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(Mercury News)   Wildfires in Portugal kill dozens, trapped in their cars trying to flee   ( mercurynews.com) divider line
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2017-06-19 06:59:19 AM  
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2017-06-19 07:38:23 AM  

Kouta: [img.fark.net image 321x460]


"I keep trying floods, hurricanes, tornados, fires ... but you farkers keep reproducing faster than I can wipe you out."
 
2017-06-19 07:41:45 AM  
If only they had something that could move faster than the fire.
 
2017-06-19 07:41:56 AM  

Kouta: [img.fark.net image 321x460]


This is a horrible event. But if there is a god who is responsible for this event, I don't think you can ask him "why?" That would likely just piss him off.
 
2017-06-19 07:43:18 AM  
I told them they should have filled their windshield wiper fluid before they left.
 
2017-06-19 07:44:36 AM  
"Yesterday, we saw the fire but thought it was very far. I never thought it would come to this side," she said. "At 3:30 a.m., my mother-in-law woke me up quickly and we never went to sleep again."

Folks like this baffle me - it's a lethal, terrifying event? Meh, we can see it but it's pretty far away, so let's go to bed.

He said at least 30 people died inside their cars as they tried to flee between the towns of Figueiro dos Vinhos and Castanheira de Pera. He said 17 others died right outside their cars or by the road, 11 people died in the forest, two people died in a car accident related to the fire and information was missing on the other deaths.

Don't evacuate when told - wait far longer than you should, then drive on a road that's overtaken by a wind-swept forest fire? That's a blowtorchin'.
 
2017-06-19 07:45:45 AM  
It has been a carnage, this paired with the current massive heatwave that has fires sparking everywhere has everyone on the edge around here.

we had temperatures of 45 celsius the saturday.
 
2017-06-19 07:51:30 AM  

Amish Tech Support: If only they had something that could move faster than the fire.


Wildfires can literally move as fast as the wind and can change directions just as quickly.  Just because these people were in cars does t mean they could outrun the flames.
 
2017-06-19 07:54:50 AM  

imaconnect4guy: Amish Tech Support: If only they had something that could move faster than the fire.

Wildfires can literally move as fast as the wind and can change directions just as quickly.  Just because these people were in cars does t mean they could outrun the flames.


...which is why you're supposed to get the hell out of the way long before it becomes an issue.
 
2017-06-19 07:56:03 AM  
62 people died. the bbc, guardian, cnn covered this better but sure link to some local rag
 
2017-06-19 08:19:05 AM  

Amish Tech Support: If only they had something that could move faster than the fire.


Fires can move 15 to 20 kph in the right conditions.  A lot of people evacuated their homes, had to drive a number of miles to escape through a forest, only to learn that the fire had already closed off the only evacuation route out of the area.  They ended up dying in their cars in a burning forest.  These were smaller villages in the midst of a forest.

Much of Europe has dry ground and drought like conditions.  Lightning storms may have started additional fires during the evacuation process.  I've been getting live updates from an "internet friend" who lives only 50km from the fires, but he lives in a more urban area with far less trees, and far more roads, so he didn't need to evacuate.
 
2017-06-19 08:21:32 AM  
See this wouldn't of happened if we had flying cars like they promised us in the 50's.
 
2017-06-19 08:27:59 AM  

FuLinHyu: Kouta: [img.fark.net image 321x460]

"I keep trying floods, hurricanes, tornados, fires ... but you farkers keep reproducing faster than I can wipe you out."


Can I give this both the smart and funny likes?
 
2017-06-19 08:30:58 AM  
That's hot
 
2017-06-19 08:33:40 AM  

August11: Kouta: [img.fark.net image 321x460]

This is a horrible event. But if there is a god who is responsible for this event, I don't think you can ask him "why?" That would likely just piss him off.


God is no more "responsible" for this event than he is for when a bird poops on your car.  Too many people believe that it is God's job to make life wonderful and fun for everyone.  It isn't.  God's only "job" is to make life possible.  We can pray and ask for help or strength in trying times, but there is no guarantee.  Sometimes, He gives us what we want.  Other times, He gives us what we need.

Those who died in the fire, assuming they did not reject God's gift, got what they needed.  Their souls got protected in death.  No person in Heaven is bitter with God.

People on Earth, who freak out over death, are like people in a restaurant waiting area complaining about how horrible the hostess is for calling people's names when their table is ready.
 
2017-06-19 08:33:41 AM  

IcedTorch: It has been a carnage, this paired with the current massive heatwave that has fires sparking everywhere has everyone on the edge around here.

we had temperatures of 45 celsius the saturday.


That's like what, 92 grapples?
 
