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2017-06-19 03:14:44 AM  
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/ I got nothin'
 
2017-06-19 03:49:20 AM  
Why would anyone be afraid of running into this while hiking?

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Bears are harmless.
 
2017-06-19 05:02:39 AM  
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2017-06-19 05:05:52 AM  
You only need to be faster than one other person
 
2017-06-19 05:16:52 AM  
'Why it's a bad idea to have trail running events in bear country'

 I dunno, it seems like this would be a good idea to the bears*. Kinda like drive-thru fast food. Or, I guess, more like having the food delivered.


*except for the whole getting shot in the face for eating
 
2017-06-19 05:23:39 AM  
Almost all of Alaska is "bear country".  That don't stop people.
 
2017-06-19 05:24:19 AM  

Habeas Porpoise: You only need to be faster than one other person


That's what everyone else said.

I was attacked by a goose during a 5k in NC. I came around a bend in the trail that went across the dam of a pond to find about a dozen goslings just standing there. They scattered as I ran up to them but Mother Goose was not happy about it. She flew at me so I punched her in the head and kept going.
 
2017-06-19 05:38:16 AM  

NoGods: Habeas Porpoise: You only need to be faster than one other person

That's what everyone else said.

I was attacked by a goose during a 5k in NC. I came around a bend in the trail that went across the dam of a pond to find about a dozen goslings just standing there. They scattered as I ran up to them but Mother Goose was not happy about it. She flew at me so I punched her in the head and kept going.


That's exactly like the kid on the story!

Except it was a toothless bird.
 
2017-06-19 05:45:48 AM  
Looks at link .. Alaska, oh shiat...
BLACK bear? That's the "Oh shiat it's people" bear.
Not the "Hey look it's a walking hamburger" bear.
 
2017-06-19 05:46:36 AM  
Black bears don't like the sound of the human voice which is why you're encouraged to speak loudly when you're on a hike.
You're also told not to move toward a bear nor to run away from a bear.
Above all, you're cautioned against surprising or startling them.

So let's send a bunch of people running through bear territory who are not talking because they're farking running, coming quickly around bends in the trail...

It's seems to me that setting up speakers a few hours before the race and playing a tape of people talking would encourage the bears to go elsewhere for the day.

/just sayin'
 
2017-06-19 05:47:10 AM  
Probably ran up on it and surprised the bear.  250lbs is pretty good size for a black bear too.
 
2017-06-19 06:00:42 AM  
He saw a sign that said bear left, thought he was ok.
 
2017-06-19 06:13:18 AM  
Hm, I wonder what caliber or gauge was used against the bear.  I'd be surprised if a black bear could shrug off a Foster slug.
 
2017-06-19 06:21:29 AM  
Subby;
I think it adds to the excitement.  Regular races are boring.
 
2017-06-19 06:22:30 AM  
Maybe the right trail shoes would have helped.
 
2017-06-19 06:25:39 AM  
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2017-06-19 06:25:58 AM  
The runner had apparently made it to the halfway point turnaround and was on his way down when he used his phone to text a family member at 12:37 p.m. that he was being chased by a bear

I'm not sure whether to facepalm or be impressed that while running for his life he was also texting about a bear chasing him. And what was the person he texted supposed to reply? "Yikes!" or "Run faster" or scared emoji face?
 
2017-06-19 06:27:23 AM  
"A Chugach State Park ranger shot the bear in the face, but it ran away. "

Well, if you shot me in the face I would run away too!
 
2017-06-19 06:39:04 AM  
Rest in Peace young man.
 
2017-06-19 06:40:18 AM  

Zevon's Evil Twin: Black bears don't like the sound of the human voice which is why you're encouraged to speak loudly when you're on a hike.
You're also told not to move toward a bear nor to run away from a bear.
Above all, you're cautioned against surprising or startling them.

So let's send a bunch of people running through bear territory who are not talking because they're farking running, coming quickly around bends in the trail...

It's seems to me that setting up speakers a few hours before the race and playing a tape of people talking would encourage the bears to go elsewhere for the day.

