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(Independent)   7/10 Brits no longer have any appetite for a Full English Brexit; over half now want the chance to change their order   ( independent.co.uk) divider line
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2017-06-18 05:49:02 PM  
Still keeping the brown sauce, though right?
 
2017-06-18 06:19:36 PM  
This from a Daily Mail article? And saying Hammond will seek staying in the customs union? Today the Mail published another article saying Hammond had announced he was backing may in her plans to leave the Single Market and customs union.
 
2017-06-18 06:59:20 PM  
Sorry UK, you brexit, you buy it
 
2017-06-18 07:33:49 PM  
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2017-06-18 09:36:13 PM  
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"I screwed you all, but thanks for blaming it on the brown guy."
 
2017-06-18 10:07:04 PM  
Can they?
 
2017-06-18 10:55:25 PM  

foo monkey: Can they?


Theoretically, yes, with a massive "but".

Brexit II: Last Week Tonight with John Oliver (HBO)
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2017-06-19 12:16:46 AM  

Bith Set Me Up: foo monkey: Can they?

Theoretically, yes, with a massive "but".

[YouTube video]


If they need a massive butt, I'm willing to help out.
 
2017-06-19 12:47:26 AM  

foo monkey: Can they?


If the 27 member states unanimously agree to give them what they want, yes.

So no.
 
2017-06-19 12:54:34 AM  

foo monkey: Bith Set Me Up: foo monkey: Can they?

Theoretically, yes, with a massive "but".

[YouTube video]

If they need a massive butt, I'm willing to help out.


They like big buts. They cannot lie.

But the damned fools also get off on stupid protest votes.
 
2017-06-19 12:54:49 AM  
I always found it baffling that a 52% score, with very clear differences between areas, was bring interpreted as support for the hard version of Brexit.
 
2017-06-19 12:59:23 AM  
i.telegraph.co.ukHere we go on another grand adventure!

/ no i can't give it up sorry
// karma will never not be funny
 
2017-06-19 01:05:24 AM  
You're killing me subs.  The full English breakfast is a wonder to behold...sauteed mushrooms before 7 am?
I want to go back!
 
2017-06-19 01:09:38 AM  

berylman: You're killing me subs.  The full English breakfast is a wonder to behold...sauteed mushrooms before 7 am?
I want to go back!


Americans really have an unhealthy relationship with food. I am happy with a cup of yogurt, a fruit, and a cup of coffee for breakfast.
 
2017-06-19 01:09:59 AM  
As Americans, it is hard for us to understand a majority of the voters being upset at the result of a vote.

Nope.   No idea.
 
2017-06-19 01:13:36 AM  

Harry_Seldon: Americans really have an unhealthy relationship with food. I am happy with a cup of yogurt, a fruit, and a cup of coffee for breakfast.


Honestly, I'm a relatively anorexic dude who skips breakfast usually.  It was only in Scotland doing some crazy hiking that I took full advantage of the stupendous breakfast buffets.  But your assumptions of the ugly American are made.
 
2017-06-19 01:15:05 AM  
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2017-06-19 01:21:36 AM  

padraig: I always found it baffling that a 52% score, with very clear differences between areas, was bring interpreted as support for the hard version of Brexit.


Yes exactly.

Simple majority isn't the end all be all it is made out to be.

What is stopping them from holding another referendum to further ascertain the will of the people?
 
2017-06-19 01:25:21 AM  

phaseolus: [img.fark.net image 620x413]


That looms like it would break the crapper when it brexits you.
 
2017-06-19 01:25:41 AM  

padraig: I always found it baffling that a 52% score, with very clear differences between areas, was bring interpreted as support for the hard version of Brexit.


Brexit is Britain's own Mirror of Erised. Everyone sees what they want to see in it. Protest vote, hard Brexit, soft Brexit, entry into the United States, war with the perfidious Continentals -- even, realllly weirdly -- some kind of reawakening of the British Empire.

Scrying what that ludicrous vote meant beyond "I am discontented and entitled to better!" is more akin to picking over a chicken's liver to discern the depth of the coming winter.
 
2017-06-19 01:27:06 AM  

phaseolus: [img.fark.net image 620x413]


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Two weeks
 
2017-06-19 01:49:26 AM  
We've had one Brexit, yes. But what about second Brexit?
 
2017-06-19 01:53:04 AM  

berylman: You're killing me subs.  The full English breakfast is a wonder to behold...sauteed mushrooms before 7 am?
I want to go back!


Nothing will make up for cold toast. Certainly not British bacon.
 
2017-06-19 01:58:57 AM  

phaseolus: [img.fark.net image 620x413]


 Aside from the really dark parts which I assume are mushrooms and therefore disgusting that doesn't seem like a bad meal to me.  But then again I don't have a permanent address at the moment so food is food.
Except mushrooms.
 
