to pass through the Senate. According to a senior Democratic aide, they'll be doing the following:

*Slow all action on the Senate floor to a crawl by objecting to "unanimous consent" requests (which are required to move anything forward), with the possible exception of some honorary resolutions.

*Make multiple requests to move the health care bill that passed the House into the Senate committee process, as a way of highlighting the secrecy with which the Senate version is being crafted.

*Make parliamentary inquiries (which can further slow things down) on the secrecy of the GOP bill.

*Hold a talkathon starting today and stretching until at least midnight tonight, wherein Democratic senators will rail against the bill on the Senate floor.


Senate Rules will be amended to fit onto a matchbook.

/locking out the Democrats and declaring the rump Senate a quorum will be the final step
 
2017-06-19 02:13:06 PM  
I still have no idea what they think this will accomplish.
 
2017-06-19 02:13:42 PM  
Ru! BI! Oooooooo!

Dated, but still fun to do.
 
2017-06-19 02:13:51 PM  
My theory is that congressmen don't like doing stuff.  At all... Recess for them is sacred.  It's a good time to go back to their home districts and avoid their constituents...
 
2017-06-19 02:14:10 PM  
"not close to a deal on healthcare reform and that scheduling a vote by July 4, which Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) has pushed, is likely unrealistic."

More or less unrealistic than a reboot of this venerable TV Show?
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2017-06-19 02:16:21 PM  

ImpendingCynic: Soup4Bonnie: I've spoken to a number of people who know McConnell well who speculate that he'll force a vote regardless of whether he knows he has 50 votes. They say he's desperate to move on to tax reform and can't have healthcare hanging around like a bad smell through the summer.

Except that healthcare will be hanging around after the summer, because whatever the Senate passes won't be going to the president for approval, because the Senate would have to approve the House bill word-for-word. (though I wouldn't put it past them to secretly vote on that one without telling anyone)

I'm glad he's willing to force a vote no matter what. It's about time this stupid shiat got a no vote on the record.


The Senate is substituting in their own bill that has not yet been scored or written.  They are trashing the entire House bill, although it will be similar in many ways, we hear.  I believe the only requirement still in place for their version is the amount of "savings" can not be less than the House bill or it won't be considered a reconciliation move and would require an insurmountable 60 vote majority to pass.

Someone pleas correct me if I'm wrong.

Wicked Chinchilla: But they need the Obamacare repeal to move on their particular agenda in Tax Reform correct?


Yes, this is how I understand the situation as well.  The amount of the cuts they want out of the tax reform is somehow dependent on this bill.
 
2017-06-19 02:16:39 PM  
This actually doesn't surprise me.  The GOP is a collection of divergent groups with mutually exclusive goals...all of whom don't particularly like each other very much.  There's no overarching principles that the GOP can claim to be guided by other than 'we hate libs'.  It's great for inciting rage-fests and hate-ins, but pretty well useless for actual governance.
 
2017-06-19 02:20:19 PM  
 
2017-06-19 02:20:31 PM  
The memorial day holiday was supposed to be a litmus test about public opposition to the AHCA.  I don't remember any opposition then. Was there a few angry town halls? Maybe? Can't imagine there's gonna be any opposition for the fourth of July holiday or the august recess. So quit pinning your hopes on any effective opposition. Democratic politicians will hold a useless talkathon before it gets passed and democratic voters will complain after it passes.
 
2017-06-19 02:21:36 PM  
I have complete faith that the GOP will find a way to fark us over, that their supporters will cheer, and that when these same supporters are looking for someone to blame, they'll be blaming "teh libs".
 
2017-06-19 02:23:11 PM  

Soup4Bonnie: ImpendingCynic: Soup4Bonnie: I've spoken to a number of people who know McConnell well who speculate that he'll force a vote regardless of whether he knows he has 50 votes. They say he's desperate to move on to tax reform and can't have healthcare hanging around like a bad smell through the summer.

Except that healthcare will be hanging around after the summer, because whatever the Senate passes won't be going to the president for approval, because the Senate would have to approve the House bill word-for-word. (though I wouldn't put it past them to secretly vote on that one without telling anyone)

I'm glad he's willing to force a vote no matter what. It's about time this stupid shiat got a no vote on the record.

The Senate is substituting in their own bill that has not yet been scored or written.  They are trashing the entire House bill, although it will be similar in many ways, we hear.  I believe the only requirement still in place for their version is the amount of "savings" can not be less than the House bill or it won't be considered a reconciliation move and would require an insurmountable 60 vote majority to pass.

Someone pleas correct me if I'm wrong.

Wicked Chinchilla: But they need the Obamacare repeal to move on their particular agenda in Tax Reform correct?