/just sayin'


Boy Scouts teach you when hiking in bear country to have a little bell or something similar to make some noise whilst walking to announce your presence well in advance of your arrival so bears don't get startled and attack.    I would have thought in Alaska the race directors would also know this since but maybe they are just that hard core.
 
2017-06-19 06:48:00 AM  
Bears?

I'm betting the answer is bears.
 
2017-06-19 06:49:01 AM  
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2017-06-19 06:51:17 AM  

freakingmoron: 'Why it's a bad idea to have trail running events in bear country'

 I dunno, it seems like this would be a good idea to the bears*. Kinda like drive-thru fast food. Or, I guess, more like having the food delivered.


*except for the whole getting shot in the face for eating


Bike Races be like Meals-on-Wheels
 
2017-06-19 06:52:51 AM  
while the number of people completing the race has slipped a little, the finish times for those who make it are much improved.
 
2017-06-19 06:55:55 AM  
A whole lot of North America is "bear country", subby. Especially black bears.
 
2017-06-19 07:03:51 AM  

Habeas Porpoise: You only need to be faster than one other person


Everyone was faster than one person.
 
2017-06-19 07:08:07 AM  

relaxitsjustme: Probably ran up on it and surprised the bear.  250lbs is pretty good size for a black bear too.


250 pounds large? Maybe in Florida. In West Virginia we have them over 600 pounds. And they don't eat people.
 
2017-06-19 07:15:24 AM  

The Googles Do Nothing: Zevon's Evil Twin: Black bears don't like the sound of the human voice which is why you're encouraged to speak loudly when you're on a hike.
You're also told not to move toward a bear nor to run away from a bear.
Above all, you're cautioned against surprising or startling them.

So let's send a bunch of people running through bear territory who are not talking because they're farking running, coming quickly around bends in the trail...

It's seems to me that setting up speakers a few hours before the race and playing a tape of people talking would encourage the bears to go elsewhere for the day.

/just sayin'

Boy Scouts teach you when hiking in bear country to have a little bell or something similar to make some noise whilst walking to announce your presence well in advance of your arrival so bears don't get startled and attack.    I would have thought in Alaska the race directors would also know this since but maybe they are just that hard core.


Bear bells are straight up stupid, and super aggravating. In many places bears are now drawn to them because they have learned that bear bells = humans and humans always have food with them that they don't always secure.

You may as well be wearing a dinner bell. If you come on a hiking trip with me and you wear a bear bell, you can either leave or take off the bear bell.
 
2017-06-19 07:16:51 AM  
Depends on the type of trail running event, I suppose.....

www.primitivebiathlon.com

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2017-06-19 07:17:26 AM  

jmr61: relaxitsjustme: Probably ran up on it and surprised the bear.  250lbs is pretty good size for a black bear too.

250 pounds large? Maybe in Florida. In West Virginia we have them over 600 pounds. And they don't eat people.


Maybe they don't care for the taste of meth, opioids and despair?
 
2017-06-19 07:20:00 AM  

jmr61: relaxitsjustme: Probably ran up on it and surprised the bear.  250lbs is pretty good size for a black bear too.

250 pounds large? Maybe in Florida. In West Virginia we have them over 600 pounds. And they don't eat people.


they would under the right circumstances. you just have to be at the wrong place at the wrong time is all.
 
2017-06-19 07:21:36 AM  

ChuckRoddy: e "Hey look it's a walking hamburger"


Not necessarily true.  In general, most brown bear attacks are "defensive" in nature (i.e., the bear was startled and is defending himself), whereas most black bear attacks are predatory in nature.  What that means is that, while brown bears are probably more likely to attack you, they will often just maul you half to death, then leave, while black bears - while less likely to attack in the first place, if they do attack you it's because they want to kill and eat you - not necessarily in that order.
 
2017-06-19 07:24:57 AM  

Kouta: Why would anyone be afraid of running into this while hiking?

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Bears are harmless.


Dafuq is in the bald guy's hand!?
 