2017-06-19 02:12:39 AM  
I think there's a certain wisdom in listening to what Theresa May thinks would be a good idea and then immediately supporting a different position. Her misjudgement seems extremely reliable.
 
2017-06-19 02:21:30 AM  
they might not have the appetite but it's still what they're going to get. they gave their vote to a bunch of hard right tories and businessmen who took it and ran with and will continue to run with it.
it's done and it's too late to undue it.
dumbfarking arseholes.
 
2017-06-19 02:22:41 AM  

orangehat: Aside from the really dark parts which I assume are mushrooms and therefore disgusting that doesn't seem like a bad meal to me.


Mushrooms on the right, black pudding (blood sausage) on the left.
 
2017-06-19 02:42:39 AM  
Just try to be the new Switzerland
...but without all the gold.
 
2017-06-19 03:21:00 AM  

Ron Vibbentrop: This from a Daily Mail article? And saying Hammond will seek staying in the customs union? Today the Mail published another article saying Hammond had announced he was backing may in her plans to leave the Single Market and customs union.


When did Hammond get out of the hospital? And since when was May a "she". And where is Clarkson in all of this?
 
2017-06-19 03:23:16 AM  

berylman: You're killing me subs.  The full English breakfast is a wonder to behold...sauteed mushrooms before 7 am?
I want to go back!


Remove the beans, mushrooms and black pudding and add another egg and piece of bacon and i'm right there with you.
 
2017-06-19 03:47:23 AM  

PartTimeBuddha: foo monkey: Bith Set Me Up: foo monkey: Can they?

Theoretically, yes, with a massive "but".

[YouTube video]

If they need a massive butt, I'm willing to help out.

They like big buts. They cannot lie.

But the damned fools also get off on stupid protest votes.


Stupid protest votes is how we got the runner-up as president.
 
2017-06-19 03:56:03 AM  
I'd like to know what's possible.  Does the EU Charter have a "slink back in with our tail between our legs after a night out getting blackout drunk" clause?
 
2017-06-19 04:07:00 AM  

Harry_Seldon: berylman: You're killing me subs.  The full English breakfast is a wonder to behold...sauteed mushrooms before 7 am?
I want to go back!

Americans really have an unhealthy relationship with food. I am happy with a cup of yogurt, a fruit, and a cup of coffee for breakfast.



ENGLAND:God I'm hung over. Let's do ourselves up a bit of brekkie. How's about some fried eggs, fried back bacon, fried sausage, fried mushrooms, fried black pudding, bang a fried tomato on there for me health, and soak up the grease with some toast...wait, what am I saying? God, no, why toast the bread when we can fry that too? Ooh, mustn't forget the pile of baked beans too. Gotta have your beans. Now squirt some brown sauce all over that and we're just about ready...er, unless I want chips, too. Do I want some nice thick greasy chips? Why yes, I think I do. Now let's wash 'er down with a nice pot of tea, three lumps for me love, and we're all set.

AMERICA: Wow, ha ha, that looks pretty awesome.

PASSERBY: Ugh. America has suchan unhealthy relationship with food.
 
2017-06-19 04:37:43 AM  

Raoul Eaton: I'd like to know what's possible.  Does the EU Charter have a "slink back in with our tail between our legs after a night out getting blackout drunk" clause?


Macron has said Britain is welcome to change its mind up until the end of negotiations and the ratification of Britain's new relationship with the EU, and the word of France counts for quite a lot. We're in uncharted waters here; there is no precedent for any of this, and there is no enforcement of EU rules but through the EU itself, so questions of "can they do X" are all questions of "would the EU leaders like X to happen."

From the EU's end, all indications are that it would be entirely acceptable for Britain to put the final product of negotiations up for a vote, with failure to pass resulting in the reversal of Brexit and the return of Britain to the EU fold. Brexit is 100% self-inflicted on the part of the British; the EU would be perfectly happy for Britain to hold a little face-saving Second Brexit and then give some speeches saying "well I think we've proved our point so I hope you Euros have learnt your lessons" before quietly returning to the 2016 status quo.

Now whether that would fly in Britain is something else entirely...but it's telling that public opinion has begun to shift so dramatically after just a few months of high inflation, poor growth, and the Tory government promising and ever-harsher Brexit alongside ever-tighter austerity.

Britain agreed to the campaign slogan "let's Brexit so we can negotiate a better deal and give more money to social services," and then a year later the Tories called a snap election on the slogan "let's have a bloody difficult Brexit with no deal whatsoever, oh, and we haven't got any more money for social services so if you need social care you'll have to pay for it by giving the government your house." And that blew up square in their face, because despite the protestations of people like RV, that wasn't remotely the deal that the 52% of Brexiters thought they were getting, and certainly wasn't what the 48% of Remainers wanted.

