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(Onion AV Club)   Neither. The correct answer is Their Satanic Majesties Request   ( avclub.com) divider line
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2017-06-17 10:41:18 AM  
C'mon Subby. Their Satanic Majesties Request isn't even the best Stones album. That's Sticky Fingers. Everyone knows that.

And don't you start with your Exile On Main Street crap again.

Also, with respect to the actual article. Sgt. Pepper > Pet Sounds.
 
ZAZ [TotalFark]
2017-06-17 10:42:12 AM  
Reading about Pet Sounds it seems to be like Citizen Kane, a good work that is best appreciated if you had been listening to what came before it. Or didn't come before it. By the time I was musically aware the Beach Boys were already old.  (I'm a little younger than Pet Sounds.)
 
2017-06-17 10:45:40 AM  
How is this a debate?  Sgt Pepper wins this battle every time.  EVERY TIME!
 
Ant
2017-06-17 10:59:06 AM  
Sgt Pepper. It's not really their fault, but I hate The Beach Boys because their music reminds me of stupid TV and radio commercials. Good Vibrations starts out pretty cool, but the chorus ruins the entire song.
 
Ant
2017-06-17 11:03:43 AM  
As for The Rolling Stones, its gotta be Let It Bleed, for Merry Clayton's singing alone.
 
2017-06-17 11:10:39 AM  
Dark Side of the Moon.

/It's just solid real music, and doesn't have all the random strange talking and silly sound effects that fill all the dead spaces on Sgt. Pepper or Pet Sounds.
 
ZAZ [TotalFark]
2017-06-17 11:13:22 AM  
The theme of the article is 50 year old albums, not best album your grandpa likes.
 
2017-06-17 12:19:18 PM  

ZAZ: The theme of the article is 50 year old albums, not best album your grandpa likes.


One of my grandfathers loved the album this was on:

Marty Robbins Singing Cool Water
Youtube RxAQwMNXlic
 
2017-06-17 02:07:16 PM  
The Beach Boys Shred I Get Around
Youtube xYc4DT18EJg

Beach Boys at their finest.
 
2017-06-17 02:08:14 PM  
Aside from a few absolute knockout songs, Pet Sounds is a pretty dull album. Caroline No was revolutionary for the Beach Boys, but not for rock. Beatles were doing stuff like that years before.

Sgt Pepper's is weird, too, because it has some of the best Beatles songs, one of the worst (Good Morning, Good Morning) and a few middling ones. The album was a turning point for the Beatles but it's far from their best.


//THE ROLLING STONES SUCK
 
2017-06-17 02:14:56 PM  

ZAZ: Reading about Pet Sounds it seems to be like Citizen Kane, a good work that is best appreciated if you had been listening to what came before it. Or didn't come before it. By the time I was musically aware the Beach Boys were already old.  (I'm a little younger than Pet Sounds.)


Let's look at it this way: Pet Sounds is a Fredrick Edwin Church painting.

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Sgt. Pepper's is Picasso's "Guernica"

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Sometimes you want to be challenged by music and want to work at listening to it to decipher what is going on. Sometimes you just want to relax and just let beauty wash over you. One isn't necessarily better or worse than the other, they just do different things. Horses for courses.
 
2017-06-17 02:16:16 PM  
Even Mick Jagger knew that was a shiat album.

"There's a lot of rubbish on Satanic Majesties. Just too much time on our hands, too many drugs, no producer to tell us, "Enough already, thank you very much, now can we just get on with this song?" Anyone let loose in the studio will produce stuff like that. There was simply too much hanging around. It's like believing everything you do is great and not having any editing"
 
2017-06-17 02:18:36 PM  
Is this the Honky Dry appreciation thread?
David Bowie - Queen Bitch
Youtube S5P63qGTm_g
 
2017-06-17 02:18:51 PM  
i.imgur.com
 
2017-06-17 02:21:19 PM  
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Let's face it. 1967 was a hell of a year for music. Including this debut. (Not my fav of hers)


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2017-06-17 02:25:21 PM  
 upload.wikimedia.org
 
2017-06-17 02:27:31 PM  

Dr.Fey: Dark Side of the Moon.

/It's just solid real music, and doesn't have all the random strange talking and silly sound effects that fill all the dead spaces on Sgt. Pepper or Pet Sounds.


I'll take your word for it, but when I listen to Dark Side of the Moon I hear random strange sounds.  But it's probably just something I ate.
 