2017-06-19 07:33:33 AM  

relaxitsjustme: Probably ran up on it and surprised the bear.  250lbs is pretty good size for a black bear too.


I doubt it.  Black bears generally don't attack humans like that except for predatory reasons. Running from the bear just got it more excited (it excites the prey drive in predatory animals).  It's not like a grizzly that *WILL* attack if surprised.

What the kid should have done is grabbed a stout branch and raised his arms and yelled at the bear, even charging after it to intimidate it.  Throw rocks at it.  Made it more scared of him than the other-way around.  Hard thing to do, I know, but when the bear is looking to eat you, it's really your only course of action that will lead to survival (assuming you don't have something like bear spray or a gun).
 
2017-06-19 07:37:51 AM  
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2017-06-19 07:48:32 AM  
I don't get why the article has to mention the bear's color.
Stop with the propaganda!
It's a bear! The color is meaningless.
Articles like this only get more black bears shot because people now feel justified. Or claiming they were scared for their lives.
When was the last time you ever heard an article mention the color of a grizzly?! No "Blond grizzly attacked hiker"! Just 'grizzly bear'.
But once it's a black bear and suddenly color is really important.

Sheesh.
 
2017-06-19 08:00:39 AM  
Katolu:  Dafuq is in the bald guy's hand!?

Which hand?
His right hand appears to be cupping a boob, while the left is entwined with the other participants hand.
 
2017-06-19 08:03:08 AM  
Read the headline and fully expected it to be a Grizzly.  Black bears are generally afraid of humans, unless they've been horribly conditioned by stupid human behavior such as intentional feeding of them.

Hiking the AT, I've seen half a dozen black bears up close and another dozen just running away in the distance.  One was sitting in the center of the trail along a ridge line, panting hard and just trying to catch a breeze.  The two hikers ahead of me just stopped short, and waited for more hikers to come along.  We formed a group, and kept walking towards the bear, yelling at it.  The bear didn't move, it seriously looked exhausted.  Eventually, we walked off trail a quarter mile to get around it.  Three bears were just doing bear things, tearing apart logs for the insects and foraging around.  Two bears were scrounging around shelter/tentsites at night looking for scraps of food. Those two bears are probably at risk for eventually getting relocated or killed, because they've come to associate humans with food.

My guess is that this bear has been previously screwed up by humans, maybe by hunters using food as bait, and teaching it that humans provide food.  Then again, it's possible it's prey instinct kicked in when it perceived a small human a running from it.
 
2017-06-19 08:14:12 AM  

Ker_Thwap: My guess is that this bear has been previously screwed up by humans, maybe by hunters using food as bait, and teaching it that humans provide food.  Then again, it's possible it's prey instinct kicked in when it perceived a small human a running from it.


That's my thinking.

Of the 7 fatal wild black bear attacks in the last 7 years, most seem to be predatory in nature.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_fatal_bear_attacks_in_North_Ame​r​ica#2010s
 
2017-06-19 08:17:24 AM  
You can't predict which bear is going to be predatory.

Ummmm.....  ALL wild bears in North America are predatory.  Some also eat grass and other non-meat things, but assuming that a bear you isn't going to eat you if you run into it is likely to be a bad assumption.
 
2017-06-19 08:25:41 AM  

Burke Turkey: The Googles Do Nothing: Zevon's Evil Twin: Black bears don't like the sound of the human voice which is why you're encouraged to speak loudly when you're on a hike.
You're also told not to move toward a bear nor to run away from a bear.
Above all, you're cautioned against surprising or startling them.

So let's send a bunch of people running through bear territory who are not talking because they're farking running, coming quickly around bends in the trail...

It's seems to me that setting up speakers a few hours before the race and playing a tape of people talking would encourage the bears to go elsewhere for the day.

/just sayin'

Boy Scouts teach you when hiking in bear country to have a little bell or something similar to make some noise whilst walking to announce your presence well in advance of your arrival so bears don't get startled and attack.    I would have thought in Alaska the race directors would also know this since but maybe they are just that hard core.