Britain voted very narrowly for a vague "Brexit" made of fluffy promises of "restored sovereignty" and free hundreds of millions of pounds poured into our pockets every week.  Theresa May has treated that like an overwhelming mandate for a Ukipper wet dream and lost her majority in the process. Now the future is very uncertain, and I wouldn't wager any money on any particular outcome.
 
2017-06-19 04:49:38 AM  

padraig: I always found it baffling that a 52% score, with very clear differences between areas, was bring interpreted as support for the hard version of Brexit.


The public discourse is driven by three things: the government, the opposition, and the press.

The Tory government wants a hard Brexit, because the Tory Remainers were totally discredited by their decision to hold a referendum they subsequently and unexpectedly lost. Only the right wing of the party has had any internal credibility.

The opposition is led by Jeremy Corbyn, a crypto-Brexiteer and old-school Marxist who seems to think all foreign trade is part of an international financial plot to shackle the workers of the world in chains of ever-fiercer "competition." He's pleased as punch by Brexit and would be entirely happy to see Britain as a self-sufficient little worker's commune cut off from the rest of the world.

The press, led by the Murdoch papers aimed squarely at the dwindling and increasingly-elderly market for print news, are either howling baboons who run daily front-page stories about the evil migrants coming to take your job, knock up your daughter, and then funnel your tax money into terror mosques, or are staid, reserved "objective journalists" who are forbidden from covering any "controversy" in any way but he-said-she-said.

Every engine of public political discourse has been yanking the Brexit coverage and the Brexit proposals further and further to the right, even as the British public has remained more-or-less where it has always been: not particularly enthralled by the EU, but also not particularly willing to slice open their own guts just to ruin the EU's dinner jacket with the blood splatter.
 
2017-06-19 04:59:58 AM  

padraig: I always found it baffling that a 52% score, with very clear differences between areas, was bring interpreted as support for the hard version of Brexit.


The genius of David Cameron.
 
2017-06-19 05:56:04 AM  
Fifty-three per cent of people would back a vote on whether to accept the terms of the final Brexit deal, with 47 per cent opposed, a Survation poll found.

53-47 is hardly a sweeping mandate, is it? No, I think we need to stick with The Will Of The People, as per the referendum.
 
2017-06-19 06:00:51 AM  

Wyalt Derp: Fifty-three per cent of people would back a vote on whether to accept the terms of the final Brexit deal, with 47 per cent opposed, a Survation poll found.

53-47 is hardly a sweeping mandate, is it? No, I think we need to stick with The Will Of The People, as per the referendum.


Yeah, you can't really say there's any sort of mandate with about half of the public wanting something and the other approximate half opposing it, especially when we're talking about something so loosely defined as a Brexit referendum.

Better just split the difference and go through with the most extreme vision of a "no deal" absolute disintegration of all Britain's links with the outside world.
 
2017-06-19 06:23:09 AM  
pkjun: ... a "no deal" absolute disintegration of all Britain's links with the outside world.

So you accuse people of spreading misinformation and then post misinformation.

Interesting tactic.
 
2017-06-19 06:40:44 AM  
Remember the British Empire?
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Less than a century ago, Britain was the World's only true superpower, and more than 1 in 4 people on this PLANET were British. The cold war wouldn't have even happened if they had stayed the course, because neither the US nor the USSR could have become powerful enough to take their spot.

Conservatives have sometimes done good at correcting a Nation's trajectory in some cases.... Not British conservatives though.

They have screwed that poor Nation terribly, over and over.

/Arguably, it may have been better for their colonies though.
 
2017-06-19 06:53:41 AM  

phaseolus: [img.fark.net image 620x413]


*Pictured - A typical English breakfast. As is tradition; it will be boiled overnight to make portioning easier for first, second, and midmorning breakfast for the whole family.
 
2017-06-19 07:05:21 AM  

Krieghund: phaseolus: [img.fark.net image 620x413]

That looms like it would break the crapper when it brexits you.


There's not a great deal of fibre in that lot - the baked beans, yes, but most of the rest of it is protein (sausages, eggs, blood sausage), or low-residue (white bread, mushrooms). Tomato doesn't have a lot of fibre.

Persnickety pedantry aside, I think I'll serve up an english breakfast for the kids this weekend.
 
2017-06-19 07:11:26 AM  

Sammichless: Remember the British Empire?
[img.fark.net image 602x361]
Less than a century ago, Britain was the World's only true superpower, and more than 1 in 4 people on this PLANET were British. The cold war wouldn't have even happened if they had stayed the course, because neither the US nor the USSR could have become powerful enough to take their spot.