2017-06-19 08:39:58 AM  

Kouta: [img.fark.net image 321x460]


I don't even have a religion, and I'm wondering why your blaming god...

Even if I was a devout....whatever, I still don't see how you could assign such blame to as to ask this question.
 
2017-06-19 08:43:00 AM  

foo monkey: IcedTorch: It has been a carnage, this paired with the current massive heatwave that has fires sparking everywhere has everyone on the edge around here.

we had temperatures of 45 celsius the saturday.

That's like what, 92 grapples?


http://www.theunitconverter.com/celsius-to-fahrenheit-conversion/45-c​e​lsius-to-fahrenheit.html
 
2017-06-19 09:02:26 AM  

imaconnect4guy: Wildfires can literally move as fast as the wind and can change directions just as quickly.


It's worse than that. They can make their own wind.
 
2017-06-19 09:04:56 AM  
Probably a car in the front stopped while the driver tried to remember if they got everything. Or if they needed to stop at the store.  Maybe they could a side trip through ....
 
2017-06-19 09:15:30 AM  

Amelia Earhart's Black Box: Probably a car in the front stopped while the driver tried to remember if they got everything. Or if they needed to stop at the store.  Maybe they could a side trip through ....


Maybe Muffins the toy poodle needed to stop and do her business.
 
2017-06-19 09:17:44 AM  
This is the worst thread ever.
 
2017-06-19 09:23:09 AM  
If there is a God, he's fine with letting things go to hell.
 
2017-06-19 09:27:44 AM  
Mmmm barbequed pork chops.
 
2017-06-19 09:29:24 AM  
I thought the title said "Wildlife" not wildfire. I imagined delicious animals eating humans as revenge.
 
2017-06-19 09:35:45 AM  
Slightly questionable ad placement?

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2017-06-19 09:49:25 AM  
Wow...  That is a horrible way to go.

I hope they simply suffocated to death.  That would be preferable to being burned alive.

So how did this happen (the site would let me read the entire article)?  Were they trying to make an escape and the fire flanked them and looped around?
 
2017-06-19 09:51:32 AM  
Good thing they had the new Teflon seats, no cooked on mess to clean up.
 
2017-06-19 09:57:24 AM  

Amelia Earhart's Black Box: Probably a car in the front stopped while the driver tried to remember if they got everything. Or if they needed to stop at the store.  Maybe they could a side trip through ....


do you really think that's what happened? Does it make you feel superior to assume anything bad that happens to someone is the result of their stupidity?
 
2017-06-19 10:22:56 AM  
The BBC reported that there were 156 fires across the country. Chances are they had evacuated in time, but got blocked off by other fires they weren't aware of. As another farker pointed out, fires move quickly and can change direction rapidly.

Roasting to death in your car has to be horrible way to die.
 
2017-06-19 10:59:37 AM  
Coming soon to the U.S. -- people driving into infernos:
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2017-06-19 11:38:03 AM  

Ker_Thwap: Amish Tech Support: If only they had something that could move faster than the fire.

Fires can move 15 to 20 kph in the right conditions. A lot of people evacuated their homes, had to drive a number of miles to escape through a forest, only to learn that the fire had already closed off the only evacuation route out of the area.  They ended up dying in their cars in a burning forest.  These were smaller villages in the midst of a forest.


This...
We had a major fire in my neighborhood a few years ago - burned over 400 hundred houses.  I wasn't in the mandatory evac area - we were termed "pre-evac".  I chose not to spend the night up there anyway, because things can change so fast.  When I was home, during the day, I constantly had one ear on a local radio station that had good coverage, the other on the ham radio net and my eyes on the horizon.  And I didn't have far to go to get out of the forest.  Scary stuff.

The two people that died (after ignoring repeated in-person warnings to get out of dodge) were apparently found in their car in their garage amidst the remaining metal bits of a large gun collection.  Speculation being that they were trying to load up just a few more pieces before they finally left.
 
2017-06-19 12:01:31 PM  

pete85: Amelia Earhart's Black Box: Probably a car in the front stopped while the driver tried to remember if they got everything. Or if they needed to stop at the store.  Maybe they could a side trip through ....

do you really think that's what happened? Does it make you feel superior to assume anything bad that happens to someone is the result of their stupidity?


It doesn't make me feel superior when stupid people do stupid things.  I already feel superior.  The rest of you can do what you like.
 
2017-06-19 12:48:41 PM  
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2017-06-19 12:57:59 PM  

TOSViolation: pete85: Amelia Earhart's Black Box: Probably a car in the front stopped while the driver tried to remember if they got everything. Or if they needed to stop at the store.  Maybe they could a side trip through ....

do you really think that's what happened? Does it make you feel superior to assume anything bad that happens to someone is the result of their stupidity?

