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(Nerdist)   After three disastrous attempts to make Fantastic Four work as a franchise, Kevin Feige says there are "no more plans" for another awful film based on Marvel's first family   ( nerdist.com) divider line
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2017-06-17 06:29:21 PM  
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2017-06-17 07:02:05 PM  
Good.  Give it back to marvel and let them make something good.
 
2017-06-17 07:09:26 PM  

ManateeGag: Good.  Give it back to marvel and let them make something good.


I don't think even Marvel could manage that. At least, not in their own movie.
 
2017-06-17 07:18:33 PM  
All I want is the Silver Surfer in something good. Fantastic Four based? Solo? Whatever, I just want it. Heck, do some kind of variant like the Moebius drawn story as a way to get him into the MCU. The fact that he is not in the Infinity Gauntlet story is maddening.
 
2017-06-17 07:18:43 PM  
F4 is a relic of a bygone era. Only way it could work would be having them get their powers in the '50s/'60s, some timey-wimey shiat teleports them to the present, and they have to adjust to present day while also saving the world and work from there.
 
2017-06-17 07:20:16 PM  

Gubbo: ManateeGag: Good.  Give it back to marvel and let them make something good.

I don't think even Marvel could manage that. At least, not in their own movie.


No, but there is plenty Marvel could do with Galactus, the Surfer, the Shi'ar, etc. They would work nicely into the Guardians' corner of the universe.

However, I don't want Marvel to try anything with Doom. He'd just have a crazy scheme, temporarily overpower the Avengers, slip up, and then die at the end of the movie. Feige has no interest in depth when it comes to his villains.
 
2017-06-17 07:22:07 PM  

clkeagle: No, but there is plenty Marvel could do with Galactus, the Surfer, the Shi'ar, etc. They would work nicely into the Guardians' corner of the universe.


That's a very good point. Ok, now I want Starlord and Silver Surfer in a movie together.
 
2017-06-17 07:24:58 PM  

McGrits: All I want is the Silver Surfer in something good. Fantastic Four based? Solo? Whatever, I just want it. Heck, do some kind of variant like the Moebius drawn story as a way to get him into the MCU. The fact that he is not in the Infinity Gauntlet story is maddening.


I'd like a good silver surfer movie, as well. I have issue #1 framed hanging on my wall.

/between daredevil #1 and iron man #1
 
2017-06-17 07:25:25 PM  
Can I just say that Chris Evans and Michael Chiklis were perfect for their respective roles? Nothing else about any Fantastic Four movie has ever been OK, but those two were great.
 
2017-06-17 07:27:03 PM  

likefunbutnot: Can I just say that Chris Evans and Michael Chiklis were perfect for their respective roles? Nothing else about any Fantastic Four movie has ever been OK, but those two were great.


Jessica alba is terrible and cant act.  Even with a good script/director that movie wouldve been doomed.
 
2017-06-17 07:27:20 PM  

likefunbutnot: Can I just say that Chris Evans and Michael Chiklis were perfect for their respective roles? Nothing else about any Fantastic Four movie has ever been OK, but those two were great.


I think you're forgetting half-naked Jessica Alba. I think there was a movie around that scene, but my memory is fuzzy.
 
2017-06-17 07:31:10 PM  

McGrits: All I want is the Silver Surfer in something good. Fantastic Four based? Solo? Whatever, I just want it. Heck, do some kind of variant like the Moebius drawn story as a way to get him into the MCU. The fact that he is not in the Infinity Gauntlet story is maddening.


You're off your rocker. Silver Surfer wasn't important to the Infinity Gauntlet story line at all.

AT ALL!
 
2017-06-17 07:31:42 PM  
Calling it now: A reboot will be announced in 18 months and the fan boys will cream themselves over all of the fan service that the studio and the director promise will be in the movie.
 
2017-06-17 07:32:50 PM  

Tchernobog: likefunbutnot: Can I just say that Chris Evans and Michael Chiklis were perfect for their respective roles? Nothing else about any Fantastic Four movie has ever been OK, but those two were great.