Conservatives have sometimes done good at correcting a Nation's trajectory in some cases.... Not British conservatives though.

They have screwed that poor Nation terribly, over and over.

/Arguably, it may have been better for their colonies though.


A sobering reminder for America.
 
2017-06-19 07:12:46 AM  

Derp Du Jour: phaseolus: [img.fark.net image 620x413]

*Pictured - A typical English breakfast. As is tradition; it will be boiled overnight to make portioning easier for first, second, and midmorning breakfast for the whole family.


Boiled? BOILED?!?!?!?! It's shallow-fried, you dummy. The eggs are fried, the mushrooms are fried, the sausages are fried, the tomato is fried, the bread is fried (in a LOT of butter), the blood pudding is fried, the bacon is fried, only the baked beans aren't fried, and they're re-heated from a can (a bloody BIG can. Ever seen those catering cans of heinz?)

It's a treat that everyone should have once every couple of months. You could even have it for lunch, or dinner, with a pint of Guinness or Beamish to wash it down.
 
2017-06-19 07:16:27 AM  

ol' gormsby: Persnickety pedantry aside, I think I'll serve up an english breakfast for the kids this weekend.


I lived in India for a while and discovered that a Tawa is perfect for cooking a FEB, just add the items in order of cooking time, and when the whole lot is done, slide it all onto the plate (if you want baked beans, just microwave those on the plate and slide the other items around them when they are cooked).
 
2017-06-19 07:19:05 AM  

LoneWolf343: Sammichless: Remember the British Empire?
[img.fark.net image 602x361]
Less than a century ago, Britain was the World's only true superpower, and more than 1 in 4 people on this PLANET were British. The cold war wouldn't have even happened if they had stayed the course, because neither the US nor the USSR could have become powerful enough to take their spot.

Conservatives have sometimes done good at correcting a Nation's trajectory in some cases.... Not British conservatives though.

They have screwed that poor Nation terribly, over and over.

/Arguably, it may have been better for their colonies though.

A sobering reminder for America.


Yes. Empires last long or short, but they don't last forever. The ancient romans arguably held power over a greater part of the world (as it was then) than any empire since (arguably true also for the mongol horde), but they don't last forever.

I suppose very few in the roman empire at its height ever thought much further than the next generation or two.
 
2017-06-19 07:27:08 AM  

ol' gormsby: Derp Du Jour: phaseolus: [img.fark.net image 620x413]

*Pictured - A typical English breakfast. As is tradition; it will be boiled overnight to make portioning easier for first, second, and midmorning breakfast for the whole family.

Boiled? BOILED?!?!?!?! It's shallow-fried, you dummy. The eggs are fried, the mushrooms are fried, the sausages are fried, the tomato is fried, the bread is fried (in a LOT of butter), the blood pudding is fried, the bacon is fried, only the baked beans aren't fried, and they're re-heated from a can (a bloody BIG can. Ever seen those catering cans of heinz?)

It's a treat that everyone should have once every couple of months. You could even have it for lunch, or dinner, with a pint of Guinness or Beamish to wash it down.


I beg to differ, a true master of the art would give the heated beans a quick swill in the frying pan after the all the other goodies have been cooked.
Also the Full English washed down with sweet tea is the best hangover cure that has ever been created.
 
2017-06-19 07:35:00 AM  

Zenith: ol' gormsby: Derp Du Jour: phaseolus: [img.fark.net image 620x413]

*Pictured - A typical English breakfast. As is tradition; it will be boiled overnight to make portioning easier for first, second, and midmorning breakfast for the whole family.

Boiled? BOILED?!?!?!?! It's shallow-fried, you dummy. The eggs are fried, the mushrooms are fried, the sausages are fried, the tomato is fried, the bread is fried (in a LOT of butter), the blood pudding is fried, the bacon is fried, only the baked beans aren't fried, and they're re-heated from a can (a bloody BIG can. Ever seen those catering cans of heinz?)

It's a treat that everyone should have once every couple of months. You could even have it for lunch, or dinner, with a pint of Guinness or Beamish to wash it down.

I beg to differ, a true master of the art would give the heated beans a quick swill in the frying pan after the all the other goodies have been cooked.
Also the Full English washed down with sweet tea is the best hangover cure that has ever been created.


Oooohhh, coat the baked beans in assorted rendered fats. You, sir, are a winner!

Have to disagree about the sweet tea, tho'. Strong, stand-your-spoon-up-in-it unsweetened for me.
 
2017-06-19 07:36:39 AM  
All I know is I've ordered the full English breakfast, and by that pic, got screwed out of several goodies.
 
2017-06-19 07:57:10 AM  
Just now, being Theresa May sucks almost as bad being Donald Trump.
 
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