Yes, this is how I understand the situation as well.  The amount of the cuts they want out of the tax reform is somehow dependent on this bill.


The House bill and Senate bills must be exactly the same before the President can sign it.  If the text is different, a comittee from both Hkuses must agree on the composite bill's language and then both Houses must vote on that.  The Senate cannot just ignore the House's bill entirely and send whatevers straight to Trump.
 
2017-06-19 02:25:04 PM  

OtherLittleGuy: Soup4Bonnie: He's prodding the herd with a stick to keep it moving, is all.

Sources close to Mitch McConnell tell me the Majority Leader is dead serious about forcing a Senate vote on the Obamacare repeal-and-replace bill before the July 4 holiday.

Some senators want to delay the vote but McConnell views that as delaying the inevitable. There are no mysteries about what the toughest disagreements are over - Medicaid funding and insurance market regulations.

This week is crucial: the Senate won't vote without a CBO score, which means they need to finalize negotiations this week.

Behind-the-scenes: McConnell and Senate leaders have been at this for all of May and now first couple weeks of June, turning their weekly lunches into working sessions on various aspects of the healthcare legislation. They've whittled down the stack of items that people don't agree on. I've spoken to a number of people who know McConnell well who speculate that he'll force a vote regardless of whether he knows he has 50 votes. They say he's desperate to move on to tax reform and can't have healthcare hanging around like a bad smell through the summer.

He will declare 51 votes in the affirmative and just move on.


Are they allowed to have a "voice vote" and then declare it passed?
 
2017-06-19 02:26:03 PM  
It won't pass because at the end of the day only about 4/5ths of Republicans want to see the poor starving to death on the streets
 
2017-06-19 02:28:34 PM  
"I'm a firm believer that the amount of work you have expands to fit the amount of time you give to it," said Sen. Bill Cassidy (R-La.)

What the fark does this even mean? What is he suggesting? Give these things less time so it doesn't expand and consume more time?
 
2017-06-19 02:28:54 PM  

phalamir: Soup4Bonnie: ImpendingCynic: Soup4Bonnie: I've spoken to a number of people who know McConnell well who speculate that he'll force a vote regardless of whether he knows he has 50 votes. They say he's desperate to move on to tax reform and can't have healthcare hanging around like a bad smell through the summer.

Except that healthcare will be hanging around after the summer, because whatever the Senate passes won't be going to the president for approval, because the Senate would have to approve the House bill word-for-word. (though I wouldn't put it past them to secretly vote on that one without telling anyone)

I'm glad he's willing to force a vote no matter what. It's about time this stupid shiat got a no vote on the record.

The Senate is substituting in their own bill that has not yet been scored or written.  They are trashing the entire House bill, although it will be similar in many ways, we hear.  I believe the only requirement still in place for their version is the amount of "savings" can not be less than the House bill or it won't be considered a reconciliation move and would require an insurmountable 60 vote majority to pass.

Someone pleas correct me if I'm wrong.

Wicked Chinchilla: But they need the Obamacare repeal to move on their particular agenda in Tax Reform correct?

Yes, this is how I understand the situation as well.  The amount of the cuts they want out of the tax reform is somehow dependent on this bill.

The House bill and Senate bills must be exactly the same before the President can sign it.  If the text is different, a comittee from both Hkuses must agree on the composite bill's language and then both Houses must vote on that.  The Senate cannot just ignore the House's bill entirely and send whatevers straight to Trump.


Entirely true.  The idea, though, is that via reconcilliation rules neither vote is subject to cloture rules.  The house will probably be told "Vote yes on this Senate bill", and then they will, and then it goes to 45.  Or it will be even more extreme than the Senate version, and still under reconcilliation rules, and get through.

\Non-zero chance of an accidental pocket veto, though.
 
2017-06-19 02:29:10 PM  

Lost Thought 00: It won't pass because at the end of the day only about 4/5ths of Republicans want to see the poor starving to death on the streets


It will pass because the other 1/5 doesn't care if the poor starve to death in the streets.
 
2017-06-19 02:30:45 PM  

kidgenius: OtherLittleGuy: Soup4Bonnie: He's prodding the herd with a stick to keep it moving, is all.

Sources close to Mitch McConnell tell me the Majority Leader is dead serious about forcing a Senate vote on the Obamacare repeal-and-replace bill before the July 4 holiday.

Some senators want to delay the vote but McConnell views that as delaying the inevitable. There are no mysteries about what the toughest disagreements are over - Medicaid funding and insurance market regulations.

This week is crucial: the Senate won't vote without a CBO score, which means they need to finalize negotiations this week.