I think you're forgetting half-naked Jessica Alba. I think there was a movie around that scene, but my memory is fuzzy.


Machette.
 
2017-06-17 07:33:07 PM  
The Avengers movies worked because we already had the origin stories of the individuals.

I understand that's somewhat problematic with the 4 (they share an origin, right?).  I could never get into the movies because the characters were too much for a movie - I was never able to care enough about the individual members for their problems as a group to matter to me. With the Avengers, I already had hours of Ironman, Cap, Thor etc before they came together - with the 4, as I recall, it was "these 4 astronauts got screwed and now they're superheroes" in the first few minutes. When characters I didn't have a chance to care about get thrown off the superhero deep-end, its kind of hard to be empathetic to them. It was more about their powers than their characters - I think that's why the one I saw didn't work for me.
 
2017-06-17 07:33:35 PM  

clkeagle: Feige has no interest in depth when it comes to his villains.


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2017-06-17 07:39:55 PM  

fusillade762: clkeagle: Feige has no interest in depth when it comes to his villains.

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Kinda case in point, yeah?  Loki is pretty one-note.  And kind of validates the lack of farks given, because he's perfectly fine, the actor does him well, and his one-noteness in no way drags down the film.

They're mostly action films, two-dimensional antagonists are more a feature than a bug.
 
2017-06-17 07:42:53 PM  
What the hell is up with that mobile page? It loads almost all the way and then the whole thing refreshes. Endlessly. Guess Nerdist found a way to increase clicks?
 
2017-06-17 07:45:11 PM  
I half-enjoyed the Alba movies. They had a bit of whimsy reminiscent of the early FF. Too bad they screwed up Doom and Galactus.
 
2017-06-17 07:46:28 PM  
I wish Marvel could acquire the rights to Galactus, Kang, the Skrulls, and maybe even Doom. Don't care about the rest of the FF.
 
2017-06-17 07:46:55 PM  
So, Rock Monster and the Invisible girl can now happen?

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2017-06-17 07:57:37 PM  

fusillade762: clkeagle: Feige has no interest in depth when it comes to his villains.

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Which was followed up with...?

I'd be absolutely delighted if Doom could be done as well as Loki. But Feige has said numerous times that he is trying to tell the heroes' story, no the villains'.
 
2017-06-17 08:00:17 PM  
I want the rights to revert back to Marvel for things like Galactus and Annihilus. Hell, even if we got the Skrulls that would be worthwhile.
 
2017-06-17 08:01:19 PM  
that last one could have been a good movie. the first act was great until they went to the negative zone.
it just got real shiatty real fast.
 
2017-06-17 08:02:38 PM  

McGrits: All I want is the Silver Surfer in something good. Fantastic Four based? Solo? Whatever, I just want it. Heck, do some kind of variant like the Moebius drawn story as a way to get him into the MCU. The fact that he is not in the Infinity Gauntlet story is maddening.


Victor Von Doom is no man's second choice, and he will not be ignored!
 
2017-06-17 08:06:14 PM  

clkeagle: Gubbo: ManateeGag: Good.  Give it back to marvel and let them make something good.

I don't think even Marvel could manage that. At least, not in their own movie.

No, but there is plenty Marvel could do with Galactus, the Surfer, the Shi'ar, etc. They would work nicely into the Guardians' corner of the universe.


Shi'ar are from X-men. They're gonna be in the next movie. They just cast Lilandra. Hope it's more future past and less apocalypse.

McGrits: All I want is the Silver Surfer in something good. Fantastic Four based? Solo? Whatever, I just want it. Heck, do some kind of variant like the Moebius drawn story as a way to get him into the MCU. The fact that he is not in the Infinity Gauntlet story is maddening.


does silver surfer have a personality? He always came off kinda solemn and boring.
 