2017-06-17 02:27:40 PM  

The_Philosopher_King: [img.fark.net image 420x414]
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Let's face it. 1967 was a hell of a year for music. Including this debut. (Not my fav of hers)


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You should go ahead and throw this gem on to the pile:
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2017-06-17 02:31:52 PM  
Let's look at it from a cultural impact/consequences standpoint. To the best of my knowledge, Pet Sounds never resulted in a crappy movie starring Peter Frampton and the Bee Gees.

Winner: Pet Sounds
 
2017-06-17 02:33:22 PM  
"The debate over which of these classic albums is superior has raged ever since they were released"

I've never understood this ignorant notion some people have where everything has to be ranked. This is actually a trait of OCD, your brain just goes haywire until you put things in a numbered list of good to bad.
 
2017-06-17 02:33:55 PM  
moothemagiccow: Aside from a few absolute knockout songs, Pet Sounds is a pretty dull album. Caroline No was revolutionary for the Beach Boys, but not for rock. Beatles were doing stuff like that years before.

EXACTLY THIS!!  I'm sorry, but I've never bought into the "Pet Sounds" mythos.  It was a BRILLIANT Beach Boys album but barely above-average compared to everything else going on in rock.


//THE ROLLING STONES SUCK

2 for 2 !!  Why do the Rolling Stones even exist?  The Animals were a better R&B band, the Who were better musicians, and the Kinks were better songwriters.  I guess somebody had to be the "anti-Beatles" (a title created in-house by Stones PR)
 
2017-06-17 02:37:50 PM  

Maynotlast: moothemagiccow: Aside from a few absolute knockout songs, Pet Sounds is a pretty dull album. Caroline No was revolutionary for the Beach Boys, but not for rock. Beatles were doing stuff like that years before.

EXACTLY THIS!!  I'm sorry, but I've never bought into the "Pet Sounds" mythos.  It was a BRILLIANT Beach Boys album but barely above-average compared to everything else going on in rock.


//THE ROLLING STONES SUCK

2 for 2 !!  Why do the Rolling Stones even exist?  The Animals were a better R&B band, the Who were better musicians, and the Kinks were better songwriters.  I guess somebody had to be the "anti-Beatles" (a title created in-house by Stones PR)


Oh god yes, I've listened to Arthur and The Who Sell Out a thousand times.
The Kinks - Arthur (Full Album) 1969
Youtube K4-KVeaVsuM
 
2017-06-17 02:41:23 PM  

Dr.Fey: Dark Side of the Moon.

/It's just solid real music, and doesn't have all the random strange talking and silly sound effects that fill all the dead spaces on Sgt. Pepper or Pet Sounds.


You mean like ticking clocks and cash registers?
 
2017-06-17 02:42:41 PM  
The one with Bushmen
 
2017-06-17 02:44:18 PM  
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2017-06-17 02:49:20 PM  

b0rg9: [YouTube video]
Beach Boys at their finest.


That was farking hilarious!!
 
2017-06-17 03:00:25 PM  
Pet Sounds came out in 1966, but if we're going for the best album of 1967, I'm surprised nobody mentioned this masterpiece:

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2017-06-17 03:02:06 PM  

Uzzah: ZAZ: Reading about Pet Sounds it seems to be like Citizen Kane, a good work that is best appreciated if you had been listening to what came before it. Or didn't come before it. By the time I was musically aware the Beach Boys were already old.  (I'm a little younger than Pet Sounds.)

Let's look at it this way: Pet Sounds is a Fredrick Edwin Church painting.

[img.fark.net image 850x578]

Sgt. Pepper's is Picasso's "Guernica"

[img.fark.net image 850x369]

Sometimes you want to be challenged by music and want to work at listening to it to decipher what is going on. Sometimes you just want to relax and just let beauty wash over you. One isn't necessarily better or worse than the other, they just do different things. Horses for courses.


I'm not sure what either of those things are.

Could you put it in terms of reality TV shows instead?
 
2017-06-17 03:10:37 PM  
Beatles>Stones>Kinks
 
2017-06-17 03:10:47 PM  
Pet Sounds is a great album which is not only not the best album 50 years or older, it's not even the best album released on May 16, 1966.
 