Behind-the-scenes: McConnell and Senate leaders have been at this for all of May and now first couple weeks of June, turning their weekly lunches into working sessions on various aspects of the healthcare legislation. They've whittled down the stack of items that people don't agree on. I've spoken to a number of people who know McConnell well who speculate that he'll force a vote regardless of whether he knows he has 50 votes. They say he's desperate to move on to tax reform and can't have healthcare hanging around like a bad smell through the summer.

He will declare 51 votes in the affirmative and just move on.

Are they allowed to have a "voice vote" and then declare it passed?


Yes, but only if no one objects to the findings and calls for a roll call vote.  Most votes go voice-> chair's party wins -> objection -> actual vote.
 
2017-06-19 02:31:42 PM  

kidgenius: Are they allowed to have a "voice vote" and then declare it passed?


I believe that requires unanimous consent, and so long as one Democrat hangs out on the floor, that can't happen.

I might have the parliamentary manoeuver wrong, though.
 
2017-06-19 02:35:21 PM  

HydroMonkey: "I'm a firm believer that the amount of work you have expands to fit the amount of time you give to it," said Sen. Bill Cassidy (R-La.)

What the fark does this even mean? What is he suggesting? Give these things less time so it doesn't expand and consume more time?


That's Parkinson's Law.  How it applies here is still a mystery to me.
 
2017-06-19 02:35:27 PM  

Soup4Bonnie: He's prodding the herd with a stick to keep it moving, is all.

Sources close to Mitch McConnell tell me the Majority Leader is dead serious about forcing a Senate vote on the Obamacare repeal-and-replace bill before the July 4 holiday.

Some senators want to delay the vote but McConnell views that as delaying the inevitable. There are no mysteries about what the toughest disagreements are over - Medicaid funding and insurance market regulations.

This week is crucial: the Senate won't vote without a CBO score, which means they need to finalize negotiations this week.

Behind-the-scenes: McConnell and Senate leaders have been at this for all of May and now first couple weeks of June, turning their weekly lunches into working sessions on various aspects of the healthcare legislation. They've whittled down the stack of items that people don't agree on. I've spoken to a number of people who know McConnell well who speculate that he'll force a vote regardless of whether he knows he has 50 votes. They say he's desperate to move on to tax reform and can't have healthcare hanging around like a bad smell through the summer.


This sounds like a completely responsible thing to do.
 
2017-06-19 02:36:08 PM  
Umm, actually I think Predisent Trump is gonna need that recess to make recess appointments to all the unfilled vacancies that the Democrats are obstructing.
 
2017-06-19 02:37:24 PM  
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2017-06-19 02:39:20 PM  

cendojr: phalamir: Soup4Bonnie: ImpendingCynic: Soup4Bonnie: I've spoken to a number of people who know McConnell well who speculate that he'll force a vote regardless of whether he knows he has 50 votes. They say he's desperate to move on to tax reform and can't have healthcare hanging around like a bad smell through the summer.

Except that healthcare will be hanging around after the summer, because whatever the Senate passes won't be going to the president for approval, because the Senate would have to approve the House bill word-for-word. (though I wouldn't put it past them to secretly vote on that one without telling anyone)

I'm glad he's willing to force a vote no matter what. It's about time this stupid shiat got a no vote on the record.

The Senate is substituting in their own bill that has not yet been scored or written.  They are trashing the entire House bill, although it will be similar in many ways, we hear.  I believe the only requirement still in place for their version is the amount of "savings" can not be less than the House bill or it won't be considered a reconciliation move and would require an insurmountable 60 vote majority to pass.

Someone pleas correct me if I'm wrong.

Wicked Chinchilla: But they need the Obamacare repeal to move on their particular agenda in Tax Reform correct?

Yes, this is how I understand the situation as well.  The amount of the cuts they want out of the tax reform is somehow dependent on this bill.

The House bill and Senate bills must be exactly the same before the President can sign it.  If the text is different, a comittee from both Hkuses must agree on the composite bill's language and then both Houses must vote on that.  The Senate cannot just ignore the House's bill entirely and send whatevers straight to Trump.

Entirely true.  The idea, though, is that via reconcilliation rules neither vote is subject to cloture rules.  The house will probably be told "Vote yes on this Senate bill", and then they will, and then it goes to 45.  Or it will be even more extreme than the Senate version, and still under reconcilliation rules, and get through.

\Non-zero chance of an accidental pocket veto, though.


Cloture and reconciliation have nothing to do with it.  Whenever any bill is passed in different versions by each House, it has to go to a conference committee, and then each House has to vote without change on the conference bill.
 
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