2017-06-17 08:25:59 PM  
Fantastic Four just doesn't translate well to the big screen, and if it does translate well to the big screen, then it'd have to be in a format that makes it less than a superhero movie and more of a Lost in Space type movie, since the only thing that I remember from Fantastic Four is that they were always going into outer space over one thing or another.

Which means that with the MCU, they might work with the Infinity Gauntlet storyline, but they aren't exactly going to really contribute much to the storyline since everybody in the Fantastic Four can already be represented by existing Avengers characters, so they would have no purpose other than fan service.
 
2017-06-17 08:37:08 PM  
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Did someone say First Family?
 
2017-06-17 08:44:55 PM  
Every Fantastic Four movie has been a complete suckfest. The latest one made no sense whatsoever. What the hell was that alternate universe they ended up in?
However, Kate Mara should be in more movies because she makes my wee-wee feel funny.
 
2017-06-17 08:58:24 PM  
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2017-06-17 09:07:42 PM  

BullBearMS: [img.fark.net image 597x448]


Come to think of it, the Venture Bros. version of the Fantastic Four was far more entertaining than any of the recent FF movies...

/ and that was only 22 minutes long, or something like that.
 
2017-06-17 09:14:25 PM  

moothemagiccow: Shi'ar are from X-men. They're gonna be in the next movie. They just cast Lilandra. Hope it's more future past and less apocalypse.


Huh, I didn't think Fox was ever going to do anything with the Shi'ar. I'm cautiously optimistic now.

Plus, the Skrulls would be more appropriate for the current MCU, now that I think about it.
 
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2017-06-17 09:18:58 PM  
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2017-06-17 09:25:34 PM  

rev.love_revolver: [img.fark.net image 493x750]

Did someone say First Family?


That looks like the kind of thing I'd enjoy reading. Was it any good, and is it collected somewhere?
 
2017-06-17 09:33:48 PM  
I thought the body horror angle the last FF had going was good. Too bad they didn't pursue that. Imagine a superhero series where the characters are horrified by what they are. Not just trying to be accepted by the mainstream, like Xmen, but struggling to accept themselves. At least it'd be different than what everyone else is doing. Hulk is the one character closest to this so far.
 
2017-06-17 09:46:41 PM  

KelvinTheClown: rev.love_revolver: [img.fark.net image 493x750]

Did someone say First Family?

That looks like the kind of thing I'd enjoy reading. Was it any good, and is it collected somewhere?


It's from the multi-Eisner award winning Astro City, which has been collected into 14 volumes since 1995 and is still going strong... Definitely check it out, you won't be disappointed!
 
2017-06-17 09:48:59 PM  
It's actually pretty simple: set the story in the 60s with all the crazy futurism and cultural trappings intact. Keep things slightly campy and fun. Find someone other than Dr. Doom to be the villain. Save him for a sequel.

There is nothing wrong with the F4 or their story. It's just that there's been little imagination put into telling it onscreen.
 
2017-06-17 10:02:31 PM  
I like the first two. The ones with Jessica Alba.

You may throw rocks at me now.
 
2017-06-17 10:05:36 PM  
I dont get it.  There is nothing wrong with the Fantastic Four.   The Incredibles did a hell of a job getting it right.  Why cant FOX?
 
2017-06-17 10:08:16 PM  

DubyaHater: Every Fantastic Four movie has been a complete suckfest. The latest one made no sense whatsoever. What the hell was that alternate universe they ended up in?
However, Kate Mara should be in more movies because she makes my wee-wee feel funny.


+1 for Kate Mara.
 
2017-06-17 10:15:45 PM  

Fano: McGrits: All I want is the Silver Surfer in something good. Fantastic Four based? Solo? Whatever, I just want it. Heck, do some kind of variant like the Moebius drawn story as a way to get him into the MCU. The fact that he is not in the Infinity Gauntlet story is maddening.

Victor Von Doom is no man's second choice, and he will not be ignored!


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2017-06-17 10:28:07 PM  

Jim_Callahan: fusillade762: clkeagle: Feige has no interest in depth when it comes to his villains.