2017-06-17 03:15:20 PM  

Stupid Guitar: The_Philosopher_King: [img.fark.net image 420x414]
[img.fark.net image 500x508]
[img.fark.net image 300x300]
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Let's face it. 1967 was a hell of a year for music. Including this debut. (Not my fav of hers)


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You should go ahead and throw this gem on to the pile:
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And I'm adding this, dammit:

i.ebayimg.com
 
2017-06-17 03:15:21 PM  
Silver Apples - Silver Apples (Full Album)
Youtube wLc3gkVj4LQ
 
2017-06-17 03:16:38 PM  
i.imgur.com

That is all.
 
2017-06-17 03:17:16 PM  
Oh, and Their Satanic Majesties Request  doesn't even crack the top ten Stones albums.
 
2017-06-17 03:20:56 PM  
I guess Pet Sounds has to be judged from the 60's. As I have listened to it several times and not been impressed.  At least the Beatles were experimenting with new sounds and production techniques.

I think Sgt Peppers holds up much better 50 years later.
 
2017-06-17 03:24:47 PM  

Stupid Guitar: You should go ahead and throw this gem on to the pile:


Saw them at PsychFest (Levitation) in 2015. Talk about a flashback!
 
2017-06-17 03:43:13 PM  
This is why eliminating the Music tab was a good idea, quit hating what I like.
 
2017-06-17 03:49:58 PM  

Burn_The_Plows: Pet Sounds came out in 1966, but if we're going for the best album of 1967, I'm surprised nobody mentioned this masterpiece:

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Great, great album. Impossible to listen to without playing the "what if" game...
 
2017-06-17 03:56:33 PM  

Maynotlast: moothemagiccow: Aside from a few absolute knockout songs, Pet Sounds is a pretty dull album. Caroline No was revolutionary for the Beach Boys, but not for rock. Beatles were doing stuff like that years before.

EXACTLY THIS!!  I'm sorry, but I've never bought into the "Pet Sounds" mythos.  It was a BRILLIANT Beach Boys album but barely above-average compared to everything else going on in rock.


//THE ROLLING STONES SUCK

2 for 2 !!  Why do the Rolling Stones even exist?  The Animals were a better R&B band, the Who were better musicians, and the Kinks were better songwriters.  I guess somebody had to be the "anti-Beatles" (a title created in-house by Stones PR)


1. Animals  never got past We Gotta Get Outta This Place, while at the same time Stones were morphing R&B into Rock with Satisfaction. Everybody in the Stones was/is much more able to adapt to and embrace other forms of music - especially the rhythm section.  When they want to, they STILL can play the blues as nasty as anyone - note "Blue and Lonesome"
2  The Who better musicians? MAYBE (I love 'oo btw) But the Stones are a better BAND  - deep in his heart, even Pete knows that.
3. Ah yes, Mr Pretentious himself, Ray Davies..  Mick and Keith were smart enough to never get caught in that trap - instinctively knowing from the start, that the best 'concept'   is to have 9/10/11 songs that have  great ideas of there own - both musically and lyrically.  A song like Rocks Off on EOMS has more real meaning than 99.99999% of so-called 'concept' albums - and rocks like Hell:

 The sunshine bores the daylights out of me/chasing shadows moonlight mysteries/Headin for an overload/she splattered on the dirty road/kick me like you kicked before/I can't even feel the pain no morrre

And they been doing it for 50 years....THAT'S why they exist - Andrew Oldham unwittingly got right at the start: "The Rolling Stones aren't just a band...they are a way of life."
 
2017-06-17 04:15:16 PM  
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2017-06-17 04:20:56 PM  
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2017-06-17 04:41:21 PM  
Electric Music For the Mind and Body by Country Joe and the Fish tops this list for me.
 
2017-06-17 04:58:45 PM  

Straight Outta Wells Branch: C'mon Subby. Their Satanic Majesties Request isn't even the best Stones album. That's Sticky Fingers. Everyone knows that.

And don't you start with your Exile On Main Street crap again.

Also, with respect to the actual article. Sgt. Pepper > Pet Sounds.


Nope, Let it Bleed.
 