Bear bells are straight up stupid, and super aggravating. In many places bears are now drawn to them because they have learned that bear bells = humans and humans always have food with them that they don't always secure.

You may as well be wearing a dinner bell. If you come on a hiking trip with me and you wear a bear bell, you can either leave or take off the bear bell.


Hmmmm, interesting.  What is the recommended procedure for hiking in bear country?  I don't live around bears so I don't really know.
 
2017-06-19 08:36:24 AM  

The Googles Do Nothing: Burke Turkey: The Googles Do Nothing: Zevon's Evil Twin: Black bears don't like the sound of the human voice which is why you're encouraged to speak loudly when you're on a hike.
You're also told not to move toward a bear nor to run away from a bear.
Above all, you're cautioned against surprising or startling them.

So let's send a bunch of people running through bear territory who are not talking because they're farking running, coming quickly around bends in the trail...

It's seems to me that setting up speakers a few hours before the race and playing a tape of people talking would encourage the bears to go elsewhere for the day.

/just sayin'

Boy Scouts teach you when hiking in bear country to have a little bell or something similar to make some noise whilst walking to announce your presence well in advance of your arrival so bears don't get startled and attack.    I would have thought in Alaska the race directors would also know this since but maybe they are just that hard core.

Bear bells are straight up stupid, and super aggravating. In many places bears are now drawn to them because they have learned that bear bells = humans and humans always have food with them that they don't always secure.

You may as well be wearing a dinner bell. If you come on a hiking trip with me and you wear a bear bell, you can either leave or take off the bear bell.

Hmmmm, interesting.  What is the recommended procedure for hiking in bear country?  I don't live around bears so I don't really know.



http://www.wikihow.com/Keep-Bears-Away

If you google "what scares bears?" you'll get a lot of sites
The recommendations are different for each kind of bear but they share some commonalities.
Happy Hiking!
 
2017-06-19 08:38:18 AM  

ChuckRoddy: Looks at link .. Alaska, oh shiat...
BLACK bear? That's the "Oh shiat it's people" bear.
Not the "Hey look it's a walking hamburger" bear.


Killed by a black bear?  Best guess he ran between momma and a cub.  Unless Alaska bears come out of hibernation late June, black bears shouldn't be a problem.

Pretty sure bear bells would help here.  It's just that Alaska has plenty of bears you don't want to know you're around.
 
2017-06-19 08:42:50 AM  
The Googles Do Nothing:
Hmmmm, interesting.  What is the recommended procedure for hiking in bear country?  I don't live around bears so I don't really know.

Black bears.  Continue hiking at your normal pace, yell at the bear, make a lot of noise.  Form groups to do the same, especially if you're a small person.  If the bear won't move, move well away from the bear and continue on your way, all without running.  The danger to hikers from black bears is pretty much non existent.  You have a far greater danger of dying just driving on a road to the trail.

The greater danger is to the bear when sloppy hikers acclimate them to associate tents and backpacks with food.

At night, remove all scented items and food from your tent and backpack.  Hang your "bear bag" of items using the PCT bear bag hang method.  Essentially at least 10 feet high and away from trees. 200 feet downwind of your campsite.

I hiked along one guy for a few hours who had a bell.  It did nothing except annoy me.  I eventually increased my pace to get the hell away from him.
 
2017-06-19 08:44:46 AM  
"participant in the juniors division of the Robert Spurr Memorial Hill Climb,"
Just out of interest, how did Robert Spurr die?
 
2017-06-19 08:58:14 AM  
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2017-06-19 09:00:55 AM  

Cormee: "participant in the juniors division of the Robert Spurr Memorial Hill Climb,"
Just out of interest, how did Robert Spurr die?


he died in a mountaineering accident in Aspen, CO in 1995
 
2017-06-19 09:02:24 AM  
Worse in bat country.  I wouldn't even stop the car.
 
2017-06-19 09:05:08 AM  
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2017-06-19 09:06:37 AM  
You don't need to pack a gun to protect yourself from bears. Bear spray and bear bangers are far lighter and probably more effective.
 
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