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Kinda case in point, yeah?  Loki is pretty one-note.  And kind of validates the lack of farks given, because he's perfectly fine, the actor does him well, and his one-noteness in no way drags down the film.

They're mostly action films, two-dimensional antagonists are more a feature than a bug.


The problem with Loki is Marvel intentionally downplaying his character after the fact to keep people from rooting for him and focus on the heroes. Deleted scenes and cut dialogue throughout his MCU appearances paint a picture of a man who is arguably justified in a lot of his actions. For example he absolutely IS the rightful King of Asgard and Thor is an usuper no matter how you slice it.

But the story was intentionally twisted and edited by Marvel over the various films to shy away from this, and it was done badly. Because even after the fact there are enough plot holes and odd motivations and actions that any viewer who cares to do so can read between the lines and see that Loki is getting the shaft.

From a reasonable perspective, Loki's story is of a man driven to madness by rejection, betrayal, and racism from people he considered friends and family all because they want his prettier and dumber brother to be King.
 
2017-06-17 10:35:04 PM  

clkeagle: However, I don't want Marvel to try anything with Doom. He'd just have a crazy scheme, temporarily overpower the Avengers, slip up, and then die at the end of the movie. Feige has no interest in depth when it comes to his villains.


This.

The only villain with any depth is Loki, and that's because he's in multiple movies. It's great the heroes survive and resolve the crisis, but the villains have to survive too, otherwise there's no buildup in latter movies when they throw down. And they don't necessarily have to fight each other in every flick.

Take a cue from pro wrestling on how to properly build up heroes and villains (ie: faces and heels), and let each movie build up the suspense until they finally throw down at Marvelslam '17 or something.
 
2017-06-17 10:49:45 PM  

Esroc: The problem with Loki ... Deleted scenes and cut dialogue throughout his MCU appearances paint a picture of a man who is arguably justified in a lot of his actions. For example he absolutely IS the rightful King of Asgard and Thor is an usuper no matter how you slice it.


Citation/link/explanation?
 
2017-06-17 10:50:42 PM  

secularsage: It's actually pretty simple: set the story in the 60s with all the crazy futurism and cultural trappings intact. Keep things slightly campy and fun. Find someone other than Dr. Doom to be the villain. Save him for a sequel.

There is nothing wrong with the F4 or their story. It's just that there's been little imagination put into telling it onscreen.


Throw in Peggy Carter and Howard Stark, make it SHELD's first experience with enhanced types since Cap went into the ice and the first attempt to make a team of supers.
And low key.  Nothing so huge and grand and unforgettable that would no sense that no one ever mentioned in the MCU since.
 
2017-06-17 10:58:51 PM  
Three-part series, but I'll just link the first.  It's pretty good if you can stand MovieBob.
In Bob We Trust - HOW TO FIX "THE FANTASTIC FOUR" IN THE MCU (PART I)
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2017-06-17 11:06:13 PM  

AquaTatanka: Esroc: The problem with Loki ... Deleted scenes and cut dialogue throughout his MCU appearances paint a picture of a man who is arguably justified in a lot of his actions. For example he absolutely IS the rightful King of Asgard and Thor is an usuper no matter how you slice it.

Citation/link/explanation?


Thor tried to start an all out war with the Ice Giants and was banished by Odin for his warmongering. Also remember that Loki tried to stop Thor and was the voice of reason during this incident. Odin then fell into odinsleep. Loki is a legitimate son of Odin, even if adopted, and thus is default heir due to Thors exile. So he rightfully ascends to the throne. Loki taking the throne in Thor 1 was completely legal.

Thor shows back up on Asgard, sees his little brother on the throne, decides he's having none of that shiat, and starts a coup to overthrow the rightful King of a nationjust because he wants to be a King. Against Odin's wishes, I might add.