2017-06-17 05:34:27 PM  
Just in the past few days, I started delving into the beach boys discography, and have gone from "They sucked but I like 'Good Vibrations' and a few songs from 'pet sounds'" to "dammit, they are absolutely underrated geniuses." Still not sold on  the early "surfing and cars" phase, but much like the early Beatles works, it's the sound of a clearly talented group honing the craft. "Today!" is their "For Sale", a break from the formula and the album hinting at things to come, and as such where things start to get interesting for me.
If it had been released upon creation, SMiLE would have easily been equal to Sgt Peppers, though being a very different kind of work, which is important to note. Taking the levels of experimentalism to different places, with more emphasis on mood and textures. As it stands, Smiley Smile, the lo-fi quickly made substitute is pretty freaking bold and groundbreaking, if not more so than its' more famous unfinished predecesor, with some fairly tripped out tracks like "She's Going Bald" easily being on par with the insanity of "I am The Walrus," and utterly unique mood-setting pieces like "Fall Breaks and Back to WInter" in which the bands' influence on far ranging bands like Mr Bungle, Dr Dog and High Llamas can be plainly heard.

Their later albums don't get enough credit also for holding some stunning gems. Fallin In Love, Til I Die, All I Wanna Do  Breakaway and Sail On Sailor are just a few of the brilliantly crafted works that have me hooked , and there's plenty more awaiting those willing to divest the time and effort into exploring this odd groups work.

(The quality is rough due to this being a bootlegged billion-generation home demo, but those vocals, wow.)
Brian & Dennis Wilson - Oh Lord
Youtube sSz1MlHYYS0
 
2017-06-17 05:37:31 PM  
Really great scene in Love & Mercy with Paul Dano as young Brian Wilson recording Pet Sounds.

Jimi Loved Sgt Pepper. Impressed the shiat out of the Beatles at this show
Jimi Hendrix Sgt Peppers
Youtube bMmhHBr7WDA


Hard to pick my favorite in general. If I go by what I'd listen to front to back then it's always Pet Sounds. There's only one song on Pepper that's better than anything on Pet Sounds (day in the life) ... unless we're talking about Joe Cocker bringing Little Help to life.

But those Beach Boys harmonies. Lovely
 
2017-06-17 05:37:50 PM  
Imaginativescreenname: Just in the past few days, I started delving into the beach boys discography, and have gone from "They sucked but I like 'Good Vibrations' and a few songs from 'pet sounds'" to "dammit, they are absolutely underrated geniuses." Still not sold on  the early "surfing and cars" phase, but much like the early Beatles works, it's the sound of a clearly talented group honing the craft. "Today!" is their "For Sale", a break from the formula and the album hinting at things to come, and as such where things start to get interesting for me.
If it had been released upon creation, SMiLE would have easily been equal to Sgt Peppers, though being a very different kind of work, which is important to note. Taking the levels of experimentalism to different places, with more emphasis on mood and textures. As it stands, Smiley Smile, the lo-fi quickly made substitute is pretty freaking bold and groundbreaking, if not more so than its' more famous unfinished predecesor, with some fairly tripped out tracks like "She's Going Bald" easily being on par with the insanity of "I am The Walrus," and utterly unique mood-setting pieces like "Fall Breaks and Back to WInter" in which the bands' influence on far ranging bands like THE RESIDENTS, Mr Bungle, Dr Dog and High Llamas can be plainly heard.

Their later albums don't get enough credit also for holding some stunning gems. Fallin In Love, Til I Die, All I Wanna Do  Breakaway and Sail On Sailor are just a few of the brilliantly crafted works that have me hooked , and there's plenty more awaiting those willing to divest the time and effort into exploring this odd groups work.

(The quality is rough due to this being a bootlegged billion-generation home demo, but those vocals, wow.)
[iFrame https://www.youtube.com/embed/sSz1MlHYYS0 - 480x270]


FTFM
 
2017-06-17 06:05:47 PM  
Pet Sounds is a peerless album by a band that doesn't mean much to me. Sgt. Pepper is an album that doesn't mean much to me by a peerless band.

Great albums from 1967:
Highway 61
Buffalo Springfield
Forever Changes
Moby Grape
Mixed Bag


The Who, the Kinks, and Pink Floyd would all be wise to wait a few years to join the conversation-- Who's Next, Muswell Hillbillies,and Dark Sideall came out in the 70s.
 
2017-06-17 06:17:02 PM  
Oh and the Stones' best album is definitely Beggars Banquet.
 
2017-06-17 06:17:59 PM  
Songs of Leonard Cohen
 
2017-06-17 06:23:51 PM  
Oh and the Stones' best album is definitely Beggars Banquet.

got to agree with that
 
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