It doesn't make me feel superior when stupid people do stupid things.  I already feel superior.  The rest of you can do what you like.


well, your feelings certainly are important
 
2017-06-19 01:17:55 PM  

Swiss Colony: The BBC reported that there were 156 fires across the country. Chances are they had evacuated in time, but got blocked off by other fires they weren't aware of. As another farker pointed out, fires move quickly and can change direction rapidly.

Roasting to death in your car has to be horrible way to die.


Given that there's an example of the opposite of that right in the article - where an interviewee stated that they saw it coming, but figured it wouldn't get to them so they went to farking bed (and only got up at 3:30 AM) - I'm not ready to jump on the "too fast to avoid" bandwagon just yet.

I live in the Puget Sound area. We get wildfires east of us on a regular basis, including today, for Christ's sake. We get to listen to stories of "I'mma gonna defend mah home" or "I'mma outrun the fire", and, of course, the resulting easily-avoided deaths, all the damned time, and that's with a well-organized, well-known set of protocols for dealing with such regular wildfires.
 
2017-06-19 01:21:51 PM  
Link may be buggered - here's the gist from today's reporting about the Carlton fire in my state:

A homeowner died over the weekend trying to save his home against what officials describe as the worst wildfire in state history, a blaze that has burned about 375 square miles and destroyed at least 150 homes.
The Carlton Complex fire in north-central Washington has also cut off electrical power to six communities and prompted hundreds of evacuations. The fire is about 2% contained, although officials said Monday that cooler weather and calmer winds Monday were improving their ability to battle the fire.
On Saturday, Robert E. Koczewski, 67, was fighting the blaze that was threatening his home, Okanogan County Sheriff Frank T. Rogers said Monday.

Koczewski "and his wife had been the fighting the fire for three days," Rogers told the Los Angeles Times in an interview in his office. "She said no fire trucks had come through. They did everything they could to save their home and they did. But on Saturday, he had a heart attack," the sheriff said.


We have about 20 active wildfires in the state right now, since last week. Folks decide that they're somehow tougher than the fire, or faster than the fire, or smarter than the fire, all the goddamned time, and incur the inevitable outcome. Had he evacuated days ago, he would've lost his home, but kept his life.
 
2017-06-19 01:27:37 PM  

Ker_Thwap: Amish Tech Support: If only they had something that could move faster than the fire.

Fires can move 15 to 20 kph in the right conditions.  A lot of people evacuated their homes, had to drive a number of miles to escape through a forest, only to learn that the fire had already closed off the only evacuation route out of the area.  They ended up dying in their cars in a burning forest.  These were smaller villages in the midst of a forest.

Much of Europe has dry ground and drought like conditions.  Lightning storms may have started additional fires during the evacuation process.  I've been getting live updates from an "internet friend" who lives only 50km from the fires, but he lives in a more urban area with far less trees, and far more roads, so he didn't need to evacuate.


Yup. http://www.cfa.vic.gov.au/plan-prepare/how-fire-behaves/
 
2017-06-19 01:36:32 PM  

Kouta: [img.fark.net image 321x460]


ComaToast: If there is a God, he's fine with letting things go to hell.


Very, very old news (especially in Portugal).

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2017-06-19 02:04:16 PM  
Portugal is on fire alright.
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/I am so sorry, but it was too easy.
 
2017-06-19 03:01:15 PM  
Why Christans are not protesting this in the streets?
 
2017-06-19 03:46:55 PM  

Kouta: [img.fark.net image 321x460]


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2017-06-19 04:12:39 PM  

pete85: Amelia Earhart's Black Box: Probably a car in the front stopped while the driver tried to remember if they got everything. Or if they needed to stop at the store.  Maybe they could a side trip through ....

do you really think that's what happened? Does it make you feel superior to assume anything bad that happens to someone is the result of their stupidity?


And you know the car that caused the backup sped off to safety at the last moment. Like at yellow lights, they get through you get stuck.
 
2017-06-19 04:13:48 PM  
It was a carbq.
 
2017-06-19 04:37:02 PM  

Deep Contact: See this wouldn't of happened if we had flying cars like they promised us in the 50's.


Most likely the cars flew when their gas tanks exploded.
/Sorry for the people.//Whatever the reason.
 
2017-06-19 05:41:01 PM  

TOSViolation: Sometimes, He gives us what we want.  Other times, He gives us what we need.


Meh. That's an inferior paraphrased translation.
"You can't always get what you want. But if you try sometimes, well you just might find, you get what you need."
-- Jagger 5:1
 
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