This is all explained in deleted scenes that were cut in order to make Loki less identifiable. You can argue that Loki was going to be a bad King, but he never even got a chance to show if this was the case. Because Thor usurped his throne out of ambition.
 
2017-06-17 11:38:47 PM  

Esroc: AquaTatanka: Esroc: The problem with Loki ... Deleted scenes and cut dialogue throughout his MCU appearances paint a picture of a man who is arguably justified in a lot of his actions. For example he absolutely IS the rightful King of Asgard and Thor is an usuper no matter how you slice it.

Citation/link/explanation?

Thor tried to start an all out war with the Ice Giants and was banished by Odin for his warmongering. Also remember that Loki tried to stop Thor and was the voice of reason during this incident. Odin then fell into odinsleep. Loki is a legitimate son of Odin, even if adopted, and thus is default heir due to Thors exile. So he rightfully ascends to the throne. Loki taking the throne in Thor 1 was completely legal.

Thor shows back up on Asgard, sees his little brother on the throne, decides he's having none of that shiat, and starts a coup to overthrow the rightful King of a nationjust because he wants to be a King. Against Odin's wishes, I might add.

This is all explained in deleted scenes that were cut in order to make Loki less identifiable. You can argue that Loki was going to be a bad King, but he never even got a chance to show if this was the case. Because Thor usurped his throne out of ambition.


Loki colluded with thier sworn enemy to launch the vault attack.  That led directly to Thor's reprisal attack on Yotunheim.  That led directly to Thor's banishment, Loki learning his true parentage, and Odin falling into Odinsleep.  Loki never rises to the throne without foreign collusion and duplicity on his part. (Sounds like someone else I know of)  his entire rule is invalidated by his treason. (Ahem)

You probably think Billy Zabka is "The Karate Kid" too, huh?

/my Thor DVD is at my pops place or id rewatch deleted scenes now
 
2017-06-17 11:47:23 PM  

AquaTatanka: Esroc: AquaTatanka: Esroc: The problem with Loki ... Deleted scenes and cut dialogue throughout his MCU appearances paint a picture of a man who is arguably justified in a lot of his actions. For example he absolutely IS the rightful King of Asgard and Thor is an usuper no matter how you slice it.

Citation/link/explanation?

Thor tried to start an all out war with the Ice Giants and was banished by Odin for his warmongering. Also remember that Loki tried to stop Thor and was the voice of reason during this incident. Odin then fell into odinsleep. Loki is a legitimate son of Odin, even if adopted, and thus is default heir due to Thors exile. So he rightfully ascends to the throne. Loki taking the throne in Thor 1 was completely legal.

Thor shows back up on Asgard, sees his little brother on the throne, decides he's having none of that shiat, and starts a coup to overthrow the rightful King of a nationjust because he wants to be a King. Against Odin's wishes, I might add.

This is all explained in deleted scenes that were cut in order to make Loki less identifiable. You can argue that Loki was going to be a bad King, but he never even got a chance to show if this was the case. Because Thor usurped his throne out of ambition.

Loki colluded with thier sworn enemy to launch the vault attack.  That led directly to Thor's reprisal attack on Yotunheim.  That led directly to Thor's banishment, Loki learning his true parentage, and Odin falling into Odinsleep.  Loki never rises to the throne without foreign collusion and duplicity on his part. (Sounds like someone else I know of)  his entire rule is invalidated by his treason. (Ahem)

You probably think Billy Zabka is "The Karate Kid" too, huh?

/my Thor DVD is at my pops place or id rewatch deleted scenes now


Not well versed in the realities of medieval style government are you? What with Game of Thrones being so popular you'd think people would understand that monarchies are built on subterfuge. I won't argue that Loki is a dick. He surely is. But his actions were par for course in that kind of society, his ascension was legal, and Thor is a good-hearted meathead who I would argue doesn't have what it takes to be a King either.
 
2017-06-17 11:53:10 PM  

AquaTatanka: You probably think Billy Zabka is "The Karate Kid" too, huh?


didn't the crane kick break the rules?
 
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